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Maximal power.

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Hello, dear listener and welcome back to Maximum Power, the only Blake 7 podcast that doesn't have a special intro this episode because we got renewed during a continuity announcement.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Cole.

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I'm James.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Pete.

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I'm Peter.

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I'm Cy.

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And I'm Simon.

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But where's Mark?

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Oh, Mark's gone with Blake.

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I'm sure I'm sure everything will be perfectly all right then.

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No blank spots for Big Finish to fill in.

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Right, we've had a look at the BFI.

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We've had a look at the new series B, Blu-ray box set, but what we are doing this episode is the whole damn show.

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So from Earth to Aristo, from the System to Star One, from Sarin to Terminal, and from Xenon to Gouda Prime.

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We are covering the whole damn thing this episode.

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And to start off, I'd like to go back to our listener survey, and we're going to have a look at the character showdowns.

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So we're going to start with Blake versus Avon.

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He's got graphs, everyone.

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I've got graphs.

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But it's all right. clearing up.

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Now, I will say that, remember, we got 123 responses, and I was quite surprised by the convincing winner of this category, which I don't think the winner himself is not a surprise.

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It's Avon with 108 out of 123 votes.

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He shoots him with a big gun.

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Not controversial.

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Whose show is this?

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I was just wondering if anyone wanted to argue the case for Blake being better.

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Absolutely.

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Haven't we spent about 3 or 4 seasons working out that Avon's better than playing?

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Pretty much.

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Did we not have to have Blake in order to get Avon?

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If the show had just started straight out with just Avon, would it have been fine?

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Yeah, actually it would.

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Well, I was going to say that Blake's better in the way back where there is no Avon, but actually, I think Avon's better.

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Well, I think we can then leave that behind.

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That's a pretty foregone conclusion.

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And the next one is the Battle of the Pilots.

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It's Jenna versus Tarrant.

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Depends who's got the best hair.

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James, pretend you haven't already seen the graph. text is so small, I can't actually read it, darling.

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Who's your winner?

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Well, Jenna.

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Jenna.

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I'm going for Tarrant.

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So this is my choice of what I think people have said.

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What do you think people have said?

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Oh, I think people have said Jenna, but they're wrong.

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Right.

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Okay.

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Yeah, I think people have said Jenna, and they're absolutely right.

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Si?

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Jenna definitely out of the two.

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Looking at the comments we've had about Tarrant all the way through our polls, he's not as well liked as Jenna, so I think Jenna's going to get this.

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Right.

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Pete?

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I think well, I don't know.

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I think Tarrant might win it for his comedy value, and it does pick up in series four.

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D. Thank you.

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It's the Blu-ray.

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I kicked the habit.

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Blu-rays have made me slip again.

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But it's Jenna.

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Jenna is awesome.

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Yep, Anne Colin.

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I think probably Jenna would win it, but I mean, Tarrant crashed the Scorpio, right?

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Yeah, yeah.

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We're talking about pilots.

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Yeah.

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Okay, well, I don't think we're surprising anyone.

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It's Jenna with 87.

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So she doesn't have quite the convincing lead that Avon does, but it's still almost, it's still almost 3 quarters.

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It's a convincing picture. a convincing victory.

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No need for a recount.

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No slide.

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Anyone want to defend Tarrant there, although I think Colin said it brilliantly with, you know, Jenna didn't crash a ship.

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I think Terrence actually really great.

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He's a little bit annoying in series C, but I think in series D, Nathan, series D. I think he's actually a lot better.

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And as we all know, it takes Tarrant to fly a dead ship.

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Jen didn't get a chance to crash the liberator.

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She had to evacuate from it. moving on to our next one.

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And it was hard to choose who to put up against a villa, but I decided to put up against someone who I think is equally well loved.

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So it's Villa versus Dana.

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I thought you were going to say Villa versus George Spenton Foster.

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I was going for Villa versus Aurac.

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All right, does encourage Avan to kill it.

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Okay.

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And I'm not going to do a round-robin on this one because I don't think anyone's going to be surprised that Villa one.

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You know, Dana is like... is the best actor on the show.

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And really...

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, we love, obviously, we love Michael.

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He superb, but...

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Yeah, that was a tough one.

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And I did actually have some people on social media because it was kind of sent me messages saying, don't make me choose.

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But it's interesting, though, that it's, despite the fact that people are saying don't make me choose, that would have implied that it was going to be a tire to result.

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It's not.

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It's the same kind of thing.

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No, it's, yeah.

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It's Genevi Tarrant again, basically.

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Yeah, what they're basically saying is, of course, Villa's going to win, but Dane is pretty good.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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You know, Dana still gets a respectable 27 votes.

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That's -15 when she met Justin.

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Yes.

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That is a huge crack factor.

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We'll get to worst relationship later in the episode.

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And this next one was also controversial.

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I did have, um, I think it was friend of the podcast, Bob, sort of say to me, you're evil for this matchup.

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It's Cali versus Serverland.

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Yeah.

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There's really, like, what's the point?

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And you see, my, my, my logic here was just they are the 2 longest running women on the show, Kelly obviously has 36 episodes, and Silverland has 28.

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Okay.

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So just beating Jenna and Dana.

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It really should have been Servland versus Gan.

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Like we'll see a Gan landslide.

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That's how they seed things at Wimbledon.

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That's how he died.

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How many of those 30, how many episodes?

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36 episodes were her just sitting at the desk pressing button.

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Yeah, true, true.

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And does that include the episode where it's just a voiceover at the beginning of that rescue?

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No, actually. didn't include that.

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So we're up to we're up to 37.

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It's basically a woman who was hired and told she was going to be one of the female leads of this show versus the woman who became the lead of this show.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Even when she wasn't in it.

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Yes.

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Yeah. episodes that she's not in are still about her.

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Whenever Serverland is not on screen, everyone should be asking, where's Serverland?

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I've got that.

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We do.

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We do.

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Right.

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So it's Servoland with 94 votes and Cali with 29.

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Well, you know, Kelly did respectably there, considering. and these are my 2 favourite female characters in the show.

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So, you know, I think that's a pretty respectable win for Cali against Serverland, considering.

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I agree, Si.

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And I think technically it's not.

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It's a, well, it's a pretty spectacular showing for Callie.

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Okay, server land then.

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It's a moral victory, really.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Cerlin is clearly the more iconic character, but I would like to sport Cali here because when I think back on my childhood and how much I loved Blake 7 and series C in particular, the indelible memory.

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Calli.

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Yeah.

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There's that setup.

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We'll talk about it later, won't we?

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Where those 2 Callie and Ava are the adults.

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Yeah.

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There's also, she gets some, it's really startout episodes like children of our Ron and sarcophagus where it's really, really just about Calli and you get to shine as much.

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I don't think many of the characters get such episodes singularly devoted to them in that way.

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And also, of course, they don't actually interact very often, but there is that wonderful scene in power play, the beachy scene on board the hospital ship, and also one of my favourite comedy Blake 7 moments ever, when Servoland teleports aboard the Liberator in Harvest of Cairos with Captain Chad, I think it is.

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And Callie's there, very sour-faced, having operated the teleport and Servilant Turner and says, ah, Kelly, how lovely to see you again.

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Now, speaking of lovely to see them again, we have 2 characters who bookend the series, Gan versus Zulen.

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Does anyone think Gan won?

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No.

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Did he get a vote?

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Gan did get votes.

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Okay.

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Gan did get votes.

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Was it for his hair extension?

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Pete doesn't even know who he is.

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I've learned that now though.

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The convention footage on the series A, Blu-ray, fortunately, does not include me making humiliating myself by asking somebody who he was while he was.

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I'm very pleased that wasn't captured on camera and probably so.

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That anecdote just coming up in the life of David Jackson.

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Mentary.

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So that's the crux of the whole thing.

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Well, with 22 votes, presumably from all the people who think that Pete is evil for not recognising David Jackson, Gan has 22 votes versus Su Lin's 101.

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So Gan is in, oh, 17 episodes to Sue Lynn's, 13, and arguably, it takes them longer to find Sue Lynn's character.

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I mean, they find Gan's character very early on and then go, oh yeah, that's it.

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I wish they hadn't.

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They kind of lose it, don't they?

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They find it and then lose it.

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That's the other way around for Zulin.

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Also, looking at those results, cut to Glynis Barber, saying fairly obvious from where I'm staying.

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Can I just observe that that pie chart kind of reflects the last federal election?

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I was just going to say, Brendan, I'm a little disappointed it's not a gant chart.

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Oh, very good.

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I don't know what that is You're lucky, lucky man.

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I will say a realisation I had this week is Gan's defining feature.

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His defining characteristic is that he can't kill anyone, whereas Sulin's defining feature is try and stop her killing people.

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And it just, it kind of shows where the show goes.

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Like the show starts with, if our characters have to kill someone, they'll morally question it and what have you.

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And then in series D, it's like Dana's like, oh, this gun's great.

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It's got micro grenades.

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I'm gonna go half, you know.

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The thing with that, I think why we've ended up with the characters. you know, the A versus B characters where they are, the possible exception of Villa versus Dana, because that's just grossly unfair.

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Yeah. is that as a rule, the ones that were losing and losing by a substantial margin are ones where I find, as a rule, I'm just waiting for the scenes that they're in to be over.

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Whereas, whereas the ones, the ones that they aren't in, the ones that the winners are in, as a rule, apart from Jenna and Tarant, because they're the other way around for me.

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I really enjoy watching them.

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Yeah, fair enough. there you go.

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Yeah, makes sense.

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Good metric.

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Okay.

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Travis versus Travis.

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What, Rada, Travis and EastEnders, Travis, right?

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Rather Travis, adding steps, Travis.

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Yes, what about slaves, Travis?

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V Lorimer.

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Lex Travis, I did have way back in the series A, retrospect, too.

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Gets less character than Gan, really.

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Few lines.

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Yeah.

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My brother's name's Travis.

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I don't know if I had mentioned that, but that was a source of great amusement to me when I was a child.

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How have you gone 4 seasons without mentioning that?

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Oh, my mum was called Serverland, did I not mention that?

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He also has a bear called a Korean.

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Well, Nathan, I regret to inform you that your brother didn't get any votes.

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Really?

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It looks like you got all of them.

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We have almost a clean 75, 25% split.

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It's actually 75.6 and 24.4.

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Poor Brian Croucher.

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If he gets 30 votes, so do all of you.

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I'm going to speak in his defence.

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I 2nd that.

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Give it the word.

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The word.

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Because he just gets more to do and has a more interesting kind of character arc, whereas once his face just sort of comes in as just terribly posh and stuff and barely raises an eyebrow. whereas Krautus Travis has this whole trajectory that he's on and it's...

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Again, I'm waiting for the scenes with Rada Travis to be over, whereas Brian Croucher.

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I enjoy.

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Yeah, only one of them can say cremos, probably.

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I think Travis, the Travis character needs to be an EastEnders, Travis, rather than the rat.

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I think you never quite know what Brian Crouch is going to do, whereas Stephen Griff is sort of always consistent, whereas Brian Croucher could go completely from being still and silent and quiet in something like trial to hostage his next episode where he's over the top and shouting and ranting.

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So it's a, it's a really dangerous version of the character, I think, rather than Grife's more steady version.

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Not to mention voice from the past.

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We never mention poison.

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Never done that episode.

235
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Right.

236
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Moving on to your metal and plastic friends who are fun to be with, we have a three-way showdown for the computers.

237
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Oh, this is sad.

238
00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:34.620
Yeah, Zen Aurak slave.

239
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I'm very worried about that slither and colour that I see.

240
00:14:38.220 --> 00:14:42.720
You're very worried about the one of these computers you've got 2 votes.

241
00:14:42.779 --> 00:14:44.820
Oh, is it a sliver of slaves?

242
00:14:44.940 --> 00:14:49.019
Oh, I'm very sorry I only got 2 votes, sir.

243
00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:50.639
Yes, it is late.

244
00:14:50.700 --> 00:14:51.720
I would be into that.

245
00:14:54.779 --> 00:14:56.159
Yes.

246
00:14:56.700 --> 00:15:13.980
Now, look, Valiant Effort, especially by Peter Tottenham, to give us, you know, such a different performance that it's still not immediately obvious that he's talking to himself occasionally, you know, but, yeah, it's like the ship is sort of cut price liberator.

247
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He's cut price in.

248
00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:19.259
I actually think he's more interesting again than Zen.

249
00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:31.379
Like Zen is a little bit more, like, you know, he's mysterious and annoying in all of those kinds of things and he only helps out when it, you know, won't ruin the plot.

250
00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:47.580
Whereas slave is, you know, like his camper and Celia, it's that sort of thing that we say about series four. which is that, you know, it's trying to be less camp and just absolutely failing at that.

251
00:15:47.580 --> 00:15:50.519
And slave is absolutely that.

252
00:15:50.580 --> 00:15:51.840
He's wonderful, I think.

253
00:15:51.899 --> 00:15:54.299
It's Servland versus Cali again.

254
00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:58.080
Zen is iconic, but I have a vast soft spot for slave.

255
00:15:58.139 --> 00:15:58.679
Yeah.

256
00:15:58.740 --> 00:16:00.779
And the prop is great too.

257
00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:01.860
Yeah.

258
00:16:01.860 --> 00:16:03.000
Prop's brilliant.

259
00:16:03.059 --> 00:16:03.299
Yeah.

260
00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:04.379
Right.

261
00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:06.480
So that leaves us with our other 2 computers.

262
00:16:06.659 --> 00:16:11.759
Zen commands a very respectable 48 votes.

263
00:16:11.820 --> 00:16:12.539
Oh, confirmed.

264
00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:13.320
Confirmed.

265
00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:18.779
While Aurak lands with 73.

266
00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:23.159
Well, a statement of fact cannot be insolent.

267
00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:28.740
But by the way, Aurak is the only one that survives the series.

268
00:16:28.799 --> 00:16:33.899
He's just in that fucking forest down the road, just sitting there gathering dust for the last time.

269
00:16:34.019 --> 00:16:35.340
They're being pissed on by rules.

270
00:16:37.620 --> 00:16:45.240
Paul Darrow's post-series novel Lucifer does actually have Avon going back for Aurak after 20 years.

271
00:16:45.299 --> 00:16:52.860
And this isn't the exact line, but it's something to the effect of he switches Aurac on and the 1st line is, well, you took your fucking time.

272
00:16:55.080 --> 00:17:00.240
Orac also very aggrieved that Blake took a leak on the tree that he is under.

273
00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:02.879
So he was Welsh.

274
00:17:02.940 --> 00:17:03.600
Well.

275
00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:09.299
Now, um, 2 ships that are decidedly not Welsh.

276
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Liberator and Scorpio.

277
00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:12.839
Well, that's easy.

278
00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:16.980
Is anyone going to speak up for Scorpio?

279
00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:17.460
No.

280
00:17:19.500 --> 00:17:24.299
Just in the context that just like Slave, Scorpio, I think, is what the show needs.

281
00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:32.579
I mean, you start a season series D and it's all. you know, all those lovely, wonderful things have gone, but ultimately they wanted to do something different and it does that.

282
00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:35.279
But yeah, it's a crapship is the whole point.

283
00:17:35.339 --> 00:17:37.380
So obviously, I like the ship. not crap.

284
00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:39.119
But it's kind of a crap crap ship.

285
00:17:39.180 --> 00:17:40.380
It's the problem. isn't it?

286
00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:41.039
You know what I mean?

287
00:17:41.579 --> 00:17:43.859
It's not the Nostromo.

288
00:17:43.920 --> 00:17:46.740
No, it's the Timu Maleleia.

289
00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:47.640
Not the nostro.

290
00:17:47.700 --> 00:17:48.000
Oh, no.

291
00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:50.940
There needs to be a mess in there.

292
00:17:51.059 --> 00:17:51.960
Do you know what I mean?

293
00:17:52.019 --> 00:17:52.980
that's the problem.

294
00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:54.240
The set is so boring.

295
00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:55.680
It's too clean.

296
00:17:55.799 --> 00:17:57.900
Yeah, there isn't even any clutter.

297
00:17:57.960 --> 00:17:59.460
It's got BBC micros.

298
00:17:59.700 --> 00:18:02.160
It's got BBC micros.

299
00:18:02.220 --> 00:18:03.119
Yeah, that is cool.

300
00:18:03.180 --> 00:18:09.720
But during the final crash scene, you're reminding me now, where Terence desk starts rolling across the floor.

301
00:18:09.779 --> 00:18:15.299
We're supposed to think that it means the ship's falling apart, but it just emphasises that it's a little desk on wheel.

302
00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:20.940
But I mean, they were in the Liberator as well, weren't they?

303
00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:23.039
The whole liberator, things were all in cast.

304
00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:23.819
It was on wheels.

305
00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:27.539
Yeah, it's just, I think the model of Scorpio is great.

306
00:18:27.599 --> 00:18:34.380
It's just the set inside is just a bit too static and gray and maybe it's not quite as interesting.

307
00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:42.900
It's getting more 80s, you know, it feels like this, you know, it was they were trying to make an 80s Volvo instead of a 70s jag or something like that.

308
00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:50.160
And I like the way I, you know, the idea that they used to have this amazing spaceship and now they've got a shared spaceship.

309
00:18:50.220 --> 00:18:53.640
But I don't think, as you perhaps we're saying, it's like, it's not shit enough.

310
00:18:53.700 --> 00:19:03.960
It's like it should be making their lives terrible all the time because it's just an old banger, but it kind of looks kind of slightly modern inside, you know, where they try to put computers in and stuff like that.

311
00:19:04.019 --> 00:19:05.880
It should have been even more retro.

312
00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:07.079
Like an old trunk.

313
00:19:07.140 --> 00:19:09.420
It looks like it's made of colour bond.

314
00:19:09.480 --> 00:19:13.319
It also is the Python ship from Elite. anyway, which people know about.

315
00:19:13.380 --> 00:19:14.099
Yes.

316
00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:24.180
And also, I think that in any other series in the 1980s, if you'd had Scorpio and that teleport effect, and those teleport bracelets and slave and those guns, it would have been perfectly acceptable.

317
00:19:24.240 --> 00:19:32.640
It's only because we've had the liberator and those guns and those teleport bracelets and that teleport effect and Zen that it pales in comparison.

318
00:19:33.059 --> 00:19:34.440
Cool.

319
00:19:34.619 --> 00:19:38.819
I've just been looking over Brendan's shoulder at his at his pie graph.

320
00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:41.940
And it's coloured blue and red.

321
00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:46.259
And Scorpio's section looks a little like Scorpio.

322
00:19:46.319 --> 00:19:47.160
It does actually.

323
00:19:47.220 --> 00:19:51.059
It's a little tiny wedge. a triangle.

324
00:19:51.240 --> 00:20:03.240
Red triangle. representing 11 of our listeners who would also engage in a spirited defence of Scorpio, as several people here have not very well stuffed, but beautifully mounted.

325
00:20:03.299 --> 00:20:06.180
They must have had Ford Scorpios as kids.

326
00:20:06.900 --> 00:20:14.700
But you can kind of see why they went in that direction because you've got you've got the teleport bay in the bridge area.

327
00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:18.900
You don't have to they don't have to go to a separate room, which is completely unnecessary in the liberator.

328
00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:20.220
Like you're just having to have more standing sets.

329
00:20:20.279 --> 00:20:23.880
Well, in fact, they're using that space for the Xenon base.

330
00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:24.299
Exactly.

331
00:20:24.359 --> 00:20:25.980
But then they barely use that.

332
00:20:26.339 --> 00:20:26.759
They stop.

333
00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:29.700
Yeah, then they realise, oh, we're not going to really use...

334
00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:30.299
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

335
00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:36.000
All the money they wasted on those plastic plants they could have spent on Scorpio, yeah.

336
00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:39.480
Now that leaves the liberator with 112.

337
00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:44.519
If anyone would like to say something for the liberator, please do, but I think we have.

338
00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:45.720
I want to remind you all.

339
00:20:45.779 --> 00:20:50.160
I want to remind you all that Clive James called it a tasteless light fitting.

340
00:20:50.460 --> 00:20:56.279
I think Clive James tastes the slight fitting. don't think he's entirely wrong.

341
00:20:59.099 --> 00:21:01.980
Moving on behind the scenes.

342
00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:21.599
Our 1st behind the scenes showdown is for writers, and don't worry, I haven't done every single writer, just the 2 who arguably shape the show the most, and it's Terry Nation versus Chris Boucher, and I would like to do a quick round to see who you think our audience has voted for Si.

343
00:21:21.660 --> 00:21:22.680
Chris Boucher.

344
00:21:22.740 --> 00:21:23.759
Okay, Pete?

345
00:21:23.819 --> 00:21:24.539
Boucher.

346
00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:25.920
Chris Boucher.

347
00:21:25.980 --> 00:21:26.279
James.

348
00:21:26.339 --> 00:21:29.099
Unfortunately, Brendan turned over his phone, so I can't actually tell you.

349
00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:31.380
I think it's crispy.

350
00:21:31.380 --> 00:21:32.519
Right, Nathan.

351
00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:33.720
Bob Holmes.

352
00:21:33.720 --> 00:21:35.039
Sure.

353
00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:38.940
I think the audience have voted for Terry Nation.

354
00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:39.839
Oh okay.

355
00:21:39.900 --> 00:21:40.559
Pete.

356
00:21:40.619 --> 00:21:56.220
I think the audience voted for Chris Boucher, but let me just say, it should be Terry Nation, because while this program would be half a quarter of the program that it is without Chris Boucher, Terry Nation gives us the show, and he sets it up well.

357
00:21:56.220 --> 00:22:02.099
And when he writes for it at his peak in things like aftermath and power play, it is as good as Blake 7 ever was.

358
00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:03.900
Yeah, very well said.

359
00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:06.359
Well, I think it's true because he has help.

360
00:22:06.420 --> 00:22:08.819
He has a filter and the filter is called Chris Boucher.

361
00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:09.839
That is also...

362
00:22:09.900 --> 00:22:12.420
I mean, survivors exist, isn't it?

363
00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:13.319
Yeah, yeah.

364
00:22:13.500 --> 00:22:15.359
And the remake.

365
00:22:16.019 --> 00:22:19.740
The score is 19 versus 104.

366
00:22:19.980 --> 00:22:22.500
And the winner is Chris Boucher.

367
00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:23.519
Wow, okay.

368
00:22:23.579 --> 00:22:24.240
Yeah.

369
00:22:24.299 --> 00:22:28.200
But, you know, I think those 19 people who voted for Terry Nation, have a point.

370
00:22:28.259 --> 00:22:30.660
Now, listeners are all nerds, aren't they?

371
00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:33.599
They are staying to the very end of the closing credits.

372
00:22:34.740 --> 00:22:37.619
Just to push back on Peter's point, though.

373
00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:40.140
I think that I can't help myself.

374
00:22:40.259 --> 00:22:42.240
And because it's right.

375
00:22:42.299 --> 00:22:57.240
I get what you're saying that, Terry, but also I think that he demonstrates in too many other episodes that he can be a writer who kind of has his ideas and that's all he has and he doesn't extend himself very much.

376
00:22:57.299 --> 00:23:06.299
There's, I think there's too many episodes in series A, um, and others listed elsewhere that are just kind of the, amongst the most unremarkable.

377
00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:09.900
I mean, yeah, I do agree. unremarkable.

378
00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:10.859
Let me that's different.

379
00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:20.759
Let me push back on that slightly, though, and say yes, there are a few episodes in the series A, but when Terry Nation has to provide the same number of episodes that Chris Boucher does per season.

380
00:23:20.819 --> 00:23:28.619
We get the aforementioned aftermath power plan terminal, and also redemption, pressure point, and countdown, which are all really great episodes.

381
00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:29.099
Yeah.

382
00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:30.119
Yeah.

383
00:23:30.180 --> 00:23:36.180
No, like I was going to make the same point, but in the opposite direction, which is that he's writing a whole season.

384
00:23:38.279 --> 00:23:40.859
And quickly figures out that's a bad idea.

385
00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:41.220
Yeah.

386
00:23:41.220 --> 00:23:43.559
But that was a bad idea.

387
00:23:43.619 --> 00:23:50.940
That should have been foreseen as a bad idea before they even started. the only way that it was going to be made because they didn't have the budget and they said you have to write the entire season.

388
00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:51.599
Right.

389
00:23:51.660 --> 00:23:53.339
And he gets a less of a fee per episode or something.

390
00:23:53.460 --> 00:23:56.460
But I think series D, Mrs. Terry Nation.

391
00:23:56.519 --> 00:23:57.359
Oh, absolutely.

392
00:23:57.359 --> 00:23:58.500
Steady hand.

393
00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:10.440
Chris Boucher is good and is guiding it, but I think sometimes we just need that terry nation fun romp episode that we don't quite get.

394
00:24:10.500 --> 00:24:13.740
There's too much at the start that feels a bit off.

395
00:24:13.799 --> 00:24:28.559
And I think if Terry Nation had been there, we'd have had a steadier hand setting this series up, Chris Boucher does it really well, but I think Terry Nation is the master of the setup and run and then leaving other people to play with his toys.

396
00:24:28.619 --> 00:24:41.099
It really needed that thing that Terry Nation does where he comes in, the show's lost its male and female lead, and he completely retools it and makes it something different and something that works incredibly well.

397
00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:51.720
He have voucher introducing the kind of pylene 50 thing and stuff and none of that's anywhere near as interesting as the retooling that's done between series 2 and three.

398
00:24:51.960 --> 00:25:00.299
You know, I said on our series D, retrospective, that series D, Mrs. Terry Nation's clarity of storytelling.

399
00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:06.900
And I just think if we'd had a couple of really great terrination romps in that season, it would easily be the equal of any other season.

400
00:25:07.079 --> 00:25:11.759
Just so long as they he didn't get the slot reserved for animals, actually.

401
00:25:11.940 --> 00:25:13.500
No, no.

402
00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:17.519
If he got the slot reserved for animals, we would have had a countdown or redemption.

403
00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:18.480
Yeah, not animals.

404
00:25:18.539 --> 00:25:19.259
Yeah.

405
00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:25.200
Our final matchup, and it's our last behind the scenes category as well.

406
00:25:25.259 --> 00:25:28.019
It's David Maloney versus Via Lorimer.

407
00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:29.339
Oh, dear, dear.

408
00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:34.740
And I just want to preface this by saying, I think they both do the absolute best job.

409
00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:35.339
They can.

410
00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:42.359
They both care about the series. and sorry, I don't think Via Lorma does the best job with that.

411
00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:44.819
Maybe he does though.

412
00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:53.279
Hey, Surverland walks somewhat briskly away from Dana with a gun in assassin.

413
00:25:53.339 --> 00:25:53.819
What do you mean?

414
00:25:54.960 --> 00:26:08.579
So anyway, we have Via Lorrimer with 25 votes and David Maloney with 98, which roughly it almost breaks down to how many episodes they produce as well.

415
00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:09.480
You know.

416
00:26:09.539 --> 00:26:17.819
So I think it comes down to whether people love the series D vision or love the vision of the 1st 3 series.

417
00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:32.160
It's a hard job coming into a series that's already set up and where you've destroyed everything that is the setup of the series at the end of what you think is your final episode and someone's got to come in.

418
00:26:32.220 --> 00:26:34.200
David Maloney isn't available.

419
00:26:34.259 --> 00:26:36.660
And so Via Lorimer steps in.

420
00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:41.640
He's someone who's been with the series from the start, so he does know what he's doing.

421
00:26:41.700 --> 00:26:50.759
But, you know, he makes some good decisions, I think, to make the show sort of somewhat different to what's gone before and that's that's absolutely fine.

422
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:54.960
So, you know, he's just got a really tricky job to do.

423
00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:57.359
Yes, absolutely.

424
00:26:57.420 --> 00:26:57.960
Yeah.

425
00:26:58.019 --> 00:27:13.799
I will point out that both David Maloney and Violorma had a similar approach to costuming, because there is the story that June Hudson tells of, I think, the Michelin men in Silla, where she showed the designs to David Maloney, and he roared with laughter for about 20 seconds and went, oh, go on then.

426
00:27:14.099 --> 00:27:22.079
And then there is the separate story of when Stratford John's turned up at Via Lorimo's office and said, darling, look at what they've put me in.

427
00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:24.299
And Via said, darling, it's lovely.

428
00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:26.640
And he said, okay, just for you, darling.

429
00:27:29.220 --> 00:27:31.859
Please in the butchers, people.

430
00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:34.440
I better go near a television studio.

431
00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:37.559
That was the right decision.

432
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:38.819
The killer.

433
00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:40.319
It was.

434
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:41.279
Yes it was.

435
00:27:41.339 --> 00:27:45.720
I didn't really have much of an answer on this, so I just asked ChatGPT.

436
00:27:45.779 --> 00:27:47.759
I don't care about its answer.

437
00:27:47.819 --> 00:27:50.279
The correct answer is Mary Rich.

438
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:54.779
Oh, that I think she would have been an excellent choice.

439
00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:58.440
I don't know if she ever produced anything, but she's such a good director. that.

440
00:27:58.920 --> 00:27:59.579
Oh, sorry, sorry.

441
00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:01.079
Well, in that case, I fucked up the question.

442
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:05.640
No, no, I think that's fine.

443
00:28:05.700 --> 00:28:06.359
No, I have.

444
00:28:06.420 --> 00:28:07.319
I quit.

445
00:28:07.380 --> 00:28:07.680
Sorry.

446
00:28:07.740 --> 00:28:08.160
Sorry.

447
00:28:08.220 --> 00:28:10.200
Chat GPT's like, Mary Ridge.

448
00:28:10.259 --> 00:28:11.099
Why not?

449
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:14.700
No, I think she could have been a great choice.

450
00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:19.859
You know, it's like I look at I look at Doctor Who. and kind of go, Graham Harper would have been a great producer.

451
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:21.180
You know.

452
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:23.279
Thank you for rescuing me on this topic.

453
00:28:24.420 --> 00:28:27.720
It could have been terminal, but we rescued.

454
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:31.079
Take a drink.

455
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:40.440
Now, that brings us to the question of favourite cruise.

456
00:28:40.500 --> 00:28:45.420
And that is, Cruise, C-R-E-W-S, Space Princess.

457
00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:47.460
Not, not, um...

458
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:47.819
No.

459
00:28:48.059 --> 00:28:50.640
Now I split this up into five.

460
00:28:50.700 --> 00:28:57.720
So we have the series A crew, which is Blake, Jenner, Avon Villa, Cali, Gan, and Zen.

461
00:28:57.779 --> 00:29:22.019
We have series B dash one, Blake, Jenner, Avon Villa, Cali, Gan, Zen, and Aurak. series B dash 2, Blake Jenner, Avon Villa, Cali, Zenanorak, series C, Avon Villa, Cali, Dana, Tarrant, Aurak, Zen, and series D, Avon Villa, Dana, Tarrant, Sulin, Aurak, Slave.

462
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:23.640
Wait, what was the middle one again?

463
00:29:26.700 --> 00:29:27.839
French toast.

464
00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:31.079
Well, it's C, isn't it?

465
00:29:31.140 --> 00:29:32.339
Absolutely seriously.

466
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:33.420
Yes, it is, absolutely.

467
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:34.559
Stop looking at the graph.

468
00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:36.660
Is that green?

469
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:38.039
No, okay.

470
00:29:38.099 --> 00:29:39.420
What do you want to know?

471
00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:41.579
I am so confused.

472
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:43.259
There's two...

473
00:29:43.259 --> 00:29:49.500
Everyone, then get Aurak, then lose Gan, then lose...

474
00:29:49.500 --> 00:29:51.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

475
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:53.940
Then get some good ones in to replace them.

476
00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:56.039
Yeah, and then Glennis Barber.

477
00:29:56.099 --> 00:29:57.660
I thought Gavin told me dead.

478
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:00.000
I'm saying Lennis Palp is not one of liquid ones.

479
00:30:00.059 --> 00:30:15.420
Also, Poshba said, if they had changed Soulin for Ginka, serious D. If series D was split in half so that we had Sulin before anyone had figured out what to do with her and Sulin once she was good.

480
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:17.279
Yeah, that's interesting.

481
00:30:17.339 --> 00:30:23.519
D2 would be my winner, but I'm going with two.

482
00:30:23.579 --> 00:30:24.960
I want Jenna.

483
00:30:25.019 --> 00:30:32.940
Even though it means keeping Blake. personally would go with 2B to be or not 2B. But, yeah.

484
00:30:33.059 --> 00:30:34.740
Okay, I doubt that's one.

485
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:45.839
Do you know, Pete, I wrote a text story for the Blake 7 post mag in 1994. very long publication history.

486
00:30:45.900 --> 00:30:47.579
I have more.

487
00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:52.740
Unfortunately, they cancelled the issue that it was due to be in.

488
00:30:52.799 --> 00:31:03.960
Never got published, but you probably would have enjoyed it because it dealt with a slightly alternate universe in which Blake Lift Liberator and Tarrant joined, but Jenna never did.

489
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:05.279
Ah.

490
00:31:05.460 --> 00:31:07.980
Interesting. up my street.

491
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:09.660
Give her some good clots as well.

492
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:15.240
So, carrying on, Simon, who is your pick out of those crews?

493
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:20.279
Well, for me, I would go for serious C.

494
00:31:20.339 --> 00:31:31.319
Seriously, feels like the greatest lineup of Blake 7 because you've got Dana and you've got Cali together and I think that dynamic really works.

495
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:33.299
So, no, it's like we described it.

496
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:52.920
We've got the 2 grown ups looking after the kids who are all mucking around and it's just such a strong lineup of actors as well as characters and I think that's the one that feels most right to me despite series D being a real favourite because they were my original crew.

497
00:31:52.980 --> 00:31:56.819
But I just prefer Callie to Sulin.

498
00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:58.740
So, yeah, perfect.

499
00:31:58.799 --> 00:31:59.519
Yep.

500
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:00.240
Great.

501
00:32:00.299 --> 00:32:07.740
It's that sort of fantastic dynamic of having 2 newcomers and 3 old hands.

502
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:12.000
And it's the 1st time it's happened by the time it happens with Sooley and it's less remarkable.

503
00:32:12.059 --> 00:32:13.980
And I really like that.

504
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:20.940
And you know, whatever you say about the characters in Blake 7, it's mostly the actors performances, it's not really anything the writers are doing.

505
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:24.119
But it just emerges in series three, I think.

506
00:32:24.180 --> 00:32:31.619
But also, I think, which helped by the fact that it's the best set of episodes as well, I think. as a whole.

507
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:32.759
Yeah, absolutely.

508
00:32:32.819 --> 00:32:36.359
And also it allows dynamics which have been brewing to come to the fore.

509
00:32:36.420 --> 00:32:48.660
And so Avon and Kelly's relationship has never really, I mean, they've had a couple of episodes together, but it's never really been a strong one in series A and B. Series C, foregrounds it and they get some really great scenes together.

510
00:32:49.500 --> 00:32:56.759
I think also series C, there's always the possibility that Blake and Jenner might come back.

511
00:32:56.759 --> 00:32:59.039
In series D, Kelly is dead.

512
00:32:59.099 --> 00:33:00.839
Kelly's not coming back.

513
00:33:00.900 --> 00:33:19.440
So if you really loved Cali and series D comes along that, you know, that may be a step too far for you, whereas if you really love Jenna and Blake, and they're mentioned in the 1st couple of episodes, oh, maybe we'll see them again, you know, and you keep watching and you learn and you grow to love these new characters, but you grow to love Dana.

514
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:24.119
But to be honest, a lot of people love Cali and no one loved Blake.

515
00:33:24.180 --> 00:33:24.480
Yeah.

516
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:28.619
Right.

517
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:28.980
Okay.

518
00:33:29.099 --> 00:33:31.440
So just going round the room.

519
00:33:31.500 --> 00:33:32.279
I'm in here.

520
00:33:32.339 --> 00:33:34.319
I'm in the series C cam.

521
00:33:34.380 --> 00:33:34.859
Siri C.

522
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:36.059
C.

523
00:33:36.059 --> 00:33:40.619
I want that to be an extra D. That sounds weird.

524
00:33:40.740 --> 00:33:43.140
You always say that.

525
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:45.420
So we can fit Dorian in.

526
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:46.619
Okay, okay.

527
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:48.000
Oh, yeah.

528
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:50.279
I'd actually go for sea as well.

529
00:33:50.339 --> 00:33:53.579
I kind of because I think those were the 1st ones I watched.

530
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:59.099
And what I'm going to do is go from the bottom of the list to the top.

531
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:04.799
So with 6 votes, it's series A. Dan's bringing them all down.

532
00:34:05.579 --> 00:34:08.280
Jumping up to 19 votes.

533
00:34:08.340 --> 00:34:18.000
So 3 times as many. and a bit is series D. Oh, yeah, more bullish on D than a lot of our listeners and a lot of fans.

534
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:22.500
Series B. 2nd set.

535
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:25.860
So just without Gan, gets 22 votes.

536
00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:30.300
And just ahead of that is series B one with Gan with 23 votes.

537
00:34:30.420 --> 00:34:32.699
That's miserable, isn't it?

538
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:33.719
That's so sad.

539
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:41.699
That is the ghost of David Jackson.

540
00:34:41.699 --> 00:34:43.920
Who cares whether the gang is alive or dead?

541
00:34:43.980 --> 00:34:44.579
No one.

542
00:34:44.579 --> 00:34:45.719
That one guy.

543
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:48.059
David Jackson.

544
00:34:50.099 --> 00:34:53.280
And that means we're 53 votes.

545
00:34:53.340 --> 00:34:54.719
It's series C.

546
00:34:54.780 --> 00:34:56.519
Yeah, the only logical choice.

547
00:34:56.579 --> 00:34:57.000
Yeah.

548
00:34:57.059 --> 00:35:00.840
Yep, I can totally, I can totally see why that is.

549
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:04.679
I still think they should have replaced Gan with decimers.

550
00:35:13.739 --> 00:35:19.860
Now, this is a suggestion made by, I think, Peter to talk about favourite episodes.

551
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:20.579
Oh, yeah.

552
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:20.880
Yes.

553
00:35:20.940 --> 00:35:21.539
Cool.

554
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:22.139
Oh, yes.

555
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:22.559
Yes.

556
00:35:22.860 --> 00:35:25.739
You're going to need a lot of colours on your pie chart for that.

557
00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:30.780
This sounds like a euphemism.

558
00:35:30.780 --> 00:35:33.599
This is just amongst ourselves.

559
00:35:33.659 --> 00:35:36.900
So this is everyone gets an even slice of the pie.

560
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:39.179
And I'm going to ask you first, Si.

561
00:35:39.300 --> 00:35:41.579
Okay, to me, there's no doubt.

562
00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:45.059
Terminal is the best episode of Blake 7.

563
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:56.099
It's got a sense of dread and doom throughout it that starts at the start where everything feels a bit off and ends with Avon smile, which feels justified.

564
00:35:56.159 --> 00:36:06.840
It's just an amazing piece of work that I loved from reading a synopsis of it right through to seeing it as the final episode of Blake 7 that I ever saw.

565
00:36:06.900 --> 00:36:10.440
So because I saw it in the wrong order, like we all do.

566
00:36:10.500 --> 00:36:13.500
And just when you think it can't get any better.

567
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:19.320
Jacqueline Pierce arrives for the last 10 minutes and steals the show from everyone else.

568
00:36:19.380 --> 00:36:26.340
And of course, she gets maximum power, which inspired the whole podcast name.

569
00:36:26.460 --> 00:36:31.860
So, you know, it's just absolutely the perfect end until they do another end.

570
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:34.320
So, yeah, another 2 pieces.

571
00:36:34.380 --> 00:36:38.760
So it sounds like you'd like to revise your choice of Chris Boucher to Terry Nation.

572
00:36:40.380 --> 00:36:42.300
No, he would.

573
00:36:42.300 --> 00:36:45.480
Okay, thank you.

574
00:36:45.539 --> 00:36:46.980
Great answer there for terminal.

575
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:48.119
Pete, you're up.

576
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:50.099
The best episode of Blake 7.

577
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:56.880
I mean, Blake 7 mainly is a series that enables fruity character actors to get to do amazing little turns once in a while, and on that basis alone.

578
00:36:57.179 --> 00:36:59.880
I'm sticking my flag in orbit.

579
00:37:00.300 --> 00:37:09.000
John Savidant as a glory and gives a performance that just reaches to the stars even while he is kept in a basement throughout the entire episode.

580
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:16.260
The word, and it's not, you can do fruity dialogue like that on autopilot, and it isn't at all.

581
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:26.159
Robert Holmes is, um, it, it's setting things up and the, like, and you know, obviously the power play between him and Servolan is, uh, is, is funny.

582
00:37:26.219 --> 00:37:33.659
She gets to, she, Jacqueline Pierce is clearly loving it. she loves everything, but particularly that her scenes with him.

583
00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:48.599
And there's the teasing of a villa between and him and Avon, sort of both teasing their relative apprentices, almost, and there's layers to that.

584
00:37:48.659 --> 00:37:52.199
Yeah, it's it's and it's dark and brutal.

585
00:37:52.260 --> 00:37:57.179
And then we've got the end scene, of course, which is, I think, the most dramatic moment of television.

586
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:01.380
That wasn't being melodramatically.

587
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:02.820
That wasn't a melodramatic.

588
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:04.739
I was just clarifying that I had finished my sentence.

589
00:38:06.780 --> 00:38:09.420
Oh, like the melodrama meta.

590
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:10.860
So, yeah.

591
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:16.199
Orbit very narrowly beating another episode by Robert Holmes that ends in bit to be my favourite episode.

592
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:18.719
Marvellous.

593
00:38:18.780 --> 00:38:19.199
Thank you.

594
00:38:19.500 --> 00:38:28.079
I think for me, because I really love bleak dystopian sci-fi. and I'm much more of a gun than a frock, I would say.

595
00:38:28.139 --> 00:38:39.420
Blake, for me, because I just think it ends the series where it should have ended it and it ended it to me in a way that most TV series don't end.

596
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:46.559
And whoever was saying they're still alive, Mark, I think, because he's not here, whatever, or Pete when we recorded it.

597
00:38:46.619 --> 00:38:48.239
They're all dead, by the way.

598
00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:51.059
No, I love it.

599
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:52.619
I think direction's fantastic at the end.

600
00:38:52.679 --> 00:39:04.860
I think terminal is probably a, you know, better constructed, um, story and I think Nathan, you said actually, also that Blake is a bit of a repeat of that, but I just think, because the ending is so brutal.

601
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:05.400
I love it.

602
00:39:05.460 --> 00:39:07.500
So, it's cool.

603
00:39:07.619 --> 00:39:08.340
Brilliant.

604
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:09.420
Thank you very much.

605
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:10.679
Thanks, got me to my TED talk.

606
00:39:11.219 --> 00:39:13.199
Your dead talk.

607
00:39:18.539 --> 00:39:21.480
That's a Travis 2 live delivery.

608
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:24.059
You're a dead talk.

609
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:26.280
James.

610
00:39:26.340 --> 00:39:31.440
Well, well, I was going to say cyclic a destroy.

611
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:34.920
I think I didn't mean it.

612
00:39:34.980 --> 00:39:36.420
No, I can't mean it.

613
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:36.780
No.

614
00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:37.679
No, no, no, no.

615
00:39:37.739 --> 00:39:43.559
No, for me, it's sick like head destroyed because I think that's where Blake 7 becomes Blake 7, at least for the first.

616
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:44.039
Yep.

617
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:49.559
You know, a couple of years of what it's formulated as before we retool it.

618
00:39:49.619 --> 00:39:51.539
It brings in Servoland.

619
00:39:51.599 --> 00:40:07.139
It brings in Travis, it brings in the revenge quest plot line, and it really kind of gives a structure to the end of the 1st season, which kicks it up a notch.

620
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:08.460
I agree.

621
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:18.539
I mean, I love the 1st 5 episodes, but cyclic cape destroyer just kind of feels like there's a huge new energy coming to the show from those 2 actors.

622
00:40:18.900 --> 00:40:20.280
Great.

623
00:40:20.340 --> 00:40:23.519
I did wonder if anyone was going to choose a series A episode.

624
00:40:23.579 --> 00:40:27.599
Not because series A is bad, but just because what happens later, but no, that's a great choice.

625
00:40:27.659 --> 00:40:29.159
So Siri is bad.

626
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:32.159
Tuesday is bad.

627
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:33.599
Kidding.

628
00:40:33.659 --> 00:40:35.099
I love series.

629
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:36.780
This is terry nation.

630
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:40.320
I think it secretly because James loves the robot.

631
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:43.559
Yeah, kissing fire.

632
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:47.579
Didn't we almost call our episode?

633
00:40:47.579 --> 00:40:49.500
Yes.

634
00:40:49.860 --> 00:40:52.380
Get an antibiotic for that kind.

635
00:40:52.739 --> 00:40:54.539
It's orange.

636
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:57.300
Peter.

637
00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:08.280
I think that the run of Star One, Aftermath and PowerPlay remains the best television, certainly the best genre television I have ever seen.

638
00:41:09.179 --> 00:41:17.159
I absolutely adore those episodes, but also I have a big soft spot for the children around, which I don't think gets nearly enough credit for being a great episode.

639
00:41:17.219 --> 00:41:18.599
Yeah.

640
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:23.760
If you, if you had to, if you had to pick one.

641
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:24.480
Aftermath.

642
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:25.079
Aftermath.

643
00:41:25.739 --> 00:41:30.659
I had a feeling you might say aftermath, just because what it does, how it reformats things.

644
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:31.019
Yeah.

645
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:33.539
Those were Peter's choices. felt them die.

646
00:41:34.139 --> 00:41:37.860
Off them off is so confident of reboot.

647
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:41.460
It's possibly the most confident episode of the whole series.

648
00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:55.739
It was the one I watched this morning before we did the recorded because it always feels like this is the start of something really exciting and yeah, you can see Terry Nation is really enjoying being back to do this.

649
00:41:55.800 --> 00:42:01.440
There are more great scenes in aftermath than in all of 1980s Doctor Who.

650
00:42:01.500 --> 00:42:03.599
That's a very big call.

651
00:42:03.659 --> 00:42:04.559
I know.

652
00:42:04.619 --> 00:42:06.179
Gasp.

653
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:07.199
So three.

654
00:42:11.219 --> 00:42:15.119
Okay, I just want to say one per doctor.

655
00:42:15.179 --> 00:42:20.159
The Australian contingent had dinner tonight before we recorded.

656
00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:27.480
And we all waxed lyrical, including Rod, waxed lyrical on Paradise Tower.

657
00:42:27.539 --> 00:42:28.320
That's true.

658
00:42:29.699 --> 00:42:32.159
Yeah, I wasn't.

659
00:42:33.539 --> 00:42:36.119
Yeah, Simon wishes to distance itself from that conversation.

660
00:42:36.179 --> 00:42:43.559
But I would point out the part we were praising the most was the cliffhanger where Mel is covered in a crocheted blanket and threatened with a toasting.

661
00:42:44.099 --> 00:42:47.340
Anyway, Simon.

662
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:52.619
Well, I said this as we were going through, but my favourite is Death Watch.

663
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:56.699
I think whilst it's not a perfect episode.

664
00:42:56.760 --> 00:43:00.960
I think it's the best distillation of Blake 7 at its best for me.

665
00:43:01.019 --> 00:43:04.500
It's got the right amount of camp with the right amount of action.

666
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:08.219
It's got the right amount of extra characters in it.

667
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:14.639
It feels like the galaxy is a big and interesting and diverse place with the different cultures that we're experiencing.

668
00:43:14.699 --> 00:43:20.219
It just really, really speaks to me as about, I think, what the series could have done more of.

669
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:30.960
I do want to give just other honourable mentions without going into detail, Horizon, a killer, aftermath power play, because thanks to the omnibus, video release.

670
00:43:31.019 --> 00:43:34.079
It is one episode, as Peter was kind of implying, and orbit, of course.

671
00:43:34.139 --> 00:43:47.579
And Simon, I think you said when we did our Death Watch podcast, you said to me privately that Death Watch is the most Blake 70 of Blake 7 episodes, which I then stole and said on the podcast 1st just to annoy you.

672
00:43:48.059 --> 00:43:50.760
Thank you for correcting that role.

673
00:43:50.820 --> 00:43:52.139
Still not forgiven.

674
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:54.960
That's great.

675
00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:56.039
Nathan.

676
00:43:56.099 --> 00:44:02.460
Well, I'm going to take up something that Simon just said, which is I'm going to vote for killer.

677
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:03.480
Wow.

678
00:44:03.539 --> 00:44:11.579
And look, partly I didn't want to trade it on everyone else's toes because I knew that we were doing this sort of round robin thing.

679
00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:23.639
So I wanted to pick something that might have been overlooked, but you've got Bob Holmes coming into a show and instantly nailing what's great about it and producing like a standout episode.

680
00:44:23.699 --> 00:44:25.679
And so it has all of the things.

681
00:44:25.739 --> 00:44:37.139
It has weird Blake 7, you know, the 61 Signi thing and the Terran ague and like a zombie coming to life and murdering a guy and then a plague breaking out.

682
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:44.760
Like it's that weird, terrifying Blake 7 that there's something before, before Terry Nation does it in terminal, I think.

683
00:44:44.820 --> 00:44:50.340
There's something terrifying out there that's unknowable and inimical to us.

684
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:52.380
I think that's incredible.

685
00:44:52.440 --> 00:45:03.599
I think it's got good things for Villa and Avon, you know, who are paired up, and then you've got Blake off with Dr. Belfriar, which I think is really great.

686
00:45:03.659 --> 00:45:05.579
All of these people are sort of experts.

687
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:07.980
The guest stars are really interesting.

688
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:10.320
Everything goes to hell.

689
00:45:10.380 --> 00:45:13.320
It's bleak and dark. everyone dies.

690
00:45:13.380 --> 00:45:26.579
That unforgettable moment when Bellfriar dies and goes, 0 my god, I've forgotten how to read and then puts his hands to his face and his hands are covered in blisters and and then the moral dilemma at the end.

691
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:29.820
You know, should we tell Silverland, or should we not?

692
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:36.900
And so it's got all of the elements that the show has. and they're just all kicked up a notch and all done incredibly well.

693
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:41.099
It's a normal episode of Blake 7, but I think it's one of the best normal episodes.

694
00:45:41.699 --> 00:45:48.719
That's weird because it leaves me completely and utterly cold and I don't understand why I don't like it.

695
00:45:48.780 --> 00:45:50.340
It's really bizarre.

696
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:52.139
That's because you caught the Terran Aiku.

697
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:53.159
It must be because you're wrong.

698
00:45:53.219 --> 00:45:55.079
I'm usually wrong.

699
00:45:55.800 --> 00:46:07.619
I mean, I think one of the reasons why I love it, and I'd suggest that basically all the episodes I suggested feel like they're slightly different, and I'm actually surprised that you really like killer that much because I'd have thought that'd be too bleak for you.

700
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:12.840
You'd like your Black 7, a little bit kind of stranger and...

701
00:46:12.900 --> 00:46:13.619
It's still zany.

702
00:46:13.739 --> 00:46:14.940
It's not zany.

703
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:17.760
Well, it's got Jean Hudson dressing everyone as con dogs.

704
00:46:17.820 --> 00:46:18.420
Yes, but...

705
00:46:18.659 --> 00:46:27.480
It's got a consistent world there and it's actually, it is that you said, it's quite bleak and it's also quite, one of the reasons I love it and I also love Horizon for the same reason.

706
00:46:27.539 --> 00:46:34.019
It has a feeling for me that it's being made by grown-ups who are taking it seriously and that is really great.

707
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:38.400
But I think Death Watch distils the nature of the show and what the shaper becomes better.

708
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:43.139
I also believe that Alan Pryor had the Taryn Agu.

709
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:43.980
Oh my god.

710
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:45.719
I've forgotten how to write.

711
00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:57.659
The one thing that lets it down, though, is that Blake explains the transmission of a virus to a virologist.

712
00:47:00.900 --> 00:47:03.599
That's a very Blake thing to do.

713
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:06.000
He knows.

714
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:11.280
I have to find, I say, it's probably one of the episodes where Blake is least annoying despite that.

715
00:47:11.340 --> 00:47:13.019
Yeah, despite the Blake explaining.

716
00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:14.820
Yes, but...

717
00:47:14.820 --> 00:47:16.619
Robert Holmes writes him very differently.

718
00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:22.980
Robert Holmes writes him with kind of a vernacular of the 20th century, which he doesn't have anywhere else.

719
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:24.780
He's doing that.

720
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:32.760
We're talking about sandwiches and Lord Jeffrey Ashley and stuff like that, sandwich, the 1st occurrence of the word sandwich and maybe the only one in Blake 7.

721
00:47:32.820 --> 00:47:39.239
Um, you know, because because Holmes is such a wordsmith and so interested in language.

722
00:47:39.300 --> 00:47:43.559
You know, I think I think it's just it's a perfect thing, that episode, I think.

723
00:47:43.980 --> 00:47:46.860
Thank you very much And how about you?

724
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:57.239
Well, killer was on my list and it's one of the ones that I didn't know much about before I watched it for the podcast, but my pick and Volcano.

725
00:47:57.900 --> 00:47:59.579
The robot.

726
00:47:59.579 --> 00:48:00.599
Correct series.

727
00:48:01.260 --> 00:48:08.039
But my pick is one that has just stayed with me ever since I watched it as a kid and it's sarcophagus.

728
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:08.880
Oh, wow.

729
00:48:08.940 --> 00:48:10.199
Oh good choice.

730
00:48:10.260 --> 00:48:10.860
Yes.

731
00:48:10.860 --> 00:48:14.940
And you know, I love a bottle show that's written well.

732
00:48:14.940 --> 00:48:18.300
I love the fact that it does interesting things with the characters.

733
00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:30.840
I love that it develops the Callie and Avon relationship in such a way that it doesn't really change it by the end of the episode and yet it tells you more about what they feel about each other than any other episode has.

734
00:48:30.900 --> 00:48:35.760
That fantastic scene at the start where Avon comes calling on Callie in her cabin.

735
00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:39.659
He says, that's why you've been in here for a week, just thinking about our on.

736
00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:41.400
And she says, I'm all right.

737
00:48:41.460 --> 00:48:43.260
He says, no, you're not, but you will be.

738
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:44.039
Yes.

739
00:48:44.099 --> 00:48:52.440
It's absolutely, and it's a rare opportunity for Paul Darrow to play vulnerable without losing any of his character strength.

740
00:48:52.500 --> 00:48:57.360
It's Avon being vulnerable to help Callie feel better.

741
00:48:57.420 --> 00:49:01.500
I wish I could tell you that the sparkling company on the flight tech would take you out of yourself.

742
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:03.539
Exactly.

743
00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:07.500
It's kind of like, okay, you know, I've been charming and nice now.

744
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:11.880
I have to insult someone in 30 seconds or I'm going to have an aneurism.

745
00:49:11.940 --> 00:49:12.840
Yeah.

746
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:20.699
Also, that look between them at the very end of the episode says so much without them saying any words whatsoever.

747
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:22.619
It's a masterpiece of direction.

748
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:23.280
It's so good.

749
00:49:23.340 --> 00:49:24.239
Yeah.

750
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:38.699
And also, I find that Villa, Dana and Tarrant being subjugated by the alien, very often when that sort of thing happens in science fiction, it's a result of the characters having behaved stupidly, and it's not here.

751
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:46.320
You know, they each do try to do something to overcome it that's clever and true to their characters, but it doesn't work.

752
00:49:46.380 --> 00:49:49.980
You know, they don't fail because of a failing in themselves.

753
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:55.800
But the reason that Avon wins is, even though he can show that he cares, he can also switch that off.

754
00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:59.340
But he does that because he cares about everyone.

755
00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:00.840
Yeah, it's brilliant.

756
00:50:00.900 --> 00:50:07.139
It's intelligent writing, intelligent direction, and we've only got our regulars, good performances.

757
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:07.800
Yes.

758
00:50:07.860 --> 00:50:08.280
Yes.

759
00:50:11.340 --> 00:50:14.880
Over the course of our many, many, many episodes.

760
00:50:14.940 --> 00:50:21.179
Our GIF Master, Pete, has created all the wonderful gifts that have accompanied each episode.

761
00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:24.480
You can find them on the website and they're in the process of being added to tenor.

762
00:50:24.539 --> 00:50:29.820
And Pete, please tell us what are our top 5 most used gifts.

763
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:32.039
Well, it's quite remarkable.

764
00:50:32.099 --> 00:50:45.420
Yeah, Tanner, since I've been uploading them to that, it sometimes takes them persuading, it doesn't like them if those people appear to be being shot or maimed, but when you have to use the right keywords, but the ones that I've put up there so far, I get stats on, and the top 5 may be surprising.

765
00:50:45.480 --> 00:51:00.719
At number five, we've got everybody's faces wobbled you to G-Force, the 1st time they get on board, a liberator. 755 people have, at some point, found that a useful contribution to a conversation.

766
00:51:00.780 --> 00:51:02.760
But do you have to put it into the search?

767
00:51:02.820 --> 00:51:05.880
But I don't think people are typing in like 7 Facebook.

768
00:51:05.940 --> 00:51:10.619
I think they're just looking, they're doing, you know, the stress or something like that.

769
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:20.699
Surprisingly, perhaps the most popular GIF of a spaceship with 838 shares is the Scorpio flying off into the distance. zooming away.

770
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:22.559
Oh, that, yeah, yeah.

771
00:51:22.619 --> 00:51:23.519
Literally.

772
00:51:23.579 --> 00:51:25.380
Liberator is not in the top five.

773
00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:26.880
Very surprising.

774
00:51:26.940 --> 00:51:27.599
Oh, gas.

775
00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:29.639
Oh, is the credits every week?

776
00:51:29.699 --> 00:51:30.179
Yeah.

777
00:51:30.179 --> 00:51:36.000
It is one, some people have commented it looks like Wally because it's like, it's engines look like, what are you going away?

778
00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:36.960
Yeah, yeah.

779
00:51:37.019 --> 00:51:41.820
That's the last we're going to hear of any of our major cast members or spaceships as we get into the top three.

780
00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:43.079
Oh, wow, okay.

781
00:51:43.139 --> 00:51:49.139
In 3rd place, 2000 people have shared a spider climbing onto Glynis Barber's hand.

782
00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:52.679
So it is actually Gloomis Barber's hand does make the top three.

783
00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:59.820
Number two, there have been over 3000 shares of shrieking intensifies.

784
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:06.840
Like 7 superstar Beth Morris standing next to a door shrieking and screaming from mission to destiny.

785
00:52:09.900 --> 00:52:13.380
But number one, and I get an email from Tenner.

786
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:28.559
Every time something gets shed more than a 100 times, and there was a fortnight where I was getting updates more than hourly about the runaway success of one which I used the caption, or the 1st tag I put on it was Old Man Screams.

787
00:52:28.619 --> 00:52:45.719
And the other tags were Richard Herndel, like some assassin, because it's Richard Herndel turning and doing this very 1930s face where he gets murdered was being was being shared 1000s of times a day for about a week, about 6 months ago.

788
00:52:45.780 --> 00:52:47.639
And I don't know why or by whom?

789
00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:49.559
It really took off.

790
00:52:49.619 --> 00:52:52.139
I was going to say, shrieking intensifies.

791
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:53.820
They probably just experienced the last 5 years.

792
00:52:54.300 --> 00:52:57.539
Pretty much, you can't see why these moments chime.

793
00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:00.539
This is Blake 7's relevance to the 2020s. definitely, yeah.

794
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:01.199
Yeah.

795
00:53:01.260 --> 00:53:06.840
But also, there are a plethora of server land gifts that have all been shared 100 times each, because of course, there's so much to choose from, I suppose.

796
00:53:07.739 --> 00:53:09.300
I don't have the time to do the maths.

797
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:09.960
Yeah.

798
00:53:10.019 --> 00:53:21.179
So can I just say that the maximum power website hosts 1381 gifts from Blake 7's 52 episodes?

799
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:22.139
It's not enough.

800
00:53:22.139 --> 00:53:41.099
And that they they take up 14.25 gigabytes of space compared to your bill soon compared to maximum power, which currently has 63 episodes and only takes up 5.06 gigabytes of space.

801
00:53:41.219 --> 00:53:48.360
So essentially, maximum power is a gift repository more than it is a podcast.

802
00:53:48.420 --> 00:53:50.039
The podcast attached.

803
00:53:50.340 --> 00:53:54.059
There is a reservoir in Florida devoted to...

804
00:53:54.059 --> 00:53:57.000
We're very grateful.

805
00:53:57.059 --> 00:54:01.139
You guys over there better get to deleting those emails, I think.

806
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:05.820
The maximum power gift database weighs 73 kilos.

807
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:12.059
So this lake that's been used to cool down the server farm.

808
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:13.619
Is that a, what?

809
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:15.719
There's a lake being used to cool down server lap.

810
00:54:18.239 --> 00:54:20.579
Her titlers are on fire.

811
00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:24.599
Sorry. on fire.

812
00:54:25.500 --> 00:54:29.039
Is it a flooded slave pit on a surprise?

813
00:54:32.099 --> 00:54:35.579
Brendan, I enjoyed your introduction there of Peter's the gift master.

814
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:37.739
All I could think of was children of our own.

815
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:40.380
And now, since the untimely destruction of the gift master.

816
00:54:44.820 --> 00:55:02.460
Well, once again, thank you, Pete, for all the incredible work you did on this, and I have to say my personal favourite gift is actually from rescue, and it's just the slow zooms on everyone's faces when Dorian's like, or are you?

817
00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:04.079
And then slow zoom, slows zoom, slow zoom.

818
00:55:04.139 --> 00:55:07.920
Slow zoom on Darrow, which you then push in further right up his nose.

819
00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:09.539
Absolutely.

820
00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:13.199
Because I'm watching waiting for it to end.

821
00:55:13.260 --> 00:55:18.239
And I just was mercurating myself with amusement.

822
00:55:18.300 --> 00:55:29.699
I think my favourite is the one that you did for the end of terminal where you kind of jump cut, that last shot of the old turning away from the screen.

823
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:31.860
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

824
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:33.599
Spiced it up a little bit, yeah.

825
00:55:34.380 --> 00:55:35.940
I like the one.

826
00:55:36.059 --> 00:55:41.699
I think my personal favourite is the link leaping out on top on onto Cali.

827
00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:44.219
I added a rare...

828
00:55:45.539 --> 00:55:52.139
I try not to because I could easily spend a lot more time making each gift than was made making the actual episodes of play.

829
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:53.940
I can't do count away with frame rates.

830
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:55.079
And probably more care.

831
00:55:55.139 --> 00:55:56.880
I still love space grooving.

832
00:55:57.000 --> 00:55:58.860
Yeah, me too.

833
00:55:58.920 --> 00:55:59.760
The 1st ones.

834
00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:07.860
Now, the last question we had on our listener survey was worst relationship.

835
00:56:08.940 --> 00:56:11.760
Here are...

836
00:56:12.420 --> 00:56:14.099
Filthiest.

837
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:14.699
Yeah.

838
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:17.940
Now, the nominees were.

839
00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:20.280
Blake and Inger.

840
00:56:21.900 --> 00:56:23.760
That kind of worst.

841
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:26.400
Avon and Anna.

842
00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:33.300
Sue Len and Dorian, Dana and Justin, Taranton Ziona.

843
00:56:33.420 --> 00:56:34.559
Oh, it's a good one.

844
00:56:34.619 --> 00:56:36.659
And Blake and Avon.

845
00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:43.380
I decided not to include Avon and Serverland for some reason, and I'm sure I knew what that was several months ago, but I don't now.

846
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:46.139
I'm just going to go through the bottom 4 really quickly.

847
00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:48.480
So 3 votes is Avon and Anna.

848
00:56:48.539 --> 00:56:50.519
Four votes is Sue Lynn and Dorian.

849
00:56:50.579 --> 00:56:54.480
Five votes is Villa and Carol, and 6 votes is Blake and Avon.

850
00:56:54.539 --> 00:56:57.300
What about Pennant Roberts and a camera script?

851
00:56:58.500 --> 00:57:01.139
A fairly toxic relationship.

852
00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:03.780
George Spenton Foster and drama.

853
00:57:05.460 --> 00:57:07.320
And television.

854
00:57:10.380 --> 00:57:12.420
Any comments on any of those.

855
00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:20.099
So that was Blake and Avon, Villa and Carol, Avon and Anna, and Sue Leonard, Dorian.

856
00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:23.159
I don't see how Sue Lin and Dorian can count because Dorian's gay.

857
00:57:23.699 --> 00:57:25.679
That's why it's terrible.

858
00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:27.599
No, it's great.

859
00:57:27.659 --> 00:57:28.800
They're sharing makeup tips.

860
00:57:28.860 --> 00:57:29.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

861
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:31.980
Dorian and the C double, surely.

862
00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:37.559
A series of sea devils wings.

863
00:57:37.619 --> 00:57:46.800
And also, Pete, going back to what you said about Agrorian being a great performance that reaches for the stars, even though he spends the episode in a basement, I refer you to the sea devil.

864
00:57:47.699 --> 00:57:51.659
I thought you were going to pump for agrorian and Pinder.

865
00:57:54.300 --> 00:57:56.579
I don't know how I didn't put that in.

866
00:57:56.639 --> 00:57:57.960
And I actually went and checked.

867
00:57:57.960 --> 00:57:59.519
And they'd need someone to pump for them.

868
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:04.800
What about Tarrant and Serverland?

869
00:58:04.860 --> 00:58:07.619
Yeah, I didn't put Surveline in and I don't know why.

870
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:08.340
Yeah.

871
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:09.599
Maybe I thought she'd be...

872
00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:10.679
What about Terrant and Terrant?

873
00:58:10.739 --> 00:58:11.940
What about Taron?

874
00:58:11.940 --> 00:58:13.860
What about Taron?

875
00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:17.159
Jarvis and Captain... wrong with me?

876
00:58:17.219 --> 00:58:23.400
Surely any relationship with Surbilan, is it the best relationship until you're killed?

877
00:58:23.460 --> 00:58:24.300
Yeah that's right.

878
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:25.500
I don't care.

879
00:58:25.500 --> 00:58:28.800
You're dead on the floor of the control room and she treads over you.

880
00:58:28.920 --> 00:58:30.000
She steps over.

881
00:58:30.059 --> 00:58:30.599
I'm dead.

882
00:58:30.659 --> 00:58:31.139
I don't care.

883
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:40.500
My writing would be for Avon and Dell Grant and they're looping up that shaft that they've got.

884
00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:44.159
Get your hand in there.

885
00:58:44.340 --> 00:58:46.739
My fingers are crapping.

886
00:58:50.099 --> 00:58:52.860
He's talking around in there.

887
00:58:54.960 --> 00:58:56.820
Oh no.

888
00:58:56.880 --> 00:58:57.599
Right.

889
00:58:57.780 --> 00:59:00.000
Quickly.

890
00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:04.199
I will say that in in Lucifer.

891
00:59:04.260 --> 00:59:08.639
Paul Darrow does describe a character as having 2 wives, one male, one female.

892
00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:19.320
And it's just a throwaway line, and there's also other, wait, characters who referred to as having same-sex partners and what have you, and it's like, oh, the Federation's fine with that.

893
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:21.000
It's just like, you know, don't think for yourself.

894
00:59:21.059 --> 00:59:25.860
Right. moving hastily along. from Tom Chadbond's fingers.

895
00:59:25.860 --> 00:59:30.000
With 12 votes, we have Taranton Ziona.

896
00:59:30.059 --> 00:59:31.739
I love that relationship.

897
00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:35.820
So do I. I can't get past the nylon hair.

898
00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:37.440
And what about the owner?

899
00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:42.900
You both owe me money.

900
00:59:43.380 --> 00:59:46.260
Is that because the static, Nathan?

901
00:59:46.380 --> 00:59:48.059
You just can't get past.

902
00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:49.679
That's what happens to her.

903
00:59:49.739 --> 00:59:50.699
It's not the radio.

904
00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:54.420
She takes her glove off and there's a massive static shock from a nylon hair.

905
00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:55.860
Well, it looks like, does it?

906
00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:58.380
Yeah. doesn't look like a virus.

907
00:59:58.500 --> 01:00:02.340
Any thoughts on Taranton, Fiona, UK chaps.

908
01:00:03.239 --> 01:00:04.679
Nope.

909
01:00:04.739 --> 01:00:08.159
All just shit their heads. have nothing to say.

910
01:00:08.820 --> 01:00:10.619
It's all right.

911
01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:12.059
She's very much, she's got that Toya.

912
01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:13.739
Look, Toya was up in the charts at the time.

913
01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:15.599
It's better than I would have expected.

914
01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:18.900
A tyrant gets a romantic interest who isn't server-out episode to be.

915
01:00:19.619 --> 01:00:22.500
That would faint praise.

916
01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:28.139
I think it's great, but actually the better chemistry in that episode is the owner in Sulin.

917
01:00:28.199 --> 01:00:29.340
Yeah, yeah, that's true.

918
01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:30.000
That's true.

919
01:00:31.980 --> 01:00:38.699
Coming in 2nd with 18 votes. is Blake and Cousin Inger.

920
01:00:38.820 --> 01:00:41.699
Oh, what is wrong with that?

921
01:00:42.179 --> 01:00:45.300
Can you stop listening at once?

922
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:48.300
You're going to find out what, you're going to find out what's number one.

923
01:00:48.360 --> 01:00:49.320
I'm just saying.

924
01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:51.420
I've just seen it.

925
01:00:52.380 --> 01:00:55.199
Is it same on an a decimal?

926
01:00:58.320 --> 01:00:59.940
and toys.

927
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:01.619
And it's the right thing.

928
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:02.940
I guess we can do 10 things.

929
01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:04.380
Like it's got to range.

930
01:01:04.739 --> 01:01:09.179
You mean Inga, the daughter of Blake's father's brother.

931
01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:10.500
Yes, yes.

932
01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:13.619
It's legal in many American states.

933
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:16.619
South of the Mason Dixon line.

934
01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:21.360
It's just a bit icky, isn't it?

935
01:01:21.420 --> 01:01:24.119
And she's so young compared to him as well.

936
01:01:24.179 --> 01:01:34.139
So considering they haven't seen each other for some time, this is this is Dana, Justin, time again, and yeah, it's just not a good idea.

937
01:01:34.260 --> 01:01:37.019
Oh, wait, I thought we were voting for good relationships.

938
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:38.639
No, no, it's worst relationship.

939
01:01:38.699 --> 01:01:40.139
Okay, all right, fine.

940
01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:43.679
Which, um, I withdraw the decimal same, I'm there.

941
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:45.599
Because that's a, that's a hanger.

942
01:01:45.659 --> 01:01:47.579
I thought that was an insight.

943
01:01:48.840 --> 01:01:59.460
Well, Cy has given me a wonderful segue there because with 75 votes, it's Dana and Justin as our worst relationship.

944
01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:03.659
I think it's disgusting.

945
01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:15.059
You know, I do I do wonder, you know, when Gisette talks about, I'm not going to go into detail, but I wasn't treated very well on the set.

946
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:17.460
Is it primarily this episode?

947
01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:19.139
Wait, did Joseph say this?

948
01:02:19.199 --> 01:02:20.159
one really bad week?

949
01:02:20.219 --> 01:02:20.519
Yeah.

950
01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:22.260
Oh wow.

951
01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:24.059
I didn't know that actually.

952
01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:24.599
What a shame.

953
01:02:24.659 --> 01:02:35.820
But, you know, she doesn't, she doesn't sort of go, she doesn't sort of go into detail about whether she was talked down to or whatever, but it sounds like it was kind of, she just wasn't listened to.

954
01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:38.820
You know, and maybe she maybe she kind of went.

955
01:02:38.880 --> 01:02:40.920
He's old enough to be my grandfather.

956
01:02:40.980 --> 01:02:42.000
Can we not?

957
01:02:42.059 --> 01:02:45.000
So do you mean she wasn't listened to on the animal set?

958
01:02:45.059 --> 01:02:54.119
Oh, she she says in general, I'm just wondering if it's this. if this is the if this is the turning point where she's just like, just shoot me.

959
01:02:54.179 --> 01:02:54.960
Oh, Chris?

960
01:02:55.019 --> 01:02:55.500
Okay, thanks.

961
01:02:55.559 --> 01:02:55.860
Good.

962
01:02:55.980 --> 01:02:57.480
Canadian.

963
01:02:57.539 --> 01:03:02.340
One really bad week at the office can become your abiding memory of a job that you've left to cut it.

964
01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:04.800
It's her worst performance as well, isn't it?

965
01:03:04.860 --> 01:03:10.559
She can't find a way of making it work and she's magnificent in literally every other episode she's in.

966
01:03:10.619 --> 01:03:12.119
But she's terrible in that.

967
01:03:12.179 --> 01:03:28.380
And just, but also, let a lot of that, think about that episode, one more rewrite away from salvageability, somehow, putting some, like, you know, tweak it so that she's, like, as we discussed on the episode, you know, it's one of those ones where the wheels, the wheels didn't have to fall off.

968
01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:35.940
So you've got the, but you've just gone through the script and crossed out Cali and put Dana in and and surprise, surprise, it doesn't work.

969
01:03:36.059 --> 01:03:40.320
No, but all you would need to do is like remove the animals and the hypnotism chair.

970
01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:52.139
Jumping script, Justin, or recast, Justin, and maybe reshoot the scene where Avon barrels into the into the underground base and nearly falls over.

971
01:03:52.139 --> 01:03:53.579
Oh, no, don't reshoot that.

972
01:03:53.639 --> 01:04:02.639
Actually, I think as I said on the episode, the only thing you really need to do is scribble out Callian writing Dana and then scribble out Dana and write in Sulin.

973
01:04:02.699 --> 01:04:03.239
Yes.

974
01:04:03.300 --> 01:04:04.619
Yeah, yes.

975
01:04:04.679 --> 01:04:08.460
I think the concept of the animals is not such a terrible idea.

976
01:04:08.579 --> 01:04:13.139
Making them look like they're in a Monty Python sketch is the terrible idea.

977
01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:15.780
It's all contributing to the horny atmosphere.

978
01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:19.559
I think it's more than one rewrite away from...

979
01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:21.900
I think it's one rewrite away from just being terrible.

980
01:04:24.659 --> 01:04:27.780
It requires a cure for the terran ague.

981
01:04:29.039 --> 01:04:31.199
Oh, thank you.

982
01:04:31.260 --> 01:04:40.920
Yes, I was just about to say, was that Bob Holmes going, tear nation, terenaicu, shark, shark, shark, shark.

983
01:04:41.039 --> 01:04:45.480
Well-known fact, Taron Aiku was also a background character in the way back.

984
01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:49.260
It's a very little known fact.

985
01:04:59.639 --> 01:05:06.300
Colin has also suggested that we indulge in a little bit of fantasy casting.

986
01:05:07.139 --> 01:05:11.460
Obviously, I'm not expecting us to go through a recast every single cast member.

987
01:05:11.519 --> 01:05:17.460
So I'd just like us to take a moment and think if there were a modern big budget remake of Blake 7.

988
01:05:17.519 --> 01:05:21.780
I'd just like everyone to think of one piece of recasting that they would do.

989
01:05:22.019 --> 01:05:26.460
I would get Daisy Haggard to play everyone.

990
01:05:27.599 --> 01:05:29.579
God, okay.

991
01:05:29.639 --> 01:05:30.960
Thank you, Nathan.

992
01:05:31.739 --> 01:05:33.539
Right, Cole.

993
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:37.260
I would cast as Avon, Ruth Wilson.

994
01:05:37.320 --> 01:05:38.699
Oh, damn.

995
01:05:38.760 --> 01:05:39.960
I was going to say that.

996
01:05:40.739 --> 01:05:42.179
Me too.

997
01:05:42.179 --> 01:05:48.179
Maybe I told you maybe I told you that for years ago or something.

998
01:05:50.460 --> 01:05:53.760
I mean, I would also cast her as serverland.

999
01:05:53.820 --> 01:05:55.019
Oh, actually, yeah.

1000
01:05:55.019 --> 01:05:57.960
Maybe you could play all of those.

1001
01:05:57.960 --> 01:05:58.860
Haggard's part.

1002
01:05:59.639 --> 01:06:02.699
It's Sean Pertwee as server.

1003
01:06:03.179 --> 01:06:04.800
Interesting.

1004
01:06:04.860 --> 01:06:06.780
No, yeah, Ruth Olson is Avon.

1005
01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:09.900
I mean, and I'm not thinking about his dark materials.

1006
01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:11.760
I'm thinking about her playing.

1007
01:06:11.820 --> 01:06:13.440
I think it was Alice from Luther.

1008
01:06:13.500 --> 01:06:15.539
She's fucking psychotic.

1009
01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:16.380
It's brilliant.

1010
01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:19.019
So that's why I think of her as Avon.

1011
01:06:19.079 --> 01:06:22.199
And, you know, I think I may have mentioned this a long, long time ago.

1012
01:06:22.260 --> 01:06:30.420
I was sitting in a meeting at Microsoft, when there were some people from the US presenting, and they said, we are bringing back Blake 7.

1013
01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:35.639
And I was like the only person that went, yay, and of course they never did it.

1014
01:06:35.699 --> 01:06:37.559
Okay, then, go on.

1015
01:06:37.619 --> 01:06:40.800
I will give us a recast of Villa.

1016
01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:44.099
And I'm going to go for Adrian Lester.

1017
01:06:44.159 --> 01:06:51.900
It's purely on the basis of his performance in hustle where he can do the sly sleight of hand stuff.

1018
01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:57.239
He can pull off the sort of changes of mood really well.

1019
01:06:57.300 --> 01:06:59.460
I think he would be be surprised.

1020
01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:14.400
Actually, he could probably play anyone in the cast and would be superb, but I think I could just see him sort of playing that playing it slightly more sinisterly than Michael Keating does, maybe a bit more like the way back version of Villa, and I think that would be really interesting.

1021
01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:23.400
I was going to say, I'd recast Aurak as the thing tune from Hustle.

1022
01:07:25.619 --> 01:07:28.380
No, Kenneth Williams for act.

1023
01:07:29.579 --> 01:07:32.159
Don't you remember his name?

1024
01:07:32.219 --> 01:07:33.179
like one episode?

1025
01:07:33.300 --> 01:07:34.079
I see.

1026
01:07:34.139 --> 01:07:36.059
It's very beepy.

1027
01:07:36.119 --> 01:07:36.659
I see.

1028
01:07:36.719 --> 01:07:37.139
All right.

1029
01:07:38.340 --> 01:07:43.139
I'm going to say Phoebe Waller Bridge as Travis.

1030
01:07:43.739 --> 01:07:45.480
Oh, awesome.

1031
01:07:45.539 --> 01:07:46.679
Awesome, awesome.

1032
01:07:46.739 --> 01:07:48.659
Yeah, just Stephen Grief, Travis.

1033
01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:50.219
Yeah, Stephen Gross.

1034
01:07:50.579 --> 01:07:51.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1035
01:07:51.179 --> 01:07:55.980
But, you know, the sort of disdain of fleabag. with the actual force to back it up.

1036
01:07:56.039 --> 01:07:57.420
Very.

1037
01:07:57.480 --> 01:08:00.599
Assuming budget is not a problem. budget is not a problem.

1038
01:08:00.659 --> 01:08:02.460
Rosamond Pike as Jenna.

1039
01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:04.079
Yes, I like that.

1040
01:08:04.139 --> 01:08:07.559
She's probably a bit old now, but I'm getting a bit old, but yeah.

1041
01:08:07.619 --> 01:08:08.159
Yeah.

1042
01:08:08.159 --> 01:08:12.420
I think we've been robbed of James Corden's Travis.

1043
01:08:14.280 --> 01:08:16.380
But actually, seriously.

1044
01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:19.680
I think Timothy Chalamet Tarrant.

1045
01:08:19.739 --> 01:08:25.140
And before you laugh, Timothy Chalamet is 10 years older than Stephen Pacy was.

1046
01:08:25.199 --> 01:08:25.859
Yes, right.

1047
01:08:26.460 --> 01:08:31.800
I think Timothy Challa makes too pretty though. and Stephen Pacy's not really...

1048
01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:32.939
Tarant 70s, pretty.

1049
01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:34.500
Yes, I suppose so.

1050
01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:35.520
I suppose so.

1051
01:08:35.579 --> 01:08:36.600
Yeah, actually, no, that works.

1052
01:08:36.659 --> 01:08:37.020
That works.

1053
01:08:37.140 --> 01:08:40.199
It's that thing, too, that when you see someone on television and you're a child.

1054
01:08:40.260 --> 01:08:42.119
They're just always...

1055
01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:44.939
Like he never looks like a 20 year old, which he actually is.

1056
01:08:46.020 --> 01:08:53.399
Ruth Wilson's being Avon rather than Servoland, then I think Tenia Miller is born to play Servoland.

1057
01:08:53.460 --> 01:08:57.000
And not just because she's got short cropped hair and big eyes.

1058
01:08:57.060 --> 01:08:59.880
She has the same outline, a shackling Pitts.

1059
01:08:59.939 --> 01:09:04.500
But that's not the only reason she's such a good actor and she's and she could be really scary and sinister.

1060
01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:06.060
She is in a sci-fi thing called Foundation.

1061
01:09:06.060 --> 01:09:06.899
Yes.

1062
01:09:07.979 --> 01:09:09.060
Did I say Sci-fi?

1063
01:09:09.060 --> 01:09:11.340
because that's how I thought it was pronounced until I was about 14.

1064
01:09:11.939 --> 01:09:12.720
No, you said sci-fi.

1065
01:09:12.779 --> 01:09:13.859
You're good. you got it right.

1066
01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:14.460
Okay.

1067
01:09:14.460 --> 01:09:14.699
Okay.

1068
01:09:14.760 --> 01:09:17.039
But Alan didn't embarrass myself by doing that.

1069
01:09:17.100 --> 01:09:19.140
She, um...

1070
01:09:19.140 --> 01:09:22.979
And in that, she's, but she's a very servolanic character in there.

1071
01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:32.939
She is possibly channelling Jackie Pierce deliberately or maybe maybe she's just come to that for this particular role in this in this series where she's very servile Annie.

1072
01:09:33.060 --> 01:09:34.680
So yes, she would, she would be awesome.

1073
01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:35.279
So like.

1074
01:09:35.340 --> 01:09:41.220
She does the same thing in the peripheral. which is on Amazon, which no one has seen, I don't think.

1075
01:09:42.119 --> 01:09:45.600
Foundation also has Alfie Enoch in it.

1076
01:09:46.260 --> 01:09:48.060
Very good, Siri.

1077
01:09:48.119 --> 01:09:49.859
See, he could be a good terrant as well, actually.

1078
01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:50.399
Yeah.

1079
01:09:50.460 --> 01:09:51.420
He would.

1080
01:09:51.420 --> 01:09:51.659
Yeah.

1081
01:09:51.720 --> 01:09:52.199
Yeah.

1082
01:09:52.739 --> 01:09:55.619
Keeping sort of gender and race the same, though.

1083
01:09:55.680 --> 01:09:58.260
Lashana Lynch. as Dana.

1084
01:09:58.319 --> 01:09:59.640
Yes.

1085
01:09:59.699 --> 01:10:00.539
Yeah, yeah.

1086
01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:01.260
Yep.

1087
01:10:01.319 --> 01:10:04.079
She's seen, what's it, the Day of the Jackal?

1088
01:10:04.140 --> 01:10:05.520
No, I haven't seen that.

1089
01:10:05.579 --> 01:10:07.739
Oh, I have seen that, but I can't remember that.

1090
01:10:07.800 --> 01:10:08.220
Yeah, yeah.

1091
01:10:08.279 --> 01:10:09.779
And the replacement of 007.

1092
01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:10.979
She's like the main character I think.

1093
01:10:11.340 --> 01:10:13.020
No time to die.

1094
01:10:13.079 --> 01:10:14.159
Yeah, yeah.

1095
01:10:14.220 --> 01:10:19.199
I just don't think anyone, anyone could really better those original performances.

1096
01:10:19.260 --> 01:10:22.319
No, it would be...

1097
01:10:22.380 --> 01:10:30.539
It would be such, it would be such a new thing that I'd kind of, I'd, I'd be fine for it to be called Blake 7, but it's like aside from a Blake, create all new characters.

1098
01:10:30.659 --> 01:10:33.180
This show should never be rebooted.

1099
01:10:33.239 --> 01:10:37.140
It would be impossible to capture the alchemy.

1100
01:10:37.500 --> 01:10:47.819
I think if you're rebooting it, you would just take the very, very, very basis of the concept and create a completely different show.

1101
01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:59.640
Like you wouldn't try to retell any of the episodes and you certainly wouldn't try to have, as you're sort of suggesting, Brandon, you wouldn't have exactly the same characters, certainly not exactly the same order.

1102
01:10:59.699 --> 01:11:06.840
You might use them as inspiration, but I think you actually just take the term of the idea and do a 21st century version.

1103
01:11:06.899 --> 01:11:08.760
Yeah, I mean, that is Firefly.

1104
01:11:08.819 --> 01:11:12.479
And Firefly is an equally successful and wonderful series.

1105
01:11:12.779 --> 01:11:17.939
And as James mentioned as well, we've got, you know, there's firefly, there's intergalactic.

1106
01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:23.159
There's Farscape, you know, all... when are we doing that?

1107
01:11:23.220 --> 01:11:24.300
Is that the puppets one?

1108
01:11:24.359 --> 01:11:27.300
That's the, it's got puppets, puppets in Queensland.

1109
01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:29.579
It's all in fucking Queensland.

1110
01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:32.340
It's also Ben Browder in very tight...

1111
01:11:32.340 --> 01:11:33.119
Have you watched Animal?

1112
01:11:33.659 --> 01:11:38.100
It's also Ben Browder in very, very, very tight leather trousers.

1113
01:11:38.159 --> 01:11:42.840
And I have to say Claudia Black in very, very, very tiny open trousers.

1114
01:11:42.899 --> 01:11:47.520
But yeah, that is that is the interesting thing is that there's been a few series.

1115
01:11:47.579 --> 01:11:55.979
It seems like every 5 or 6 years, someone comes up with a series that it feels like the core idea of Blake 7 spun off in another direction.

1116
01:11:56.039 --> 01:12:08.279
You know, it's because it's such a good solid idea, but to push back on a lot of those series that were just mentioned, the only one that captures the character dynamic is Firefly, and that's the core of Blake 7.

1117
01:12:08.340 --> 01:12:08.699
Yeah.

1118
01:12:08.760 --> 01:12:19.800
See, the main problem that I have with the original program. which would be corrected with any, with any remake, is because I, I sort of always feel that it's never quite sure what it's being.

1119
01:12:19.859 --> 01:12:20.579
Yes.

1120
01:12:20.579 --> 01:12:32.460
Is it is it trying to tell this kind of overall story of these rebels trying to bring down the federation or is it just going from this place to this place and discovering a virus here and a put upon civilisation there and so on. you know what I mean?

1121
01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:33.600
Like, so it's a bit of everything.

1122
01:12:33.659 --> 01:12:34.680
And I think that's the thing.

1123
01:12:34.800 --> 01:12:42.420
That's the thing that kind of gives it a unique flavour, the fact that it's kind of just a bit of all this stuff and we're doing something different.

1124
01:12:42.479 --> 01:12:43.319
We're not sure what we're doing.

1125
01:12:43.380 --> 01:12:48.420
Whereas I think if you were making it now, perhaps unfortunately, all that would be kind of purified.

1126
01:12:48.539 --> 01:12:54.779
Yeah, there'd be a series Bible, which would tell you exactly how the Federation hierarchy works, et cetera.

1127
01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:59.579
I mean, one of the great things about Blake 7 is the Federation is different every week, as we've said before.

1128
01:12:59.640 --> 01:13:01.979
It's like an anthology show in a way.

1129
01:13:02.039 --> 01:13:13.319
And it's one of the things that I love about television is that it doesn't go according to plan. and that it discovers things about itself as the show goes along.

1130
01:13:13.560 --> 01:13:15.600
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1131
01:13:15.659 --> 01:13:18.420
And I think Blake 7 definitely does that.

1132
01:13:18.479 --> 01:13:21.180
It ends up in a vastly different place from where it started.

1133
01:13:21.239 --> 01:13:26.460
And that's a good thing and it's super interesting and it's nothing that Terry Nation would ever have planned.

1134
01:13:26.520 --> 01:13:30.659
But the trajectory ends up being just massively interesting.

1135
01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:44.399
And so I think a reboot would absolutely smooth all of that over and sandpaper it down and and, you know, make it sort of glossy and sensible in a way that Blake 70s.

1136
01:13:44.460 --> 01:14:00.000
But I think that's one of the beauties of Blake 7 and is that by accident or design or like lack of time, the concept of the show is so sprawling.

1137
01:14:00.060 --> 01:14:04.619
Like, and I find that believable.

1138
01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:07.560
Like this Federation can be all these things.

1139
01:14:07.619 --> 01:14:11.159
It can be, you know, these weird colonial worlds.

1140
01:14:11.220 --> 01:14:14.520
It can be people drugged in a dome on earth.

1141
01:14:14.579 --> 01:14:19.619
It can, you know, have clone masters or whatever because there can be a 5th quadrant.

1142
01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:25.800
Yeah, I can have aliens made of pizzas.

1143
01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:30.600
You can fly spaceships made of colandists.

1144
01:14:32.699 --> 01:14:41.159
And that is, it makes it feel like a real universe to me because it's, it's so vast.

1145
01:14:41.340 --> 01:14:58.859
And part of the reason I think it has that feel is that while it has the territory deterination core, you've got that writing system where, yeah, a writer of the week can come in and can do anything and sometimes it works and sometimes it contradicts and it doesn't quite work in a world building sense, but it has that freedom to do that.

1146
01:14:58.920 --> 01:15:16.079
And I don't know if it shows TV shows now, even the ones I love, um, so cohesive and so on brand to their own vibe, that you don't tend to get that level, that sort of scatter on writing, which it ultimately is what gives Blake 7, the fascinating nooks and crannies, uh, that it has.

1147
01:15:16.140 --> 01:15:17.039
Absolutely.

1148
01:15:17.100 --> 01:15:22.800
And you wouldn't get all the interesting way that characters come to the fore.

1149
01:15:22.859 --> 01:15:30.479
So something like Jacqueline Pierce coming in and then realising that they've got an asset in her and so they get her back for some more episodes.

1150
01:15:30.539 --> 01:15:39.899
You wouldn't have that sort of evolution of Avon because everything would be so set and they'd all have a character arc that they're following that's mapped out from the start.

1151
01:15:39.960 --> 01:15:49.859
Whereas what I love about Blake 7 is that all of that is on the fly as they're sort of realising what assets they've got, who likes to write for which characters.

1152
01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:54.300
And so those characters gain prominence sort of over time.

1153
01:15:54.359 --> 01:16:17.520
So it's, it kind of works as a whole, but it's never planned, and there is no way you'd be watching Spacefall and think by the end of the series, this show would belong to Paul Darrow, not in the way that Paul Darrow grasps the show by the balls by the end of it and remakes it in his own image.

1154
01:16:17.579 --> 01:16:21.779
And the same for Jacqueline Pierce coming in and seeklocate destroy.

1155
01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:42.960
There is nothing there to suggest that she will become the outstanding villainous, that she becomes by the end of the show, and one of the one of the key images that people think of when they think of Blake 7 of an evil dictator in a ball gown on a beach striding in silver sandals, you know.

1156
01:16:43.079 --> 01:16:44.880
None of this is planned.

1157
01:16:44.939 --> 01:16:52.319
And because of that, it feels so natural because it's just going wherever it wants to go.

1158
01:16:52.380 --> 01:16:54.420
And that's what I love about the series.

1159
01:16:55.020 --> 01:16:56.699
Hear, hear.

1160
01:16:56.760 --> 01:17:12.899
It's also the fact that if I can kind of expand on that or sort of have the other side of the coin that we're sort of talking about, you know, we're talking about also a world where, I mean, there are deadlines, there are, we have to start rehearsals for this episode in this week because the filming's that weekend, this, we're in studio the following week.

1161
01:17:13.020 --> 01:17:15.960
These scripts are being delivered by mail.

1162
01:17:16.020 --> 01:17:17.880
If you want to change something.

1163
01:17:17.939 --> 01:17:19.979
You have to retype the entire thing.

1164
01:17:20.039 --> 01:17:27.239
You know, you're getting a script from one writer in the mail, a big thud through the door.

1165
01:17:27.300 --> 01:17:28.560
You have to read it.

1166
01:17:28.619 --> 01:17:39.539
You've already told, though, this other writer who's halfway through the script and is deciding to be in Majorca that week or something because they've gone there to write it and they're not mailing it back to you until next week.

1167
01:17:39.600 --> 01:17:49.380
So you can't possibly keep up with making the various blue page changes or whatever the hell they are and what they do now in a way that can iron out all those things.

1168
01:17:49.500 --> 01:17:53.760
It's not just that it's going in a direction wherever they want it to go as it progresses.

1169
01:17:53.819 --> 01:17:55.199
It's chaos.

1170
01:17:55.260 --> 01:18:01.319
They're not properly able to control how it's being made because they just can't keep up because the timelines just aren't allowed.

1171
01:18:01.380 --> 01:18:03.060
Yeah, and there's no writer's room.

1172
01:18:03.119 --> 01:18:06.600
And so Chris Boucher is the only common element.

1173
01:18:06.659 --> 01:18:09.300
One week you've got Robert Holmes doing his thing.

1174
01:18:09.359 --> 01:18:11.520
Next week you've got Taneth Lee doing hers.

1175
01:18:11.579 --> 01:18:14.100
Next week you've got Alan Pryde doing whatever he does.

1176
01:18:14.159 --> 01:18:18.000
And that's where the series organically springs from.

1177
01:18:18.060 --> 01:18:19.800
It's no one vision.

1178
01:18:19.859 --> 01:18:24.359
It's people off in their corners going, I think we'll do this with Blake 7 and it's just happening.

1179
01:18:24.420 --> 01:18:30.960
Yes, and the Chris Bouncers of the world, just softening it a little bit, uniting it a little bit, but there's only so much...

1180
01:18:31.020 --> 01:18:31.380
Yes.

1181
01:18:31.439 --> 01:18:38.699
And that's potentially why a lot of people don't rate series A is because it's all one person's vision.

1182
01:18:38.760 --> 01:18:40.079
It's too monolithic.

1183
01:18:40.140 --> 01:18:46.800
But I mean, even series A has that massive course correction in episode 6 where it's kind of like...

1184
01:18:46.859 --> 01:18:47.399
What of that?

1185
01:18:47.460 --> 01:18:47.939
we're doing this.

1186
01:18:48.000 --> 01:18:49.020
Yeah, exactly.

1187
01:18:49.079 --> 01:18:58.739
And the funny thing is, when you watch the episodes in order, you can see the prelude to that is we have the 1st 4 episodes, which assembles the crew.

1188
01:18:58.800 --> 01:19:06.180
And then we get the web, which is so weird and atypical because it's just like, oh, okay, we'll go to this alien planet and do this thing.

1189
01:19:06.239 --> 01:19:19.199
And you can almost hear the phone conversation between Chris Boucher and Terry Nation, where they're both saying to each other, hold on, isn't this about to, they're supposed to be about fighting some disasteredly federation.

1190
01:19:19.260 --> 01:19:30.300
Why are we going to this man in a tank and his like, and his muddy mud heap servants and one of the robots from the robots of death?

1191
01:19:30.359 --> 01:19:31.920
Why are we going over here?

1192
01:19:31.920 --> 01:19:35.880
And then Terry Dation's like, oh, I suppose we need a villain, you know?

1193
01:19:35.939 --> 01:19:49.319
Well, there's a certain amount of that built into the series structure because I seem to remember reading like an early warning drama synopsis or, you know, something for series B or whatever, where they'd planned the 1st half of the season, but not the 2nd half.

1194
01:19:49.380 --> 01:19:53.100
And so they just pencilled in, say, for episode 10, space adventure.

1195
01:19:53.159 --> 01:19:53.819
Yeah.

1196
01:19:53.880 --> 01:19:57.720
So it's like, this isn't going to be something which is about the Federation or the ongoing story.

1197
01:19:57.779 --> 01:20:00.180
It's going to be weird, Blake 7, is basically what they're saying.

1198
01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:01.380
It's time for one of those episodes.

1199
01:20:01.439 --> 01:20:03.420
It's going to be the theme music for the cybermen.

1200
01:20:05.579 --> 01:20:10.619
I think going back to kind of what you're saying about why we suddenly in this plays.

1201
01:20:10.680 --> 01:20:16.199
I wonder how much of that is because so many of the people involved with making the series are Doctor Who people.

1202
01:20:16.260 --> 01:20:16.680
Yes.

1203
01:20:16.680 --> 01:20:21.359
And so there is a certain part of their creative brain that will default to what you do in Doctor Who.

1204
01:20:21.420 --> 01:20:24.960
And I think that shows up in some episodes more than others.

1205
01:20:25.020 --> 01:20:25.979
Yes, fair.

1206
01:20:26.039 --> 01:20:31.619
I like that Yeah, the flexibility of the format. and there's the pro and cons of that, isn't it?

1207
01:20:31.680 --> 01:20:35.699
That means the BBC has Doctor Who knowledge in house.

1208
01:20:35.760 --> 01:20:37.319
Yeah. like they can sense themselves.

1209
01:20:37.380 --> 01:20:39.060
We're not going to do it, like, it's not Doctor Who.

1210
01:20:39.119 --> 01:20:40.020
We're going to do this differently.

1211
01:20:40.079 --> 01:20:41.100
But they've done it.

1212
01:20:41.159 --> 01:20:43.260
They've made these explosions happen before.

1213
01:20:43.319 --> 01:20:47.039
Look, I've been playing 7 may have finished, but people will go on watching it.

1214
01:20:47.100 --> 01:20:49.380
Like the BBC kept doing reruns.

1215
01:20:49.439 --> 01:20:56.340
Series D was still being shown into 1983 and they just, I wish they'd kept going, kept going with those reruns.

1216
01:20:56.399 --> 01:20:57.420
They shouldn't have given it up.

1217
01:20:57.539 --> 01:21:06.840
Like Casey and the Sunshine Band, who were singing that they shouldn't give it up that very week that Blake got repeated. in August 1983.

1218
01:21:06.960 --> 01:21:08.340
Oh, Pete.

1219
01:21:08.340 --> 01:21:09.840
And who might do it?

1220
01:21:09.899 --> 01:21:11.100
Who knows?

1221
01:21:11.159 --> 01:21:13.319
Maybe it will be back on BBC 11 day.

1222
01:21:13.380 --> 01:21:15.180
Absolutely brilliant.

1223
01:21:15.300 --> 01:21:17.640
It wouldn't be an episode with you in it without that.

1224
01:21:17.699 --> 01:21:20.340
Is that a casing in the sunshine band?

1225
01:21:20.340 --> 01:21:21.300
Hish, I Never knew.

1226
01:21:21.359 --> 01:21:23.399
Maybe it'll be back on BBC 11 day.

1227
01:21:34.439 --> 01:21:36.359
Speaking of what got us into Blake 7.

1228
01:21:36.420 --> 01:21:39.300
Now, clearly for Pete, it's the opportunity to link it to the charts.

1229
01:21:39.359 --> 01:21:55.739
But we're going to wrap up by talking about what Blake 7 means to each of us and also we're going to share each a personal favourite moment or favourite episode of the podcast.

1230
01:21:55.800 --> 01:21:58.199
So I'm going to start with you.

1231
01:21:58.260 --> 01:21:59.100
Sorry.

1232
01:21:59.100 --> 01:22:00.420
What blakes of them means to me?

1233
01:22:00.479 --> 01:22:02.819
Well, it's my 2nd favourite TV show.

1234
01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:22.560
And I think because I saw it as a kid and fell in love with series D that I remember being so desperate to see the rest of it and find out what Blake 7 was like before those episodes and having the long wait to see them, that that anticipation sort of got me through.

1235
01:22:22.619 --> 01:22:48.840
And, What I've, What I've sort of grown to find is that it's a series that really, um, rewards a rewatch, and you see it in different ways, sort of, at different times in your life, and um, different things sort of hit, and sort of watching the series in order, which this is only the 2nd time I've ever watched Blake 7 in order, which seems ridiculous.

1236
01:22:49.079 --> 01:22:54.720
But that's, that's sort of the nature of the way that I discovered the show was that you dip in and dip out.

1237
01:22:54.779 --> 01:23:06.600
Um, I found so much sort of does carry through and does get through and found new ways to appreciate it sort of by, by watching it with a bit of a critical eye this time.

1238
01:23:06.659 --> 01:23:13.619
So, yeah, I mean, it's just something I love and it's been embedded in my life since 1983.

1239
01:23:13.859 --> 01:23:17.579
So for the majority of my life, I've I've loved this show.

1240
01:23:17.640 --> 01:23:25.979
Sometimes it comes and goes, but it's something that I've watched with various partners down the years to smaller or lesser degrees.

1241
01:23:26.039 --> 01:23:33.239
My new partner, Jason, I got him to sit down and watch aftermath, and he even said that wasn't too bad.

1242
01:23:33.840 --> 01:23:38.100
I think that sort of says something. like him.

1243
01:23:38.159 --> 01:23:39.180
Yeah.

1244
01:23:39.239 --> 01:23:43.920
It just sort of goes on being part of my life to a bigger or smaller degree.

1245
01:23:43.979 --> 01:23:52.260
And I've loved sort of doing this with all of you guys and sort of getting to know all of you a bit better sort of through doing this.

1246
01:23:52.739 --> 01:24:04.260
And I think I'm desperately proud that we've done the series justice at last and we were possibly the 1st podcast to actually do all 52 episodes.

1247
01:24:04.619 --> 01:24:07.260
That's quite an incredible achievement.

1248
01:24:07.260 --> 01:24:09.180
And that's what me and Colin set out to do.

1249
01:24:09.239 --> 01:24:13.920
If we're going to do this, we're going to do the whole lot and we're not going to stop by star one.

1250
01:24:13.979 --> 01:24:15.720
So, yeah.

1251
01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:25.260
There are so many great moments that I've had podcasting about this series and so many laughs all the way through and so many really great discussions.

1252
01:24:25.380 --> 01:24:31.380
I'm really fond of our episode on Horizon, which was an episode I came into knowing that I really liked it.

1253
01:24:31.439 --> 01:24:42.479
Um, but I wasn't sure that anyone else did, and we had a really great discussion about that episode, which I think did it so much more justice than I was expecting it to do.

1254
01:24:42.539 --> 01:24:56.279
But the one that really will always stand out is voice from the past because of just the suppression that everyone had to go through before we got to the end of that episode.

1255
01:24:56.279 --> 01:25:01.260
I could feel it as the host that everyone just wanted to explode with laughter.

1256
01:25:01.260 --> 01:25:09.720
And it was just that sheer joy at the very end of the episode when everybody, we just did the Siobhan impression.

1257
01:25:09.720 --> 01:25:19.859
And that just set everyone off, so much so that I had to put the complete laughter in over the end credits because it just would have felt wrong to edit that. was such a joy.

1258
01:25:19.920 --> 01:25:40.079
And I think sometimes we've had more fun discussing the episodes that haven't quite worked than we have discussing the episodes that we all know are brilliant because there's so much where we can see ways that nearly got there and failed because of Pennant Roberts or Alan Pryor.

1259
01:25:41.880 --> 01:25:54.960
You know, and that's that's what I love doing this for, is to analyse why some things don't hit as much as the ones that do hit and that's been brilliant.

1260
01:25:55.619 --> 01:25:57.300
Brilliant.

1261
01:25:57.359 --> 01:25:58.020
Thank you, Si.

1262
01:25:58.140 --> 01:25:58.979
Nathan.

1263
01:25:59.039 --> 01:26:18.119
You know, I was going to nominate the Horizon episode, not because it's the one necessarily where I had the most fun, and special mansion goes to our episode odd weapon, which was hilarious, and we had a great time.

1264
01:26:18.180 --> 01:26:20.880
But it's exactly what you said, Cy.

1265
01:26:20.939 --> 01:26:21.899
I went into that.

1266
01:26:21.960 --> 01:26:28.859
I didn't think Horizon was all that good, and I have a really, really strong memory of watching it as a child.

1267
01:26:28.859 --> 01:26:36.000
And so I started watching it, and it's really interesting.

1268
01:26:36.060 --> 01:26:38.880
It's got a strong, you know, guest.

1269
01:26:38.939 --> 01:26:45.539
It's got an interesting thing to say about colonialism and the federation and power and all sorts of stuff.

1270
01:26:45.600 --> 01:27:02.699
And then to join in with a group of people who all also raised it for similar reasons, who had found it was a thing that was actually worth discussing, that there were things in it that were worth talking about as opposed to merely laughing at.

1271
01:27:02.760 --> 01:27:06.960
And Blake 7 provides lots of both of those types of things, I think.

1272
01:27:07.079 --> 01:27:09.600
And that's probably why I like it.

1273
01:27:09.659 --> 01:27:18.359
I also think, too, we're all sort of massive Doctor Who nerds and Doctor Who is huge and sprawling and goes on forever and you could never stop learning about it.

1274
01:27:18.420 --> 01:27:25.500
Blake 7 was sort of a nice contained thing to have a sort of level of expertise in, a little bit more manageable.

1275
01:27:25.560 --> 01:27:27.359
And so that was always fun.

1276
01:27:27.420 --> 01:27:40.319
But this silly show that made itself up as it went along. managed to produce some incredible television, some great moments and just some incredible nonsense as well throughout the years.

1277
01:27:40.380 --> 01:27:41.520
It's pretty great.

1278
01:27:41.819 --> 01:27:45.479
Look, I came to Blake 7 very late.

1279
01:27:45.539 --> 01:27:46.560
I knew about it.

1280
01:27:46.619 --> 01:28:00.060
I'd heard about it because, you know, it kept being referenced in all of these Doctor Who books that I'd read, you know, and if it was like the casting of Jacqueline Pearce and Paul Darrow in season 22, for instance, they were from Black 7.

1281
01:28:00.119 --> 01:28:02.340
I thought, gosh, when will I get to see that?

1282
01:28:02.399 --> 01:28:05.100
Now, it was on when I was watching Doctor Who.

1283
01:28:05.159 --> 01:28:06.300
I just didn't know it was on.

1284
01:28:06.359 --> 01:28:10.380
It was on late at night, quite late at night on the ABC.

1285
01:28:10.439 --> 01:28:19.439
And we had a program for many years called Back Chat, which allowed listeners to write in with their views on ABC programming.

1286
01:28:19.560 --> 01:28:27.359
And one of the things that seemed to be an ongoing thing in the late 80s was people writing in asking for a repeat of Blake 7 through. was me.

1287
01:28:29.520 --> 01:28:31.380
I heard a cry.

1288
01:28:32.100 --> 01:28:37.260
And all your alter egos too, it would seem, because there were quite a few letters.

1289
01:28:37.319 --> 01:28:48.779
And Tim Bowden kept reporting that the word from on high was that Blake 7 was telegenically dead. was an expression that I explicitly remembered sometime in the letter.

1290
01:28:48.840 --> 01:28:50.520
Cool, but fair.

1291
01:28:50.579 --> 01:28:54.359
But that didn't stop them repeating other things that were teleogenically dead, frankly.

1292
01:28:54.420 --> 01:29:01.199
Anyway, so I was introduced to it, as I've said a couple of times on this podcast, thanks to Peter and a VHS tape.

1293
01:29:01.260 --> 01:29:04.319
It would have been 1990, so I'm 18 years old.

1294
01:29:04.380 --> 01:29:16.260
It contains Dawn of the Gods, Harvest of Chiros, City at the Edge of the World, and Children of Our On. And so they were the 1st 4 episodes of Blake 7 I ever saw with Harvest of Caros being the 1st one, for some reason, because that's where the tape was up to.

1295
01:29:16.319 --> 01:29:18.000
And I loved it.

1296
01:29:18.060 --> 01:29:19.199
I was watching it though.

1297
01:29:19.260 --> 01:29:25.619
I was coming to it in 1990 where there was a void in my life, which had suddenly appeared.

1298
01:29:25.680 --> 01:29:36.479
And so for me, my relationship with Blake 7 is, I'm afraid, has always been a substitute for Doctor Who, because that's what it was.

1299
01:29:36.539 --> 01:29:46.739
And so I like you, I was watching it in a sort of a random order because I think after that I watched the way back and then I watched aftermath and then I watched something else. you know, it was all kind of all over the players.

1300
01:29:46.800 --> 01:29:53.880
And in fact, I think there was some, it took me years and years to finish off those last couple of episodes that I hadn't seen.

1301
01:29:53.939 --> 01:29:59.699
But yeah, it felt so comfortable to watch it when I was watching it in 1990.

1302
01:29:59.819 --> 01:30:03.539
It looked like certain aspects of the Graham Williams era in the early Jane Tera.

1303
01:30:03.600 --> 01:30:07.619
It also, of course, sounded like Doctor Who of the late 70s.

1304
01:30:07.680 --> 01:30:09.539
So many of the same people, Reddit.

1305
01:30:09.600 --> 01:30:14.340
So for me, it's like a, it was this comforting security blanket.

1306
01:30:14.520 --> 01:30:20.159
And for that reason, it will always have to be 2nd to Doctor Who, it's always Doctor Who's poor cousin.

1307
01:30:20.220 --> 01:30:23.399
Now that doesn't mean I don't like the poorer cousin.

1308
01:30:23.460 --> 01:30:26.220
It just means that it is always going to be secondary.

1309
01:30:26.279 --> 01:30:27.600
I'd love doing this podcast.

1310
01:30:27.659 --> 01:30:28.319
It's great.

1311
01:30:28.380 --> 01:30:32.279
I think, like you said, I think this is only the 2nd time that I've watched the whole series through in the correct order.

1312
01:30:32.340 --> 01:30:36.539
Obviously, voice from the past was the episode that we had the most fun on.

1313
01:30:36.600 --> 01:30:40.140
It was ridiculously hilarious to talk about and laugh with.

1314
01:30:40.199 --> 01:30:41.340
We're laughing.

1315
01:30:41.399 --> 01:30:42.420
We're always laughing with it.

1316
01:30:42.479 --> 01:30:43.859
We're not laughing at it so much.

1317
01:30:43.920 --> 01:30:45.180
The episode.

1318
01:30:45.539 --> 01:30:47.880
All right, you're laughing at it.

1319
01:30:48.000 --> 01:30:50.159
But we were also laughing with it.

1320
01:30:50.220 --> 01:30:52.439
We were laughing with the...

1321
01:30:52.500 --> 01:30:54.180
We were like, okay, we were laughing.

1322
01:30:54.239 --> 01:31:05.279
I suppose the and I did also find the Horizon episode a very rewarding episode because I was surprised because I was expecting everybody else to not like it because it was one that I thought I was sort of, you know, a minority of one.

1323
01:31:05.340 --> 01:31:08.579
But I think the other rewarding episode, I'd point to his orbit.

1324
01:31:08.640 --> 01:31:13.079
I thought that was a very, very good discussion of one of the top, top tier black 7 episodes.

1325
01:31:13.140 --> 01:31:29.520
And I think I said, even though I can say Death Watch before was my favourite Blake 7 episode, I'll reiterate that I think Orbit was the episode that Blake 7 was always working up to and Orbit is the reason Blake 7 exists.

1326
01:31:30.180 --> 01:31:32.100
That's a really good point.

1327
01:31:32.159 --> 01:31:33.720
Thank you, Simon.

1328
01:31:33.779 --> 01:31:40.920
So Blake 7, for me, was something that was sort of very shadowy as a child because it was scarier than Doctor Who.

1329
01:31:40.979 --> 01:31:42.720
Was it also redemption-y and weapony?

1330
01:31:45.779 --> 01:31:47.699
It was orbiting.

1331
01:31:49.260 --> 01:31:55.680
But, you know, aside from sort of very early memories of sarcophagus, which, of course, for a child was incredibly confusing.

1332
01:31:55.739 --> 01:32:06.420
I also came to it with the omnibus tape of the beginning and the security system aboard the liberator was terrifying.

1333
01:32:06.479 --> 01:32:09.180
And I remember the sound more than anything else.

1334
01:32:09.359 --> 01:32:17.579
And in terms of watching it, I'd only seen series A and series C all the way through when we started the podcast.

1335
01:32:17.640 --> 01:32:25.020
So coming to that, it's like, oh, you know, this is great because I understand how Doctor Who was being made at the time, so I understand how this was being made at the time.

1336
01:32:25.079 --> 01:32:54.300
And what that led to was when we did the episode on killer, which I had never seen before, it was suddenly going, this show can do... full-blooded horror sci-fi, yes, with some strange costumes thrown in, but aside from the Michelin men and the cockroach cloaks, everything is pulling in the same direction in this, and it is properly good drama, and there's that moment with Bellfriar you were talking about earlier, Nathan.

1337
01:32:54.359 --> 01:33:00.180
And that's, that's one of my favourite memory memories of recording it.

1338
01:33:00.180 --> 01:33:01.739
Because, of course, doing flight through entirety.

1339
01:33:01.800 --> 01:33:04.380
I'd seen all those stories again and again and again.

1340
01:33:04.439 --> 01:33:15.420
And then doing maximum power on an episode I hadn't seen and I had a preconception of because I have a preconception of, oh, you know, Blake 7, it's going to be a bit silly.

1341
01:33:15.479 --> 01:33:17.220
It's like, no, you get something like killer.

1342
01:33:17.279 --> 01:33:18.420
You get something like Horizon.

1343
01:33:18.479 --> 01:33:25.140
In the last series, you get, I'm trying to think of something very serious in the last series and I suppose Blake.

1344
01:33:25.199 --> 01:33:26.460
Sand, sand.

1345
01:33:26.520 --> 01:33:27.840
Actually, yes, sand is a good example.

1346
01:33:27.840 --> 01:33:37.199
On the other scale of that, doing star drive and just completely going off the deep end laughing on that one. was hilarious.

1347
01:33:37.260 --> 01:33:42.239
So that's been the wonderful thing about working with all of you is much like the show.

1348
01:33:42.300 --> 01:33:50.399
We go from the sublime and praising things unironically for being brilliant to the utterly ridiculous.

1349
01:33:50.460 --> 01:33:58.979
And yeah, I'm also thinking by the end of Moloch, we're all just sitting there like shell shocked, looking at it, looking at each other over webcams.

1350
01:33:59.100 --> 01:34:02.460
Is that because you knew there was another script coming?

1351
01:34:02.520 --> 01:34:03.300
Yes.

1352
01:34:03.600 --> 01:34:06.000
She will, but then she will.

1353
01:34:06.060 --> 01:34:06.659
Oh, God.

1354
01:34:06.659 --> 01:34:10.140
I think you guys have covered a lot of it.

1355
01:34:10.199 --> 01:34:15.420
I'm still in shock that some of you haven't watched it in the correct order every time in every episode.

1356
01:34:15.479 --> 01:34:16.739
It's like a big shot.

1357
01:34:16.800 --> 01:34:17.039
What?

1358
01:34:18.600 --> 01:34:24.779
It does, it, it, I have 2 sort of very distinct TV childhood memories.

1359
01:34:24.840 --> 01:34:33.600
One is Romano in Destiny of the Daleks in that sort of plastic tube, and the other is Sulin shooting herself, or the image of herself in games.

1360
01:34:33.659 --> 01:34:35.159
It's a bit of a theme there, I think.

1361
01:34:35.220 --> 01:34:40.739
But, and it was definitely something I watched as a kid, and I remember loving it.

1362
01:34:40.800 --> 01:34:42.840
And then I think I went for 20 years without seeing it.

1363
01:34:42.899 --> 01:34:45.840
And when I watched it again, I thought this is absolutely great.

1364
01:34:46.020 --> 01:34:51.239
And I think it's Nathan, for example, you were saying it was very contained. right?

1365
01:34:51.300 --> 01:34:53.399
And Peter, you've said in the past.

1366
01:34:53.460 --> 01:34:55.680
There isn't a bad episode of Blake 7.

1367
01:34:55.739 --> 01:34:56.460
There isn't, right?

1368
01:34:56.520 --> 01:34:59.340
It's all great, I think, if I've got that right.

1369
01:34:59.399 --> 01:35:07.020
And I think it just, it has, it's for contained seasons that don't have a chance to go wrong or to go bad and they stop it at the right point.

1370
01:35:07.079 --> 01:35:14.279
So I really love it because it's doing dystopian um future sci-fi.

1371
01:35:14.340 --> 01:35:15.539
I love that stuff.

1372
01:35:15.600 --> 01:35:16.500
It's bleak.

1373
01:35:16.560 --> 01:35:18.060
The characters are great.

1374
01:35:18.119 --> 01:35:21.420
It's become a template for many, many other things.

1375
01:35:21.479 --> 01:35:27.359
Yeah, I'm going to leave it another 20 years before I watch it again, I think, you know, and then listen, listen, listen to us.

1376
01:35:27.420 --> 01:35:29.460
I think I had the most.

1377
01:35:29.520 --> 01:35:31.560
I think I enjoyed our children of our episode most.

1378
01:35:31.619 --> 01:35:37.260
I think I remember really enjoying that and I think Simon, that was the one you hosted.

1379
01:35:37.319 --> 01:35:39.300
I think it was, we had a great discussion there.

1380
01:35:39.420 --> 01:35:45.060
So, um, but yeah, yeah, terrific hanging out with you space commanders.

1381
01:35:45.840 --> 01:35:47.640
Thanks, Colin.

1382
01:35:47.699 --> 01:35:48.960
James?

1383
01:35:49.079 --> 01:35:54.119
I was going to say, I'm not good to watch another 20 years to watch it again.

1384
01:35:54.180 --> 01:35:56.220
I'll probably waste another 20 minutes to watch this game.

1385
01:35:56.279 --> 01:35:58.560
I actually watch it when I get home from this podcast.

1386
01:35:58.979 --> 01:36:00.479
Good for you.

1387
01:36:00.600 --> 01:36:11.159
Blake 7 to me was the kind of, you know, naughty grown-up version of Doctor Who that I probably wasn't supposed to be watching.

1388
01:36:12.180 --> 01:36:26.939
My father, like with an earlier adopter of VHS tapes, We had VCR back in the early 80s, like a really clunky top loader, and he would spend so much of his money.

1389
01:36:27.000 --> 01:36:28.260
He still does with DVDs.

1390
01:36:28.319 --> 01:36:30.779
Not Blu-ray, though, strangely.

1391
01:36:31.500 --> 01:36:33.659
He would collect them all.

1392
01:36:33.720 --> 01:36:38.760
And so we had, I had a similar experience to Brendan.

1393
01:36:38.819 --> 01:36:46.859
We had all of the omnibus tapes and I got into Blake 7 sort of watching it from behind the sofa almost.

1394
01:36:46.920 --> 01:36:56.039
It was grown up and dangerous and naughty, like in a way that Doctor Who never really held that for me.

1395
01:36:56.100 --> 01:37:03.840
Doctor Who was for me, Blake 7 was something that was kind of grown up and forbidden.

1396
01:37:03.899 --> 01:37:06.840
And so like, that's what hooked me with Blake 7.

1397
01:37:06.899 --> 01:37:15.300
And that's why I like episodes like, you know, killer or, I mean, sick, like, hate destroy, because they're, like, it's, it's very gun.

1398
01:37:15.420 --> 01:37:16.319
I'm not a very gun person.

1399
01:37:16.380 --> 01:37:19.920
I'm quite a frock person, but it's because it's different.

1400
01:37:19.979 --> 01:37:25.500
It's so different from what those production teams were making for me as a child.

1401
01:37:27.300 --> 01:37:32.699
As in terms of favourite episode, probably one that I'm not on.

1402
01:37:32.760 --> 01:37:44.399
As in, I really enjoy listening to everybody else's opinions and I really enjoy with most of the podcasts that we're involved in.

1403
01:37:44.520 --> 01:37:46.800
I really enjoy helping make them happen.

1404
01:37:46.920 --> 01:37:50.579
And so I'm not really fussed about being on an episode.

1405
01:37:50.579 --> 01:37:55.260
I'd rather get the right people on that episode to talk about it.

1406
01:37:55.319 --> 01:38:03.720
And and so, I wouldn't be able to choose my favourite episode because they're all my favourites.

1407
01:38:03.779 --> 01:38:07.319
Yeah, so I couldn't, I've had such a wonderful time doing this podcast.

1408
01:38:07.380 --> 01:38:20.159
I couldn't have believed back during lockdown when it 1st got floated that this was something that I could contribute to as much as I have and then enjoy as much as I have and meet so many wonderful people and get to talk to so many wonderful people about this show.

1409
01:38:20.220 --> 01:38:22.260
Which, of course, is a moral.

1410
01:38:22.319 --> 01:38:28.680
I mean, it's a, it, it sets out, it's true nation's vision for how we should live our lives with morality, I think, just like Gene Roddenbury.

1411
01:38:28.739 --> 01:38:31.079
He was basically creating a religion for us.

1412
01:38:31.079 --> 01:38:35.520
And as long as we all adhere to his extremely cohesive worldview, then we'll be fine.

1413
01:38:37.680 --> 01:38:42.180
What I love the we keep going on that dot too, but we can't not.

1414
01:38:42.239 --> 01:38:43.800
It's this sweet and sour or whatever.

1415
01:38:43.859 --> 01:38:44.939
It's got that contrast.

1416
01:38:45.000 --> 01:38:54.300
The way it just bridges that really specific time period in our world from the late 70s to the early 80s where so much changed and, you know, the final episode.

1417
01:38:54.359 --> 01:38:59.039
It's built out of the same ingredients as the 1st episode, but it looks so different.

1418
01:38:59.100 --> 01:39:02.279
It changes from being a 70s show into an 80s show and then it stops.

1419
01:39:02.399 --> 01:39:04.079
It doesn't have to become a 90s show.

1420
01:39:04.199 --> 01:39:20.640
Uh, and it would have been amazing if it had, but the fact that it doesn't, does, it means it's this very solid thing that Doctor Who and other shows don't get to be, show that evolved and then, but then it's kind of locked down, despite all of the creative things that have been done with it since.

1421
01:39:20.699 --> 01:39:29.159
There's a humour to being a fan of Blake 7 about loving it when the wheels fall off just as much as when they don't, a universe without animals is just hard to imagine.

1422
01:39:29.220 --> 01:39:44.760
You said earlier, you're right, Terry Nation could have written a fantastic script to fill that slot, and it would be great, but it would just be another one of Terry Nation's scripts, even if it was a good one. having these occasional car crashes and still loving it is all part of the part of the experience.

1423
01:39:44.819 --> 01:39:46.680
And I don't know about picking up.

1424
01:39:46.739 --> 01:39:51.479
Yeah, it's impossible to pick for me to pick a favourite podcast episode, mainly because I've got memory like a sieve.

1425
01:39:51.539 --> 01:40:14.520
But even from the most recent batch, good examples of extremes are the episode for animals and the episode for gold, complete opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of the consensus around the quality of the episode that we were reviewing, but it was just so much fun and getting to get into meet and talk to amazing people, getting to get into record of people like Kate Orman and Una McCormack.

1426
01:40:14.579 --> 01:40:19.619
It's just been amazing that those people have joined us and just had a good laugh with us as well.

1427
01:40:19.680 --> 01:40:21.960
It's been a heck of a ride.

1428
01:40:22.560 --> 01:40:29.100
So I think I've said before on the podcast that Blake 7 is my favourite series of all time.

1429
01:40:29.159 --> 01:40:37.439
It's the one that I can return to again and again, and as Colin just reminds us there, there are no bad episodes of Blake 7.

1430
01:40:37.500 --> 01:40:39.300
There are episodes which are great.

1431
01:40:39.359 --> 01:40:41.220
There are episodes which are great for different reasons.

1432
01:40:41.279 --> 01:40:44.460
I would refer you to Star one and then voice from the past.

1433
01:40:44.520 --> 01:40:45.359
I enjoy them both.

1434
01:40:45.420 --> 01:40:50.279
If not equally, kind of in different ways that I really love.

1435
01:40:50.399 --> 01:40:58.260
My favourite episodes of the podcast, I would also refer to Voice from the past and Harvest of Kyros, which were fun.

1436
01:40:58.319 --> 01:41:15.300
Also referring to our horizon discussion, something like Warlord, where we went in with a preconceived notion that it wasn't a very popular episode and then found huge numbers of things to love about the episode and realised that it was actually much stronger than the received wisdom would have you believe.

1437
01:41:15.359 --> 01:41:19.560
Blake 7 is indelibly linked with my childhood.

1438
01:41:19.619 --> 01:41:23.699
I watched the 1st runs, which were like 730 on weeknights.

1439
01:41:23.760 --> 01:41:30.420
Then there was a big repeat run of series A through C at close to midnight on Saturday night.

1440
01:41:30.479 --> 01:41:31.500
I was 8 years old.

1441
01:41:31.560 --> 01:41:41.520
My parents allowed me to stay up and watch this in the darkened living room while they went to bed on a Saturday night because obviously the next day was not a school day.

1442
01:41:41.880 --> 01:41:47.939
And when I think back on my childhood, that is some of my very, very happiest memories.

1443
01:41:48.000 --> 01:42:02.760
I can remember watching those episodes with them fresh in my mind, and the impact that they had on me, I think, formulated my ideas of what makes good drama, and to this day, is still probably based on that.

1444
01:42:02.760 --> 01:42:18.960
The only tantrum I ever threw as a child was when my grandmother refused to let me watch the repeat of power play because I was staying at her place, and my mum and dad were at a wedding, and you wouldn't believe the screaming fits that I had that I wasn't allowed to stay up and watch it.

1445
01:42:19.020 --> 01:42:20.760
I love this series.

1446
01:42:20.819 --> 01:42:25.739
I've loved doing this podcast and I think that I'll probably be watching Blake 7 next week.

1447
01:42:26.819 --> 01:42:36.060
I can actually attest to the fact that it's obviously your favourite series because you've actually bought merchandise in a way that you never did for Doctor Who.

1448
01:42:36.119 --> 01:42:38.159
Like, for instance, you have a teleport bracelet.

1449
01:42:38.220 --> 01:42:38.939
I do.

1450
01:42:38.939 --> 01:42:42.420
You don't have a police box or a dalek or anything like that.

1451
01:42:42.479 --> 01:42:47.399
No, the tell when I saw the teleport bracelet, I thought, how can I not have that?

1452
01:42:47.460 --> 01:42:49.079
And occasionally?

1453
01:42:49.140 --> 01:42:53.039
I still do put it on when I'm at home by myself.

1454
01:42:54.119 --> 01:42:59.399
But I will insist that this notion that there are no bad episodes with Lakes.

1455
01:42:59.460 --> 01:43:01.680
These are flawed premises.

1456
01:43:03.359 --> 01:43:06.300
When I saw your teleport bracelet.

1457
01:43:06.359 --> 01:43:07.920
I thought, how can I not put that on?

1458
01:43:09.000 --> 01:43:11.039
But I don't own one.

1459
01:43:11.100 --> 01:43:16.739
And I've never known anyone to not put it on and then instantly touch the button and say Callie.

1460
01:43:16.859 --> 01:43:22.739
It's always Kelly. because she's always at the teleport.

1461
01:43:22.800 --> 01:43:28.439
Just imagining Jan Chappel running on location and standing at a spot and lifting it up and Callie.

1462
01:43:28.500 --> 01:43:29.880
Look, but you're coming.

1463
01:43:29.939 --> 01:43:31.140
Yes, but I'm usually not here.

1464
01:43:37.199 --> 01:43:42.000
All that remains to be said is thank you to all of the panel.

1465
01:43:42.060 --> 01:43:45.119
Thank you to Mark, who, unfortunately, couldn't be with us today.

1466
01:43:45.600 --> 01:43:48.180
He's on the planet Morfennial, apparently.

1467
01:43:48.239 --> 01:43:49.079
Oh, okay.

1468
01:43:49.260 --> 01:43:56.819
We'll definitely, we'll definitely pop along there next week unless, unless some interesting volcano pops up or something.

1469
01:43:56.880 --> 01:43:58.079
No he's never coming back.

1470
01:43:58.140 --> 01:44:00.779
He took down a whole squadron of gunships.

1471
01:44:00.840 --> 01:44:01.619
There we are.

1472
01:44:01.680 --> 01:44:04.739
Joe's gone to stay at Dodo's aunt's house.

1473
01:44:07.020 --> 01:44:13.680
We'd also like to thank the many guest artistes we've had join us as well.

1474
01:44:13.739 --> 01:44:14.880
Pete's mentioned a few there.

1475
01:44:14.939 --> 01:44:17.159
But yeah, we've had absolutely amazing people.

1476
01:44:17.220 --> 01:44:18.479
And I don't think there's a single person.

1477
01:44:18.479 --> 01:44:21.119
We asked who said, oh, God, no, I'm not doing that old tag.

1478
01:44:21.600 --> 01:44:23.460
Not that I told you.

1479
01:44:24.060 --> 01:44:32.279
We had people queueing up to do it who weren't available or we just didn't have the right number of episodes to fit everyone in.

1480
01:44:32.340 --> 01:44:34.739
They need to make more blanks.

1481
01:44:34.800 --> 01:44:38.520
Yeah, well, we'll just have to get them on Avon a terrible aspect or the logic of empire.

1482
01:44:38.579 --> 01:44:39.600
That'll teach you.

1483
01:44:42.180 --> 01:44:44.520
Avon, a terrible novel.

1484
01:44:46.199 --> 01:44:53.279
I think I think the other thing, and you might be about to say this is a big, big thank you to James for organising us over the last 4 years.

1485
01:44:53.340 --> 01:44:56.579
No, you're absolutely right, and I think we should, I think we should leave that in.

1486
01:44:56.640 --> 01:45:01.800
Yes, big thank you, James, for tirelessly getting everyone's availability.

1487
01:45:01.859 --> 01:45:02.699
Yes.

1488
01:45:04.199 --> 01:45:07.020
I had hair at the start.

1489
01:45:07.079 --> 01:45:07.859
That's a lie.

1490
01:45:07.920 --> 01:45:09.300
I haven't had hair 20 years.

1491
01:45:09.420 --> 01:45:19.979
Every single every single time, that 4 or more people were able to gather around their computers at opposite ends of the world at the same time is thanks to James, getting got a sort of air fire.

1492
01:45:20.039 --> 01:45:21.720
Miraculous spreadsheet activity.

1493
01:45:21.779 --> 01:45:24.779
But I hope to never podcast at 9 AM ever again.

1494
01:45:27.899 --> 01:45:31.979
Well, all that remains, now that we have thanked the panel.

1495
01:45:32.039 --> 01:45:34.319
Thank James, thanked our many, many guest stars.

1496
01:45:34.380 --> 01:45:53.760
Thank Pete for all the gifts, is to thank you, dear listener, for following us through 60-something episodes, the five-star reviews sharing us on social media, following us when we abandoned a particular cesspit that used to be named after a bird, but is now a letter that he doesn't even have the rights to.

1497
01:45:53.819 --> 01:45:55.680
Yeah, brilliant marketing genius.

1498
01:45:55.739 --> 01:45:57.060
And you know what?

1499
01:45:57.180 --> 01:46:03.479
I've already signed off a finale of one podcast with this phrase and I'm going to sign off another one.

1500
01:46:03.539 --> 01:46:06.359
Thank you all so much for listening and good night.

1501
01:46:06.479 --> 01:46:08.159
Ta-ta.

1502
01:46:08.220 --> 01:46:08.760
Bye.

1503
01:46:08.819 --> 01:46:09.420
Bye bye.

1504
01:46:09.479 --> 01:46:10.800
Good night.

1505
01:46:10.859 --> 01:46:11.399
Bye.

1506
01:46:11.399 --> 01:46:12.119
Bye for now.

1507
01:46:12.239 --> 01:46:12.539
Good night.

1508
01:46:15.720 --> 01:46:17.760
That's the power.

1509
01:46:17.760 --> 01:46:18.779
Go, go!

1510
01:46:18.899 --> 01:46:21.600
30 seconds thrust, Maxi.

1511
01:46:22.380 --> 01:46:24.359
Switching command.

1512
01:46:24.720 --> 01:46:27.060
Maximum power on all drives.

1513
01:46:28.020 --> 01:46:30.600
Max 7 now.

1514
01:46:39.659 --> 01:46:46.979
Let's just figure out I'll go first, and then it's alphabetic order, which means it's me, Colin.

1515
01:46:48.600 --> 01:46:50.039
Nathan James.

1516
01:46:51.960 --> 01:46:52.500
James.

1517
01:46:52.500 --> 01:46:53.279
Okay.

1518
01:46:53.340 --> 01:46:55.920
And then Cy, Simon, Peter.

1519
01:46:55.979 --> 01:46:56.520
Okay.

1520
01:46:56.520 --> 01:46:58.500
Si, Simon, Pete, Peter is the end.

1521
01:46:58.560 --> 01:46:59.640
Psi doing this.

1522
01:46:59.699 --> 01:47:01.739
Can't sign do alphabetical order?

1523
01:47:02.819 --> 01:47:05.100
Okay. have to do this.

1524
01:47:05.159 --> 01:47:06.659
All right.

1525
01:47:06.720 --> 01:47:08.039
So I'm have to sign them.

1526
01:47:08.460 --> 01:47:09.899
Yes.

1527
01:47:09.899 --> 01:47:13.319
No, you're before...

1528
01:47:13.319 --> 01:47:14.220
No, you're before pizza.

1529
01:47:14.340 --> 01:47:14.939
Before Peter.

1530
01:47:15.000 --> 01:47:15.239
Yes.

1531
01:47:17.159 --> 01:47:17.939
Nathan before Peter.

1532
01:47:18.000 --> 01:47:19.500
Yeah, alphabetical.

1533
01:47:19.560 --> 01:47:20.640
Oh, Pete Peter Simon.

1534
01:47:20.699 --> 01:47:21.539
Yes, Pete Peter.

1535
01:47:21.600 --> 01:47:22.260
So I'm last, right?

1536
01:47:22.319 --> 01:47:22.560
Yes.

1537
01:47:22.560 --> 01:47:22.800
Yes.

1538
01:47:22.859 --> 01:47:23.159
All right.

1539
01:47:23.220 --> 01:47:25.140
So after you, I do the Blake gag.

1540
01:47:25.199 --> 01:47:25.979
Okay, let's do that.

1541
01:47:26.039 --> 01:47:26.880
Okay.

1542
01:47:30.539 --> 01:47:42.420
Hello, dear listener and welcome back to Maximum Power, the only Blake 7 podcast that doesn't have a special intro this episode because we got renewed during a continuity announcement.

1543
01:47:42.479 --> 01:47:43.619
I'm Brendan.

1544
01:47:43.680 --> 01:47:45.600
I'm James I'm Cole.

1545
01:47:45.720 --> 01:47:46.979
So sorry.

1546
01:47:47.039 --> 01:47:47.760
I fucked already.

1547
01:47:49.739 --> 01:47:51.420
Anyway.

1548
01:47:53.039 --> 01:47:55.920
Okay, my noisy neighbours have just passed.

1549
01:47:55.979 --> 01:47:57.539
I had a more exciting title than animals.

1550
01:47:58.920 --> 01:48:03.239
Yeah, my noisy neighbours are just passing, but they'll be in their door in a moment.

1551
01:48:03.420 --> 01:48:05.699
What planet's animal said?

1552
01:48:05.760 --> 01:48:07.500
Buccol 2 Buccol.

1553
01:48:07.500 --> 01:48:08.880
We'd have been called Bisto.

1554
01:48:11.220 --> 01:48:14.340
Buccult too sounds like something you buy from a farmer.

1555
01:48:14.399 --> 01:48:15.119
Yeah, it does.

1556
01:48:15.420 --> 01:48:19.739
Well, I was going to make a funny joke about something, but I decided not to.

1557
01:48:19.800 --> 01:48:24.659
I was going to say space fall initially, but there was going to be a cum gag in there.

1558
01:48:24.720 --> 01:48:26.039
So maybe we should cut that.

1559
01:48:27.600 --> 01:48:30.180
Oh, is a cum gag and death watch.

1560
01:48:30.239 --> 01:48:33.300
Cali, I'm ready to come up now.

1561
01:48:35.819 --> 01:48:37.979
I need to change my trout.

1562
01:48:38.039 --> 01:48:38.819
Sorry, go on.

1563
01:48:39.359 --> 01:48:44.100
And of course, it's all about June Hudson's costumes, really, isn't it?

1564
01:48:44.159 --> 01:48:45.659
That's what I you know, completely.

1565
01:48:45.779 --> 01:48:46.140
Yeah.

1566
01:48:46.140 --> 01:48:49.199
And who's making episodes are yet to come?

1567
01:48:49.260 --> 01:48:51.779
We might have a commentary.

1568
01:48:52.319 --> 01:48:56.340
It's only because you want to do give justice to gambit Pete.

1569
01:48:56.399 --> 01:48:58.439
Yeah, if we're doing least favourite episodes.

1570
01:48:58.500 --> 01:49:00.600
It's gambit because everyone else was...

1571
01:49:00.600 --> 01:49:01.500
I'll be on that one.

1572
01:49:03.060 --> 01:49:05.579
You were horrible about camera.

1573
01:49:07.800 --> 01:49:09.420
So boring.

1574
01:49:09.479 --> 01:49:10.619
Maybe we should get...

1575
01:49:10.619 --> 01:49:12.960
It's probably the most overrated episode actually.

1576
01:49:14.279 --> 01:49:16.380
Just an off-mike moment.

1577
01:49:16.439 --> 01:49:18.420
Did anyone have to switch their choice because someone else said it.

1578
01:49:18.479 --> 01:49:19.079
No.

1579
01:49:19.079 --> 01:49:19.439
No.

1580
01:49:19.500 --> 01:49:20.100
Wow.

1581
01:49:20.100 --> 01:49:22.020
I was going to choose the web.

1582
01:49:22.079 --> 01:49:23.039
Oh okay.

1583
01:49:23.399 --> 01:49:27.300
Well, like, Colin, you think Gan should have been replaced with a decimal.

1584
01:49:27.539 --> 01:49:36.539
I always think that actually Star one is the best episode of Blake 7, but Terminal is my favourite and the 2 are slightly different.

1585
01:49:36.600 --> 01:49:43.800
I think Star one is just so confident and brilliant and tense, but terminal's got my heart.

1586
01:49:43.859 --> 01:49:45.779
Well, the Gale of Star one is amazing.

1587
01:49:45.840 --> 01:49:46.800
Music.

1588
01:49:46.800 --> 01:49:48.359
Yeah, that's what's interesting about it.

1589
01:49:48.420 --> 01:49:51.239
Suddenly, there's this world, you know, that we haven't had.

1590
01:49:51.300 --> 01:49:53.939
They did throw everything and the kitchen sink out.

1591
01:49:54.000 --> 01:49:54.420
Yeah.

1592
01:49:55.439 --> 01:49:56.579
They literally did.

1593
01:49:56.640 --> 01:49:58.140
Supermarket pizza.

1594
01:49:58.199 --> 01:50:03.420
It's an episode of Blake 7 that's written by the script editor and directed by the producer.

1595
01:50:03.539 --> 01:50:04.500
Yeah, yeah.

1596
01:50:04.560 --> 01:50:05.399
Yeah.

1597
01:50:05.399 --> 01:50:11.039
So this is me realising that that was my moment for doing a thing that I forgot to do.

1598
01:50:11.100 --> 01:50:14.939
Well, do it now, because we do the thing called editing.

1599
01:50:16.859 --> 01:50:18.239
What?

1600
01:50:18.300 --> 01:50:19.140
All this time?

1601
01:50:19.140 --> 01:50:20.460
I could have been there.

1602
01:50:20.579 --> 01:50:29.340
Maybe we should have a chat to Toby ahead of the series head of the series C box set and say, hey, what about a fan commentary on Moloch?

1603
01:50:30.720 --> 01:50:34.199
I'd do it in a heartbeat.

1604
01:50:35.279 --> 01:50:37.500
Give that to your women.

1605
01:50:37.560 --> 01:50:38.039
Right.