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Maximum power.

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Welcome to a very special episode of Maximum Power, which, in the finest tradition of Blake 7, had some location work recorded up front before being completed with a studio session later, but you won't be able to spot whether our hair has grown a little in between the two.

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Coming up, there's another of our exclusive interviews with the maestro of new model work as maximum power listener, Chris Thompson, takes us on an audio tour of his spacecraft hardware store.

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But first, we'll put you down and safe at the BFI in London, where 7 podcasters convened in a space corridor to try and review the series 2 Blu-ray launch event, only to be joined by a mysterious stranger on a quest for the last of the free promo postcards.

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It was none other than liberator recreator model man Richard Ashton, who very generously joins us to give an impromptu interview.

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So we hope you enjoy our series B, Blu ray special.

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Welcome to Maximum Power.

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I'm Pete.

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I'm Tom.

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I'm Dan.

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Cole.

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I'm Zoe.

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I'm Hannah.

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And I'm sorry.

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And we have just seen Redemption and Star one in their revitalised and soup top versions.

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What are people's 1st thoughts?

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I mean, I mean, firstly, they picked 2 of the best episodes in the series.

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Maybe not everyone's favourite episodes, but certainly I think Star One is probably one of the best in the series.

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I struggle with redemption purely because I'm like, that's what in what sense is that redemption?

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When Blake goes, they want it back. kind of redemption.

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That's not what it means.

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I don't... because the episode...

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Simon Cattroll downstairs was pointing out, maybe it's like redeeming a coupon and that's...

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George Blake 7 episodes based on their titles.

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I guess.

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I guess.

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But they're into a strict format of one to 2 words, most of the time, except occasionally when we need to make them a bit longer.

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Giving back the liberator is not quite so catchy, is it?

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No, yeah, yeah.

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The deliberation.

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Deliberate as well.

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Sorry, I've forgotten that.

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Yeah, so what do you think is the new effects?

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The effects particularly, I think, for redemption were brilliant.

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The space battle at the start is more dynamic than it's ever been before.

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But I think what really stood out for me was the entry into Space World and the and the exit of Space World.

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Just the things like the little clamping walkway, the fact that in quite subtly in the, when once we're in the nuclear power station on location, they've augmented those scenes and you can see the back of the liberator, we're going in through that door.

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So that is the back of the liberation.

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So you get to see the big green bulb in some of the scenes.

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So things like that.

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Those backing things is kind of what's to that, to me, it feels like it's like, we know it's filmed on location and we know where it is, most of us, but it felt like it gave it a better sense of scale of like, oh, no, just all these little background things. you can see going on.

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Oh, it feels like we really are here and it's one that probably bears a bit more to repeat viewing now. like you'll spot things in the background as you're sort of, you know, once you've seen these a few times, you're looking at other stuff as well.

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And these all add to it.

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Yeah, I agree.

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I think it grounded it in a more real kind of situation that actually we could believe that the liberator was actually in there and it does make it a little bit more room.

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I really loved the speed at which it would, they injected into it, like the planet really going fast, them going by the planet, so it felt much more tense.

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But I also love the idea that those 2 pursuit ships they had with the same models.

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They just really, really, really clean them up.

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Yeah, that's just like really good CGR really good new models, brand new moulds, but it's like, no, no, we just washed these.

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I can't really tell what's model, what's CGI, and I, like, it's basically they're trying to say what could they have achieved at the time if they had more money and a bit fancier lighting and more time.

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I talk to a few people here of about another sci-fi series that's also had replacement things, but in, this feels like it enhances stuff and adds to it, and like you say, Tom, gels much more with what potentially could have been done at the time rather than just being like slightly fancier replacement.

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And Matt Levon was asked a bit, oh, could you have done this stuff?

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at the time and it's kind of like, yeah, with a lot more time and money.

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We could have because it'd have used different techniques, but like modern techniques mean that we can do it a lot easier and quicker.

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Yeah, when they got him and Chris on stage and they were saying something about removing the wires.

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And like they were saying, yeah, we could either just do this.

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There's a thing we could do to the wires while we're doing this shooting that will take ages and it will get rid of the wires.

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And Chris was like, yeah, I can just do that in post.

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You don't need to bother.

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And they were like, fantastic, because that gave them more time to work on the models and get the best out of the models.

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Yeah, and yet you can still tell that that spaceship was made out of 2 hairdryers, which just adds to the charm.

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It got a lovely sort of chuckle, but a very warm chuckle of love.

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Change the design, like the spaceships at the end.

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They were very clear on like, we're going to recreate what it was originally.

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This was close fear when we were on the train this morning that we were going to replace one Fisher Price invasion set with a slightly augmented Fisher Price invasion set.

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They've been very successful in that.

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Yeah, I mean, Matt was hilarious from saying, you know, finally, we can finally, we can do it with really good spaceships. like, no, we're recreating them exactly as they were, but in slightly higher definition in plastic cutlery.

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Only my light is, you know, the liberated design.

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Some elements of that appeared inside the nuclear power station when you when they just panned out.

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Yeah, you see the back end of it, yeah.

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It's like the greeny glow and other little bits.

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Yeah, and they didn't have to do that.

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So I think they're going to be above and beyond to make it look the best it can or just to sell the world.

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I've never noticed the go faster stripes.

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They stick on the nuclear power station as you're walking around.

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This is cool.

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And it's tiny little details.

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I noticed when they did the Instar one, when the screen goes off after the report of the 2 spaceships, it just had the word rapport underneath it. and that just a bit, it's just a tiny...

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They didn't have to do that, but it just makes it...

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And yes.

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I thought I just failed to notice it on every previous viewing.

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That's how good it was.

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It made me think it had been there all the time.

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And the way they worked on the sort of footage of all the planet.

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So it wasn't just the stock footage.

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They'd got someone out in a trooper costume.

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Just recording little bits or there was a broken model or something in there.

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Yeah, sorry, just to continue on that.

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It was, I love the way there was like a Federation guard in every shot.

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Just to imply continuing to imply the control, the dystopia, just everywhere I thought.

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That was a really nice touch.

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Yeah, there's one over there.

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The pan with the snow where they'd got the domes with the with the palm trees outside.

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It's just really, really great because it gels the world together. that dialogue about, oh, our tropical fruit.

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It always gets a laugh, that one.

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Yeah, and you've got to remember, like, Chris and Matt, they were saying, you know, we still have to do 6 shots a day or 12 shots a day, like they did back then.

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But they're really putting more work into it.

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I saw one of the when it went to one of those abandoned planets, or you know, not environmental disaster planets, on the newsreel that Servlan's watching, they had one of those ships in the style of the London, but it had a sign on it saying the Belfast.

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I think that's the little nod from our FXC.

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My eyes were probably going because I thought it said series 2.

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No, it would be B. Everyone said two. under my breath every time.

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I could hear the game.

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Can you hear like a...

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I was being James for that.

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And so then, yeah, so then we jump from one end to the other with Star one.

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Which again, like we said about the spaceships, has had a lot of work done, but yeah, it feels it's really fitting.

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It just, it didn't look like they were trying to redo it.

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They're just trying to do it as it could have been.

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No, I mean, the model shots at the start are just subtly, slightly better.

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So there were lights on the models, things like that.

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The crash was a bit more intense.

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It was just a bit more faster cutting that they could do.

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What I really liked actually was the liberator around Star one.

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There's an amazing shot where it starts at the top of the planet and pans down with the liberator across the equator and it's just beautiful.

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I think the new liberator model that they've built to do these shots for series B is really detailed, really beautiful, and that comes across in all of the new footage.

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But then Matt said a lot of his original ones is series, like some of the spaceships in Killer, was it?

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and Redemption, like still, were the original models that they could be photographed with.

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That's right.

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It's amazing.

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Yeah, the lead, yeah, the lead federation pursuit ship is still the original one that they built in 1977.

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Oh, that shut of Space Command as well.

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Yeah, with all the all the ships around.

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Yes, and a couple more Scorpios.

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Was there a Jerry Anderson star one?

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not sure.

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Chris alluded to that, didn't we?

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So Easter eggs, I think.

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When we interview him, we'd have to ask him.

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We'll find out, yeah.

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Stay tuned.

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But for space commander, though, they've done the CGI version.

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They've still kept like the coat hanger.

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Like it's slightly thinner than it does. much less like an actual coat number, but I love that they've sort of kept that detail.

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Because there is a, there's an argument like, do you replace that fleet of ships with something out of Battle Socker, whatever, or do you make it look like just, there's more of them and the, you know, moving a bit differently and I think they made the right call.

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I think it look really good.

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And they changed it, like the changes of design slightly.

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They were saying the paper.

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Have you do you not want to talk about the paper craft?

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You've got to.

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Yeah, we should explain that, yeah.

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Which seems really low tech, but the guy was outside showing us them.

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And yeah, they look really realistic and they're made out of card and...

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Callum from Blake 7 paper craft to seeing sharing stuff on various Facebook grooms.

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They got him to recreate the fleet.

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Because obviously, you know, 50 odd random models that don't survive anymore and to do it for real rather than CG.

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There's CG in the background, but...

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And they're the tiny little ones that are filling out the stream, basically.

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And they're just...

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How the hell you can see all the definition on the original and then recreate it?

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Never feel so nerdy as when, like, I'm just drooling over some spaceships.

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Should have made them darlic ships.

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Sorry, I'm not I don't recognise that word on this podcast.

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And it was great to have with us in person, whoever they were.

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Who cares?

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Is he here every day?

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I think he just lives at BFI now.

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He lives in a cupboard and they can...

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He's always great. need it, Mark.

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Yeah, and as you said, you know, he hasn't done 5.1 around some mixers or anything with these, it's just about tidying it up and clearing out the drops and things.

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I know it's one thing.

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The sound level in the space donut place is like a weird humming the whole time.

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There's like space tillitters.

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Is that is that more, is that more this?

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That's the noise of the of the Andromedons.

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It's the aliens.

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That's how you know that they're there.

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It's that bubbling noise all the time when those characters are wrong.

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No, it's just the air con in...

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Both places had their own noise because on the Star one, they had a different humming.

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Yes.

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I mean, we had the 2 stars who are still able to join us. in fine form. absolutely.

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We have Brian Darling at the start.

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Oh, yeah, that was nice, wasn't it?

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A special message from Brian Croucher.

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Yeah, who's interviewed on the, we saw a bit of the interview with Matthew Sweet.

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Yeah.

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That was good.

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That was very funny.

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Yeah.

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Well, the guy lists all the cards.

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No, the postcards.

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I think you might have done it.

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If you ask at the box office, they may have some.

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They might still have some.

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I built the liberator.

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We're literally just talking about how fantastic it looks for our podcast to be recording.

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Oh, thank you someone.

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Yeah, isn't it?

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So you're happy with what they've done to your baby?

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Um, I've seen, because obviously I work, um, I work heavily with Chris and stuff.

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It was like, um, I did have long to build her.

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It was like 2.5 months.

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I built 3 footer and I built a one footer.

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Wow.

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And then I build a freighter in the style of Ian Scones, that's the original, what's it called now?

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Original London.

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We have the original drawings for the original London.

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If you look at season one, we redid.

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When the London takes off in the background, you'll see a red version of the in Skoon's design.

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So what we wanted to do, we wanted to take it to the next level.

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So, You know the episode's better than bloody.

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The one where they go up and they plague shit.

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Oh, yeah, killer.

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Killer.

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Killer.

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Killer.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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So I built the freighter that go originally it used to be like a Saturn 5 rocket that went up.

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Now we've got a proper shit that goes up.

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Oh, wow.

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Oh, wow.

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And he actually worked on Blake Seven, as well as Alien, Outland, Flash Gordon, Space Precinct, and his name is Bill Pearson.

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And Bill Pearson said, to have to be a model maker, the greatest thing is, to have your work on screen is the closest thing to immortality.

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And I witnessed that today.

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I tell you, when, because you've never, you know, you didn't know the sequence, but when the liberator, when that boulder goes around, the rock flies out the way and the later comes flying towards the screen.

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I've seen that shot so many times.

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And he's trimmed it and trimmed it and then I got to sit in my head.

220
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Yeah, okay, I get you now, both.

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Cheers, Victory.

222
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Amazing.

223
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So, can we include your comments in our podcast?

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Are you recording now?

225
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You're literally a live intervention.

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We're not live.

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We're not putting it out for a couple of snow. the best.

228
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Yeah.

229
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Sorry.

230
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I I didn't know I was just over like, what were those cars?

231
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Whereas we're like, we wish we weren't too shy to go and ask someone to come on our podcast.

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Have you ever listened to maximum power?

233
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No, no, it's the ones that...

234
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But the thing about this is it's like I've been a model maker all my life since the age of eight.

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My dream was to see my work on screen.

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And it took me to a mine 54.

237
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I don't know, which This is a bit of a...

238
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And then you see it...

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On the big scrot of it.

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And then I was the worst critics I were going.

241
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You know, the last bit on, on, um, Star, Star one, Star, and it, and it's going past.

242
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I was the, everyone's probably were like, oh, man.

243
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No, well, that is good.

244
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What are you looking out for when you look when you peer at it like that?

245
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Are you looking for the right shading?

246
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Is it the lighting?

247
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Or just make sure I haven't balls.

248
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Well, like I say, when I was when I was building her, I built her over last Christmas.

249
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Yeah.

250
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So did you build it for this series or last series because I think...

251
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Right, this series.

252
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This is all new for series 2.

253
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Series two?

254
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Yeah, because I think...

255
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Chris said the one... was like the original or something...

256
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It was a fan made one, I think.

257
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Yes, it?

258
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Yeah, it was.

259
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This is this is how sad we are when we were doing that film.

260
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Yeah, we are filming there on my friend's farm.

261
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Oh wow.

262
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And it's on a stool.

263
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You'll see this in Killer, and then the ship will take off, but we filmed a natural...

264
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The clear blue sky, though.

265
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So there's nothing better than natural light on a subject.

266
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So that I built that.

267
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But no, um, yeah, I built it last Christmas, so basically what it was.

268
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No disrespect to the previous model, though.

269
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He built the liberator according to the plans that were available, sadly, they were wrong.

270
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And also, some of the dimensions weren't right.

271
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No disrespect to him.

272
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He did a great job.

273
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He built that liberator as a display piece.

274
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But is that because there was there was improvisation done back in the 70s when they were making it, so it didn't quite adhere to the plans.

275
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There's a problem.

276
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Right.

277
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The history of the liberation is very simple.

278
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It was made by space models.

279
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It was delivered to Martin Bauer, who detailed it and painted it.

280
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Yeah.

281
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Then all the things with man Roland.

282
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Don't want go into that.

283
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But the end of the day is, that was that.

284
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Then Martin made a new liberator.

285
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It may be parts of the original, it may be parts of something else.

286
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We don't want to go there.

287
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Anyway, because I, I'm good friends with... controversies.

288
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What I'm saying is the liberator itself.

289
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Martin did his own interpretation.

290
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Sorry, he put hatches on there.

291
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He redid some of the paintwork on there. in different styles that was not the original.

292
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So everybody else looked at this one.

293
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I went, well, that's that's liberator.

294
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So I felt, therefore, I, you have, this is the one you follow.

295
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This model itself, really nice model.

296
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But it was done.

297
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There's 2 styles of modelling.

298
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You do modelling for shooting and you do modelling for display.

299
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A model a display model is usually painted in the style that the model looks on the screen.

300
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The shooting model is painted darker because you're going to hit it with high key lies, so it will bleach out all the detail.

301
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So what I had to do is, I went with Chris and I says, you know, we need Chris is, oh, we need to build the liberator.

302
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Fine. amazing.

303
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Sure.

304
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Okay.

305
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High bar, because the real fans will want me on the end of a, on a road. don't do it right.

306
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And I'm like, I'm going to get this right.

307
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So I've got good friends who are like really nerd doesn't quite come into it.

308
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Anal, anal, we probably know that.

309
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They know everything.

310
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Yeah, every respect.

311
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And it was like, I knew a lot of the detail.

312
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So I was like, okay.

313
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And then Chris got a load of reference and he says, right, we have to build this liberator.

314
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This is currently Oktobertime.

315
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We're gonna go with the fashion of, and he worked out how he wanted it mounting because we wanted to side mount it so he could flight over camera.

316
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We wanted to mount it in such a way we can have it side on.

317
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We can flip the image, we can make it do things that the original miniature couldn't do.

318
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Because it was sentimounted underneath the fan.

319
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So we didn't want that.

320
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So this had 2 mountain points.

321
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I actually said went.

322
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I thought it should have three, but we went with the 2 and obviously it's worked, which is an underneath mounted point, which is on the solar panels, so you can pop a solar panel out.

323
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It's got a mountain point in there, that goes in there.

324
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But the solar panel itself is missing a bit.

325
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So you wouldn't, you wouldn't know.

326
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Then the top soul panels, they pop out.

327
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And it's got white forks.

328
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So you put these 2 forks in, and that mounts and goes on the back and that gets mounted on an arm, and then you and it's solid.

329
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Solid doesn't run.

330
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So we waited till that.

331
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And obviously we moving with the times.

332
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So due to the time limit, I had to build this.

333
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It was like, okay, so, I can't build it the old-fashioned conventional way of getting EMA parts, going pipe, whatever, cutting to length, machining pieces, making ends.

334
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So, right.

335
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I says, well, Chris, tell you what we'll do.

336
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Well, 3D printer.

337
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Oh wow.

338
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So Chris got the original images.

339
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And then made a model from the original, so he could get the angles because the hardest thing to get right on the liberator is the front nose section.

340
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Some people do it too fat.

341
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It's coming in at an angle and it just drops down the towers and then it flows down.

342
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So we got that right.

343
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We've got everything on out one and I went, right.

344
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So he says, are you happy with that?

345
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I went, right, I says, well, I want 2 slots down everywhere.

346
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Everyone of the pylons for strength.

347
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So it holds it self correct.

348
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Right, great.

349
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Got that fabulous.

350
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Then he sent all the files.

351
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To my friend, and we printed it in PLA, which is a hard plastic.

352
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Um, and it's in sections.

353
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There's no detail on it.

354
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She's just all smooth.

355
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Right.

356
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And then it's like, right.

357
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Okay, so we've got the shape.

358
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Everything there.

359
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The back end, the clear engine set, that was clear, clear resin, we did that.

360
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But everything else is PLI.

361
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So then the 1st job is you have to you have to car body filler it and then fill a primer and sand it and blend it.

362
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So we got a nice, perfectly smooth mob.

363
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And then he gave me all the reference material. that I've got of all the different angles, all the different sides and everything, even the underside, which I've never seen.

364
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And the hardest side to see is the side opposite camera because she always flies from left to right.

365
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You hardly see a fly from right to left.

366
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So the only shot I have of that I got from the swap shop thing. you know, when when he brought the onto there and it was positioned that way.

367
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And there's a zoom in and now like, and then obviously it's like, because we already had the 1st season out on Blu-ray.

368
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That's really...

369
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Grab, grab.

370
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And then he sent me some more shots of liberator that had been finished by Martin and they'd just been delivered to studio.

371
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So I had, and I even had underneath shots of Liberator.

372
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So I was like, it's just, that would be great.

373
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We can do this.

374
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We can do this.

375
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So it was a case of I was cutting out plastic card pieces, building the panel work on the body, as Martin, as Martin, or Martin Bower would have done, when he got the model delivered to him.

376
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So I did all that.

377
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Then I made, um, I airbrushed.

378
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So it's all airbrushed.

379
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But the base colour of the liberator is for diamond white.

380
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So you spray it the 4 diamond white and give that a couple of days, the paint to harden and so.

381
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And then you start painting.

382
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And I started painting her in November.

383
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I carried on painting through November into December into January.

384
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I had one day off for Christmas or I worked 8, 8, maybe more than 8 hours a day on her.

385
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And then finished.

386
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I think it was the 20th, Chris came over on the 20th to collect the liberator.

387
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In that time, I built 2 liberators and the freighter.

388
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And I, and you, I will literally spend a day on a pylon.

389
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So I would mask everything out, work everything out and paint and paint.

390
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She's got pieces on her from girder bridge, the girder bridge sections.

391
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There is, um, what else?

392
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There's Space 999 markets on...

393
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Oh fantastic.

394
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We would just say it was one of them called one of them is called the Belfast in this.

395
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Was that a little thing for?

396
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That's crispy.

397
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If you watch any big finish, because obviously Christa's big finish, it's not done as much because he's been so overloaded by doing stuff for Anderson Entertainment as well as BBC Studios.

398
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If you watch any of the the trailers of the TARDIS, and you'll see the TARDIS fly over the UK. always ends up landing in Belfast.

399
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So that's why it's called Belfast.

400
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That's why he does.

401
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It looks amazing.

402
00:25:36.779 --> 00:25:40.500
Are you quite critical when you watch it back?

403
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Are you looking, are you looking?

404
00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:43.200
You're the most critical of your own work.

405
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Because end of day, I mean, how many hours I put into that damn thing?

406
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You always need more hours.

407
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The back section, my only people make criticise this.

408
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It's my little into the model.

409
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Okay.

410
00:25:59.339 --> 00:26:03.839
The back section, there's a ribbing section on the back.

411
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It's like grilling.

412
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And they never liked it.

413
00:26:07.259 --> 00:26:12.660
It looked, it just looked like an afterthought, and I didn't like it at all.

414
00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:21.180
So I, what I've done is I repaneled the back, the backside of that thing took me ages to paint.

415
00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:29.819
It was a, I looked at it and I had to study it and work out back to front how to paint it.

416
00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:31.740
So that, all right, sorry, started that.

417
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So, right.

418
00:26:32.279 --> 00:26:34.259
So if I take that layer of paint off, what do I get?

419
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:36.299
Take that layer of paint off, what do I get?

420
00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:38.579
And then I worked it back and I went, right, ah.

421
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So I find paint mask, that paint that bit, right.

422
00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:44.099
Then we do the next, then we do the next, then we do the next.

423
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:47.640
The thing that got me about the original liberator.

424
00:26:47.700 --> 00:26:55.440
And I know it's down to time and I know it's down to money, was the lining on the back of the ball, it was done in tape. see it.

425
00:26:55.500 --> 00:26:57.359
You can see the crinkles.

426
00:26:57.420 --> 00:27:08.400
And I were like, So I masked all the back end of the section and all painted all them lines on to make it all.

427
00:27:08.460 --> 00:27:10.259
So you wouldn't get any creases.

428
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:11.279
Oh, come on.

429
00:27:12.539 --> 00:27:15.960
This is the enterprise of the UK, Chrome. absolutely.

430
00:27:16.019 --> 00:27:18.359
Better than the Enterprise. much better.

431
00:27:18.420 --> 00:27:24.660
Yeah, there's 2 famous spaceships in UK TV is the TARDIS and the Liberator.

432
00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:27.000
Yeah, flying the flag.

433
00:27:27.059 --> 00:27:28.079
I know.

434
00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:31.980
Well, there is a little Easter egg on my liberator.

435
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Talking about flying the fly.

436
00:27:33.900 --> 00:27:34.200
Yeah.

437
00:27:34.259 --> 00:27:47.039
Right at the back, underneath, the back section, there's agreeably, which we call this greeable. is a famous Greeboo that's used on the front of Thunderbird 2s pods.

438
00:27:47.099 --> 00:27:49.619
It's been used on this, that's a bloody other.

439
00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:52.440
I didn't realise it was actually on it's on Liberator.

440
00:27:52.500 --> 00:27:54.119
It's underneath Liberator.

441
00:27:54.180 --> 00:27:56.279
So there's a piece on the liberal.

442
00:27:56.339 --> 00:27:57.059
Was it on the original?

443
00:27:57.180 --> 00:27:58.740
Yes, on the original, it was.

444
00:27:58.799 --> 00:27:59.700
So on the original.

445
00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:02.279
It's this grebly piece that's from the Girder Bridge.

446
00:28:02.339 --> 00:28:04.380
That goes underneath and behind it.

447
00:28:05.819 --> 00:28:08.160
I've done a quarter of the union flag.

448
00:28:11.460 --> 00:28:14.039
It's a British it's a British ship.

449
00:28:14.099 --> 00:28:18.599
So it did look absolutely fantastic in the shots we saw today.

450
00:28:18.660 --> 00:28:20.160
Yeah, really busy.

451
00:28:20.220 --> 00:28:23.759
I mean, I wanted to do A, I wanted to do the fans proud.

452
00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:26.579
I wanted to do this.

453
00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:33.059
No, no, because under day, you think, if I do a terrible job, you won't buy the Blu-ray.

454
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:34.740
No, if you decided it looked better based.

455
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:35.579
No, I lose work.

456
00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:38.640
Yeah, the best job I can for you guys.

457
00:28:38.700 --> 00:28:41.160
And there's always some people pointing out things.

458
00:28:41.220 --> 00:28:42.240
You'll never please everybody.

459
00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:50.039
But if I can please the majority of people with what you, I give them, then they can go, I like that.

460
00:28:50.099 --> 00:28:50.640
That's nice.

461
00:28:54.480 --> 00:29:00.180
And also you'll, when you get the Blu-ray yourself and you watch a lot of the shots, I'll give you a test.

462
00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:05.880
Find, tell me which one is the one is the one foot.

463
00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:07.740
Liberator.

464
00:29:07.740 --> 00:29:10.799
And the 3 foot liberator.

465
00:29:10.859 --> 00:29:17.460
Because some shots, Chris has used the one foot liberator where I thought he was using the 3 foot liberator.

466
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:18.000
Wow.

467
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:21.240
And if you think that, I didn't realise it was hard enough to tell.

468
00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:24.539
Because I actually said to Chris, I will like Chris, because I've got the scissor reel.

469
00:29:24.539 --> 00:29:27.660
And I'm going through it, I'm going, so you're happy where have you seen?

470
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:29.519
I'm going, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's really good.

471
00:29:29.579 --> 00:29:30.059
That's really good.

472
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:31.200
I said, yeah, yeah, yeah.

473
00:29:31.259 --> 00:29:31.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

474
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:32.579
Yeah.

475
00:29:32.700 --> 00:29:33.960
Not seen much of the foot one.

476
00:29:34.019 --> 00:29:36.779
It's only been about 5 shots, Richmond.

477
00:29:37.140 --> 00:29:38.880
I didn't realise that.

478
00:29:38.940 --> 00:29:40.920
It shows how detailed it is.

479
00:29:40.980 --> 00:29:53.940
Well, that's what I mean, what we had was, Chris had a small liberator and he used it for season one for some of the distance shots and they showed it me and I were like, come on, Chris.

480
00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:55.859
We can do better that.

481
00:29:55.980 --> 00:29:59.759
And you were like, well, we ain't got much time.

482
00:29:59.819 --> 00:30:07.079
I says, I tell you what, we'll print another one out because we've got it already on the computer, but we'll print this one in resin.

483
00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:13.680
We'll go through the same process of how we've done it, and then, and I will just do the same.

484
00:30:13.980 --> 00:30:16.500
But in minute, but smaller.

485
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:18.660
God, I don't know why I did it.

486
00:30:19.259 --> 00:30:21.900
It was all worth it.

487
00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:24.240
In the back of Liberator, in big was hard.

488
00:30:24.299 --> 00:30:26.519
So now try and do it this size.

489
00:30:26.579 --> 00:30:28.680
So it's from that.

490
00:30:28.740 --> 00:30:30.960
And then, because since done, I've done that.

491
00:30:31.019 --> 00:30:35.099
I'm now working on Doctor Who. as well, so I'm doing classic Doctor Who models as well.

492
00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:36.720
Have you done the TARDIS said as well?

493
00:30:36.779 --> 00:30:37.980
I can't say anything.

494
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:41.339
You can't...

495
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:42.299
I'm not allowed.

496
00:30:42.420 --> 00:30:44.759
No, it's always worth asking, just in case.

497
00:30:44.819 --> 00:30:46.140
No, it's not, but there is...

498
00:30:46.140 --> 00:30:49.500
Presumably, they've got the model now for series C.

499
00:30:49.619 --> 00:30:52.920
The guys have filmed a good portion of it.

500
00:30:52.980 --> 00:30:58.980
We have had, we wanted Travis's ship, and the yellow shit.

501
00:30:59.579 --> 00:31:14.519
So I'm building that, and I'm slightly redesigning it to give it a little bit more thing, and I've got to build a section of the liberator, the underside, because she's coming in and she's going to dock under me.

502
00:31:14.579 --> 00:31:21.839
Well, the thing about that is the hardest thing, this is how...

503
00:31:21.900 --> 00:31:27.900
Because I'm always a stickler for quality accuracy and detail.

504
00:31:28.140 --> 00:31:30.059
Everything is in the detail.

505
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:31.140
Finishes everything.

506
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:47.160
I was always told, finishes everything, work and meticulously get that finish because if you don't, you can make a crap model, look brilliant with a great paint job, but you can make a great model, terrible with a crap painter.

507
00:31:47.220 --> 00:31:47.579
Right.

508
00:31:47.579 --> 00:31:51.420
So you can do all the prep, do all the building, you can throw it all away.

509
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:53.759
So, I'm doing that.

510
00:31:53.819 --> 00:31:55.319
I've got that shit to this spot.

511
00:31:55.380 --> 00:31:57.359
I also got to make the underside of Lin.

512
00:31:57.420 --> 00:32:01.259
So that's going to be interesting because we've got to work out the size of the spaceship.

513
00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:05.099
Now, the original was about this big, so that's about 2 foot.

514
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:07.140
I'm doing a foot long one.

515
00:32:07.380 --> 00:32:10.920
And also I'm going to build some of the liberator.

516
00:32:10.980 --> 00:32:13.619
So I've got to work out the curve.

517
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:20.099
Now, originally when they did, when they did the original, they wouldn't be bothered that.

518
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:30.480
They just do a flat surface, but I want, I want you to see a gradual curb, and then I'm going to pinpoint a piece on the liberator the underside.

519
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:32.039
And then just go.

520
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:36.359
And make that a docking hatch and everything.

521
00:32:36.420 --> 00:32:39.420
Right, yeah, give it some nice green leaves on it and stuff like that.

522
00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:40.740
Fantastic.

523
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:44.519
But yeah, and then obviously I've got Scorpio to build.

524
00:32:44.579 --> 00:32:45.720
2 Scorpios.

525
00:32:45.779 --> 00:32:50.759
I've got all the reference for Scorpio, so I've got 4 foot and a 2 foot to build and a crashing.

526
00:32:50.819 --> 00:32:51.839
Oh, of course.

527
00:32:51.900 --> 00:32:52.200
Yeah.

528
00:32:52.259 --> 00:32:53.339
Yeah, we doing it right.

529
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:56.460
That bluepeeter train set is going to be crashed in too.

530
00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:58.140
Like it's never been crushed into before.

531
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:03.539
The thing about it is, Chris, I feel it's quite funny because me and my tuck were talking about this.

532
00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:07.500
We went, we have raised the bar from season one to season one.

533
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:08.519
This is your problem now, yeah.

534
00:33:08.700 --> 00:33:12.720
We've got expectations now, mate.

535
00:33:12.779 --> 00:33:14.880
I mean, and also, you know what's coming up.

536
00:33:14.940 --> 00:33:28.380
And the lovely thing about it is Matt Irvine, he's always been cautious about this because it's his baby and I get that and he's carried this all this length of time and now we're just coming in a good.

537
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:30.180
I'll play with that.

538
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:30.960
You know what I mean?

539
00:33:31.019 --> 00:33:34.680
And you would get very protective because in that's yours.

540
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:37.859
And he never watched any of the shows.

541
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:39.420
He never watched the series.

542
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:41.099
It was his job.

543
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:42.539
Yeah, not his job.

544
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:43.740
Yeah, he's not a fan.

545
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:48.960
No, he's finally saw these 2 episodes that we've done.

546
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:50.640
He's watched it.

547
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:53.819
And him and Mike Tucker.

548
00:33:54.420 --> 00:33:59.700
Look at me, Chris, and the gang as the future VFX, guys.

549
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:00.180
Fantastic.

550
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:15.480
And it's like, get on from these people who did it in the 70s and 80s with Red Dwarf, Doctor Who, Blake 7, tripods, but, you know, it's all that, it's, it's in the DNA of British filmmaking and all that kind of stuff.

551
00:34:15.539 --> 00:34:22.500
So it's, and also models are people went crazy about CG, but the thing about CG is, CG is just a tool.

552
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:23.760
It's a tool in a box.

553
00:34:24.059 --> 00:34:26.880
It's what you use in the box.

554
00:34:26.940 --> 00:34:30.480
They're doing the same thing, but yeah, on a computer.

555
00:34:30.539 --> 00:34:34.079
I mean, in the day, I'm not a fan of alien Romulus.

556
00:34:34.139 --> 00:34:40.019
No, but they use practical big miniatures, which is great.

557
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:41.340
It's great pastige.

558
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:41.820
Yeah.

559
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:45.960
I mean, I mean, but also it's cost effective as well.

560
00:34:46.019 --> 00:34:54.059
Well, I've been told, like, say, if you film in in, like, 12 K. Um, you literally, now the detail.

561
00:34:54.059 --> 00:34:55.800
Go through the roof.

562
00:34:56.519 --> 00:35:01.980
And every day, there's something about a miniature has weight.

563
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:04.920
It has gravity.

564
00:35:04.980 --> 00:35:07.380
Yeah, you know the lighting, yes.

565
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:09.360
And it's got that realism.

566
00:35:09.420 --> 00:35:23.460
And I think audiences are now getting a bit sick of the flying and oh, I can get a camera and now my camera's going to fly down the wing, then my camera's going to go outside this and it's going to go on one side of the pilot and we're just going, you're taking me out of it.

567
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:25.380
Yeah, you're taking me out of it.

568
00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:27.420
I need, I want to, I want that realism.

569
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:28.980
That's why I like Top Gun Maverick.

570
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:48.300
Did so want the cinema because, yeah, they use real planes, you know, Tom Cruise in the back of an F 18 hornet, but it was a 2 seater, but they filmed it in such a way that he was a pilot, but they used CG in a way to complement it, real that realism, and it, success.

571
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:50.340
It's an enhancement, isn't it?

572
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:51.000
Yes.

573
00:35:51.059 --> 00:35:51.780
Yes.

574
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.719
So miniatures, you can enhance miniatures with CJ.

575
00:35:54.780 --> 00:36:02.400
And that's what I think is the best and also compositing, it helps compensating, helps with setting up a shot.

576
00:36:02.820 --> 00:36:04.739
Pure Viz.

577
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:12.420
You can pre-visit a short, so you can get an idea instead of having to do storyboard story, but yeah, it's still, we still do storyboards, draw stuff out. get an idea.

578
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:12.960
What about this?

579
00:36:13.019 --> 00:36:14.699
Was that 3D printing?

580
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:16.380
3D printing.

581
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:17.760
Some people hate 3D printing.

582
00:36:17.820 --> 00:36:19.440
I'm sorry, it's just a tool.

583
00:36:19.500 --> 00:36:20.880
It's like an air brush.

584
00:36:20.940 --> 00:36:22.199
It's like a scalpel.

585
00:36:22.260 --> 00:36:25.019
You still need to... it helps...

586
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:34.860
I would not have been able to build 2 liberators and that freighter. in the 3 months I realistically had. to the standards that I wanted to deliver for screen.

587
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:36.539
I wanted now to do it.

588
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:39.719
And it's just me working in the kitchen.

589
00:36:39.780 --> 00:36:41.880
No word of lie.

590
00:36:41.940 --> 00:36:43.800
They were in my kitchen.

591
00:36:43.860 --> 00:36:45.119
But I'd love a workshop.

592
00:36:45.179 --> 00:36:46.559
Anybody want to give me a new one?

593
00:36:48.420 --> 00:36:51.420
Yeah, crowdfighter. yeah send you a PayPal savings.

594
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:54.780
But no, but no, it's there's lots to come.

595
00:36:54.840 --> 00:37:04.079
Um, I think we've, we've kicked the ball really hard and I think it's people, people will be shocked what they see.

596
00:37:04.139 --> 00:37:05.280
Wow.

597
00:37:05.340 --> 00:37:05.760
Fantastic.

598
00:37:05.820 --> 00:37:08.400
Thank you so much for these unscheduled insights.

599
00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:11.639
A pleasure.

600
00:37:17.699 --> 00:37:30.539
And now we edit seamlessly from the delightful quarry that is the BFI to a little studio session where we are thrilled to be joined once again by Chris Thompson from the land of model making magic.

601
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:31.500
Oh.

602
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:35.039
And what a lovely studio, the maximum power studio is.

603
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:38.039
We've got the lighting turned up on full.

604
00:37:38.099 --> 00:37:42.900
We've got lovely noisy wooden floors for Mark Ayres to worry about when he does a special edition in 50 years time.

605
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:43.679
It's going to be.

606
00:37:43.739 --> 00:37:48.599
Everything's made of fibreglass and everyone, the crew keeps bashing it as they keep putting under storage and stuff.

607
00:37:48.659 --> 00:37:50.039
They hate it.

608
00:37:50.099 --> 00:37:51.000
They hate.

609
00:37:51.059 --> 00:37:54.000
I hate it so much, but it has got chairs that will end up on the antiques ride show.

610
00:37:54.059 --> 00:37:56.579
Excellent. plus riders to that.

611
00:37:56.699 --> 00:38:00.239
Blake 7 turns up in the weirdest of places right now.

612
00:38:00.659 --> 00:38:06.059
It's more like the weirdest things keep turning up in Blake 7 just because I don't know if I've told the story before.

613
00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:20.760
Like, I did the UFO manual. a couple of years ago and so much of the set from UFO turns up in Blake 7 and the cross Doctor Who, that eventually I should have just waited and model that this time because the references are immaculate.

614
00:38:20.820 --> 00:38:29.699
Yeah, you're basically recreating an entire costume and hiring facility for future remasterings.

615
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:29.940
Yeah.

616
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:31.079
Pretty much, yeah.

617
00:38:31.139 --> 00:38:35.880
No, um, because of the course of all this productions have been working on.

618
00:38:35.940 --> 00:38:39.659
I think I've got some like 40 miniatures. kicking around the house.

619
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:40.800
Some of them you've not seen yet.

620
00:38:40.860 --> 00:38:48.000
Um, and uh, yeah, and then obviously on a digital library, I've also got all the Jerry Anton stuff, which are modelled for books.

621
00:38:48.059 --> 00:38:48.840
So it's uh...

622
00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:50.699
Quite the library.

623
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:52.860
How do you resist the temptation?

624
00:38:52.920 --> 00:39:00.119
Or have you have you got your own little cuts or it's Thunderbird 2 flying around on your hard drives with Avon and Blake?

625
00:39:01.380 --> 00:39:06.659
To be fair, like, it's sort of the other way around because I have all these assets handy.

626
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:08.280
A lot of it winds up in Blake 7.

627
00:39:08.340 --> 00:39:18.239
I'm like, I wouldn't put Thunderbird 2 in Blake 7, but a lot of the random background building to see here and there are actually from Space 1999 or Joe 90.

628
00:39:18.659 --> 00:39:42.780
Just because, well, I have, I have those assets model, like Benelita Bass from Joe 90 wound up being the, is, like bits of it are around the launch pad for the London from season one and, um, there's definitely bits, uh, the asteroid Bass in Voice from the Past is actually a Kit Bass version of Voyager from Space 9 to 99's Voyages Return.

629
00:39:42.900 --> 00:39:53.460
Ah, and in fact, the beacon that the liberator leaves behind in killer is, again, the Voyager from Voyager's Return just stuck doubled up and stuck together.

630
00:39:54.300 --> 00:40:03.900
But then again, at least do that all the time in the day because everything like, yeah, like Space Night and Blake 7, everything's covered in eagle transporter bits.

631
00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:06.119
So, like, you know, like nothing's changed.

632
00:40:06.659 --> 00:40:15.480
No, that sounds very Matt Irvin who's got his his kits and just bits that he just glues together and makes a new model out of.

633
00:40:15.539 --> 00:40:27.119
So it's exactly what he was saying in the BFI interview was that it was basically lots of kit bashing and trying things to see if it worked and make a spaceship out of what's in the box and off you go.

634
00:40:27.179 --> 00:40:29.159
So yeah, nothing ever changes, does it?

635
00:40:29.219 --> 00:40:51.719
Like, legitimately, like, I went to, like, obviously, we shoot in the small space, um, hall in handblope, which is down the road for man's place, and man's place is just covered in model kits, like unbuilt ones, like floor to ceiling, and then there'll just be like all these models lying around, like Sentinel 6 from Warriors of the Deep, or, um, chipped from Stones of Blood.

636
00:40:51.780 --> 00:40:58.559
Just canine just sitting there. kind of like this, but almost more randomly.

637
00:40:58.619 --> 00:41:01.679
So, uh, like it, it's cool to see.

638
00:41:01.739 --> 00:41:02.639
Yeah.

639
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:05.340
And how much, what would you say?

640
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:13.559
Series A wasn't your 1st rodeo, but what's what lessons did you learn from that from doing that 1st series that you're now seeing on screen this series?

641
00:41:13.619 --> 00:41:22.079
Well, funnily enough, um, season A, so season A came off right off the back of Doctor Who season 25.

642
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:44.460
And I mean, like, I had a day off and then moved over and it was already like I had 2.5 months to deliver season 25 and then Blake 7 was only theoretically supposed to be due a month after that and then they had to revise the schedule just because I think there'd been a slight misunderstanding about how much work was involved.

643
00:41:44.519 --> 00:42:13.079
Um, so, Like, it was this mad, season A was this mad grab of anything that we could kind of get together, and then there was that initial shoot, and then we were able to build some stuff over here, and then we sort of got to the finish line with what it was, and I wasn't as happy with it, because I think I had like a baseline in my head that I wanted the hit, and, like, I don't, I, people have been very lovely about it.

644
00:42:13.139 --> 00:42:20.460
Like we've got a lot of good feedback from season 8, but there was an there was an area of what I wanted to see in my head.

645
00:42:20.460 --> 00:42:26.699
And luckily, we had a couple of months, basically, like season B was never a guarantee.

646
00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:28.980
Like they needed to see how well it would have gone down.

647
00:42:28.980 --> 00:42:34.920
Okay, because it was because it was theories that maybe it was only viable if you did all four, so that's not the case.

648
00:42:34.980 --> 00:42:36.900
It was really a series one's got it.

649
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:37.320
Yeah, yeah.

650
00:42:37.380 --> 00:42:39.780
There was never, like, it was never taken for granted.

651
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:42.900
So, um, we, I had a couple of months off.

652
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:55.199
I did a space precinct film in the meantime, and then I got the call from Russell basically saying, we've got, see, like series 2, season B, whichever, is going ahead.

653
00:42:55.260 --> 00:42:57.480
What do you need this time?

654
00:42:57.539 --> 00:43:03.000
Because I let, when I finished season, uh, A, I was a mess, just because I burned out.

655
00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:09.599
So, and very generously, it was like, it was, I really appreciated it because it was like, look, let's not repeat that.

656
00:43:09.659 --> 00:43:12.840
What do you need to get this done the way that you want to get it done?

657
00:43:12.900 --> 00:43:18.659
And so we sort of reconstructured everything the entire show from the ground up.

658
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:22.139
Like we had a pre-production phase, which we should have had at the beginning.

659
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:28.380
Um, we were able to rejig the budget so that we can build a new liberator.

660
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:34.199
Oh yes. into large spaceship on shelf behind him. looking very nice.

661
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:42.059
Well, 2 new liberator, actually, because...

662
00:43:43.860 --> 00:43:44.880
Because there's a small one as well.

663
00:43:44.940 --> 00:43:45.960
Oh, look.

664
00:43:46.019 --> 00:43:47.639
This is a small one.

665
00:43:47.699 --> 00:43:48.719
I mean, it's bigger than your head.

666
00:43:48.780 --> 00:43:50.159
It's but yeah.

667
00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:56.579
Like, it's literally Richard, Richard Ashton, who I commissioned to do the big one, built me this one as well.

668
00:43:56.639 --> 00:44:02.400
And it's a one, basically a one-to-one, like, representation of it.

669
00:44:02.460 --> 00:44:06.360
Like it actually looks, I ended up using this a lot more than they thought it would, I would.

670
00:44:06.420 --> 00:44:08.820
And you can't tell half the time.

671
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:12.360
Um, just because like there's so much detail on it.

672
00:44:12.420 --> 00:44:14.159
But yeah, we had that done.

673
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:17.820
And then we rejigged the shooting schedule a little bit.

674
00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:35.460
So, rather than, The England shoot, which we'd have to basically pick out 2 days and then shoot everything we could in those 2 days, and then do pickups of guest models in Belfast, which is what we did last time, we swapped it.

675
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:55.739
So the hero ships, the liberator, the, um, uh, pursuit ships, um, the white pursuit ship, um, Space Command, and the Andromedean fleet flagship were all shot in Belfast, and that meant that I could basically just shoot them whenever I wanted.

676
00:44:55.800 --> 00:45:25.320
So, I think we did 6 shoots and all, but basically, we're doing a round of shots for Liberator, I would go back, start working on them, and if it was something I didn't like, I could then schedule another shoot and do a ton more stuff, and it meant that rather than doing a day shoot and just trying to get everything to fit, we could just shoot stuff, like we could retake stuff, do better takes of it, or just that sort of thing. to really get the best of what we could out of it.

677
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:37.559
Then, um, in the, in the time when we were doing all that, Matt was restoring a lot of his old models that he, because he kept almost all of them from the show, and he was building us a new space world in the space city.

678
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:50.699
So towards the end of production, uh, we had our London, we had the uh, Hanselip shoot, and uh, again, really lovely time, like we got to play about with the Atlay shuttle and the killer ship and Matt's new models.

679
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:55.380
And, uh, yeah, basically, and also we had more time as well.

680
00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:59.280
Like the whole process was 6 months as opposed to 2.5 .

681
00:45:59.340 --> 00:46:10.320
So, uh, yeah, just from the top down, it was just a massive rethink, and then just trying to find the most efficient way to do stuff while also just taking your time with it.

682
00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:15.840
And that is largely led to me being a lot more proud of season 2 than I am of season one.

683
00:46:15.900 --> 00:46:18.840
Even though there is a degree, like I'm still proud of season one.

684
00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:25.019
Under the circumstances, but season 2 is a lot more realistic in what I was hoping season one was going to be.

685
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:29.639
So, did that mean you could be more ambitious this time round?

686
00:46:30.059 --> 00:46:31.980
Pretty much, yeah.

687
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:38.699
Um, like there was, there's stuff that we added over the course of it as well, um, like the creature from weapon and things of that.

688
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:45.179
But I kind of knew going in that, like there's 3 big episodes in season two.

689
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:47.519
It's redemption hostage in Star one.

690
00:46:47.579 --> 00:46:54.780
Um, because like hostage has about 50 special effect shots in its 1st like 5 minutes.

691
00:46:54.900 --> 00:46:58.739
Yeah, they're going for broke with an opening that week.

692
00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:08.400
Yeah, it's such an odd episode because it is because an average Blake 7 episode has about 30 shots and the only one to kind of go beyond that in season one was breakdown.

693
00:47:08.460 --> 00:47:20.880
Um, whereas, yeah, season 2 has these 3 big episodes, and then you have, um, like Gambit with barely 10 shots in it and things of that, like Gambit doesn't even have any shots of the liberator in it, I don't think.

694
00:47:20.940 --> 00:47:24.119
So, um, it's got speed chess, however.

695
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:27.840
Nice little 3D speech chess set.

696
00:47:27.900 --> 00:47:29.820
Which was good fun.

697
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:35.639
I felt bad about redoing that because that's the only CG shot in the entire show is the animated speed chest.

698
00:47:35.699 --> 00:47:37.380
No, no series.

699
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:38.159
I think so.

700
00:47:38.219 --> 00:47:46.320
Like, because obviously, like, they didn't really have access to 3D back then, and any, any sort of Faux 3D would have been like, kind of like the Terror Hawks opening.

701
00:47:46.380 --> 00:47:49.619
It would have been drawn out by computer frame by frame.

702
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:52.679
So, yeah, that is the only CG shot in the original Blake 7.

703
00:47:53.940 --> 00:47:57.480
And it's still, it's still there, if people want the original.

704
00:47:57.599 --> 00:47:58.920
Pretty much, yeah.

705
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:03.360
I'm thinking about incorporating it, but hopefully I've made speech has a little bit more exciting.

706
00:48:04.019 --> 00:48:09.059
But yeah, no, like, um, I think it's roughly the same amount of shots.

707
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:17.039
Like I think season 2 still has 420 shots and season one was about the same, but I could, I could just take that extra time with them.

708
00:48:17.099 --> 00:48:23.340
Was it with, so you mentioned, were there some that you, that examples that weren't on your list, but you were able to squeeze in?

709
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:25.800
Well, it was mainly the creature from weapon.

710
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:29.699
Towards the end, Ben, who's our puppeteer?

711
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:33.780
Um, just sort of asked if there was anything interesting we could do.

712
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:42.480
And obviously there's a lot of stuff that we could do in season 3 with puppets, but like there was that one in season 2 and part of me was a bit annoyed.

713
00:48:42.539 --> 00:48:48.599
I wasn't able to deal with the guy from the web in season one, so and that creature is just an ice warrior claw, I think.

714
00:48:48.659 --> 00:48:51.059
Yeah, it's very basic.

715
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:54.719
So we did a slightly more ornate claw that kind of properly snakes.

716
00:48:54.780 --> 00:48:57.659
Then when it dies, it kind of comes out of the door.

717
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:04.980
Um, so, yeah, that was the big one, but I think everything else was on my initial list in some way, shape or form.

718
00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:09.059
People have been speculating with her.

719
00:49:09.179 --> 00:49:17.280
Bruno from strictly could be persuaded to come back and reprise his sea devil costume wearing in the 4th series with the new sexy sea level costume.

720
00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:20.159
I might be very fond of that one shot he was in.

721
00:49:20.699 --> 00:49:22.559
What are the odds?

722
00:49:22.619 --> 00:49:23.880
yeah I bet it's one or the other.

723
00:49:23.940 --> 00:49:27.659
A3's got no memory of it at all or, yeah, who knows?

724
00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:28.440
It might have been the moment.

725
00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:29.519
To be fair, a good new path.

726
00:49:29.579 --> 00:49:38.519
Actually, another one which was sort of late in the day that we added actually was the all the Federation Trooper cameos.

727
00:49:38.579 --> 00:49:42.059
Because we shot a ton of live action trooper stuff.

728
00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:42.900
Oh, yes.

729
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:45.360
No, that went down really well at the BFI.

730
00:49:45.420 --> 00:49:46.079
Yeah, yeah.

731
00:49:46.139 --> 00:49:47.460
And who is it the same trooper?

732
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:50.099
How did, how did, is it you?

733
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:53.519
No, so I, so yeah, we've, there was a couple of us.

734
00:49:53.579 --> 00:50:07.139
Basically, I was picking up the Liberator and my friend Mark Dando, who people would know him from the convention scene because he used to run a lot of the Leicester-based conventions and he's done a bunch of others around the the country.

735
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:16.500
Very lovely man, but also Big Blake 7 fan, and I remember years ago, him putting up a photo of the trooper helmet and trooper gun.

736
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:20.039
And I knew I wanted to do that shot.

737
00:50:20.099 --> 00:50:25.980
I wanted to do something at the opening of Countdown, because there's no establishing shots at all in Countdown.

738
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:27.420
Like, it's a very interesting story.

739
00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:37.559
So I did that TNG style matte painting that's in the trailer of the troopers firing and you can just about see the rebels coming in over the bridge just before the it fades the original footage.

740
00:50:37.619 --> 00:50:41.460
Um, so the troopers on the roof is me.

741
00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:44.219
Um, that's my cameo for season two.

742
00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:54.900
The 1st group that you see in Star one is AC, like Andrew Clements, he's another one of the team, but he's also the producer of the Anthony Entertainments, like Thunderbirds and Stingray Rangers.

743
00:50:54.960 --> 00:51:02.519
Um, the 2nd one is Ryan, Ryan Wade, Ryan's like another model maker that works with me over here in Belfast.

744
00:51:02.519 --> 00:51:07.199
And, um, Yeah, and then Ben is obviously the creature and weapon.

745
00:51:07.260 --> 00:51:09.420
Connor has yet to be in Blake 7 just yet.

746
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:13.920
Connor's another is an artist I work with, but he's also the other member of the local team as well.

747
00:51:13.980 --> 00:51:18.840
So, uh, but yeah, color's, color's got a pretty big cameo in the next thing we're doing.

748
00:51:18.900 --> 00:51:19.920
So it's all fine.

749
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:26.340
You can easily offend your friends by forgetting to give them a gabby.

750
00:51:26.400 --> 00:51:29.219
And we took, so this is, we should clarify, few people haven't got to that episode yet.

751
00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:37.500
This is, we're talking about the little, the shots of devastation throughout the Federation as Star Wars on the blink, which have all been just spruced up quite a bit.

752
00:51:37.619 --> 00:51:37.800
Yeah.

753
00:51:37.860 --> 00:51:49.019
Well, that's one of those things where, like, Blake Seven's pretty, when it comes to visuals, it's pretty light and world building. like they'll say stuff and they'll make sort of mentions of things, but you will never actually see them.

754
00:51:49.079 --> 00:52:00.659
So, stuff like that, which is just lots of BBC film reel stuff from various news programs really excites me because then you can do stuff like pursuit chips landed in the snow.

755
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:15.780
Or um, new federation troopers or even outside of that bit where like we've done new federation battleships that you see in the background from time to time, just to kind of make it feel more of a, more of a fleet, more of an empire kind of thing.

756
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:16.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

757
00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:19.559
Yeah, more London type ships like the Belfast.

758
00:52:19.619 --> 00:52:21.840
Oh, we did notice the Belfast.

759
00:52:23.219 --> 00:52:25.440
How did you come up with the name?

760
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:28.320
Yeah, I don't know.

761
00:52:28.380 --> 00:52:30.420
It wasn't...

762
00:52:30.420 --> 00:52:33.300
The name panel isn't big enough for a Dairy Londonderry.

763
00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:37.139
So it's kind of just dairy slash London dairy, but the Federation logo is the slash.

764
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:39.059
Several letters, Max, for eight.

765
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:41.880
Yeah, the next one needs to be the handslope.

766
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:44.820
So who takes?

767
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:51.059
Yeah, so a choice, so a choice like that, does that just sort of emerge organically as a, yeah, go on, let's have a go going a little bit further than that.

768
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:54.119
Um, I get a lot of freedom to be honest.

769
00:52:54.179 --> 00:53:03.420
Uh, like, basically because all these decisions are made pretty early on where I watch the episodes and I'll have a big list.

770
00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:08.519
I'll just sort of write in a Google Doc, um, and just sort of annotate like this in the effect.

771
00:53:08.579 --> 00:53:09.539
This is what we could do with it.

772
00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:14.940
Um, Jonathan Helm published my season one list in one of the Blake 7 magazines.

773
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:20.519
So, uh, um, you'll probably see my season 2 list and all the rather sarcey anecdotes I put on it too.

774
00:53:20.579 --> 00:53:24.840
But, um, it's all comic sands and I take it very seriously.

775
00:53:24.900 --> 00:53:42.059
Uh, but, um, so a lot of those decisions are made then, and then, um, I'll run it past, uh, Peak McTai, who's kind of the quality control manager on my work, and, uh, he has the right to veto stuff, though he pretty much never does.

776
00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:45.000
Um, so there's a lot of freedom.

777
00:53:45.059 --> 00:53:48.179
Like, I just need to bear in mind to not go off the reservation myself.

778
00:53:49.019 --> 00:53:56.340
Just, uh, and also, like, particularly with the England shoot stuff, um, like uh, Mike and Matt.

779
00:53:56.400 --> 00:54:05.699
Obviously going to say as well as Paul Vinicius, who is sort of the producer of the special effects, particularly on that side of things, and he also does the remastering.

780
00:54:05.820 --> 00:54:12.239
But, uh, so it's quite collaborative, but we do have an immense amount of freedom as long as I don't go nuts.

781
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:14.400
What would you rule out?

782
00:54:14.460 --> 00:54:16.920
Is there any ideas that you've had and then thought, no, I'm not doing that.

783
00:54:16.980 --> 00:54:19.079
That's crazy Ooh, um...

784
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:20.579
I don't know.

785
00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:22.320
See, it's more...

786
00:54:23.099 --> 00:54:29.460
Does it, like, because at the end of the day, everything needs to look like it was shot in 1979 or whatever it was.

787
00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:33.360
Um, so I'm like, well, I don't completely stick to that.

788
00:54:33.420 --> 00:54:37.260
Like sometimes the liberator will do some rather fun manoeuvres and whatnot.

789
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:44.579
Um, I don't know, like, I don't think it's ever come up on Blake 7 before.

790
00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:49.260
There's been a few things on Doctor Who, which, um, people have had to say, no, cam that down.

791
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:57.960
Um, but, uh, yeah, no, Blake Seven, no, it was pretty much been able to kind of do everything we needed to.

792
00:54:58.019 --> 00:55:11.099
Like, I originally was intending to build more of the Andromedean fleet on this end, but in the end, like, I was so busy and I was able to give that off to Calum Ashley Ward from, like, 7 paper crafting to help fill out the Andromedean fleet.

793
00:55:11.159 --> 00:55:15.960
So, uh, like little bits like that, like I do sort of, like, relax a bit on.

794
00:55:16.019 --> 00:55:21.420
But no, for the most part, everything that we do intend to do generally is feasible.

795
00:55:21.420 --> 00:55:25.019
Let's talk about that fleet because it's spectacular.

796
00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:39.420
And seeing them in this guy, Callum stands up at the BSR BFI holding a sort of plastic tub, which thought the sort of thing that might contain a couple of 100 sandwiches, and instead it contains a paper battle fleet.

797
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:40.019
Wow.

798
00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:41.400
And you're now seeing the boss.

799
00:55:41.460 --> 00:55:43.139
Which is not my favourite.

800
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:49.739
Yeah, so this is the lead ship, the little spinny wheel on the top with CG, but the rest of the ship had just lights in it.

801
00:55:49.800 --> 00:56:04.679
And this is basically the original ship, just with these wings added, and I wanted to have something that could like, it's as weird as the Liberator, effectively, but just, and it's coloured like the Andromedean scout ship.

802
00:56:04.739 --> 00:56:07.980
So you've still got the little R2D 2 bits on the side.

803
00:56:08.099 --> 00:56:13.440
Um, but also you've just got like some little bits of detail, just where the cannons would be.

804
00:56:13.500 --> 00:56:19.260
But I just wanted to look really alien and something that would stand out in the battle in season three.

805
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:32.159
But, uh, yeah, everything else literally was, uh, a mixture of Callen's models, like his little paper ones, which were all very closely based on the original fleet.

806
00:56:32.219 --> 00:56:37.559
And then I just filled everything out with bits from my, like, repertoire.

807
00:56:37.619 --> 00:56:39.780
So, uh, so does he already make?

808
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:40.679
What's his backstory?

809
00:56:40.739 --> 00:56:43.260
did he have to did he have them anyway?

810
00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:44.159
Or does it?

811
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:51.239
No, so he, so Callum reached out at the, when season one was announced and was just like, hey, can I work on this?

812
00:56:51.300 --> 00:56:51.960
This would be great.

813
00:56:52.019 --> 00:56:54.420
And I was like, sure.

814
00:56:54.480 --> 00:57:00.780
So initially he contributed the ship that blew up in Shadow for like the 2 frame gunship that blows up.

815
00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:07.920
And then, um, Yeah, and then it just sort of, it ended up helping me out that he could do the fleece as well.

816
00:57:07.980 --> 00:57:22.380
And, uh, yeah, but he's been on, um, Facebook for quite a while, and you can see a long list of his work, and obviously he had to make the new ones in the new colours, because the original Dromney and fleet was really technicolour, whereas we've unified it quite a bit.

817
00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:32.280
So it's kind of bronze with like blue highlights and blue glows and stuff like that to offset the reds of the federation and the green, the white and green of liberator.

818
00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:39.900
Matt telling the story of the day that they made that fleet and it was just, grab anything if it made it into a spaceship.

819
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:40.380
Itll do.

820
00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:43.800
And now it's coming on Blu-ray.

821
00:57:43.860 --> 00:57:44.699
I can do it all properly.

822
00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:49.019
And you guys have just meticulously recreated every single one.

823
00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:55.260
But like, I think that's one of the things it's like, we could just redesign the fleet.

824
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:59.519
Like, that would have been almost, like, that would have been easier than recreating the old one.

825
00:57:59.820 --> 00:58:07.019
There's an element of like, oh, Blake 7, it's that crappy show with like cutlery flying around and stuff.

826
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:08.280
And at the end of the day, it's not.

827
00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:14.760
Like, and even if it was like a ship thrown together quickly, that's still a design.

828
00:58:14.820 --> 00:58:19.019
Like somebody was like, this, this, this, that looks like a spaceship, let's go.

829
00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:22.619
And the designer and me feels the need to respect that.

830
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:27.000
So, like there is areas where we have done new ships.

831
00:58:27.059 --> 00:58:34.559
Um, for example, Like this is from killer.

832
00:58:35.219 --> 00:58:41.699
And this is the Federation Salvage Dressel, complete with Federation logos and stuff on it.

833
00:58:43.019 --> 00:58:49.260
And a wing, you can't beat a winged spaceship, a kind of space shuttle...

834
00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:54.239
That was the idea, is that it's Ian Scoon's in the front and Matterovan in the back.

835
00:58:55.199 --> 00:59:06.719
But like this is literally based off the original London logo design and then we sort of morphed it into sort of using the invisible enemy ship as an inspiration.

836
00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:10.440
This was actually mostly designed by Richard Ashton, who did the Liberator as well.

837
00:59:10.500 --> 00:59:14.760
And even incorporated like the engines from Fire Flash from Thunderbirds in there.

838
00:59:14.820 --> 00:59:21.239
Um, but, uh, but the reason we redesigned this is that it was exclusively stock footage.

839
00:59:21.300 --> 00:59:29.880
So when it takes off, it's the, um, the same uh, archive shot of the rocket from redemption, not redemption, deliverance.

840
00:59:29.940 --> 00:59:32.039
Oh, what a fan five, isn't it?

841
00:59:32.099 --> 00:59:32.820
Yeah, yeah.

842
00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:38.460
So, um, it was like, well, okay, well, that's a gap and that's a gap for a new spaceship.

843
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:42.000
So, uh, that's where we feel like we can kind of go off the reservation.

844
00:59:42.059 --> 00:59:46.199
But if something's already there, um, we do feel the need to respect it.

845
00:59:46.619 --> 00:59:52.320
Um, and to be fair, like, there's nothing wrong with the Federation fleet.

846
00:59:52.380 --> 00:59:54.599
Like, well, not the Andromedean fleet.

847
00:59:54.659 --> 00:59:57.420
We have done some redesigning.

848
00:59:57.659 --> 01:00:03.059
And I'll show you this, but you can...

849
01:00:03.059 --> 01:00:03.659
Oh, yes.

850
01:00:03.719 --> 01:00:06.780
You can find out more about this next year.

851
01:00:07.980 --> 01:00:10.500
Very skeletal looking.

852
01:00:10.559 --> 01:00:12.239
Yeah, yeah.

853
01:00:12.300 --> 01:00:25.559
So a bit, um, yeah, this is uh, this is Serbaland ship for season three, which we have done a redesign on, but it's recognisably sort of a bunch of shit, but hopefully it feels a bit more logical.

854
01:00:26.039 --> 01:00:27.599
But yeah.

855
01:00:27.659 --> 01:00:34.139
And then obviously another design, which I talked about earlier, was the Federation Battle Cruiser.

856
01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:41.940
And this was always, always meant to be a background miniature.

857
01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:48.840
Like, we've never, this was never meant to be sort of upfront and featured, but eventually, it takes the Federation silhouette.

858
01:00:48.900 --> 01:00:51.840
It just makes it kind of tanky.

859
01:00:51.900 --> 01:00:54.119
You've got like a little underslung bridge.

860
01:00:54.179 --> 01:00:57.059
You've got these lasers that can kind of pivot around.

861
01:00:57.119 --> 01:01:04.320
And my logic for this is that this is sort of equivalent, like, it's slow, but it's equivalent to a liberator.

862
01:01:04.380 --> 01:01:09.000
So when the when Zen says 3 federation pursuit ships could destroy the liberator.

863
01:01:09.059 --> 01:01:15.119
He's talking about these and all the tiny things that you see, the liberated blast through like a 100 of.

864
01:01:15.179 --> 01:01:19.559
So, uh, just little bits like that where we can have a bit of creative freedom.

865
01:01:19.619 --> 01:01:28.320
Yeah, and it's the aesthetic. it's the aesthetic that we all fell in love with that's being just souped up a bit, not reinvented.

866
01:01:28.380 --> 01:01:29.280
Yeah.

867
01:01:29.340 --> 01:01:34.260
Like, yeah, it does everything needs to look BBC, Blake 7.

868
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:36.900
On the flip side, the best it can be.

869
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:38.280
Yes.

870
01:01:38.820 --> 01:01:43.739
I really liked the white pursuit ship in hostage.

871
01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:45.659
So the big command.

872
01:01:45.780 --> 01:01:48.539
Oh, it's on the shelf there.

873
01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:53.099
There's a lot of, this is like, you're like the best, it's like the best hardware store ever.

874
01:01:53.159 --> 01:01:57.780
You know, little old school hardware stores where you go in and you ask for a specific type of nail and the old man goes home and finds one.

875
01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:00.239
What class of prescription would you like today, sir?

876
01:02:00.300 --> 01:02:02.400
A white pursuit ship for this, sir.

877
01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:05.760
Yeah, this was built by me and Ryan.

878
01:02:05.820 --> 01:02:10.800
It's kind of hard to get good reference of what the original one looked like because...

879
01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:16.500
As far as I'm aware, one of the pursuit chips got stolen, like one of the red ones.

880
01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:23.940
So this got sprayed orange for season 3 and it sort of joins the ranks and then the missing pursuit ship ended up turning up at Matt's anyway.

881
01:02:24.059 --> 01:02:28.860
But so this is a bit of a redesign as well, but it's got the blunted front.

882
01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:34.199
It's got the weapon pods on 3 of the wings and it's called dishes instead of the small ones.

883
01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:40.559
And yeah, we ended up featuring it a lot more than the original one did just because we had the model.

884
01:02:40.619 --> 01:02:48.780
So it turns up in Star one, and I think it turns up in one of the other, Potentially trial, but, um, yeah.

885
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:51.840
So, but it's a, it's a cool one.

886
01:02:51.900 --> 01:03:00.119
Yeah, and if, and trial is like, if, it's really, um, Silverland's, the death donuts. is really busy.

887
01:03:00.179 --> 01:03:01.139
That's the one I was reaching for.

888
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:02.519
There's just stuff going on around it.

889
01:03:02.579 --> 01:03:03.420
It looks like a busy.

890
01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:05.340
It actually looks like a hub of an evil empire now.

891
01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:08.880
Yeah, it's like Death Donut, the MILF Wheel, that kind of stuff.

892
01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:12.780
There's many internal names for it.

893
01:03:12.840 --> 01:03:30.300
Um, but, uh, yeah, it's, it's, I've left it over at ACs for the minute because I, I've moved into my, um, old house, uh, just for reasons, but like, so I've been slowly, uh, sort of finding homes for everything, but the, the, the donut is with AC at the minute.

894
01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:38.579
But, uh, that was one, um, because, like, I always want to make it look busy, like, there's, there's ships docking with it.

895
01:03:38.639 --> 01:03:42.900
When it gets the hole blown in the side of it, that's persistent for the rest of the season.

896
01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:49.440
Yeah, that was a nice bit of a nice bit of detail, that time has passed, but they still haven't quite patched it up.

897
01:03:49.500 --> 01:03:51.900
I noticed that particularly at the start of hostage.

898
01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:53.280
That took me by surprise.

899
01:03:53.340 --> 01:03:58.019
Even in Star one, they've put metal panels over it and there's still a ship working on it.

900
01:04:00.420 --> 01:04:06.360
And like again, that's sort of with the sort of mixture of models and CG, we can do that.

901
01:04:06.420 --> 01:04:10.019
Like, and also because I know that's coming, I can write that in.

902
01:04:10.079 --> 01:04:42.300
And then if we use it for harvest of Kyros, um, because I think there's a question about whether it should be in harvest of Kyros, um, the, like, we can still have the marks on the side of it if we wanted to, but, uh, no, Federation Space Command, like, I love putting stuff around it and making it look like a hub of activity, and especially that shot and star one, where you've got that 32nd sort of establishing shot of space command, and you've got that wonderful, like, little, like, it's one of, Dudley Simpsons best cues from the show.

903
01:04:42.300 --> 01:04:46.440
And then it just made a lot of sense to have like the entire fleet there.

904
01:04:46.500 --> 01:04:49.260
So you've got that shot of those 3 pursuit chips.

905
01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:55.260
They wipe the camera and then it's like, battleship, battleship, battleship, battleship, battleship, battleship.

906
01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:57.659
And eventually space command comes into view.

907
01:04:57.719 --> 01:05:03.119
Because that was, it was a good opportunity to be like, hey, the start of season 3 is coming.

908
01:05:03.179 --> 01:05:03.960
Let's build this up.

909
01:05:04.440 --> 01:05:11.760
And that makes perfect sense because Serverland's plotting her coup at the time, so she would have the whole battle fleet around her.

910
01:05:11.820 --> 01:05:13.380
So one of them.

911
01:05:13.739 --> 01:05:21.780
Because they do mention that like the 600 Andromedean ships and the only reason why the Federation win is because there's way more of them.

912
01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:25.079
Yeah, it's just we only see the same 3 usually.

913
01:05:25.139 --> 01:05:27.900
So when we're not conditioned to speak like that.

914
01:05:28.380 --> 01:05:30.900
But like, hopefully that made an impact.

915
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:52.380
Like I've had a lot of good feedback about the series so far. one of the, one of the ones I, I really enjoyed was, I think I'd some said when we were talking about what might you do for for series B when you get there was Space City in Shadow, which is a beautiful model.

916
01:05:52.440 --> 01:05:55.320
There's so much detail in that new model.

917
01:05:55.380 --> 01:05:59.880
It's really awesome So that's a combination of Matt and myself.

918
01:05:59.940 --> 01:06:01.980
So Matt had built the general.

919
01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:03.900
Matt still had the plans for the old space city.

920
01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:11.699
So what he did was he built the shape and like the sort of the ring and then the domes and then I replaced the domes in the end.

921
01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:18.599
Um, so what's in the domes of CG and what's on the outside is practical, except for the 1st shot, which I think is all CG.

922
01:06:18.659 --> 01:06:26.099
Um, but uh, even that was, there was a lot of really fun things we were able to do there because obviously with Matt's house down the road.

923
01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:31.139
Um, we had, I think the invisible enemy shuttle is orbiting it.

924
01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:42.000
Uh, the, uh, Matt's small space, Clavis pod is orbiting it, um, The Moonlight SY3 from Godzilla Destroyer Monsters is orbiting it.

925
01:06:43.320 --> 01:06:52.920
Uh, just little, like there's so many, and also um, Richard Ashton, whenever I went to pick up the liberator, like his house is full of just models that he's built over the years.

926
01:06:52.980 --> 01:07:00.239
So we took 3 or 4 of his, uh, Um, sort of spaceship, just general everymanships and filmed them.

927
01:07:00.300 --> 01:07:04.619
So they're also flying in and out of Space City.

928
01:07:04.739 --> 01:07:08.579
And then, yeah, I think the pod from deliverance is also there as well for like a brief shot.

929
01:07:09.119 --> 01:07:18.719
But I love doing stuff like that because it's like, like that's, that's what you kind of missed from the original, is that you want it to feel like a hub of activity and all that stuff.

930
01:07:18.900 --> 01:07:23.039
Do you um, do you have any leeway for adding frames?

931
01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:30.539
adding a few, a 2nd or 2 or do you have to, you have to absolutely match, Marquez can't magic it, extend the soundtrack, Kenny.

932
01:07:30.599 --> 01:07:36.300
It's because of the, um, uh, the way that uh, the new effects are added.

933
01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:44.880
So it's this branching system where, in theory, I could go over, as long as it was within a branch, it has to match the audio effectively.

934
01:07:44.940 --> 01:07:48.960
So I can go outside some of the live action stuff.

935
01:07:49.019 --> 01:07:53.820
I generally don't just because, again, that's an editing decision that the director's made.

936
01:07:53.880 --> 01:08:03.119
So um, on some of the Doctor Who releases, they'll do a special edition where they'll do re-edits and things of that, but we don't have that freedom on Blake 7.

937
01:08:03.179 --> 01:08:04.440
Yet.

938
01:08:04.500 --> 01:08:16.380
Um, I might see if I can push to do an episode in the future, but, uh, the, um, for the moment it is just uh, alternate effects for the TX version is where we're at.

939
01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:17.100
Yeah.

940
01:08:17.100 --> 01:08:19.739
So, yeah, you've got to slot it in precisely.

941
01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:26.819
I think Horizon seemed to have a lot more cutting in that space battle at the start, but maybe that was just the impression it gave because there was so much going on.

942
01:08:26.880 --> 01:08:28.319
Horizon or hostage?

943
01:08:28.380 --> 01:08:30.720
Uh, yeah, we hostage.

944
01:08:30.779 --> 01:08:31.140
Thank you.

945
01:08:31.260 --> 01:08:34.560
Again, that's frame to frame.

946
01:08:34.619 --> 01:08:35.880
It really is.

947
01:08:35.880 --> 01:08:53.699
Well, it's just, I don't, again, I don't know if it's, I did reorder some of the shots, like, um, the, uh, because I actually kept, uh, the deal I sort of had with Matt, is that anything new he had shot back in the day, we would be fairly faithful to, and then, and I think that's a stock shot, I could just do what I want with.

948
01:08:53.760 --> 01:09:01.140
Um, so, but there is a shot, like, it's the pursuit chips pass the liberator, and then the liberator gets hit.

949
01:09:01.199 --> 01:09:02.880
So I reordered that.

950
01:09:02.939 --> 01:09:07.979
So the liberator gets hit and then as it's sort of smoking, the limpasucci chips overshoot it.

951
01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:09.060
That kind of thing.

952
01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:11.699
Um, but yeah, no, I think...

953
01:09:11.699 --> 01:09:15.539
Pretty, yeah, that the space travel is basically one-to-one.

954
01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:18.840
I think we were just a bit more dynamic, so it might feel a bit faster.

955
01:09:18.899 --> 01:09:21.420
Yeah, a bit more whizzing and whooshing a bit going on.

956
01:09:21.479 --> 01:09:28.020
Which, so, so you've got your 2 liberators, um, that you mentioned, well, the 2 very high, high quality ones.

957
01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:29.039
What's the advantage?

958
01:09:29.100 --> 01:09:33.239
Can you can you can you get a faster looking swoosh with one than the other?

959
01:09:33.300 --> 01:09:34.140
How did?

960
01:09:34.199 --> 01:09:50.699
Um, so, uh, the reason for the new liberator basically was, um, the original liberator and as the one we used for season one, um, which was uh, donated by Phil Stevens, had a pole running up through the middle, which is obviously how they mounted it in the time.

961
01:09:50.760 --> 01:09:55.319
And, um, I would have to manually paint out the poll.

962
01:09:56.340 --> 01:10:01.020
Which was like a massive pain in the ass.

963
01:10:01.079 --> 01:10:10.020
So, and it meant I'd have to like chop neutron blasters off and do the far neutron blasters and CG, whereas for the this one, the new liberator can be mounted from the side.

964
01:10:10.140 --> 01:10:13.800
Um, it can also be disassembled for travelling and stuff.

965
01:10:13.859 --> 01:10:27.899
And also, like, I was able to go back to the original, like, I got Jonathan Helm to send me all his reference from when it was delivered for spacefall, and we ignored everything but those photos.

966
01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:37.140
So, uh, like nothing that's happened since or like some of the restorations to the original models, um, which have changed them quite a bit.

967
01:10:37.199 --> 01:10:47.699
So that was kind of the reason for that, but also, um, and it also means we can fly underneath it and then we can change the mounting point to suit, so it's never obscured by a pole.

968
01:10:47.760 --> 01:10:55.020
Um, but the small one was used for, because that one's about 2.5 foot.

969
01:10:55.079 --> 01:10:59.699
Um, The small one means we can get further away from it easily.

970
01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:12.000
And it does, we do do some flybys with the small one, like the ending to, uh, horizon and the ending to, um, pressure point are both the small one flying away.

971
01:11:12.060 --> 01:11:19.619
And it's just because like, it's 8 foot of track with the small one looks wave longer than 8 foot of track with the big one.

972
01:11:20.579 --> 01:11:28.439
And there's a there's a great fantastic shot in a voice from the past, of a tiny little one going around the gas giant planet with its rings.

973
01:11:28.500 --> 01:11:28.920
Yeah.

974
01:11:28.920 --> 01:11:29.819
Yeah.

975
01:11:29.880 --> 01:11:52.800
No, again, that's, uh, I love doing stuff like that because for one, like voice in the past, those liberator shops, with not, with not, um, Dudley's best scorer, I'm gonna add, um, just slowly turning and stuff, and I just wanted to do interesting dynamic ways of doing stuff there, but also, I love making the liberator look tiny.

976
01:11:52.859 --> 01:12:05.640
And like, particularly with that very 1st shot you see of it in redemption, where, like, it's in the asteroid field, and you can just about see it passing the asteroid, and then you cut to the asteroid wiping the camera, and the massive liberator goes over you.

977
01:12:05.699 --> 01:12:08.880
Like, those are quite deliberate.

978
01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:15.420
Like, I want space to feel big, but I want the liberator to feel bigger, but then I want Spaceworld to feel even bigger than that.

979
01:12:18.479 --> 01:12:20.399
So, uh, yeah, but stuff like that.

980
01:12:20.460 --> 01:12:28.140
It was like, um, I really appreciate Richard doing that extra one for me as well because, like, it makes my life a lot easier. gives you more, yeah, more choice.

981
01:12:28.199 --> 01:12:28.439
Yeah.

982
01:12:28.500 --> 01:12:37.319
And I mean, some of the people are falling in love with those shots in redemption, especially just of, you know, you can see the back end of it inside the power station and things like that.

983
01:12:37.380 --> 01:12:47.640
That's just so, nobody would know that that was new if they didn't know the interest, like because I can spot it, but I don't know if that's because I know what to look for.

984
01:12:47.699 --> 01:12:56.460
I think on the BFI screen, the new shots, even though I do add blur and grading, still aren't as blurry as the, as the original film.

985
01:12:56.520 --> 01:13:05.340
But yeah, no, it just, um, that was, it was just to try and add some of the Blake 7 production design to that power station.

986
01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:21.239
And because the liberator's engine is effectively a parosaurus, it kind of made sense to put them here and there and come up with new designs for them and new colours because there's obviously one in the middle of the dry dock that you see as well, which illuminates as the liberator comes in.

987
01:13:21.659 --> 01:13:24.239
Yeah, and that it's all the same technology.

988
01:13:24.300 --> 01:13:25.079
It's all the same world.

989
01:13:25.140 --> 01:13:25.439
Yeah.

990
01:13:25.500 --> 01:13:30.119
Like, if I could have, I would have got rid of the brick work, but, you know, I'm not a miracle worker.

991
01:13:30.300 --> 01:13:32.880
Some things are just universal constants.

992
01:13:32.939 --> 01:13:35.640
Yeah, yeah, like making new space station out of bricks, yes.

993
01:13:35.699 --> 01:13:39.539
Yeah, and a little walls made out of triangles.

994
01:13:39.659 --> 01:13:42.060
And yeah, red bricks occasionally.

995
01:13:42.119 --> 01:13:51.779
Yeah, I noticed as well that you sort of enhanced the very bare sets in pressure point when they're in the bass as well.

996
01:13:51.840 --> 01:14:05.699
So it looks a bit busier and it looks a bit more like a secret base might look if you were sort of setting that up as a trap, say, so rather than bare walls and different kind of gels over the lines.

997
01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:23.460
Well, that's the thing, like, that is probably, like, I figured it's because, like, the changing the lighting setup is a very smart waiter to imply that these are different levels, but it's helping them along a bit with some rubbins and just like storage tanks and whatnot, just to kind of give it some production value.

998
01:14:23.760 --> 01:14:27.180
And also like pressure points are relatively easy episode.

999
01:14:27.300 --> 01:14:35.520
Like, I think there's only 2 shots of liberator in it at the very end, and everything else is just liberator beam ups and those sets.

1000
01:14:35.579 --> 01:14:36.960
I think it's just 12 shots and all.

1001
01:14:37.020 --> 01:14:39.479
So, like, it's stuff like that is quite easy to add in.

1002
01:14:39.539 --> 01:14:40.260
Cool.

1003
01:14:40.380 --> 01:14:42.659
So, look into the future.

1004
01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:47.520
You've already at work and on series C, as we're going to keep on calling it.

1005
01:14:48.600 --> 01:14:52.800
Yes, Mike did sort of reveal that at the BFI.

1006
01:14:52.859 --> 01:14:54.539
I mean, it didn't.

1007
01:14:54.600 --> 01:14:56.699
I think some of the gasps were a bit a little bit.

1008
01:14:56.760 --> 01:14:59.460
People were kind of joking when they were gasping.

1009
01:14:59.579 --> 01:15:03.119
Yeah, um yes, no, we've had a shoot.

1010
01:15:03.180 --> 01:15:04.680
It was really cool.

1011
01:15:04.739 --> 01:15:09.779
Um, there, there's big plans for season C, uh, series C.

1012
01:15:10.319 --> 01:15:12.479
With whatever we're calling it.

1013
01:15:12.539 --> 01:15:17.279
And in America, is it going to be called Paul Darrow series one, just really confused.

1014
01:15:17.340 --> 01:15:19.319
Blake 7, 1980.

1015
01:15:20.640 --> 01:15:23.579
But yeah, there's a lot of plans for it.

1016
01:15:23.640 --> 01:15:34.199
The entire introduction sequence. is we've not, Yeah, it's, I don't want to say too much, like, because at the minute it's just a text.

1017
01:15:34.800 --> 01:15:39.479
Um, animatic, but it's it's going to be hopefully pretty good.

1018
01:15:39.539 --> 01:15:44.100
Um, and yeah, uh, yeah, so we've started it.

1019
01:15:44.159 --> 01:15:46.560
I've not had the episodes come in yet or anything like that.

1020
01:15:46.680 --> 01:15:49.380
And there's there's other stuff I'm working on in the meantime.

1021
01:15:49.439 --> 01:15:55.500
I'm finishing up on the next Doctor Who set, and we're about to move on to something that's not BBC.

1022
01:15:56.159 --> 01:16:00.060
That's people are going to be very excited about sooner or later.

1023
01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:07.619
Um, but then Blake Evans back on the radar, uh, in the new year and uh, I'm looking forward to it.

1024
01:16:07.680 --> 01:16:17.460
Uh, this, even on the Hanslip shoot that we just had, there's some really cool stuff that Mike Tucker's done that I know people is going to blow people away.

1025
01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:21.539
And you've got some incredible challenges ahead.

1026
01:16:21.600 --> 01:16:28.979
So particularly terminal, for instance, and the very end of that, you've got a chance to go really big.

1027
01:16:29.100 --> 01:16:31.979
I got a chance to take a hammer to that thing.

1028
01:16:32.039 --> 01:16:32.760
Yes.

1029
01:16:32.880 --> 01:16:35.460
Yes.

1030
01:16:35.460 --> 01:16:37.020
All the difficult...

1031
01:16:37.079 --> 01:16:41.100
Yeah, like it's such a delicate model and you get a bit nervous about moving it.

1032
01:16:41.399 --> 01:16:49.260
Um, and then, yeah, just as soon as it's free and it's like, okay, I need to make room for the Scorpio, which is going to fit in here somewhere.

1033
01:16:49.859 --> 01:16:52.199
Then I get to break that too.

1034
01:16:52.260 --> 01:17:00.659
I've seen debates raging online about the 4th series title sequence, which some people really hate.

1035
01:17:00.720 --> 01:17:02.760
But for me, that was the one I really started watching.

1036
01:17:02.819 --> 01:17:14.579
So I don't, the tees, you know, the long tracking shot of the horizontal hole and everything, of the liftoff year. is kind of how I always, that's my nostalgia.

1037
01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:22.739
Did one of the maximum power team say that it gave them the impression that it was like about a group of people that blew up planets?

1038
01:17:25.260 --> 01:17:31.619
As I said, just before we started recording, I did actually binge all of maximum power between season one and two.

1039
01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:33.359
So I actually was listening to some of it.

1040
01:17:33.420 --> 01:17:36.720
The episodes that you were discussing as I was working on the episodes.

1041
01:17:37.739 --> 01:17:40.260
That's lovely to hear, thank you.

1042
01:17:40.260 --> 01:17:45.479
But yeah, no, the season 4, like, and to be fair, and the season 3 title sequence.

1043
01:17:45.539 --> 01:17:45.840
Oh, yes.

1044
01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:49.920
Yeah, that was all a model shop shoot really, wasn't it?

1045
01:17:49.979 --> 01:17:58.439
So, yeah, like, I don't know if is the real answer because um, season 3 is probably going to have about 450 special effect shots.

1046
01:17:58.500 --> 01:17:59.699
That's not a guess.

1047
01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:01.140
I know that for a fact.

1048
01:18:02.520 --> 01:18:09.420
Like, I've not, like, I've watched season 4 recently, but, like, I've not tallied it up or anything like that.

1049
01:18:09.479 --> 01:18:13.979
So, There is an element, like of a season one title sequence.

1050
01:18:14.039 --> 01:18:16.380
The only thing I changed was Liberator.

1051
01:18:16.439 --> 01:18:25.020
The liberator broadly looks very good in the season 3 title sequence, and I've seen Paul's remaster of it, and it looks like, because it's on 35 millimetre film, so it looks good.

1052
01:18:25.079 --> 01:18:36.420
Um, So, it'll be one of those things where like, if it needs to be changed, like we might, but it already looks like, to my eye, it looks really good.

1053
01:18:36.479 --> 01:18:41.819
The season 41, um, there is a temptation to put the Scorpio in it somewhere.

1054
01:18:41.880 --> 01:18:46.020
I've seen fan ones online, which have done a good job of it.

1055
01:18:47.279 --> 01:18:51.180
Whether we do it or not, we will remains to be seen.

1056
01:18:51.239 --> 01:19:07.560
Like the focus is on the episodes and there's a lot of cool stuff to do with the Scorpio, which, because like there's a lot of shots of empty space or I think I'm thinking particularly of sand where the Scorpio is supposed to be in the atmosphere, but you only ever just see lightning in the sky.

1057
01:19:07.560 --> 01:19:15.479
And like you could, there's so, you could have a cool shot of Scorpio flying through green clouds like flying out the surface as it does.

1058
01:19:15.539 --> 01:19:22.739
So, like, I'd rather focus on that than the title sequences, which are people broadly really like, and we don't really do the end title sequences either.

1059
01:19:22.800 --> 01:19:31.079
Um, so, I haven't checked yet whether you matched the apparently random left or right pan of the title sequence.

1060
01:19:31.140 --> 01:19:34.079
That would be Paul.

1061
01:19:34.140 --> 01:19:37.199
Paul's exactly the kind of guy that would do that.

1062
01:19:37.920 --> 01:19:46.500
I watched the, I watched all the 4 seasons with AC and we would always be like, at what point does the camera operator get bored?

1063
01:19:46.619 --> 01:19:48.300
Like, they're obviously directing with live.

1064
01:19:48.420 --> 01:19:51.300
It's just like, you know what?

1065
01:19:51.359 --> 01:19:52.260
Screw it.

1066
01:19:52.319 --> 01:19:57.300
There's one episode where they've paned too quickly and then just have to stop. running out of stuff.

1067
01:19:57.300 --> 01:19:59.520
We haven't got to the production credits.

1068
01:19:59.579 --> 01:20:00.779
Yeah. slow down.

1069
01:20:00.840 --> 01:20:03.180
It's like we've got one take.

1070
01:20:03.300 --> 01:20:03.720
Let's go.

1071
01:20:03.779 --> 01:20:06.000
It's 5 to 10, yeah.

1072
01:20:06.840 --> 01:20:09.779
If your alarm would just like, print it, go.

1073
01:20:09.840 --> 01:20:12.420
No, we're getting a bloody overspend for that.

1074
01:20:12.479 --> 01:20:12.899
Yeah.

1075
01:20:13.319 --> 01:20:14.819
No.

1076
01:20:14.880 --> 01:20:23.640
No, like genuinely, I really, like, it's, like, I always had a fond soft spot for Blake 7, but, like, I'm halfway through my Blake 7 journey.

1077
01:20:23.699 --> 01:20:27.720
In fact, I received this 2 days ago.

1078
01:20:28.140 --> 01:20:30.180
You do have your own copy.

1079
01:20:30.239 --> 01:20:33.359
I've got my own, like, I get it after everyone else.

1080
01:20:33.420 --> 01:20:36.000
And it's one of those things where like, I'm so busy.

1081
01:20:36.060 --> 01:20:38.159
It's like you receive it and you're like, that's cool.

1082
01:20:38.220 --> 01:20:40.739
Shelf, when you've got 13 hours spare, yeah.

1083
01:20:40.800 --> 01:20:42.420
And the rest.

1084
01:20:42.479 --> 01:20:51.539
I did watch the documentaries, whenever we got the test sticks, the discs in, and they're very good, so I can, I'm assuming you're going to be chatting to Chris at some point anyway.

1085
01:20:51.600 --> 01:20:53.640
Um...

1086
01:20:53.640 --> 01:21:07.920
But, uh, yeah, no, the documentaries are very good and I just, it's been really nice looking at the various Facebook groups and the blue sky and Twitter groups and just seeing like people react to it because season 2 has definitely had a bigger reaction than season one.

1087
01:21:07.979 --> 01:21:09.840
On the effect side.

1088
01:21:09.899 --> 01:21:10.619
Interesting.

1089
01:21:10.680 --> 01:21:11.100
Yeah, yeah.

1090
01:21:11.159 --> 01:21:14.039
I guess it's just getting more people are paying attention, yeah.

1091
01:21:14.159 --> 01:21:23.399
And there were people still, there were people saying, oh, yeah, I've already got it on, with the 1st series, there was a moderate amount of, I've already got it on DVD, why bother?

1092
01:21:23.460 --> 01:21:28.920
But the words got round and people are taking the plunge now, I think, a bit more, a bit more readily.

1093
01:21:29.039 --> 01:21:30.000
Well, that's the thing.

1094
01:21:30.119 --> 01:21:40.140
I think, particularly Paul's restoration work, because, um, I remember, um, even the stuff that they didn't have original film elements for, like, it just looks so vibrant in colourful.

1095
01:21:40.199 --> 01:21:46.319
And like you compare it to some of the stuff that comes out of Doctor Who, because obviously Doc 2 is in weirdly worse shape than Blake 7.

1096
01:21:46.380 --> 01:21:52.140
Um, and like it is night and day. like it's crazy to see how good Blake 7 looks.

1097
01:21:53.039 --> 01:21:59.819
And I've been using the DVD versions to do my initial, um, sort of overview of season three.

1098
01:21:59.880 --> 01:22:04.199
And again, like, it's such a jump when you get those shots in from Paul.

1099
01:22:04.260 --> 01:22:15.539
I remember like, the Space Command model was originally used done using the DVD reference, and on that version, you can't see the red striping on the side of it.

1100
01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:24.239
So for season 2, I added that in because I think I got sequel gate destroy last, um, and it was 2 weeks before the deadline and by that point we had built it.

1101
01:22:24.300 --> 01:22:28.079
So it's nice to take that time to update the model just with the new reference.

1102
01:22:28.140 --> 01:22:29.220
Yeah.

1103
01:22:29.220 --> 01:22:35.640
But it's also interesting seeing that people didn't realise there was a white pursuit ship because of the original DVD colour master.

1104
01:22:36.899 --> 01:22:48.359
And the, I mean, the whistle gummage Blu-ray that came out easily, uh, is, um, uh, an amazing revelation to anyone who's, who's only seen it on DVD.

1105
01:22:48.359 --> 01:23:02.640
And, and do your memory does not cheat or anywhere, if you, I'm watching it as a kid, it seemed like all this really bright and sunshiny show that was shot in a heat wave and then you watch it on the DVD, which is on the masters that have been lurking for years and it's quite dreary and drab, yeah.

1106
01:23:02.699 --> 01:23:25.500
I think that's the thing with the collector's market these days is that, um, if you're going to do this sort of thing, like, you've got to go all out and like we've been seeing this like, uh, with, with the Thunderbirds Blu-ray that's been announced and uh, all that sort of thing and the Doctor Who stuff, it's just like, throw everything at it, because this is probably the last time it's going to get physically released.

1107
01:23:25.619 --> 01:23:33.180
Um, unless we come up with, I don't know, retinal entry or like, uh, yeah, that sort of thing.

1108
01:23:33.239 --> 01:23:35.279
Maybe on a crystal of some kind.

1109
01:23:35.340 --> 01:23:37.260
At some point, you know, things have got to come out of crystals.

1110
01:23:37.319 --> 01:23:38.760
We were promised...

1111
01:23:40.439 --> 01:23:46.439
It was just like everything, like evolution just goes all the way back to like Beta Max tape or something.

1112
01:23:46.560 --> 01:23:49.859
Yeah, it wasn't enough vinyl revival equivalent.

1113
01:23:49.920 --> 01:23:50.100
Yeah.

1114
01:23:51.479 --> 01:23:56.039
Yeah, no my own Shibidon tape, whatever it was called.

1115
01:23:56.100 --> 01:23:56.880
Is that what you're saying?

1116
01:23:56.939 --> 01:23:59.640
Like 7 it was meant to be seen on ViewMaster.

1117
01:24:02.699 --> 01:24:05.819
Well, thank you so much for making time to talk to us again.

1118
01:24:05.880 --> 01:24:06.720
No problem.

1119
01:24:06.779 --> 01:24:14.220
And and for everything that you've that you've that you've done to uh, to, to get it looking so, so to speak and spam.

1120
01:24:14.279 --> 01:24:15.060
Yeah, thanks, Chris.

1121
01:24:15.119 --> 01:24:15.479
Thank you.

1122
01:24:15.539 --> 01:24:20.579
And I look forward to hearing your review of season 5 for Blake 7, which I'm sure is coming.

1123
01:24:20.939 --> 01:24:27.840
But to the power, go, go. 30 seconds stressed at maximum power.

1124
01:24:27.899 --> 01:24:29.880
Switching to manual.

1125
01:24:29.939 --> 01:24:31.979
Maximum power on all drives.

1126
01:24:32.460 --> 01:24:34.920
Maximum power.

1127
01:24:39.239 --> 01:24:41.579
So the only things we've not talked about so far?

1128
01:24:41.699 --> 01:24:42.899
Should we just quickly wrap up, then?

1129
01:24:42.960 --> 01:24:44.579
Yeah, I need the loop.

1130
01:24:44.640 --> 01:24:46.079
The only people we've not talked about so far.

1131
01:24:46.140 --> 01:24:47.279
German jelly.

1132
01:24:47.340 --> 01:24:48.239
Yeah, yeah.

1133
01:24:48.300 --> 01:24:49.319
I asked a question.

1134
01:24:49.380 --> 01:24:51.239
You asked a question.

1135
01:24:51.359 --> 01:24:51.960
What was your question?

1136
01:24:52.020 --> 01:24:57.180
I asked who was their favourite guest star, and they worked with...

1137
01:24:57.239 --> 01:24:59.399
Yeah, that was a really good question.

1138
01:24:59.460 --> 01:25:02.640
When she said, of course, I won't be here for the next one.

1139
01:25:02.699 --> 01:25:04.319
Yeah, what do you mean?

1140
01:25:04.439 --> 01:25:06.420
I know, because I'm not in it.

1141
01:25:07.739 --> 01:25:09.479
I'm forgetting.

1142
01:25:09.479 --> 01:25:10.560
Because they're always a pair.

1143
01:25:10.619 --> 01:25:12.539
You always go around as a person anyway.

1144
01:25:12.659 --> 01:25:16.439
You've got to come and do those on your own in future, yeah.

1145
01:25:16.439 --> 01:25:18.300
She can sit there, she can come and watch that.

1146
01:25:18.359 --> 01:25:21.659
Get it to come and watch animals and be now, this would have been you if you'd stayed.

1147
01:25:21.779 --> 01:25:23.819
Oh, no, that's the reason.

1148
01:25:23.880 --> 01:25:31.560
Well, me and Colin, it's the best thing we we had a great idea of employing Jan and Sally to come and do commentaries on the episodes they're not in.

1149
01:25:31.680 --> 01:25:33.960
Yeah, we have a glass of wine.

1150
01:25:34.020 --> 01:25:36.600
Jan clearly wants to drag along Josette as well.

1151
01:25:36.659 --> 01:25:40.619
Yeah, they'll have to divide it at these conventions, you really should come along.

1152
01:25:40.680 --> 01:25:48.720
Yeah, and shout out to Space Dog, of course, because my God, Space Dog, a dog, good dog, and Sally's dog came up...

1153
01:25:48.720 --> 01:25:49.500
I was on my leg.

1154
01:25:49.500 --> 01:25:52.079
I stood up and gazed at me and I straightened it up.

1155
01:25:52.140 --> 01:25:53.760
So I've had a very good day.

1156
01:25:53.880 --> 01:25:55.260
That's fantastic.

1157
01:25:55.319 --> 01:25:56.159
So, yeah.

1158
01:25:56.159 --> 01:25:58.859
I love how the dogs lie right in shot.

1159
01:25:58.920 --> 01:26:03.000
Right next to the that old liberator model. liberator.

1160
01:26:03.300 --> 01:26:06.720
So yeah, another intriguing event.

1161
01:26:07.020 --> 01:26:09.239
And we didn't talk about Zill.

1162
01:26:09.300 --> 01:26:12.180
Oh, Zill.

1163
01:26:12.239 --> 01:26:14.399
Yeah, she's in the she wasn't here in person.

1164
01:26:14.460 --> 01:26:17.220
She was a reptile. good reptile actor.

1165
01:26:19.859 --> 01:26:21.600
But Clare Lewis is a real star.

1166
01:26:21.659 --> 01:26:23.460
Wait until you see her on the documentary.

1167
01:26:24.119 --> 01:26:26.220
So, yeah.

1168
01:26:26.279 --> 01:26:28.619
And for that same time next year, I guess.

1169
01:26:28.979 --> 01:26:30.960
Sounds like it's happening.

1170
01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:31.859
Yeah.

1171
01:26:31.920 --> 01:26:33.960
See, yes, see, aftermath.

1172
01:26:34.319 --> 01:26:35.880
Anthem.

1173
01:26:36.359 --> 01:26:38.520
Yeah It's got to be.

1174
01:26:38.520 --> 01:26:39.420
Top and tails, yeah.

1175
01:26:39.479 --> 01:26:40.680
You can't start with PowerPlay, really.

1176
01:26:41.039 --> 01:26:47.340
We've got we've got a huge space battle for them to recreate.

1177
01:26:48.720 --> 01:26:53.819
Until then, and the mini, Blake and Jenner just...

1178
01:26:53.819 --> 01:26:56.460
So much to look forward to.

1179
01:26:56.520 --> 01:26:57.300
Brilliant.

1180
01:26:57.359 --> 01:27:00.779
Until next time, it's goodbye from maximum power.

1181
01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:01.199
Goodbye.

1182
01:27:01.260 --> 01:27:01.560
Bye