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Maximal pound.

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Hello, dear listeners, and welcome back to Maximum Power, the only Blake 7 podcast that's very confident in saying, don't worry about those growths on the wall, the slime dripping down from them, or the fact that Siri has developed a sense of guilt.

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Everything's totally fine.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Pete.

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I'm Peter.

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I'm Cy. and I'm Simon Hooray.

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Well, Blake and Jenna have left us.

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Tarrant and Dana have arrived, and Serverland continues to chase the liberator across the galaxy while attempting to rebuild the federation.

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We've reached out for alliances, attempted heists, found love in a handful of crystals, and exercised ghosts from both the distant and recent past.

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We visited more alien worlds than ever before, from the beaches of Saran to the volcanos of obsidian, the impossible land of Crandor inside a black hole, to Cali's home planet Auron, and from the harvest lands of Cairos to the waste lands of terminal.

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But it's time to say goodbye to all that, and more, as we look back at what is definitely the final season of Blake 7 series C, because nothing can possibly change that.

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Hello?

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It's the BBC here.

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We're recommissioning you for another series.

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A telephone call from my mother's aunt and she says it's splendid.

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So, yes, we have come to the end of Blake 7 series C, and I am pleased to say that we have had our biggest ever listener response to our end of series survey with over 100 responses.

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We've, in fact, had 114 responses.

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So even if you take out our regular team, we've still hit triple figures.

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Yeah, several people in addition to all of our homes. 30 or 40 of those were me just down voting ultra world.

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Another 5 or 10 was Joseph Simon multi-voting.

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So I think the best place to start is with our listeners and our view of the episodes and the structure of the season overall.

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And before we started this recording, I asked you all to consider which episodes you thought might have had the highest number of 5 out of 5s and which episodes you thought might have had the highest number of one out of 5s.

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And I'm going to ask you first, Simon.

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Well, I think Terminal will have had the highest number of 5 out of 5s because that's what people kind of do.

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And I think the one with the most one out of fives is probably volcano.

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Okay, great.

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Pete?

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Um, I'm also going to go with volcano, I think, for the one out of five, just kind of like.

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I think it's placing the running order.

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If this was Eurovision, you're on the 2nd or 3rd slot, you get...

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Yeah, bad spot.

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That's the same logic applies.

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You've got to, yeah.

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There are so many potential 5s to choose, though.

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I think I think rumours of death might do it.

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It just got a chance.

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Great.

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Nathan?

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I think maybe aftermath gets the most fives, just because it's extremely good and it's, you know, 1st in the running order.

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And my guess is that this metric probably surfaces things that we don't expect to be the best or the worst.

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You know, things that kind of slip under the radar.

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Aftermath is extremely good, but I'm not sure lots of people put it as their best of the season, but I'm almost certain it gets lots of fives, maybe more than any other.

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And the most ones, I think, would, I think, the ultra world.

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It's all your responses.

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That's very interesting.

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Peter?

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I think I'm with Simon, I think terminal will get all of the fives because of its importance in the season and to Blake 7 and the fact that it's very, very good.

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It's majestic terry nation.

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I think maybe Moloch might get the highest number of ones because I think there's a certain subsection of fandom that can look past all of the bad things it does and, you know, enjoy the Servland Villa relationship, that kind of thing, but I think there's a lot of people out there who would just be disgusted by it and give it a one, including me.

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Thank you.

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And sorry.

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Um, I think if it was me, it would be terminal, but I think Nathan is onto something and I think aftermath might be the one that gets the highest number of fives and I think it's definitely Moloch that is the stinker of the season, although Volcano is very close to being the stinker of the season.

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I did recently declare Volcano my least favourite episode of Blake 7.

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So who knows?

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Let's see how that holds up in the aftermath of animals.

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Well, they're picking up what Peter said.

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I suppose, yes, the one thing is not necessarily how many people think something is bad, but which episode makes people the most angry for being bad.

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I suppose Moloch probably does actually take that out.

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Terrific.

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Well, thank you all.

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And we're all wrong.

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Look, I'm pleased to say that almost everyone got one choice right.

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So 4 out of the 5 of you got either the top story right or the bottom story right.

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So I'm going to start from the bottom of our results.

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So for everyone who said this episode got the highest amount of ones.

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Its average score was 2.3 out of five.

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And that is Molok.

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Moloch was...

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Yeah.

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And out of 114 votes, it had 34 ones.

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So there you are.

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We then move up ever so slightly to 2.32 with volcanos.

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So those of you who said volcano were not far off.

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I'm calling that a tie.

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I'm just calling that a tie.

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A statistical tie.

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A disco robot butler and a gun that makes everyone fall asleep.

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What more could you want for the 3rd episode?

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Yeah, you really can't imagine an animated discussion about which is better, Moloch or volcano.

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Dawn of the gods comes in with 2.47.

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Yeah, I can understand that.

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Yeah, so it's just under average.

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Kind of fond of that space nonsense.

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Yeah, I am a bit too.

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Yeah, you know, I reckon maybe, like, just if the Farn were perhaps better realised, there's more of a threat in some way.

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Yeah, I mean, well, it's a good, it's a good example of one that isn't, there's nothing about it that really makes you go, oh, God, I hate it.

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It's just or would make anyone do that.

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I imagine.

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It's just a bit, it's just under, under delivers.

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It's just there.

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Yeah, that's the thing.

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I have to say that it was one of the 1st episodes of Blake 7 I ever saw.

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I've seen it multiple times since.

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I cannot now give you a plot synopsis.

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It needs a plot for a plot synopsis.

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There's a lot of atmospheric sort of nonsense at the beginning of it, and it does weird Blake 7 very well, and I'm a massive fan of weird Blake 7, you know, starting all the way back from the web.

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And then it kind of falls to pieces and there's a fair amount of just standing around talking, which is a bit tiresome, I think.

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Or X Home Alone moment.

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So, Dawn of the Gods, Volcano and Moloch are very clear, bottom 3 of the season, because we then go up a full .4 to 2.87 average, so we are now above average for Ultraworld.

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Nathan, your reaction.

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It was worth all the time, I put into refreshing that page.

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That's all I can say.

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Yeah.

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For those of you who can't see, Nathan's facial reaction can only be described as bulldog eating a wasp.

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We then come up and I was surprised to see this one so low at 2.92 with the harvest of Chiros.

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That doesn't surprise me much as I have.

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It doesn't spice me either.

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No. think that's about right.

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Yeah.

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No, I'm not saying it's right.

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It just doesn't surprise me.

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There's obviously not enough men voting in this poll.

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Real men.

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Yes, expressing their opinion. like this podcast.

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Welcome back to maximum power.

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Now we have quite a jump here.

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After that.

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So that was 2.92.

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The next episode is 3.94.

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So there is a very clear divide between the top 8 episodes of the season and the bottom five.

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And this will be much harder to predict because these 8 episodes are all amazing.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And in order to prepare for the retrospective, I did look at the results when we were sitting at around 90 votes, and these next 2 stories did have an average of above four, but they've just dropped below the foremark with our last 30 votes.

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And I'd like to give a shout out to friend of the podcast, Fraser Gregory, who did say, I haven't seen the last 2 episodes, but I gave them both a three.

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So feel free to disregard.

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I did actually adjust the results based on that and it didn't change the positioning or anything like that.

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So, Fraser, don't worry.

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You haven't ruined the poll.

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It's it's fine.

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So coming up next with 3.94 is children of our Ron.

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Now that's my...

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Yeah, much lower, I would have thought.

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Yeah, children out.

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So that means there must be some children of our on haters dragging it down a bit.

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Yeah, well, let's have a look and see what the schools were like.

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Children of Aaron got no ones.

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So no one absolutely hates it. but it did get um 92s.

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So...

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But these are all people who don't like breakfast.

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I should point out as well that while Moloch came in last and got the highest amount of ones, Volcano came in 2nd last and got the highest amount of twos, Ultraworld, which came in 4th last, got the highest amount of threes.

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So there's an argument to say Ultraworld is the average episode.

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Oh, no.

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Are we doing medians or are we doing...?

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I mean, outgraduates. can't remember.

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So continuing on the doppelganger theme with 3.96 is Death Watch.

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That is outrageously low.

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I know.

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I mean, let's qualify that by saying that these are all excellent.

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And so we're quibbling around the edges.

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But yes, that seems terribly low for both of those episodes.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, I can tell you now that that bottom 5 had a spread of like 12% points, if you average these out of its percentages.

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To get to these from a bottom five, we jumped 20% and the top 8 also have a range of 12%.

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I'm actually looking at the top 8 now, and I think we would be outraged by any one of them getting 8th or 7th position.

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It's true.

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Well, you see, but you see, I have funny opinions about things like terminal, for instance, from something. and they are indeed funny, Simon.

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I laugh at them all.

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And rumours of death as well.

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I sort of think both of those aren't nearly as good as people.

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Yes, I know.

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Just as well, we're all in different spaces.

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The one that I'm surprised that we haven't hit yet is sarcophagus because I thought that that was a Marmite episode.

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That is a good point, actually.

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That's, yeah, so sarcophagus should be of, should have happened by now.

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Death watch I can see if you're finding Tarrant annoying, having twice as many of him could be a thing that would mark it down, irrespective of the quality of the script and production.

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I can see why that might turn people, make it diminish it for some people.

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Is there a sort of a, I hate Stephen Pacey club that's got...

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Stephen Pacy's lovely, I'm sure. but Tarrant.

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I wonder whether Children of Aron suffers from the fact that it makes our own boring in a way where, you know, like it had been sort of weird and mystical, even as recently as Dawn of the Gods.

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You know, there's something strange and mystical about our on it, then it just turns out to be like...

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Yeah, it doesn't exactly do.

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It doesn't exactly do to due to our what Arc of Infinity does to Gallifrey there.

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Yeah, yeah.

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All those times, Callie said, my people had a saying and it's like, there's a saying that they had around the water cooler in their boring office.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, as I said, many times on this podcast, it was very, very interesting take on hour on to reenvisage it as an airport control tower.

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And not only an airport control tower.

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Doctor Who's favourite air traffic controller, Ronald Lee Hunt. controller of airport one.

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But can I say, because that, because Children of Arron was on that infamous four-hour tape that Peter gave me of the 1st 4 episodes of Black 7 I ever saw.

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So this was my the famous idea.

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But that was one that was my impression of our own.

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So when I then go back to the beginning and have my people have a saying, blah, blah, blah.

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I go, what the hell is this woman talking about?

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So I came from the...

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I suppose it's a bit like, you know, writing wharf in Star Trek, and he's this massively honourable Klingon, despite the fact he's never lived on Kronos, and it's et cetera, et cetera.

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And then you find out as you go on, actually, no Klingons are kind of dicks.

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And then they're like, how do we rectify this?

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And it's just, actually, all Klingons are corrupt.

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It's like, oh, whereas it's kind of like the wharf version is way more interesting.

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Speaking of sarcophagus, psychophagus breaks the 4 barrier with 4.05.

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That's a very high school.

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That's amazing.

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Now, with its marmite reputation.

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It did get 51s.

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Wow.

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But that couldn't drag down its score when it gets 49 fives.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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Yeah, and that's fascinating.

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I mean, that's a good, really good example of pitcher out there.

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Do your thing and not everyone's going to love it. but go for it. most people love it.

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Well done, you 49 people.

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I'm very crowded.

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The people who aren't fans of interpretive dance and cryptic wafting costumes.

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Fair enough.

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Death Watch, by the way, which almost broke the 4 barrier, got the highest amount of 4s.

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So it's the sort of quintessential 4 out of 5 episode this season.

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Okay, we're now moving into the top 5 and with 4.16, we have power play.

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Oh far too low.

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But still very good.

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No, it's about right.

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Yeah, I mean, it goes to show how good this season is, where that's at 5 and, yeah, there's kind of a case to be made of, yeah.

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Okay.

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It's a whole lot better than a lot of series B. Yeah.

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Helen Blatch from, of course, May My Bones Rot, Twin Dilemma fame has lesions of fans all over the world who are going to be out voting this one, quite understandably, for her role as receptionist.

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Doesn't she just have one line?

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Of course, very welcome or something like that.

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Is she also the one who says ready to extinguish life?

221
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Yes.

222
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I mean, that was what she was saying to me subliminally when I was watching the twin dilemma.

223
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It's also a good time when you've got John Hollis running around a forest and not very much, so, you know.

224
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Nobody's bones rotted in that one for her.

225
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Some organs did.

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Now, just to give our listeners an update.

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For the top four, what we have left in order of broadcast is Aftermath, City at the Edge of the World.

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Rooms of Death and Terminal.

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And I'm just warning you all now, I'm going to call it terminus at least once.

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So moving on to number 4 with 4.29, Villa finds love in city at the edge of the world.

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Spa.

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Yeah.

233
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I think this may have been my 1st proper episode of Blake 7 that I watched.

234
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And yeah, I just remember, you know, it starts with like a gorgeous, that one of the few like gorgeous shots of the Liberator immediately tells us Villa and Tarrant don't like each other.

235
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I know some people complain about the carol romance, but I actually find it quite sweet and believable, and I don't think it diminishes her as a character.

236
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She has a wash.

237
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What are people complaining about?

238
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It's nice to see a couple of villa centric episodes doing well.

239
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When I was a kid watching, this is the season where I was catching it occasionally, I think.

240
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I thought it was a series all about him and his friends.

241
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I mean, Valentine Dial in a tiny role and Colin Baker in a slightly bigger role.

242
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There's a lot, there's a hell of a lot of Blake 7 in there.

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Yeah.

244
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So now we move into the top three.

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4.34 is aftermath.

246
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I was going to say aftermath.

247
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It's bloody good, isn't it?

248
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Yeah.

249
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Yeah, it's probably the best season opener.

250
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I think.

251
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Suddenly the most confident season opener and it comes back and Paul Darrow makes the show his own in a way that he hasn't had a chance to do before.

252
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So yeah, it's outstanding.

253
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I'm going to put it out there.

254
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I think it might be the most successful soft relaunch of a series in television history.

255
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Be cool.

256
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But yeah, replacing your titular lead character.

257
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Completely, not even regenerating them into a new actor, just getting rid of him and making someone who was never supposed to be your lead character and just landing it so well, yeah.

258
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Now, for the top two, I think there's a case to be made that this is a tie, but statistically speaking, the top episode did get the highest amount of fives.

259
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The scores are 4.54 and 4.55.

260
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There is point.

261
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Wow, it's very close.

262
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Yeah.

263
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That translates to .35 of a percentage point between them.

264
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So at number two, we have terminal.

265
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You didn't ask us our highest ranked and lowest ranked episodes, but I'm telling you that I got them.

266
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It's like, I thought it was going to be number one and Moloch was going to be the lowest ranked episode.

267
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And I think because terminal is superb, but rumours of death is just all that federation shit that people lap up.

268
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And it is a great episode, but it also just absolutely aims for the sort of Blake 7 fan, I think, in a way that terminus terminal in a way that terminal doesn't.

269
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It's a difficult one, isn't it?

270
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Because they're so different, but there is something about the atmosphere of terminal that just gets me every time that every, like we'll find at the end of the next season.

271
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There is something that is just off right from the start and nothing is quite right and just the slow disintegration of the liberator, I find absolutely heartbreaking to watch, even though it's not realised the way it was in my imagination, reading the synopsis before I saw it.

272
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I think it is, it's my favourite episode of Blake 7.

273
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I think rumours of death might be a stronger script overall, but I think terminal is an incredible production.

274
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I just think that kick.

275
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There's a little kick that we get while we're down when we learn that we're all going to evolve into the Taran wood beast at some point in the future.

276
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And so not only have our crew failed, but we've failed as a species, and I just think that's tremendous.

277
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I mean, look, look, I think there's there's there's much good stuff about both those episodes, and I can completely understand why they're the top, but for me, they just don't, they're just not my favourite parts of Blake 7.

278
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I'm not saying I don't care about anything when I'm watching them, but I sort of, as you sort of said, Nathan, the rumours of death is a lot of sort of federation-y stuff going on, and I think terminal is very well done, but I think it's just, I'm never as captivated by it as I feel I should be, or at least other people seem to be.

279
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Sort of the same reaction I have to things like, you know, dual or yeah, or Project Avalon.

280
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Like those ones I've never kind of been particularly wrapped in.

281
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I'm much, I'd much rather have, you know, things like Death Watch or Aftermath or the Harvest of Cairo.

282
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Right, so, um, of course, rumours of death comes in, number one.

283
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I'm 100% behind this.

284
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For me, it could be, it could be rumours of death.

285
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It could be terminal.

286
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It could be, um, I rated Death Watch very highly myself.

287
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It's interesting how both of those top episodes start with Avon acting strangely, but in one of them, he's taken everyone into his confidence. it has disastrous personal results.

288
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In the other one, he takes no one into his confidence and it has disastrous results for everyone.

289
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I mean, I'd be totally on board with Rumours of Death as one of the best episodes of the series if it didn't grind to a fucking halt every time we came back to Grenville in his room.

290
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Not to preempt it too much, but I will reveal that when we get to who should have been a regular character.

291
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David Haig does get some love in those scenes.

292
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But we'll come back to that later.

293
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What about David David Hague as Pangol as regular?

294
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Every actor who's in 70s BBC productions is always now bi-regenerated into every character they ever played in the universe.

295
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Rottle T. David said it on a commentary track or something.

296
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So we can absolutely do that now. and it's definitely Mr. Bronson in Vulcation.

297
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Power play.

298
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Yes.

299
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Edit that to make me sound clever please.

300
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You're ready to get, Pete.

301
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So you both...

302
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But what is brilliant about those top episodes is that you've arguably got the free greatest writers of Blake 7 that are Robert Holmes in that top.

303
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So Taniffly, Chris Boucher and Terry Nation.

304
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And we're not seeing Terry again.

305
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So it is absolutely appropriate that all of his scripts for this series are within the top 5 episodes of the series.

306
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They're all really really good.

307
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Where's Robert Holmes this year?

308
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He's not here?

309
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He had one that fell through, didn't he?

310
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And there was a late replacement episode, which was Moloch.

311
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I heard it on a Blake 7 podcast.

312
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Yeah, it won.

313
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It was one of U-lock.

314
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I can't remember who because I didn't know it.

315
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I didn't know that.

316
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Wasn't it supposed to be called sweetly dreaming softly dying?

317
00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:11.279
Yeah, that sounds familiar, but no one knows much about it.

318
00:25:12.539 --> 00:25:18.539
Yeah, I think it might have been one of those things where it was just, you know, do you want to do a script for us this year and it just never happened?

319
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I mean, this was probably the year that he was writing The Nightmare Man, which went out early next year.

320
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So he probably had a lot on his plate.

321
00:25:25.500 --> 00:25:40.079
But, I mean, this is a reason why this series, Series C, is so amazing, is it actually has 3 top of his game scripts from Terry Nation and another 3 top of his game scripts from Chris Boucher.

322
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And so whatever else is in the season, you're guaranteed that half it is going to be freaking amazing.

323
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Yeah, and Terry is so refreshed.

324
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He's come back in a way that we haven't seen him right since series A, really, I think, even though his series B episodes are good.

325
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They're not on the level of these episodes we've got this year.

326
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I think he's energised by opening the season and then closing it.

327
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You know, he always said to Chris Boucher, write the opening episodes and the closing episodes because then if they only repeat a truncated season.

328
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You always get the repeat fees because I have to show the beginning and the end.

329
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Which, of course, is way.

330
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Good old Perry.

331
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Right, Rescue and Blake next year.

332
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But I think, yeah, he was energised by that and he does just this superb job of reformatting the series that he created.

333
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And then what he thought was going to be the end.

334
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He ends it in such a powerful and apt way that you just think, where's this terry nation being?

335
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I have great.

336
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I think he's fantastic all the time.

337
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:53.039
But he just brings things to another level this year and it's one reason why I think this is an amazing season of science fiction TV.

338
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Well, we're going to talk about the writers more in just a moment, but I'd like us to 1st go to our 1st snog, marry, avoid.

339
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:16.500
So I would like Cy, to pick a number between one and five.

340
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:20.160
Oh, like the number of crew members.

341
00:27:20.220 --> 00:27:21.240
Yes.

342
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I'm good to go for two, two.

343
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Right.

344
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Snog, marry, that is how I reasoned you would avoid.

345
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Oh, God.

346
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Your choices are a link.

347
00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:44.279
How was Android, and Moloch.

348
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Wow.

349
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I picked well there.

350
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I've saved the rest of you, haven't I?

351
00:27:50.819 --> 00:27:53.519
Well, taking one for the team.

352
00:27:54.900 --> 00:28:00.180
Well, Molok, at least, would give me to his men.

353
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:03.180
So...

354
00:28:07.380 --> 00:28:17.039
The robot is shit, but, you know, it'll bring me drinks, so I'll snog him and I'm just avoiding the links.

355
00:28:17.339 --> 00:28:19.259
I don't like little hairy men.

356
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:21.240
Why would you avoid a link?

357
00:28:21.299 --> 00:28:23.519
They could do the little own sexual position, the deep Roy.

358
00:28:30.059 --> 00:28:33.420
To be fair, he does get that with Moloch as well.

359
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:34.859
That's true.

360
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:39.180
Oh, God.

361
00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:39.660
Okay.

362
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:43.200
Is it polygamy if you married both Moloch and a link?

363
00:28:43.259 --> 00:28:43.859
Who knows?

364
00:28:44.099 --> 00:28:50.220
Brandon is still recovering from your remark about short hairy men's eye, I have to say.

365
00:28:51.059 --> 00:28:56.460
That's the thing, I was going to say something and then I'm like, no, Peter's joke is just so much better.

366
00:29:01.259 --> 00:29:02.700
Right.

367
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:06.720
Moving in, moving more properly into the writers.

368
00:29:06.779 --> 00:29:12.180
I was going to do this later, but as we were already discussing Terry Nation and what have you, we have 8 writers this season.

369
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:15.059
So Chris Boucher writes three.

370
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Terry Nation writes three.

371
00:29:16.619 --> 00:29:19.799
Ben Steed, unfortunately writes two.

372
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And then we have one apiece from Tanethley, Roger Parks, Trevor Hoyle, James Folett, and Alan Pryor.

373
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Now, 3 writers got no votes for favourite writer.

374
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:37.140
Who could they who could they possibly be?

375
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:43.920
Would any, I'm just going to go round the houses and I just want you to suggest one person you each think it could be.

376
00:29:43.980 --> 00:29:48.839
I mean, one of them's got to be Trevor Hoyle because the only other credit he had was the Bleak 7 program guide.

377
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:51.359
Right?

378
00:29:51.420 --> 00:29:53.339
So people say, Trevor Hoyle?

379
00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:53.759
Pete?

380
00:29:53.819 --> 00:29:57.180
Ben Steed, I imagine, has possibly struggled.

381
00:29:57.299 --> 00:29:58.259
Ben Steed.

382
00:29:58.319 --> 00:29:59.220
Si.

383
00:29:59.339 --> 00:30:01.319
Alan Pryor.

384
00:30:01.380 --> 00:30:02.700
Alan Pryor.

385
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:03.480
Simon.

386
00:30:03.539 --> 00:30:05.339
Well, I'll go for James Follop then.

387
00:30:05.460 --> 00:30:06.900
And Nathan?

388
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:09.180
I think Trevor Hoyle, absolutely.

389
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:13.380
I mean, Ben Steeds are playing on easy mode, isn't it?

390
00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:18.480
But I think Trevor Hoyle absolutely deserves no votes for Favourite Ryder.

391
00:30:21.539 --> 00:30:25.500
So I'm disgusted to say, unfortunately, the Ben Steed did get votes.

392
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:27.420
So what?

393
00:30:27.539 --> 00:30:30.059
All of those votes were because of Harvest of Con.

394
00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:31.319
Yes, exactly.

395
00:30:31.380 --> 00:30:37.140
Yeah, but Alan Pryor, James Fullerton, Trevor Hoyle and no one's favourite writers this season, unfortunately.

396
00:30:37.259 --> 00:30:41.460
I think that's entirely understandable with the calibre episodes we have.

397
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:46.920
Yeah, it's kind of like if Ultra World were in series B, I think Trevor Hoyle might have got a vote or two.

398
00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:50.940
It's just a mystery why Alan Pryor keeps coming back.

399
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:54.839
Everything that he turns out with the honourable exception of his 1st episode.

400
00:30:54.900 --> 00:30:57.240
Why on earth did you invite him back for more of that shit?

401
00:30:58.619 --> 00:31:05.099
You know, I think possibly, like, he turns in stuff that's meh, but not awful.

402
00:31:05.220 --> 00:31:06.480
Maybe.

403
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:08.400
Who knows?

404
00:31:08.460 --> 00:31:12.299
Maybe, maybe he was easy to work with and he gave in his, gave his scripts in time.

405
00:31:12.420 --> 00:31:14.400
I think there might be something in that.

406
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:24.359
Yeah, 45 minutes of TV delivered on deadline. that didn't require much editing in terms of making sense or being written on the back of napkins or something.

407
00:31:24.420 --> 00:31:26.279
The Peter Moffatt principle.

408
00:31:26.940 --> 00:31:33.119
With 2 votes each, we have Ben Steed and Roger Parks.

409
00:31:33.180 --> 00:31:35.880
Ooh, can I just do a shout out to Roger Parks?

410
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:39.539
Has there ever been an example of someone turning it around like he does?

411
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:46.019
Because voice from the past last year was just nonsensical, even though we liked it in many ways.

412
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:51.420
Whereas actually, children are on. is a really tight and good script, which I really like.

413
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:52.259
Yes.

414
00:31:52.319 --> 00:32:02.400
It's like he's learned what happens in the show and has a better understanding of the characters and sort of incident and plot and everything.

415
00:32:02.460 --> 00:32:05.099
He's really got a handle on the show.

416
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:09.839
And again, he'll show that next year as well, where he turns in a really good episode as well.

417
00:32:10.019 --> 00:32:14.039
It's also the fact that you have to give credit to the director.

418
00:32:14.099 --> 00:32:28.859
I note that Andrew Morgan does children of hour on, and, you know, a director can turn a script which in the hands of a lesser person will be will seem a bit confusing or a bit silly or a bit like boring and can give it life.

419
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:36.900
And likewise, a poor director can take a perfectly good script and destroy it by making it seem dull, boring cam, whatever.

420
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:44.579
And not saying that voice from the past is necessarily a good script, but certainly that children of Ireland is definitely brought to life by the director.

421
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:45.900
That's right.

422
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:49.380
Whether you get George Spenton, Foster or Andrew Morgan can make or break you.

423
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:50.640
Yeah.

424
00:32:50.700 --> 00:33:01.799
Like, you know, I think at its heart, voice from the past is a more decent script than its direction and especially costume design work allows for.

425
00:33:01.859 --> 00:33:06.000
You know, where, whereas children of our on, everyone's pulling in the same direction.

426
00:33:06.059 --> 00:33:08.400
Everyone's going the same way. absolutely.

427
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:12.539
Whereas in voice from the past, they just don't really know what they're doing.

428
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:15.960
They don't really know why, why are we even, why are we just showed up to work today?

429
00:33:16.019 --> 00:33:17.880
You know, it's they got that feel about it.

430
00:33:17.940 --> 00:33:21.180
Yeah, yeah, say what you want about Ronald Lee Hunt.

431
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:23.460
He knows how to play sci-fi.

432
00:33:23.460 --> 00:33:23.819
Absolutely.

433
00:33:23.819 --> 00:33:27.119
The way that Frieda Nore has no idea what's...

434
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:28.859
Exactly, exactly.

435
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:30.299
That's a great comparison.

436
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:31.859
That is the fair comparison.

437
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:36.420
And yet, if you were to put their performances side by side, I can tell you which one I enjoy watching more.

438
00:33:37.740 --> 00:33:42.000
Hey, I like both, but I...

439
00:33:42.059 --> 00:33:46.079
Ron Lehand's got this wonderful comfort about him, the way he's just so comfortable.

440
00:33:46.140 --> 00:33:48.599
You know, he says every line the way it needs to be said.

441
00:33:49.019 --> 00:34:01.619
I think I think also something about Ronald Lee Hunt is in playing sci-fi, he plays it the same way he would play it if he were doing a modern day drama.

442
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:03.779
And I think there's something to be said for that.

443
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:08.159
I think some people come into sci-fi and think, I must be spicy.

444
00:34:08.219 --> 00:34:08.579
Yeah, exactly.

445
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:10.019
Yeah, which 100%.

446
00:34:10.139 --> 00:34:11.159
It has its place.

447
00:34:11.219 --> 00:34:12.599
No it doesn't.

448
00:34:13.980 --> 00:34:16.320
I'm Miss Simon on this one.

449
00:34:16.380 --> 00:34:17.699
Space people. hate them.

450
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:19.139
Okay.

451
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:22.980
But I would count, I would counter Ilsa Blair and Patsy Smart.

452
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:24.360
Oh, yeah, okay.

453
00:34:24.420 --> 00:34:27.840
You know, that's the place for it, I would say.

454
00:34:27.900 --> 00:34:40.199
Whereas, yeah, if you're running air traffic control, you have to make, you know, and you're sort of doing welcome to the world of tomorrow, it's like you're just doing air traffic control, which is a very tough job, but you don't have time for all the flourish.

455
00:34:40.860 --> 00:34:48.840
Now, that leaves our top three. of Chris Boucher, Taneth Lee and Terry Nation.

456
00:34:49.619 --> 00:34:56.519
Now, I don't think it's going to surprise anyone that Chris Boucher comes 1st with 63 votes.

457
00:34:56.639 --> 00:35:03.059
I'm not surprised by and disgusted because if there was any season where Terry Nation should have taken the crown, it's this one.

458
00:35:03.780 --> 00:35:05.699
I'll pay that actually.

459
00:35:05.820 --> 00:35:06.539
Yeah.

460
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:15.900
I think, though, like, if you look at the 3 episodes they have, Boucher's got City Rumours of Death and Death Watch.

461
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:18.360
Terry's got aftermath power plan terminal.

462
00:35:18.420 --> 00:35:19.440
Oh, absolutely.

463
00:35:19.500 --> 00:35:22.860
But that means he has to set up and wrap up the season.

464
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:27.119
I think for some people they kind of go, we just want an adventure this week.

465
00:35:27.179 --> 00:35:28.500
You know what I mean?

466
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:34.199
But Terry gets half of half of Boucher's votes.

467
00:35:34.260 --> 00:35:34.800
He gets 31.

468
00:35:34.980 --> 00:35:38.280
Is it just because Terry once wrote Bounty?

469
00:35:38.340 --> 00:35:39.119
Is that the problem?

470
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:43.019
Which is a big plus mark for him.

471
00:35:46.139 --> 00:36:02.159
I think we do undervalue Terry Nation a lot of the time, and I think we do underestimate him, and I think his reputation for writing Bad Blake 7 is often considered over his reputation for writing really good Blake 7.

472
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:08.880
I think it might actually be something to do with the fact that Terry, like you said, Brendan, he gets all the heavy lifting this season.

473
00:36:08.940 --> 00:36:10.679
So he has to reformat the show.

474
00:36:10.739 --> 00:36:13.500
He has to end the show in a satisfying fashion.

475
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:17.820
Whereas Boucher kind of gets to come in and play and do the things that he wants to do.

476
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:21.960
He gets to look at Avon's history, gets to give Villa a fun episode.

477
00:36:22.019 --> 00:36:25.019
And in episodes like Death Watch.

478
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:30.239
He kind of, we'd be much poorer without those episodes because he gets to play a lot with the crew.

479
00:36:30.300 --> 00:36:34.079
He gets scenes where he can have Dana and Servland face off against each other.

480
00:36:34.139 --> 00:36:42.840
He can have the 1st meeting of the 1st face-to-face meeting between Servoland and Avon, where it's just the 2 of them since Aftermath.

481
00:36:42.900 --> 00:36:44.400
And so he can return to that vibe.

482
00:36:44.460 --> 00:36:48.119
And so he just gets to kind of move the chess pieces round and have a bit of a play.

483
00:36:48.179 --> 00:36:52.440
So, you know, they've both got different remits, but maybe he gets to have more fun.

484
00:36:52.500 --> 00:36:54.420
Yeah, if I can expand on that.

485
00:36:54.480 --> 00:37:04.559
It's like Chris Boucher understands and explores what you might call the hidden strengths of Blake 7, whereas Terry Nation is exploring the obvious aspects of Black 7.

486
00:37:04.619 --> 00:37:07.260
Now, you need both of them to make a successful series.

487
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:09.059
Absolutely right, Simon.

488
00:37:09.900 --> 00:37:16.380
And that, of course, leads in 3rd place, Taneth Lee. who wrote sarcophagus.

489
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:24.840
She gets 16 votes, and that is 8 times as many votes as Ben Steed or Roger Parks.

490
00:37:24.900 --> 00:37:29.219
And an infinity, an infinity more votes than who was it again?

491
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:31.019
Alan Pryor.

492
00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:49.559
But yeah, 1st time writer for the series and, you know, proper sci-fi novelist as well comes in and as far as I'm concerned, even though that score is much lower than the 2 series regular writers.

493
00:37:49.619 --> 00:37:51.960
That means she knocks it out of the park, in my opinion.

494
00:37:52.199 --> 00:38:01.199
Yeah, yeah. to come in that high as a guest, with an episode that is a left field episode, you know, shows that it really made its mark with the people who like it.

495
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:04.019
And she was doing the Chris Boucher thing, wasn't she?

496
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:05.820
She was coming in and focussing on the characters.

497
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:20.639
And so you have that gorgeous scene at the start of sarcophagus, which you talked about on the podcast where Avon comes to comfort Calli in her quarters, and it's a character beat and a scene just about the characters, which we hardly ever get in Blake 7, but that's what she homes in on.

498
00:38:21.179 --> 00:38:26.699
I think she does a better job next year when she writes a more traditional Blake 7 episode.

499
00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:38.039
Um, but I, you know, and I think, you know, sarcophagus has some obvious flaws, but I'm a big fan of that, like, weird Blake Seven.

500
00:38:38.099 --> 00:38:44.340
Like I said before, like the web and this is one of the best kind of versions of that, I think.

501
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:56.039
And thank goodness, someone came in and gave Jan Chappell something to show off. absolutely how brilliant she is when she's allowed to have material written for her.

502
00:38:56.099 --> 00:38:57.119
She is superb.

503
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:16.800
So, um, this sort of segues into a question I just made up on a whim and our listeners are really engaged with it quite heavily.

504
00:39:16.860 --> 00:39:20.039
And that is what is the campus episode this season?

505
00:39:23.219 --> 00:39:29.519
Now, I, instead of going round the houses, I just want to give us kind of a 321 countdown.

506
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:32.400
And I want us to go after one.

507
00:39:32.460 --> 00:39:40.619
So I'll go three, two, one, and then wait a 2nd and then I want everyone to shout out what they think the campus episode is and we'll see what how much of a disaster this is.

508
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:43.860
So, three, two, one.

509
00:39:43.860 --> 00:39:46.739
Rulers of Cairos.

510
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:50.219
Okay, I heard Harvest of Kyros.

511
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:52.920
I heard rumours of death, and I think I heard one other.

512
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:56.219
I was sarcophagus.

513
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:57.059
I went for it.

514
00:39:57.119 --> 00:39:57.360
Okay.

515
00:39:58.380 --> 00:40:12.719
Well, I mean, so many definitions because high camp low camp, like accidental camp intentionally arch camp, like several breaks 7 episodes do all of them in the space of 2 scenes sometimes.

516
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:20.579
Okay, well, I can say, um, rumours of death only got 5 votes for campus episodes.

517
00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:23.460
It's really camp though.

518
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:25.980
It's not so bad.

519
00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:27.659
She's got a bruise in her back.

520
00:40:27.780 --> 00:40:31.860
It's torn and she's going, it's an old wall even.

521
00:40:31.860 --> 00:40:32.760
It waits.

522
00:40:33.420 --> 00:40:38.099
Like after showing everyone around her lovely stately home and things.

523
00:40:38.099 --> 00:40:41.159
She's got a dress made out of pearls.

524
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:45.239
I mean, to be fair, this is Blake 7.

525
00:40:45.300 --> 00:40:47.760
There's a strong argument you made for camp in every episode.

526
00:40:47.820 --> 00:40:49.260
That's true.

527
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:50.099
That's true.

528
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:56.400
Sarcophagus is second with 13 votes.

529
00:40:56.699 --> 00:41:00.480
However, with a whopping 38 votes.

530
00:41:00.539 --> 00:41:03.300
It's the harvest of kiros.

531
00:41:04.260 --> 00:41:15.059
It works on so many camp levels because I have a hunch that Ben Steed intended his script to be a hard and gritty examination of masculinity.

532
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:17.880
It just, it ends up being so much more.

533
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:24.599
It's interesting, though, that you can pay.

534
00:41:24.659 --> 00:41:29.280
I mean, Harvest of Carross is the thing that's kind of consistently camp all throughout, and there's so much of it in it.

535
00:41:29.340 --> 00:41:38.940
But some of the campus moments are actually in other episodes, like, for instance, Death Watch or, or, um, is an aftermath or power play where you've got the bitch session between Dana and Serverlay.

536
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:40.199
Aftermath.

537
00:41:40.260 --> 00:41:41.039
It's after my team.

538
00:41:41.099 --> 00:41:49.920
So it's those moments, though, because those work in a kind of a broader episode, whereas Harvest of Caros is just letting it all out water.

539
00:41:50.940 --> 00:41:55.440
And I mean, most of the time it's Jacqueline Pierce, isn't it?

540
00:41:55.500 --> 00:42:02.760
It's Jacqueline Pierce striding across a beach in silver high heels and her white dress, you know?

541
00:42:02.940 --> 00:42:10.619
It's Jacqueline Pierce on the Bridge of the Liberator in her big white flamboyant dress in harvest of Cairos.

542
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:15.239
It's Jacqueline Pierce doing maximum power as she takes hold of the liberator.

543
00:42:15.300 --> 00:42:16.980
It's all of those moments.

544
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:25.260
She is absolutely amazing this year and she skirts the high camp really, really well.

545
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:41.400
And even in an episode like Moloch, she still gets camp moments like the go on that she melts to Villa. and I didn't come out here out out of concern for your Peccadillo's section leader and things like that.

546
00:42:41.460 --> 00:42:41.940
So, yeah.

547
00:42:42.300 --> 00:42:54.539
So I think she's actually responsible for my favourite camp moment of the season, which is just after Java because captured the liberator for her and she teleports aboard with the very masculine Captain Shad.

548
00:42:54.599 --> 00:43:02.039
And she takes time out from her victory to look at Kelly and say, ah, Kelly, how lovely to see you again.

549
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:04.739
Just amazing.

550
00:43:07.860 --> 00:43:09.780
Carry on, Captain Shat.

551
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:16.980
What would we do without her?

552
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:30.119
So we will definitely be continuing with campus episode next season as well, dear listeners, but are there camp episodes next year?

553
00:43:31.980 --> 00:43:46.920
The unintentional effect of this is campus episode, of course, implies the existence of butchers episode, and we have, and we have 2 episodes with no votes for camp, which means they must be Butch.

554
00:43:46.980 --> 00:43:49.079
That's how it works, isn't that bias?

555
00:43:49.139 --> 00:43:54.960
So we need to decide, what is the butcher episode?

556
00:43:55.019 --> 00:43:57.960
Power play or volcano?

557
00:43:58.019 --> 00:43:59.940
Oh, it can't be volcano.

558
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:00.480
Come on.

559
00:44:01.980 --> 00:44:06.480
How can volcano be Butch with Milus and Nathan?

560
00:44:06.539 --> 00:44:07.500
Yeah.

561
00:44:07.500 --> 00:44:10.079
Clouncing about.

562
00:44:10.139 --> 00:44:12.119
It just proves that not okay.

563
00:44:12.179 --> 00:44:28.860
Yes, that, yeah, because we've gone for power camp and our electors here, all of us, have gone for the power camp, but we thought that, yeah, volcanos camp is the sort of wafty, well, shooting people with a gun that makes them fall asleep gently.

564
00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:33.659
It is, it's, it's not, it's not a rough and tumble kind of episode, is it?

565
00:44:34.139 --> 00:44:40.380
But power play has Michael Sheard being really hard and Butch.

566
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:42.480
So I think that has a good...

567
00:44:42.539 --> 00:44:45.119
Yeah, that might that might just do it.

568
00:44:45.179 --> 00:44:48.059
And you don't get that from Michael Sheard very often.

569
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:54.840
Also that very camp, the very camp soldier who beckons to the camera to come here and have a look.

570
00:44:54.900 --> 00:45:00.000
Oh, He was murdering my friends.

571
00:45:01.739 --> 00:45:09.239
It's also got those scenes of Servolan and Kelly bitching at each other on the hospital ship. you know, the camp factor goes up to 9 on those.

572
00:45:12.300 --> 00:45:19.679
So I think we've come to the conclusion that Ben Steed tries to write Butch and fails miserably, whereas Boucher can write Butch in his sleep.

573
00:45:21.059 --> 00:45:29.940
In fact, the lease camp episode, the season, might be Dawn of the Gods, because Dawn of the Gods sets out to be weird, but there's not actually very much entertaining campiness.

574
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.039
No, nothing heightened.

575
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:33.840
Heightened in Dawn of the Gods, is it?

576
00:45:33.900 --> 00:45:34.920
Yes.

577
00:45:34.980 --> 00:45:37.260
Yeah, Groff wants to be cap, not Groff.

578
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:37.980
Who's the other guy?

579
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:39.840
The guy with the top hat?

580
00:45:39.900 --> 00:45:40.559
Or the caliph?

581
00:45:40.619 --> 00:45:41.519
The Khalifa.

582
00:45:41.579 --> 00:45:43.619
That's desperate to be camp, but fails.

583
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:45.239
It's not.

584
00:45:45.300 --> 00:45:51.719
Yeah, Dawn of the Gods comes in equal 4th with 10 votes along with Ultraworld and Moloch.

585
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:54.480
Now, Ultra World's got campers.

586
00:45:54.539 --> 00:45:55.019
Yeah.

587
00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:58.139
Carry on bonking.

588
00:45:58.260 --> 00:46:01.139
Has the bonding ceremony begun yet?

589
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:18.239
And for our listeners interested in the remainder of the scores, Terminal gets 9, City on the Edge of the World, 12, Rumours of Death, 5, Aftermath, 3, Children of Aron, and Death Watch, 2 each.

590
00:46:26.340 --> 00:46:35.639
Now, in order to get some more camp into our lives, Peter, give me a number between one and four.

591
00:46:35.699 --> 00:46:37.380
I'll go for one.

592
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:40.139
Oh, you lucky devil.

593
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:43.739
Snog, marry, quickly tire and dispose of.

594
00:46:44.340 --> 00:46:49.320
Ginka, Darrow, Jarvik.

595
00:46:49.380 --> 00:46:52.019
Oh, he's gotten the best one. so.

596
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:54.480
That's why I made it random with numbers.

597
00:46:54.539 --> 00:46:56.880
I didn't want to I didn't want to show any fear or favour.

598
00:46:56.940 --> 00:46:59.280
I mean, does this make me serve lamb?

599
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:00.360
Because they're all my lackeys.

600
00:47:00.420 --> 00:47:01.260
Yes.

601
00:47:02.219 --> 00:47:08.940
Okay, I would definitely marry Ginka because he's just fantastic.

602
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:14.639
And if I tired of him, I would have my Ginka kill switch to dispose of it any time and move on to a new model.

603
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:22.739
I would avoid Daryl because he's so boring and I would just have to turn around to him and he disappointed me and say Daryl.

604
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:27.900
Well...

605
00:47:28.739 --> 00:47:33.599
Which means, unfortunately, I've left myself snogging Jarvic.

606
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:38.940
Would you very much like him to do it again?

607
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:39.900
It's the question.

608
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:49.920
I don't think so I would just keep zipping him down and down, down that never-ending zipper, which kind of goes all the way down to his ankles and we'd see what happened.

609
00:47:50.219 --> 00:47:52.199
I'd be zipping it up.

610
00:47:55.260 --> 00:47:57.059
I have to watch that chest hair.

611
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:07.860
Right, so we've talked about the episodes, we've talked about the writers.

612
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:09.719
It's time to talk about our crew.

613
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:17.519
Now, we have, at this point, Serverland is basically a regular, she's in, I think, 8 of the 13 episodes.

614
00:48:18.300 --> 00:48:20.940
More nine, is it this season?

615
00:48:21.059 --> 00:48:26.639
So we have, like last season, counted her in the regular votes.

616
00:48:26.699 --> 00:48:32.519
So the options were Avon, Villa, Cali, Dana, Tarant serverland, Zen, and Aurak.

617
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:36.360
I mean, that is interesting though. and the promo picks from this series.

618
00:48:36.420 --> 00:48:39.059
It's her and Avon at the centre and everyone else around them.

619
00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:43.800
They're the male and female leads of this show and everyone else are the, you know what I mean?

620
00:48:43.860 --> 00:48:47.340
She is not an occasional guest artist in this show, is she?

621
00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:47.579
Yeah.

622
00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:50.639
I love those promo picks with Avon and Survland, the middle.

623
00:48:50.699 --> 00:48:53.340
It really looks like the most awkward bridal party ever.

624
00:48:55.139 --> 00:49:00.000
Like 2 divorcees getting married and they've both invited their exes and it's all submit.

625
00:49:00.780 --> 00:49:08.219
One of the variations of the shot has the other 4 members of the crew beside them all kind of like looking at them quizzically like you're doing watts now?

626
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:09.059
Yeah.

627
00:49:09.059 --> 00:49:12.480
That's the picture I used for the survey.

628
00:49:16.139 --> 00:49:24.659
Okay, I'm going to do that thing again where we all say something at the same time for who got the most amount of firsts because we did first, second, and 3rd for this.

629
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:30.179
Okay, so three, two, one, server land.

630
00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:35.280
Wow, okay, I was expecting everyone to say Avon, which is the correct answer.

631
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:39.719
Revealing the bias of this podcast.

632
00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:43.980
Avon got 68 firsts.

633
00:49:44.099 --> 00:49:44.820
Wow.

634
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:47.280
I mean so much in it.

635
00:49:47.340 --> 00:49:50.579
Serverland did come in behind that with 19.

636
00:49:50.940 --> 00:49:52.320
Wow.

637
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:53.099
Wow.

638
00:49:53.159 --> 00:49:55.559
Okay, what's wrong with all you people?

639
00:49:56.579 --> 00:50:00.719
Well, it makes people just don't regular member of the crew.

640
00:50:00.780 --> 00:50:02.460
She's not one of Blake's.

641
00:50:02.460 --> 00:50:03.659
She was on the list.

642
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:06.599
She was on the literary, so more than once.

643
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:12.960
She had the biggest picture that I accompanied the thing because I had to include the arms.

644
00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:16.079
Villa gets 11 first.

645
00:50:16.139 --> 00:50:16.800
Oh nice.

646
00:50:16.860 --> 00:50:17.820
Good for you.

647
00:50:17.820 --> 00:50:18.420
Good.

648
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:20.820
Kelly gets nine.

649
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:23.159
Dana and Tarant get 2 each.

650
00:50:23.219 --> 00:50:24.420
Aurak gets three.

651
00:50:28.019 --> 00:50:31.260
Call Dana. poor Dana, yeah.

652
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:33.960
Si, poor Zen gets zero.

653
00:50:34.019 --> 00:50:37.440
It's his final season and he gets...

654
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:45.900
He gets his finest scene in the whole of the show and the most moving death in the whole of the show and he doesn't even get a first.

655
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:48.539
That's right. 0 number ones.

656
00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:49.320
He is sorry.

657
00:50:49.380 --> 00:50:50.579
Yeah, we know you are, love.

658
00:50:52.380 --> 00:50:56.940
So 321, who gets the highest amount of seconds.

659
00:50:57.000 --> 00:50:59.039
So three, two, one.

660
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:00.300
Tarrant.

661
00:51:02.099 --> 00:51:06.059
I didn't hear any correct answers there, so correct me if I'm wrong.

662
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:07.199
It's Villa.

663
00:51:07.260 --> 00:51:07.739
Wow.

664
00:51:07.739 --> 00:51:11.340
Villa gets 32.

665
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:14.460
Avon gets 29, so he comes...

666
00:51:14.460 --> 00:51:16.139
He comes 2nd of the second.

667
00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:32.880
I didn't guess it, but I approve entirely with that result because there are so many episodes where his everyman thing and his comic timing, but also his, he's not just there as a comedy clutch, a couple of times where it doesn't work, but the vast majority of times in this season, he's written really well, and especially sitting in the edge of the world, of course.

668
00:51:33.179 --> 00:51:40.320
I can totally see why if you're a particularly if you're a villa fan anyway, then you're seeing him in his best light.

669
00:51:40.380 --> 00:51:41.400
Perhaps in this season?

670
00:51:41.460 --> 00:51:43.260
Although I know there's more plenty more to come.

671
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:44.280
Yeah, absolutely.

672
00:51:44.340 --> 00:51:46.619
Kelly gets 10 seconds.

673
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:48.179
Tarrant gets seven.

674
00:51:48.420 --> 00:51:53.099
Dana 3, Orac 3, Zen 2.

675
00:51:53.340 --> 00:51:55.139
So Zen at least get some votes here.

676
00:51:55.260 --> 00:52:08.039
I will say with Dana, when we look at recurring characters later on, there's going to be a trend that I think explains why Dana doesn't get as many votes here as perhaps we would think.

677
00:52:08.579 --> 00:52:13.739
Okay, and finally, who do we think gets the highest amount of thirds?

678
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:14.639
32 one.

679
00:52:14.699 --> 00:52:18.179
Three, two, one.

680
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:18.659
Dana.

681
00:52:18.780 --> 00:52:19.260
Tarrant.

682
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:19.920
Silver.

683
00:52:19.980 --> 00:52:22.019
I'm just saying Tarrant for everything.

684
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:24.000
Yeah, I'm saying 7 for everything.

685
00:52:24.059 --> 00:52:25.679
It's Villa again.

686
00:52:28.260 --> 00:52:31.139
So I'll just go through these scores quickly.

687
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:35.280
Villa 25, Serverland 23, Cali 23.

688
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:38.579
Um, Dana 15.

689
00:52:38.940 --> 00:52:42.179
So Dana is quite a popular 3rd choice.

690
00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:48.659
Avon 11, uh, Zen 8, Tarant 6, Aurak 3.

691
00:52:48.900 --> 00:52:55.860
So what I've what I've been done is I have given points value.

692
00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:57.480
So every 1st is worth 3 points.

693
00:52:57.539 --> 00:52:58.980
Every 2nd is worth 2 points.

694
00:52:58.980 --> 00:53:01.619
Every 3rd is worth one point.

695
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:08.880
So starting from the bottom of the list with 12 points, dozpois is Zen.

696
00:53:09.179 --> 00:53:10.800
Listen.

697
00:53:10.860 --> 00:53:20.340
And I think possibly, you know, aside from his very moving death scene, don't get me wrong, we don't really get the mystery of Zen this year.

698
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:26.159
He does get some remarkably sarcastic lines at times, which are always good fun.

699
00:53:26.159 --> 00:53:32.699
But yeah, there's not he's just a comforting presence on the liberator and a bit forgotten about a lot of the time.

700
00:53:32.940 --> 00:53:41.760
Yeah, I think in this, the vast majority of this season he spends just being the enterprise computer, they forget that the writers forget that he's a person.

701
00:53:42.059 --> 00:53:50.940
I mean, that's made up for in terminal, obviously, which has some of Zen's very finest moments, but also I do think he gets some fun moments elsewhere in the season.

702
00:53:51.000 --> 00:54:01.739
I'm thinking of when he works together with Aurak in Dawn of the Gods to stop the Liberator being cut up by the minions of the Than.

703
00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:05.519
God, all of those names. pathan.

704
00:54:05.820 --> 00:54:11.519
And also, I really, I really liked, I think I pointed out on a Harvest Chiros podcast.

705
00:54:11.579 --> 00:54:18.599
I really like when Serverland comes aboard and she's interacting with Zen and she's basically like, how do you pilot the ship?

706
00:54:18.599 --> 00:54:20.940
And he says, well, you know, you press go when it goes.

707
00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:24.539
And she, uh, and she looks at him and she says, yes, I've heard of your impudence.

708
00:54:24.539 --> 00:54:25.619
And we think at the time.

709
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:26.579
Who did she hear of that?

710
00:54:26.699 --> 00:54:27.659
impudence.

711
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:34.559
Was it Travis who went to her and said, oh, yes, to have a very impulent flight computer server lad.

712
00:54:38.579 --> 00:54:44.820
So speaking of saki and impudent computers, Aurak has 18 points.

713
00:54:44.940 --> 00:54:54.719
And yeah, I think possibly part of the reason for the lower score for Zen is, yeah, Zen does have some snarky lines, but that's also Aurak's thing, you know.

714
00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:58.619
And occasionally he does pull out a new talent of the week that we never hear of again.

715
00:54:58.679 --> 00:54:59.940
No drinking this year.

716
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:03.059
I think Aurak has a really good role to play in aftermath.

717
00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:07.199
So it's nice to see him being treated as a member of the crew.

718
00:55:07.260 --> 00:55:10.980
You know, he goes with Avon and actually plays a significant role in the episode.

719
00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:17.699
On 26, we have Tarrant.

720
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:18.780
Yeah.

721
00:55:18.780 --> 00:55:19.559
Yeah.

722
00:55:19.619 --> 00:55:29.579
And look, not to preempt the who would you bring on board, and who would you write out too much, but yeah, a lot of people don't like Tarrant.

723
00:55:29.639 --> 00:55:39.719
I think it's a shame because I think on any metric, the 2 new the 2 new cast members this year are better than the people that they replace.

724
00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:42.000
Absolutely, they are.

725
00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:45.000
Ooh, I don't.

726
00:55:45.059 --> 00:55:46.920
I'd come to defence of Jenna.

727
00:55:46.980 --> 00:55:49.139
I think Jenna is very good.

728
00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:49.619
I agree.

729
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:52.619
I think Jenna's very good, but, you know, it's just set Simon.

730
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:54.840
Yeah, she's been...

731
00:55:54.960 --> 00:56:03.000
Stephen Pacey is very likeable and has a gorgeous smile, but he's not written consistently.

732
00:56:03.059 --> 00:56:06.360
He's made out to be a bit of a twat a lot of the time.

733
00:56:06.420 --> 00:56:12.840
And anyone who takes on Villa and bullies Villa, you're not going to warm to him at all, are you?

734
00:56:12.900 --> 00:56:14.699
Because everyone really loves Spinner.

735
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:19.619
So to do that twice in the season is, yeah, it's not great.

736
00:56:19.739 --> 00:56:32.340
It's interesting that Tarrant is on the outer with most of the other crew members as well, especially in that episode, City at the Edge of the World, where both Avon and Cali, take him to task over bullying Villa.

737
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:41.039
And he has that great moment where he sits with Dana, who he views as kind of a natural ally because they came on board together and they had a couple of missions together and everything.

738
00:56:41.099 --> 00:56:43.500
And he says, thanks for your support, Dana.

739
00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:46.019
And she says, well, you know, you're lucky he didn't kill you.

740
00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:47.159
That's what I would have done.

741
00:56:47.219 --> 00:56:49.679
And it's just this incredible moment.

742
00:56:49.739 --> 00:56:52.199
But yeah, it's funny, isn't it?

743
00:56:52.260 --> 00:56:57.300
Because Stephen Pacy has a lot of charisma and the moments where Taryn isn't being a twat.

744
00:56:57.360 --> 00:57:00.780
He's actually really likeable, but the characterisation is working against him.

745
00:57:01.260 --> 00:57:11.460
Yeah, and it's the thing, you know, he's there to try and provide to replace the conflict between Avon and Blake that has been left that has been lost.

746
00:57:11.519 --> 00:57:16.800
I get that. and it's the thing of, well, sometimes it is, and sometimes he isn't.

747
00:57:16.860 --> 00:57:19.320
But I get that that's why it is when he is being annoying.

748
00:57:19.380 --> 00:57:22.739
It is because they're supposed they need someone to do that.

749
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:27.300
But yeah, I'm not sure how I don't know. doesn't always land for me.

750
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:32.639
I just end up finding him annoying instead of enjoying booing him.

751
00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:45.360
I guess it's more fun to have someone having conflict with Ivan from the right, in a sense, rather than from the left in series one and two.

752
00:57:45.420 --> 00:57:58.380
And because, you know, Blake is supposed to be our revolutionary, but he's so posh and he's straight from the Isles of Waitrose, as Pete probably observed early on in maximum power.

753
00:57:58.500 --> 00:58:07.019
He's a really terrible revolutionary, and so I'm kind of not sorry to see him gone, and I do like the conflict between him and between.

754
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:12.239
I do like the conflict between Avon and Tarrant much more than I like the conflict between Avon and Blake.

755
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:21.179
I think the series sets up the conflict between Avon and Blake better and then tries to replicate it with these two.

756
00:58:21.179 --> 00:58:23.400
And like, well, maybe because Terrence's too young.

757
00:58:23.460 --> 00:58:28.019
Yeah, maybe he's just being cast too young and so he looks like kind of a yapping puppy around Avon.

758
00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:35.159
And I'm forced to wonder why they didn't actually go with one of their previous ideas and actually just bring Dell Grant on board.

759
00:58:35.219 --> 00:58:39.780
Tom Chad Borden from Countdown because that had in-built conflict with Avon.

760
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:40.619
That would have been really interesting.

761
00:58:40.679 --> 00:58:51.480
Yeah, well, Big Finish eventually do that when they were when Gisette Simon wouldn't reprise the role of Dana, but they weren't quite willing to recast yet.

762
00:58:51.539 --> 00:58:54.659
And it is a really good dynamic because Tarant doesn't like him.

763
00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:56.280
Oh, interesting.

764
00:58:56.280 --> 00:58:59.400
Yeah, those stories also set post-rumors of death.

765
00:58:59.460 --> 00:59:04.619
So there's a few, it takes a few episodes for Avon to tell Dell what happened.

766
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:09.059
So it's a really interesting dynamic there.

767
00:59:10.019 --> 00:59:14.519
Now, coming in just above Tarrant is Dana on 27.

768
00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:16.139
She is great.

769
00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:17.940
I voted for her up top.

770
00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:19.260
I think I really love her.

771
00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:21.960
Reading between the lines of some of the comments.

772
00:59:22.019 --> 00:59:31.079
I think these lower scores are because she is not terribly well utilised after her 1st 2 episodes.

773
00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:33.539
She doesn't get a focal episode this season.

774
00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:41.400
Arguably aftermath, but that's also Avon and Serverland Focus, whereas everyone else gets a focus episode.

775
00:59:41.460 --> 00:59:44.400
Well, fortunately, she gets a focus episode next year.

776
00:59:48.179 --> 00:59:53.760
I'm starting to understand why Gisette doesn't want to talk...

777
00:59:54.539 --> 00:59:57.000
Did she vote in this, Paul?

778
00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:10.139
I get a strange insight on episodes through my somewhat obsessive work creating gifts for the website because a gift, a good gift moment is either a strong...

779
01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:14.039
I mean, it's a good line, although that's kind of cheating because then that's the script.

780
01:00:14.099 --> 01:00:15.659
But those ones are good.

781
01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:17.940
But then there's a really good reaction or a good action.

782
01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:18.840
Someone does something.

783
01:00:18.900 --> 01:00:22.019
It's quick and punchy and it makes a funny little image to share.

784
01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:25.860
And I'm surprised how few she gets.

785
01:00:25.860 --> 01:00:29.579
And it's because she's so often sort of in the mix.

786
01:00:29.639 --> 01:00:33.059
She's always there and she gets to go on the missions and everything and doing stuff.

787
01:00:33.119 --> 01:00:37.199
But there aren't many moments where it's like, oh, Dana, she's doing something Dana-ish.

788
01:00:37.260 --> 01:00:40.800
Uh, there's, there's a little cybermats for side calling him, didn't we?

789
01:00:40.860 --> 01:00:44.219
Little bombs, but she produces from somewhere in her jumpsuit a couple of times.

790
01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:56.699
But, yeah, I'm hoping next year we get more, I know there's something notorious coming up, but I hope we get a bit more of her being able to have a bit more impetus.

791
01:00:56.760 --> 01:01:05.940
But she works really well as a, as a, she's supposed to be the teenage apprentice looking up to Avon and, and she's, she's great at that.

792
01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:08.340
I love her sarcasm.

793
01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:09.780
Yes, definitely.

794
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:11.400
Her sarcasm is brilliant.

795
01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:14.519
She gives it with both barrels to everyone.

796
01:01:14.579 --> 01:01:15.300
There's a scene.

797
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:23.699
I think it's in Death Watch, where Terrence doing something at the controls and she's just sitting in the foreground, berating him sarcastically, constantly.

798
01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:26.940
So, um, here you say, oh, we should do this and we should do that.

799
01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:29.219
She says, oh, I haven't seen you move that positively in weeks.

800
01:01:29.579 --> 01:01:31.139
She's great.

801
01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:32.219
She gives it to all of them.

802
01:01:32.579 --> 01:01:35.940
And but at the point, she's always giving her all.

803
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:41.820
She's not worked out by episode 4 that oh, I'm only going to get the occasional line to throw in here.

804
01:01:41.880 --> 01:01:43.019
She's always on form.

805
01:01:43.079 --> 01:01:44.340
She's always giving it her rule.

806
01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:49.739
And I think that's, you know, there's no such thing as small parts, only small actors, and I think she is taking that seriously.

807
01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:52.199
Joe Set is so brilliant.

808
01:01:52.260 --> 01:01:57.239
She is such a brilliant actress even at this early stage of her career.

809
01:01:57.300 --> 01:02:02.940
Her talent is phenomenal and there's just such a shame it's not tapped into a bit more.

810
01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:09.239
And anyone that she's given a little bit of banter with, she she clicks it with them.

811
01:02:09.300 --> 01:02:13.920
Like, there's a, um, the, like, villa comes up to her and goes, oh, I'm bored and she goes, you're boring.

812
01:02:20.039 --> 01:02:25.500
And it's funnier coming from her than it would be from anyone else as well because yeah, yeah, she just does it with her.

813
01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:27.719
She doesn't with a smile on her face, doesn't she?

814
01:02:27.780 --> 01:02:30.420
She's very charismatic when she does that.

815
01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:32.820
I think we had a great missed opportunity.

816
01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:45.480
Can you imagine if we'd had the episode where Dana, having lost her father to Serverland, and Callie, having lost her whole home world to Serveland, had teamed up to take down Serverland.

817
01:02:45.539 --> 01:02:50.219
Can you imagine how amazing that episode would have been maybe in place of Moloch, just saying?

818
01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:52.019
Exactly.

819
01:02:52.079 --> 01:03:07.679
And sort of in the Moloch episodes of maximum power, we discussed how wouldn't it have been great if Callie and Dana had been the 2 characters who took down this male orientated civilisation, this planet.

820
01:03:07.739 --> 01:03:14.099
And, you know, there's such a great script there, but obviously Ben Steed was never, ever, ever going to do that.

821
01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:21.000
Yeah, part of me wanted them just to try giving Dana to their men just to see the mince Mitch you would have made out of those fuss.

822
01:03:21.900 --> 01:03:25.199
Well, imagine the girl who killed Baban.

823
01:03:26.820 --> 01:03:29.280
Maybe her best line this season.

824
01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:44.880
So, moving up from the female crew member who was not given enough to do, we have Callie, who not only is given more to do this season, but also plays 3 parts over the course of the season.

825
01:03:44.940 --> 01:03:48.300
Now, Kelly musters 70 points.

826
01:03:48.539 --> 01:03:52.739
She's just solid and dependable, whatever you give her.

827
01:03:52.800 --> 01:04:12.840
And even if it's not very much, She is so, I just really love Jan Chappel, and I think, I really wish we'd had more opportunity to show what she could do as well because things like sarcophagus and children of our on really show how brilliant an actress she was and is.

828
01:04:12.900 --> 01:04:21.360
I actually think a lot of my love for this season is Cali flavoured, because Cali is different in each of the 1st 3 series.

829
01:04:21.420 --> 01:04:27.119
She's a bit so she's a bit weird and lofty in the 1st season while also being a revolutionary.

830
01:04:27.179 --> 01:04:28.500
Then she just disappears into the background.

831
01:04:28.559 --> 01:04:33.300
Here, they strike the right mix, and I think Jan Chappell's performance is subtly different.

832
01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:46.260
And when I think of series C of Blake 7, which, as I've said before as my favourite season of any television show ever, I sort of think of Jan Chappel being really good in it all through it.

833
01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:56.219
And I think of that nuclear group of Avon Villa and Cali, who objectively are the best characters who run through Blake 7 aboard the Liberator.

834
01:04:56.280 --> 01:05:01.619
And it just, it makes me happy thinking of the 3 of them relating together.

835
01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:06.780
I don't know, it's difficult to put my finger on, but there's something about Jane Chalp's performance this season. really works.

836
01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:11.639
She's the moral centre of this series, isn't she?

837
01:05:11.699 --> 01:05:15.360
I think, in many cases, and I think that makes her really strong.

838
01:05:15.420 --> 01:05:32.400
She calls out Avon, which nobody else really dares to do, and she calls out Tarrant, and she stands up for what she thinks is right in a, in many of the situations, which I think is really interesting writing from where she began.

839
01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:44.039
That fantastic moment in rumours of death, you know, where they say of Shrinker, you know, he's an animal or something like that and she says, it's catching, isn't it?

840
01:05:53.099 --> 01:05:55.619
So moving into our top three.

841
01:05:55.679 --> 01:06:05.820
Now, despite getting the most seconds and most thirds, and um, the, pretty much the 3rds seem to weigh him down a bit.

842
01:06:05.880 --> 01:06:09.239
It's villa with 122 points.

843
01:06:09.300 --> 01:06:21.000
Now, I find this fascinating because, of course, Terry Nation wanted to write Villa out in series B, and here he is reliably the 3rd place.

844
01:06:21.480 --> 01:06:31.079
I think writing Gan out is less dramatic because it's impossible to notice any difference on board the Liberator once he's gone.

845
01:06:31.139 --> 01:06:34.320
It is like...

846
01:06:34.380 --> 01:06:34.980
Do you know what I mean?

847
01:06:35.039 --> 01:06:36.719
It's just like, yeah, okay, fine.

848
01:06:37.019 --> 01:06:41.579
So so Killing Villa would have landed, I think.

849
01:06:42.239 --> 01:06:49.440
But only because he really works as a character, which is essentially why it's a dumb idea, I guess.

850
01:06:49.500 --> 01:06:50.340
Yeah.

851
01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:54.300
And the series would be a lot less fun and funny without him.

852
01:06:54.420 --> 01:07:03.599
Because, you know, we've said, you know, Dana gets some really funny lines and that's true, but half of those funny lines are related to Villa.

853
01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:09.719
Yeah, you can't imagine the Avon Callian Gan show going very far, can you?

854
01:07:13.500 --> 01:07:24.480
The thing about his performance, though, too, is that it's incredibly consistent and even. he's always, he's got, he knows how to deliver the lines in a way to make it sound like there's a consistent character there.

855
01:07:24.539 --> 01:07:30.840
You don't get that effect where sometimes, oh, in this episode needs me to be more a character in this direction.

856
01:07:30.900 --> 01:07:32.340
So I'll just nudge my performance here.

857
01:07:32.400 --> 01:07:35.219
He is always you always feel like it's the same person.

858
01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:40.980
So that means coming in 2nd place, of course, we have serverland with 136 points.

859
01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:43.019
Yeah, that's an atrocity.

860
01:07:44.460 --> 01:07:51.960
All of you listeners need to sit down and have a good solid think. about what you've done.

861
01:07:52.320 --> 01:07:57.119
A serve lenses and shorter hour on, they'll have their narrow little minds and other things now.

862
01:07:59.699 --> 01:08:03.420
I mean, look, to be fair, Serverland doesn't work without Avon.

863
01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:14.880
Avon doesn't work without Serverland, so I think they're just they're equally fabulous and important and wonderful, and both actors give such a wonderful portrayal of what material they're given.

864
01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:17.579
Without them, the series would be nothing.

865
01:08:17.640 --> 01:08:20.039
Even with all the praise we've just given Villa.

866
01:08:20.100 --> 01:08:27.420
But I mean, Silverland and Villa together in Moloch is that's the one good thing that happens in Moloch, and it is a really good thing.

867
01:08:27.479 --> 01:08:28.439
It's magnificent.

868
01:08:28.500 --> 01:08:29.399
Yeah.

869
01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:34.680
I do think Servoland works better with an offsider.

870
01:08:34.739 --> 01:08:45.779
And I think the lesson they've learned from Travis is slightly the wrong one, because I think they've learned the lesson with Travis, that if you have an offsider that she's constantly downed on, it doesn't work.

871
01:08:45.899 --> 01:08:53.819
You need to somehow write an offsider who, yes, fails because our heroes need to get away, but is still competent.

872
01:08:53.880 --> 01:08:56.159
And I think we could have had that with Ginka.

873
01:08:56.220 --> 01:08:57.239
Oh, absolutely.

874
01:08:57.239 --> 01:09:08.760
Um, who, you know, and Ginka's whole thing with sort of hubris of thinking he can double cross everyone, including server land, leads to his downfall, and it's completely logical.

875
01:09:08.819 --> 01:09:14.939
But I think if you take that away, you have like a strong lieutenant that she can have by her side.

876
01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:19.920
And I think possibly she would have been higher up if she'd had a constant person to bounce off.

877
01:09:20.279 --> 01:09:22.140
Jarvic.

878
01:09:25.500 --> 01:09:29.760
Well, we're coming up to best server lackey and it's going to be controversial.

879
01:09:29.880 --> 01:09:33.060
I'll keep my power. my powder dry until...

880
01:09:34.500 --> 01:09:40.500
I think also what you were saying, Brendan, about. her having a bit of a feckless offsider.

881
01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:49.739
Villa fits that role in Moloch, but also one of my favourite bits of children of our on, where he's up on the Liberator and she's down on the planet.

882
01:09:49.800 --> 01:09:53.880
She thinks for some reason he's the only crew member left on board Liberator.

883
01:09:53.939 --> 01:09:55.560
And she, so she tries charming him.

884
01:09:55.619 --> 01:09:59.039
She says, having a degree of personal regard for you, Villa.

885
01:09:59.159 --> 01:10:04.979
And they're going, oh, it takes a day to tell you that's lies and bring him back down to her.

886
01:10:06.539 --> 01:10:16.500
Now, I think I think surprising only, Nathan, we have Avon in 1st place with 273 points.

887
01:10:16.800 --> 01:10:29.760
Well, I guess this is a mock of how much Paul Darrow has seized the show and made it his own right from those 1st moments in the Escape Pod Bay.

888
01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:35.699
He is absolutely in control of this show and he doesn't let it go.

889
01:10:35.760 --> 01:10:36.659
He is seizing.

890
01:10:37.140 --> 01:10:38.279
Well, I think we said it before.

891
01:10:38.340 --> 01:10:45.180
He seizes every moment that every opportunity he's given in the previous 2 seasons and then suddenly he is let loose here.

892
01:10:45.239 --> 01:10:48.779
And as Pete said, he even Darrows an apple.

893
01:10:52.319 --> 01:10:55.199
He doesn't eat an athlete, Darrows it.

894
01:10:55.260 --> 01:11:05.640
But that final moment at the end of the end of Aftermath, the camera just zooms in on him, and the theme music starts, and it's Paul Darrow, top of the credits.

895
01:11:05.699 --> 01:11:06.300
Yeah.

896
01:11:06.300 --> 01:11:15.779
And right at the end of the season, it finishes on his smile as he walks off and he's the last one walking off. is his show.

897
01:11:15.899 --> 01:11:19.560
And it's what ought to be, you know, in complete disaster.

898
01:11:19.560 --> 01:11:24.239
And he, in the last, what could have been the last ever shot is him just smiling and walking off.

899
01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:29.340
I'd like to also single out for praise in that in that last shot.

900
01:11:29.399 --> 01:11:34.260
You know, Kelly, Tarrant and Villa sort of turned around with a resigned look at Avon.

901
01:11:34.319 --> 01:11:36.779
Dana looks like she wants to murder.

902
01:11:36.840 --> 01:11:38.460
Adam.

903
01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:41.640
I'm just like, yep, thank you, Gisette.

904
01:11:41.699 --> 01:11:45.600
You're not letting Paul be the only focus of this shot and I agree.

905
01:11:46.380 --> 01:11:52.439
I mean, I think we're quibbling around the edges a little bit of like, you know, Avon got more votes in Serveland or whatever.

906
01:11:52.500 --> 01:11:57.420
The fact is that this series, series C, is the finest moment of everyone involved.

907
01:11:57.479 --> 01:12:00.060
And so it's very difficult to make a determination.

908
01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:02.100
It's an incredible feat.

909
01:12:02.159 --> 01:12:06.060
I mean, I guess you're right, Peter, about it being the best soft reboot ever.

910
01:12:06.119 --> 01:12:19.800
We've lost our male and female leads, and Terry Nation comes back in and retools the show in one episode, which manages to be a proper functional entertaining episode, and then he just makes the show better.

911
01:12:19.859 --> 01:12:22.859
It's astounding how well that starts.

912
01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:27.479
Brendan, did anyone at any point, right in any of your boxes?

913
01:12:27.539 --> 01:12:29.039
Bring back Blake.

914
01:12:29.819 --> 01:12:33.060
Uh, no, quite the opposite.

915
01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:46.079
Because any, you know, there's going to be someone out there who, at the end of when a Doctor Who actor has changed, The overriding response to the new one is bring back the old one.

916
01:12:46.140 --> 01:12:49.920
But the time was right for the Daryl ascendency, wasn't it?

917
01:12:50.399 --> 01:12:58.380
I think I think the time, I think the time was variety in Spacefall for the Derek. frankly.

918
01:12:58.680 --> 01:13:03.539
It was just being patient. playing the long game.

919
01:13:03.659 --> 01:13:17.460
There is a subsection of Blake 7 fandom who think that series B is better than series C, and I think that is a supportable position because they like the Avon and Blake dynamic.

920
01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:27.659
They like Avon not being the central role, but being kind of the sidekick who gets to comment on all the stupid thing, the things that Blake's doing and sort of get all the most interesting bits.

921
01:13:27.720 --> 01:13:37.560
But Siri C is just the characters are more interesting and coupled with the fact that I think you have series high episodes individually.

922
01:13:37.619 --> 01:13:38.760
You can't go past it.

923
01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:42.659
I almost feel like in series C, they're not needing to try.

924
01:13:42.720 --> 01:13:48.300
Like, it all feels so natural and so comfortable in a good way, not in a lazy way.

925
01:13:48.359 --> 01:14:02.220
I think that for me is why I see will win over B. I mean B's got great episodes in it, of course, like Horizon and Killer are my 2 favourites, but even so, they're not just, there's not the same as the retail series C version of the show.

926
01:14:02.279 --> 01:14:04.619
It's just, it's almost different show.

927
01:14:04.739 --> 01:14:09.239
Yeah, it just feels effortless, effortless. doesn't it?

928
01:14:09.300 --> 01:14:11.939
It feels like everyone knows what they're doing.

929
01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:13.619
They know how to make this show.

930
01:14:13.680 --> 01:14:24.960
There's no huge behind the scenes, problems like we've had with all of the other series and everything is just good.

931
01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:27.600
And at a base level, it's good.

932
01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:33.060
And then, and it rises to really high heights when they have the opportunity.

933
01:14:33.060 --> 01:14:41.939
Yeah, I think possibly what, what helps with that is there's a level of tension in every relationship aboard the ship.

934
01:14:43.020 --> 01:15:05.159
Even with, so there's always been tension with Avon and Villa, with Avon and Cali, there's tension throughout, because as we were saying earlier, Cali sort of becomes the moral centre here and doesn't agree with everything Avon does, there's tension between Avon and Tarrant, of course, there's tension between Dana and Villa, there's tension between Dana and Avon at times.

935
01:15:05.220 --> 01:15:08.039
There's tension between Dana and Tarant, even though they're the 2 newbies.

936
01:15:08.100 --> 01:15:09.300
They don't always support each other.

937
01:15:09.359 --> 01:15:11.399
There's tension between Taranton Villa.

938
01:15:11.460 --> 01:15:26.880
So there is in-built tension that even if it's not scripted, the actors can do in looks, and it's kind of like it gives them something to do in the background, Gan never had tension with anyone.

939
01:15:27.239 --> 01:15:31.140
Avon would occasionally put him down and Gam would just go, eh, whatever.

940
01:15:31.199 --> 01:15:32.460
You know what I mean?

941
01:15:32.520 --> 01:15:36.479
Gan does have a bit of a go at being the moral centre from time to time, I think.

942
01:15:36.539 --> 01:15:37.500
Oh, totally.

943
01:15:37.560 --> 01:15:39.239
I think I think that's good.

944
01:15:39.300 --> 01:15:43.619
But again, everyone just shrugs that off because it's Gan. what are you going to do?

945
01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:44.699
Have a headache at me?

946
01:15:57.239 --> 01:16:04.619
Now, I was going to do this a bit later, but we've sort of started to touch on Ginka, Jarvik, Serverland.

947
01:16:04.739 --> 01:16:07.079
So let's look at the server lackeys now.

948
01:16:07.140 --> 01:16:12.060
I'm going to go through the bottom 4 very quickly because there's a big gulf between the top 2 and the bottom four.

949
01:16:12.119 --> 01:16:15.960
So Maury comes in last with 4 votes.

950
01:16:16.020 --> 01:16:19.979
And look, I think Maury's good, but he falls in a volcano.

951
01:16:20.039 --> 01:16:22.380
Daster comes in with two.

952
01:16:22.439 --> 01:16:25.739
I think that's understandable because he's up against Jarvik in the same episode.

953
01:16:25.800 --> 01:16:27.659
Maury comes in with four.

954
01:16:27.720 --> 01:16:33.720
Daryl comes in with 5 and I think he's very good, but again, he's up against Ginka and Jarvik.

955
01:16:33.779 --> 01:16:40.979
Kostos, who I almost forgot about and didn't include, commands a respectable 17.

956
01:16:41.159 --> 01:16:44.159
Costos is amazing if you want a lackey.

957
01:16:44.220 --> 01:16:46.800
You want one who only communicates by clicking their fingers.

958
01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:52.380
Yeah, there is a sort of bond henchman thing about him.

959
01:16:52.439 --> 01:16:54.359
I really like Costos.

960
01:16:54.420 --> 01:16:56.760
I think Costoff is really enjoying herself.

961
01:16:56.819 --> 01:16:59.340
She's an independent character, so she's observing things.

962
01:16:59.340 --> 01:17:01.439
You know, Servland will say something to Avon.

963
01:17:01.500 --> 01:17:06.600
She has this little smile to herself and you think, wow, okay, you know, you've got an independent agenda going on here.

964
01:17:06.840 --> 01:17:09.539
And she gets the continuity right.

965
01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:12.239
Yes, that's right.

966
01:17:12.300 --> 01:17:13.619
She gets the continuity, right?

967
01:17:13.680 --> 01:17:19.380
And she gets a brilliant exit with the hydraulic floor, which will be back next season, spoiler alert.

968
01:17:19.859 --> 01:17:25.199
And possibly the best line of every any dying character, which is...

969
01:17:27.420 --> 01:17:43.739
She does the worst job of manipulating the liberator controls of anybody, and it's not necessarily her fault because Mary Ridge shouldn't have shot it from above, but it's very clear that when she says computed and laid in, she's just waving her fingers in the air rather than touching any actual controls.

970
01:17:43.859 --> 01:17:47.279
That's how the woman in Day of the Darlings operates the control.

971
01:17:47.460 --> 01:17:49.920
Same time, same time zone.

972
01:17:51.359 --> 01:17:57.659
Now, that leaves us with our top 2 of Ginka and Jarvik.

973
01:17:58.020 --> 01:18:01.260
Tell me that this went in the way it should be going.

974
01:18:01.319 --> 01:18:10.439
Now, look, until the final votes were in, it was neck and neck, like every time I looked, it was equal.

975
01:18:10.500 --> 01:18:11.579
Wow.

976
01:18:11.640 --> 01:18:16.380
And I'm going to say we've ended up with a 44 and a 42.

977
01:18:16.680 --> 01:18:25.079
So that is very close to Call It a Tie, but there is a 2nd place in a 1st place.

978
01:18:26.340 --> 01:18:30.420
On 42, we have Ginka.

979
01:18:30.479 --> 01:18:32.039
But madam.

980
01:18:32.100 --> 01:18:37.560
Madam, he's up against a lot of structural racism, I think, basically.

981
01:18:37.619 --> 01:18:43.800
And so it just, you know, a mediocre white man is clearly going to just top him.

982
01:18:43.859 --> 01:18:49.260
He has to do it twice as hard in order to even get 2nd place.

983
01:18:49.319 --> 01:18:55.560
And kudos to Dudley as well for reinforce those structural racism.

984
01:18:55.739 --> 01:18:57.420
Bong.

985
01:18:58.800 --> 01:19:02.279
Look, my 1st choice was Genka.

986
01:19:02.340 --> 01:19:08.699
But with 44 points, I can see why people voted for Javik, even if he is a Ben Steed character.

987
01:19:10.380 --> 01:19:12.239
Well, he's funny.

988
01:19:12.300 --> 01:19:13.619
I mean, he's funny.

989
01:19:13.680 --> 01:19:15.180
That's why people...

990
01:19:17.100 --> 01:19:18.960
He's an artisan.

991
01:19:22.979 --> 01:19:30.000
But it was it was Jarvik who stole the heart of young Janey Del Tarrant, according to that 1st ever slash fiction in this room.

992
01:19:32.159 --> 01:19:40.560
I tell you what, on the Blake 7 scale of hotness, which, as we've established, is from Mova to Agorian, or Agorian to Nova, if you're that way inclined.

993
01:19:40.800 --> 01:19:44.460
Charvik nearly displaces Agrarian.

994
01:19:44.520 --> 01:19:47.939
If that zipper had been undone, it should have hit the rock.

995
01:19:51.000 --> 01:19:56.340
I do think, though, he has he has like a 70s element of hotness.

996
01:19:56.399 --> 01:19:56.760
Yeah.

997
01:19:56.760 --> 01:19:59.760
He just needed the medallion, didn't he?

998
01:19:59.819 --> 01:20:00.479
You know what I mean?

999
01:20:00.539 --> 01:20:03.119
Oh, yeah, it's, yeah, exactly.

1000
01:20:03.180 --> 01:20:09.119
I mean, it's exactly what they thought a hot hunky man looked like in 1979 or just...

1001
01:20:09.180 --> 01:20:10.260
No, probably not.

1002
01:20:10.260 --> 01:20:12.899
The day before, Simon, but yeah, yes, probably.

1003
01:20:12.960 --> 01:20:13.680
They're bit behind.

1004
01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:18.359
It's old spice and well cooked steak.

1005
01:20:19.800 --> 01:20:21.779
And chips.

1006
01:20:29.340 --> 01:20:36.659
I think then, um, and I will say we want justice for Ginka, but we've already had his snug Mario void.

1007
01:20:36.720 --> 01:20:44.039
So Nathan, give me a number between one and three. 2 is the number between one and three.

1008
01:20:44.399 --> 01:20:46.140
Well done.

1009
01:20:46.619 --> 01:21:05.399
So, Nathan, Snog, marry, untimely demise for the insurance money, and your choices are Maury, Anna Grant, and your pick of the 3 ultras. perfect.

1010
01:21:05.460 --> 01:21:08.039
Yeah, well, like who's marrying Anna Grant?

1011
01:21:08.100 --> 01:21:09.779
Like, I'm not marrying Anna Grant.

1012
01:21:09.899 --> 01:21:12.479
Make your counsellor, Chescu.

1013
01:21:12.539 --> 01:21:13.199
Yeah.

1014
01:21:13.319 --> 01:21:15.539
So I'm avoiding her.

1015
01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:31.260
Um, is there, is there an, is there, um, like an ultra who I can snog while thinking of Neva from Face of Evil?

1016
01:21:31.319 --> 01:21:34.020
You can think who, you can think of whatever you want.

1017
01:21:34.079 --> 01:21:34.979
Okay, so let's do that.

1018
01:21:35.039 --> 01:21:37.979
I'll snog one of the Ultra and Maury.

1019
01:21:38.039 --> 01:21:44.579
Well, again, you know, he's he falls into a volcano in a sort of Empedoclean way.

1020
01:21:44.640 --> 01:21:51.420
So I will marry him and inherit whatever, I don't know, he's got a gun, probably.

1021
01:21:51.479 --> 01:21:52.380
I'd get that.

1022
01:21:52.439 --> 01:21:53.760
I don't know, uniform.

1023
01:21:55.560 --> 01:21:59.579
Imagine the blue pastrash you'd get from snogging an ultra.

1024
01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:02.819
Brilliant.

1025
01:22:07.140 --> 01:22:18.359
Okay, so we've talked a lot about what we've liked about characters, so let's talk about who we might write out and who we would introduce in their place.

1026
01:22:18.420 --> 01:22:21.359
So let's go one, two, three.

1027
01:22:21.420 --> 01:22:22.319
Who are we writing out?

1028
01:22:22.380 --> 01:22:23.579
Sorry, 321.

1029
01:22:23.760 --> 01:22:27.600
Three, two, one, Tarrant.

1030
01:22:29.100 --> 01:22:33.420
Tarant got 37 votes to write out.

1031
01:22:33.600 --> 01:22:35.039
And he is top of the list.

1032
01:22:35.100 --> 01:22:38.579
I'm just going to very quickly go through with the numbers and then we can have a general discussion.

1033
01:22:38.640 --> 01:22:44.520
With 15 votes, we have Callie, but also 15 votes for don't write anyone out.

1034
01:22:45.359 --> 01:22:47.340
That's what I have to say.

1035
01:22:47.399 --> 01:22:51.060
I found that question very difficult to answer because it's like, no, no, no, this is the perfect cruise.

1036
01:22:51.119 --> 01:22:52.859
So, well, I, you know.

1037
01:22:53.159 --> 01:22:53.399
Yeah.

1038
01:22:53.699 --> 01:22:59.340
Aurac got 10, Dana and Serverland and Villa all got 5 each.

1039
01:22:59.399 --> 01:23:03.659
Now, Villa, at least 2 of those votes were, let him have his happy ending.

1040
01:23:03.720 --> 01:23:05.520
So it was not, I hate Villa.

1041
01:23:05.579 --> 01:23:08.399
I actually really liked it. the ending in city at the edge of the world.

1042
01:23:10.319 --> 01:23:14.220
Despite the fact he's already gone, Blake got 3 votes.

1043
01:23:16.680 --> 01:23:18.420
Get rid of him again.

1044
01:23:19.319 --> 01:23:23.159
Yeah, which consists of the show doesn't need him.

1045
01:23:23.220 --> 01:23:23.939
Blake.

1046
01:23:24.000 --> 01:23:27.659
Oh, and Blake's gone. prayers were answered.

1047
01:23:27.720 --> 01:23:30.539
Zen got only 2 votes.

1048
01:23:30.600 --> 01:23:31.619
So that's something.

1049
01:23:31.680 --> 01:23:37.560
I'd just like to read out a couple of notable singular votes, which include any of the feds from Moloch.

1050
01:23:37.619 --> 01:23:38.939
Awful story.

1051
01:23:39.000 --> 01:23:42.060
Ben fucking Steed, because his scripts are fucking horrible.

1052
01:23:43.619 --> 01:23:47.279
But that person then also said, oh, all right, Tarrant.

1053
01:23:48.720 --> 01:23:58.560
Someone wanted to write Jarvik out of the show, send him to Femulus, the Planet of the Women, named in True Nation Ease, where he suffers a slow, ignominious death.

1054
01:24:00.420 --> 01:24:06.840
Everyone from Volcano, someone said, Moloch and the Ultras because they suck.

1055
01:24:16.199 --> 01:24:20.939
Um, people felt that Serverland has become a bit repetitive.

1056
01:24:22.319 --> 01:24:27.720
They still like her, but yep, I'm, I, you know, I'm just reading the comments.

1057
01:24:27.779 --> 01:24:31.140
I mean, I do think she's used badly a couple of times this year.

1058
01:24:31.199 --> 01:24:33.359
I mean, server line on screen is never a bad thing.

1059
01:24:33.420 --> 01:24:36.239
But what does she really do in Volcano?

1060
01:24:36.300 --> 01:24:36.840
we care?

1061
01:24:37.319 --> 01:24:39.060
No, I don't care.

1062
01:24:39.119 --> 01:24:39.420
She great.

1063
01:24:39.479 --> 01:24:43.619
Take screen time away from all the other characters in it, which is...

1064
01:24:43.619 --> 01:24:52.199
But this is why I think people say it's repetitive because she just turns up and does serverland things, which we think is great, but actually does happen episode after episode.

1065
01:24:52.800 --> 01:24:55.439
You say that like it's a bad thing.

1066
01:24:55.560 --> 01:24:57.000
Exactly.

1067
01:24:57.000 --> 01:25:11.100
I don't understand. what have you done with the land turning up and doing serverland things is amazing in harvest of chiros and children are our on and those episodes are of a piece in that she's trying to get hold of the liberator.

1068
01:25:11.159 --> 01:25:16.739
She also trying to do that in volcano and it's a lesser episode and it's just another episode where she's trying to do that.

1069
01:25:16.800 --> 01:25:20.039
I see where people are coming from, even though you can never have enough Jackie Pierce.

1070
01:25:20.100 --> 01:25:43.619
No, but then you get that that last 10 minutes of terminal where she comes in and she steals the show from underneath everyone else and you've waited that time and she does not disappoint for those 10 minutes from the she gets a you fool, she gets a maximum power and she gets to best Avon one last time.

1071
01:25:43.619 --> 01:25:45.119
Also, it seems.

1072
01:25:45.180 --> 01:25:49.739
You know, it's, I think that that is incredible.

1073
01:25:49.800 --> 01:26:02.279
She brings that same intensity that she does to the scenes in Star One because Jess Pierce has that ability to ramp up her performance when it's an important part of the show.

1074
01:26:02.340 --> 01:26:07.619
And so that confrontation with Avon is incredible, where her eyes never leave him.

1075
01:26:07.619 --> 01:26:11.279
And she actually looks like there might be tears welling very slightly.

1076
01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:16.800
Also, have you noticed that when it gets really important, she never calls him Avon.

1077
01:26:16.859 --> 01:26:18.539
She calls him Avon.

1078
01:26:18.600 --> 01:26:19.800
She goes very French.

1079
01:26:22.859 --> 01:26:30.119
I would just like to read out some of our some of our listeners' reasonings with Server Lane because there is some some comments.

1080
01:26:30.180 --> 01:26:31.619
Oh, you know, she got a bit repetitive.

1081
01:26:31.680 --> 01:26:38.340
But there's also comments like her perishing along with the liberator would have been a fitting end.

1082
01:26:38.399 --> 01:26:41.520
So again, it's that appropriateness of writing out a character.

1083
01:26:41.579 --> 01:26:47.460
One interesting suggestion is have her missing for the season and then bring her back next year.

1084
01:26:47.579 --> 01:26:49.140
But of course, we don't know.

1085
01:26:49.199 --> 01:26:50.939
We're getting next year at this stage.

1086
01:26:51.000 --> 01:26:53.159
And that would have been more surprising.

1087
01:26:53.220 --> 01:26:59.460
Someone says they do think that she went down with the liberator and next year's serverland is a clone.

1088
01:27:00.180 --> 01:27:04.199
Clonemasters or our own either arguably that.

1089
01:27:04.260 --> 01:27:06.899
Well, they yeah, yeah, they can't be our on Avon.

1090
01:27:06.960 --> 01:27:09.960
Yeah, it's up to you.

1091
01:27:10.020 --> 01:27:15.300
The inclusion of that scene of her flinging herself into the teleport is an interesting choice, isn't it?

1092
01:27:15.359 --> 01:27:16.439
Yeah, yeah.

1093
01:27:16.500 --> 01:27:22.680
Well, it's like taking Aurak off the ship, you know, like it's just in case, just in case we have the next view.

1094
01:27:22.800 --> 01:27:31.020
Can I please make a claim for that scene, the scene where Villa saves Aurak as being the best scene in all of Blake 7.

1095
01:27:31.079 --> 01:27:37.560
I have always loved that scene ever since I was a child and I was besotted by terminal when I saw it.

1096
01:27:37.619 --> 01:27:38.699
I thought it was the best thing ever.

1097
01:27:38.760 --> 01:27:39.539
I still do, really.

1098
01:27:39.600 --> 01:27:42.300
And it's just, it's so Blake 7.

1099
01:27:42.359 --> 01:27:45.960
I can't imagine that scene happening in any other show.

1100
01:27:46.020 --> 01:27:56.819
So right at the end where you've had all this drama and the villains got the ship and they're all going to be marooned, villas, the last character left aboard, and he's got Costos ready to teleport him down.

1101
01:27:57.000 --> 01:28:04.619
And in any other show, it would have been there would have been some elaborate ploy or something called they would have had to have glossed over it.

1102
01:28:04.680 --> 01:28:08.939
But no, here they say, oh, we've got to get Aurak off the ship or give Villa a bit.

1103
01:28:09.000 --> 01:28:10.619
And it's amazing.

1104
01:28:10.680 --> 01:28:12.600
Villagers plays, oh, just a second.

1105
01:28:12.659 --> 01:28:13.560
Let me take this.

1106
01:28:13.619 --> 01:28:15.000
It's a sculpture I built it.

1107
01:28:15.060 --> 01:28:16.260
He said, you're not going to make me leave it.

1108
01:28:16.319 --> 01:28:21.960
Cut back to Costos going, oh, all right. it goes.

1109
01:28:22.020 --> 01:28:23.880
And it's absolutely incredible.

1110
01:28:23.939 --> 01:28:30.239
It's a scene that sums up why Blake 7 is so great and so different from any other show for me.

1111
01:28:32.279 --> 01:28:43.439
Now, moving on to our listeners top pick, Tarrant, what do we think about introducing Tarrant and then writing him out in the same series?

1112
01:28:43.500 --> 01:28:45.420
No, that's madness.

1113
01:28:45.479 --> 01:28:47.640
And he's even better next year, so no.

1114
01:28:47.699 --> 01:28:50.220
Yeah, people are just there clutching at stores.

1115
01:28:50.279 --> 01:28:51.840
There's no one who you want to write out.

1116
01:28:51.899 --> 01:28:54.239
People, it's just Tarrant can be a little bit annoying sometimes.

1117
01:28:54.359 --> 01:28:57.359
What he needed to be was better characterised, not written out.

1118
01:28:57.479 --> 01:29:06.300
And even then, I think that this sort of tarantate that seems to be going on is I don't see is very justified at all.

1119
01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:07.500
I think he's great.

1120
01:29:07.560 --> 01:29:09.479
That's sort of surprising.

1121
01:29:09.539 --> 01:29:14.640
Is it just that he's mean to Villa and Avant, maybe.

1122
01:29:15.420 --> 01:29:21.180
I mean, maybe I maybe I just like him a lot because he's not Gareth Thomas.

1123
01:29:21.239 --> 01:29:25.619
And so I, I, that's where I'm coming from.

1124
01:29:25.619 --> 01:29:26.939
I've always likes Terence.

1125
01:29:26.939 --> 01:29:32.520
So according to our listeners, the word twat is mentioned about 5 times.

1126
01:29:32.579 --> 01:29:33.539
That's fair.

1127
01:29:34.140 --> 01:29:37.260
Hannah, how many times did Hannah vote?

1128
01:29:37.560 --> 01:29:39.720
I was supposed to say.

1129
01:29:39.779 --> 01:29:41.039
What?

1130
01:29:41.039 --> 01:29:46.260
Prick comes on. arrogant about talent, not us.

1131
01:29:48.180 --> 01:29:50.640
Death by perm.

1132
01:29:50.640 --> 01:29:54.420
They're definitely not talking about us.

1133
01:29:54.479 --> 01:29:57.359
Eaten by a Kyrosian ant.

1134
01:29:59.579 --> 01:30:02.279
Taryn, even though he's pretty.

1135
01:30:02.640 --> 01:30:09.119
Now, someone does say, I like Tarant as much as the next person, which, okay, about two-thirds.

1136
01:30:09.119 --> 01:30:10.979
About two-thirds of you, maybe.

1137
01:30:11.460 --> 01:30:21.180
I find the character somewhat lacking, I would have preferred him to have gone out in a different perspective finale with the liberator crew caught in an ambush in a large scale attack above terminal.

1138
01:30:21.180 --> 01:30:31.680
In the process, Tarrant would secretly allow federation troopers to board the liberator and then take over the ship from the inside, killing another member of the bridge cruise, such as Cali.

1139
01:30:31.739 --> 01:30:33.060
Wow, bloodthirsty.

1140
01:30:33.119 --> 01:30:36.119
So one of two, one of 2 things happens.

1141
01:30:36.180 --> 01:30:38.279
Tarantinabon, get into a scuffle.

1142
01:30:38.340 --> 01:30:43.680
Avon successfully manages to kill Tarrant for killing Callie in a spectacular way, like throwing him off the roof of a building.

1143
01:30:43.979 --> 01:30:53.340
Or fuelled by anger at Taron's betrayal, Avon leads a prison break, which causes absolute chaos on terminal, and then he finds Taron and kills him.

1144
01:30:53.399 --> 01:30:57.479
So this is going with the original idea that Tarrant would be a traitor.

1145
01:30:58.140 --> 01:31:01.439
This doesn't feel superior to terminal to me.

1146
01:31:01.500 --> 01:31:05.159
No, I'm so sad that we never got this season finale by Alan Pryor.

1147
01:31:08.220 --> 01:31:19.140
I think it's an interesting idea, but I also think having a traitor on board for 13 weeks kind of undermines the intelligence of the rest of the crew, even more, even more.

1148
01:31:20.220 --> 01:31:25.380
Even when Terry Nation toyed with the idea of replacing Gan with a traitor.

1149
01:31:25.439 --> 01:31:27.539
I think it was only a 3 or 4 episodes thing.

1150
01:31:27.600 --> 01:31:35.640
Wouldn't have been amazing to have had the Ginka miniarch, though, where Stoverland charged Ginka with going undercover and becoming a member of the crew.

1151
01:31:35.699 --> 01:31:46.619
You had had all these amazing scenes where Genka would have been pretending to be a good guy on the bridge for liberation and skulking away into a corridor to say, madam, I think I've got them this time.

1152
01:31:46.680 --> 01:31:47.819
It would been amazing.

1153
01:31:50.939 --> 01:32:01.140
I will say, I will say as well, that some people do think that Tarrant could have had a heroic death by saving his brother, and then we can bring Dieter on board as someone puts it.

1154
01:32:01.199 --> 01:32:02.939
That wig for a whole year.

1155
01:32:03.060 --> 01:32:10.380
Exchange regular Tarrant for British home stores, Tarrant. is what I meant.

1156
01:32:20.220 --> 01:32:25.680
And that brings us that brings us neatly into who would we have as a new regular?

1157
01:32:25.739 --> 01:32:31.439
And there are a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot of nominees here.

1158
01:32:31.560 --> 01:32:34.380
So I'm just going to go through rapid fire, everyone who got one vote.

1159
01:32:35.819 --> 01:32:41.520
So someone, someone has got their episode counts a bit confused and voted for Dorian.

1160
01:32:44.579 --> 01:32:46.260
Someone else suggests...

1161
01:32:46.260 --> 01:32:46.920
He's on his way.

1162
01:32:46.979 --> 01:32:47.520
Yeah.

1163
01:32:48.359 --> 01:33:00.180
Someone else suggested an ultra who can their sort of mission aboard the ship can be trying to get people to have sex everywhere they go and groping in Aurac as a research assistant.

1164
01:33:00.239 --> 01:33:02.699
Or in other ways, through nothing.

1165
01:33:02.760 --> 01:33:03.420
Yeah.

1166
01:33:03.899 --> 01:33:09.479
Someone did suggest the alien. as you nominated earlier, Peter could be interesting.

1167
01:33:09.539 --> 01:33:19.020
Sherm or Noll from City on the City at the Edge of the World. someone suggested Vinnie to piss off Tarrant.

1168
01:33:19.079 --> 01:33:23.939
Max the newscaster because he's a sweetheart, dear, dearly Miss Stuart Bevan.

1169
01:33:24.420 --> 01:33:24.960
Yep.

1170
01:33:25.020 --> 01:33:28.920
Franton, to give Callie someone to bounce off.

1171
01:33:28.979 --> 01:33:30.899
Captain Shadd got a vote.

1172
01:33:32.520 --> 01:33:35.279
How about the very handsome Pater?

1173
01:33:35.460 --> 01:33:36.899
No?

1174
01:33:36.960 --> 01:33:38.640
No one suggested Paytar, unfortunately.

1175
01:33:38.699 --> 01:33:40.680
He and Franton are going to be busy.

1176
01:33:40.739 --> 01:33:43.260
What about Milas and his stupid brother?

1177
01:33:43.319 --> 01:33:48.239
No one suggest you'll be glad to know that no one suggested my listener's stupid brother.

1178
01:33:48.300 --> 01:33:53.159
I'm hopping the number of female characters who could have Z and Bar and Chazel and Pula.

1179
01:33:57.119 --> 01:34:03.600
Someone said Blake for obvious reasons, and I have no idea what those reasons could possibly be.

1180
01:34:04.260 --> 01:34:05.939
That was one.

1181
01:34:06.180 --> 01:34:09.000
I need to read this one verbatim.

1182
01:34:10.140 --> 01:34:17.579
Bring back Siobhan as a space tabloid talk show host so he can reveal Dita to be Dell's brother.

1183
01:34:18.119 --> 01:34:21.840
Zelda as Kelly's sister.

1184
01:34:22.319 --> 01:34:24.960
Too much thought went into that.

1185
01:34:25.020 --> 01:34:33.180
I suspect that might be Colin, but if that's you, please add us on one of our social media accounts because I laughed for 5 minutes.

1186
01:34:34.800 --> 01:34:36.239
Cool.

1187
01:34:36.300 --> 01:34:44.159
Getting into the twos, we have 2 people suggested Costos, Shrinker, Fores, who is David Haig.

1188
01:34:44.220 --> 01:34:47.159
Then we get into 5 people didn't want to add anyone.

1189
01:34:47.220 --> 01:34:51.539
Five people. and look, folks, I just want to talk.

1190
01:34:51.600 --> 01:34:53.279
I just want to talk.

1191
01:34:53.340 --> 01:34:54.539
I'm not judging.

1192
01:34:54.600 --> 01:34:55.800
I just want to talk.

1193
01:34:56.039 --> 01:34:57.840
Molok.

1194
01:35:00.899 --> 01:35:01.979
Here are the reasons.

1195
01:35:02.159 --> 01:35:04.680
To wind up Paul Darrow.

1196
01:35:05.640 --> 01:35:08.159
Because Deep Roy is brilliant.

1197
01:35:08.220 --> 01:35:12.420
Fair, because the show needs a regular shoddy puppet character to laugh at.

1198
01:35:12.479 --> 01:35:13.260
That's true.

1199
01:35:13.319 --> 01:35:14.819
What about Tarant?

1200
01:35:14.880 --> 01:35:19.859
For pure comedy value and that is who I reasoned it should be.

1201
01:35:22.439 --> 01:35:27.300
Now, we now get into some more interesting nominations.

1202
01:35:27.359 --> 01:35:28.500
So with 7 votes each.

1203
01:35:28.560 --> 01:35:33.420
We have Anna, section leader, Clegg, and Hal Melonby.

1204
01:35:33.479 --> 01:35:34.979
Oh, yes, Hal Mellonby.

1205
01:35:35.039 --> 01:35:36.239
That would have been a great dynamic.

1206
01:35:36.300 --> 01:35:37.319
So that's a better one, yeah.

1207
01:35:37.380 --> 01:35:37.680
Yeah.

1208
01:35:37.739 --> 01:35:42.840
Well, pretty much everyone who suggested how Mellonby said it was to help expand Dana's character.

1209
01:35:43.500 --> 01:35:49.020
He's a very, I thought, I was thinking about how, now, mate. a very series A character.

1210
01:35:49.079 --> 01:35:51.539
There's just something very straight down the line about him.

1211
01:35:52.020 --> 01:35:55.199
Understandable with deterrenation creation.

1212
01:35:55.260 --> 01:35:57.060
Um, I don't know.

1213
01:35:57.119 --> 01:35:57.600
I don't know.

1214
01:35:57.659 --> 01:36:01.020
Yeah, that's as much as I've got to say.

1215
01:36:01.079 --> 01:36:03.539
I just can't actually now think how to back that up.

1216
01:36:03.600 --> 01:36:05.579
But it just he's just got a series A vibes.

1217
01:36:05.640 --> 01:36:07.920
Yeah, because he's got that federation-y backstory.

1218
01:36:07.979 --> 01:36:11.159
It's like Blake giving his backstory.

1219
01:36:11.220 --> 01:36:13.500
Yeah, he's from that world that has a dome.

1220
01:36:13.619 --> 01:36:17.460
Yeah, does that woman like Miriam Margoli sat around doing judgements?

1221
01:36:17.579 --> 01:36:20.819
That universe, which actually Blake's heaven has now drifted away from.

1222
01:36:20.880 --> 01:36:22.260
Alta Morag.

1223
01:36:22.319 --> 01:36:23.279
That's someone.

1224
01:36:23.340 --> 01:36:26.579
But I mean, he's an incredible actor giving a great performance.

1225
01:36:26.640 --> 01:36:27.840
It's a good choice.

1226
01:36:27.960 --> 01:36:33.300
Yes, he's incredibly well played, but also I think he's one of those rarities in the Blake 7 universe.

1227
01:36:33.359 --> 01:36:34.800
He an unambiguous good guy.

1228
01:36:37.199 --> 01:36:57.659
Another point I want to raise that a viewer brought in about it, and I think it's important to note is, you know, we're still at a time where we're talking about disability representation on television, and he is a character with a disability who has created a device to help himself live with that disability.

1229
01:36:57.720 --> 01:37:04.439
And this respondent says that something so rare on television at the time, and because we're in the future.

1230
01:37:04.800 --> 01:37:07.140
It's something to aspire to.

1231
01:37:07.199 --> 01:37:34.979
And I think also given that Dana being cast as a black character played by a black actor and mostly avoiding stereotyping, the show doesn't always avoid stereotyping her, but mostly avoiding it, especially compared to the shows at the time. modern day black actors, including Yasmin Bannerman, who now plays Dana, have cited, seeing Dana on television as an inspiration for getting her into acting.

1232
01:37:35.039 --> 01:37:44.520
And yeah, so I don't think it's something the show would have thought about in terms of Howell's blindness, but I think it's a really excellent point from one of our listeners.

1233
01:37:44.579 --> 01:37:45.000
So thank you.

1234
01:37:45.300 --> 01:37:50.939
I think it's another thing that we can loud this season for that.

1235
01:37:51.060 --> 01:37:56.819
Yeah, at a time when it was very rare to see faces that weren't Caucasian on British television.

1236
01:37:56.880 --> 01:38:03.000
You have Dana as lead character, which gives you the opportunity to have Hal Mellonby in a very strong role in an episode.

1237
01:38:03.060 --> 01:38:12.300
And also you've got an Asian actor. playing a very good role, which doesn't rely on him being Asian or, you know, taking pot shots at his ethnicity or whatever.

1238
01:38:12.359 --> 01:38:14.819
And I think that's something which is really good for the show.

1239
01:38:14.880 --> 01:38:15.420
Yeah.

1240
01:38:16.199 --> 01:38:22.859
The other 2 in that bracket are Anna Grant and section leader Clegg.

1241
01:38:22.920 --> 01:38:24.420
Now the votes for Clegg are split.

1242
01:38:24.479 --> 01:38:27.960
Half the people want him on the crew and the other half want him to replace Travis.

1243
01:38:28.020 --> 01:38:29.880
Now, that would be good.

1244
01:38:30.720 --> 01:38:33.420
I think it replaced Travis with Ginka.

1245
01:38:33.479 --> 01:38:34.199
You've got to.

1246
01:38:34.439 --> 01:38:35.880
Yep.

1247
01:38:35.939 --> 01:38:48.119
And for Anna, everyone wants her to join the crew who voted for her, one person has said, you can then leave Tarrant behind for the resistance on earth, you know, and that one person was me.

1248
01:38:49.739 --> 01:38:54.359
But also, people have pointed out, it adds a new dimension to the Avon Cali relationship.

1249
01:39:03.420 --> 01:39:10.800
Now, coming in with 12 points apiece, and for very different reasons, we have Carol and Ginka.

1250
01:39:10.859 --> 01:39:12.539
Hmm.

1251
01:39:12.539 --> 01:39:31.739
I mean, I just think Ginka possibly wouldn't have worked as a fully fledged member of the crew, but he could have, he could have been there in an undercover capacity, and that goes back to the original plan that they had for the season, which was to have had the captain, who was meant to be a federation officer, and it was very much, was he going to betray them to the federation?

1252
01:39:31.800 --> 01:39:47.819
I think a character like Ginker has just has so many levels and he's played so well that it could only have brought interest to scenes aboard the Liberator, which I'm not sure that Terence character does all that much beyond kind of bulk standard friction with the other characters.

1253
01:39:48.119 --> 01:39:53.039
I just, yeah, Genka would have just brightened up the season, I think.

1254
01:39:53.100 --> 01:40:14.039
Yeah, I think I was, I voted for, to be added, with that idea, and with it being him, you know, Servoland, I imagine Servoland stranding him on a space, on an asteroid or something, and then him fighting his way back and teaming up with them and his bitterness towards Servoland could then actually start getting them into peril by taking risks and that sort of thing.

1255
01:40:14.460 --> 01:40:24.119
I was actually just reading what I now know is your comment, Pete, because there's a bit at the end, which I forgot to mention earlier, that I will come back round to that for your suggestion.

1256
01:40:24.180 --> 01:40:25.859
Your other suggestion.

1257
01:40:25.920 --> 01:40:27.119
I won't spoil what it is now.

1258
01:40:27.180 --> 01:40:32.939
But yeah, I will, I will say though, Pete, that you were the outlier in in that of having him join the liberator.

1259
01:40:33.000 --> 01:40:36.779
Everyone else wanted to see him replace Travis who voted for him.

1260
01:40:36.840 --> 01:40:44.579
And yeah, I think that's a really, a really interesting idea, especially because it's made very clear that he has his own motivations.

1261
01:40:44.640 --> 01:40:47.819
And I mean, Travis had a motivation as well to kill Blake.

1262
01:40:48.060 --> 01:40:52.920
Ginka has a personal motivation to his own power.

1263
01:40:52.979 --> 01:40:56.220
So that would have been a very interesting dynamic with Serbaland.

1264
01:40:56.279 --> 01:41:00.659
Yeah, and you're going to have to come up with interesting reasons for him to fail as well.

1265
01:41:00.659 --> 01:41:03.720
Because we don't want him to kill so long because she's entertaining.

1266
01:41:03.779 --> 01:41:12.180
And compare how interesting he is in children of hour on every scene that he's in is entertaining with Maury in Volcano, who just makes no impact at all.

1267
01:41:12.600 --> 01:41:13.979
Yep.

1268
01:41:14.039 --> 01:41:15.600
Absolutely Yeah.

1269
01:41:15.659 --> 01:41:18.000
You're talking about my husband there, Peter.

1270
01:41:21.060 --> 01:41:23.039
Now, and then we have Carol.

1271
01:41:23.100 --> 01:41:26.340
I think that spoils the episode.

1272
01:41:26.399 --> 01:41:34.739
I think City at the Edge of the World is set in this sort of slightly different version of Blake 7 where Villa gets to be heroic.

1273
01:41:34.800 --> 01:41:38.100
It's like the Zeppo in Buffy.

1274
01:41:38.159 --> 01:41:42.060
You know, the, it's, and so it has to be contained.

1275
01:41:42.119 --> 01:41:48.359
Once you have someone who loves Villa kind of following him around all the time that just wrecks the character.

1276
01:41:48.420 --> 01:41:51.840
He has to be a bit of a loser, I think, for it to work.

1277
01:41:52.920 --> 01:41:56.340
I do like one comment from a listener here.

1278
01:41:56.399 --> 01:42:13.439
Um, which is she would sort of stick up for Villa against um, against Avon and Tarrant, and it just brought to mind that meme of, um, from one of the Raimi Spider-Man films where Peter Parker's looking very sort of sullen and Mary Jane is looking over her shoulder saying, he said he's this.

1279
01:42:15.840 --> 01:42:19.079
No, I think I agree with you there.

1280
01:42:19.140 --> 01:42:28.020
Yeah, part of Villa's charm is that he's a he's a bit of a loser, but it also means any viewer can feel like they can be on the ship.

1281
01:42:28.079 --> 01:42:29.640
You know what I mean?

1282
01:42:29.699 --> 01:42:39.720
It's a bit like people who think they're Rick from Rick and Morty are actually Jerry, whereas a lot of people, a lot of people would just accept that they're Jerry.

1283
01:42:39.779 --> 01:42:40.500
You know what I mean?

1284
01:42:40.560 --> 01:42:43.920
It's kind of like, if you think you're Avon, you're actually Villa.

1285
01:42:43.979 --> 01:42:50.880
And also, Carol's nothing that we haven't seen before, when she's in hard-nosed mode, she's Su Lin, when she's in insipid mode, she's Calli.

1286
01:42:53.939 --> 01:42:58.500
Moving up the list, 14 people wanted to bring in Dita.

1287
01:42:58.560 --> 01:43:02.460
But only about half of them wanted to write out Tarrant.

1288
01:43:02.520 --> 01:43:07.079
The other half actually wanted to either...

1289
01:43:07.140 --> 01:43:08.880
Or Stephen P All the time.

1290
01:43:08.939 --> 01:43:12.119
They wanted to they wanted to see like a brotherly dynamic.

1291
01:43:12.180 --> 01:43:17.340
They wanted to see Stephen Pacey, you know, stretch his acting wings a bit.

1292
01:43:17.399 --> 01:43:25.140
They also wanted to challenge and drive mad the production team of having that much split screen going on.

1293
01:43:25.260 --> 01:43:31.500
Well, how about, let's give them that for the first, I don't know, 5 minutes of terminal that it would have lasted.

1294
01:43:31.560 --> 01:43:32.399
Yeah.

1295
01:43:32.399 --> 01:43:32.939
Yeah.

1296
01:43:36.000 --> 01:43:39.180
Do we have a preference of Dieter or Del Tarrant?

1297
01:43:39.239 --> 01:43:42.960
Oh, the Wig rules Dieter out, the Wiggers.

1298
01:43:49.800 --> 01:43:56.579
And finally, with 15 votes, we have Bay Ban the Butcher.

1299
01:43:58.560 --> 01:44:03.060
Oh, and by the way, one special vote for Babe and the Butcher's hair.

1300
01:44:03.119 --> 01:44:04.739
His home counting hair.

1301
01:44:04.800 --> 01:44:06.420
So thank you for the person who wrote that in.

1302
01:44:06.479 --> 01:44:10.020
I think I would have preferred a stupid son of a slime crawler.

1303
01:44:11.760 --> 01:44:15.600
The show couldn't support Colin Baker as well.

1304
01:44:15.720 --> 01:44:17.159
No, no.

1305
01:44:17.579 --> 01:44:20.100
Mainly supports him for 50 minutes.

1306
01:44:23.159 --> 01:44:26.399
Yeah, I think some of our listeners are thinking we're all credins right now.

1307
01:44:27.779 --> 01:44:30.239
Oh, I love I love Colin.

1308
01:44:30.300 --> 01:44:37.500
I love Colin's era of Doctor Who, but I just think that his performance in that is why Paul Darrow does what he does in Time Lash.

1309
01:44:37.560 --> 01:44:38.520
Oh, absolutely.

1310
01:44:38.579 --> 01:44:54.000
Totally Look, I like to think that if Colin knew it was going to be a recurring role, he would have done a different performance, you know, it's a bit like Fraser Hines talks about when he started playing Jamie, he did one accent that he knew he could maintain for 4 weeks.

1311
01:44:54.060 --> 01:44:59.579
As soon as he knew he was going to be around longer, he changed the accent to something which was easier on the ear.

1312
01:44:59.640 --> 01:45:09.840
I think if Colin knew he was going to say do 6 episodes, he would have put he would have split that performance over 6 episodes and that power over success.

1313
01:45:09.899 --> 01:45:12.420
Brandon, I'm absolutely certain that he wouldn't have.

1314
01:45:17.159 --> 01:45:20.880
He'd have kept that energy up the whole time.

1315
01:45:21.060 --> 01:45:27.420
And again, Baban can't escape from that slight parallel universe that is sitting at the edge of the world.

1316
01:45:27.479 --> 01:45:31.020
He's our villain in that version of Blake 7.

1317
01:45:31.079 --> 01:45:32.100
That's where he belongs.

1318
01:45:32.159 --> 01:45:36.479
He wouldn't work in something like children of our Ron or sarcophagus at all.

1319
01:45:36.539 --> 01:45:38.100
He doesn't belong there, does he?

1320
01:45:38.159 --> 01:45:44.340
Look, again, our listeners are split as to whether he joined Servoland side or whether he's aboard the liberator.

1321
01:45:44.399 --> 01:45:47.220
I don't think I can't see Serverland putting up with him, though.

1322
01:45:47.279 --> 01:45:48.359
No, absolutely.

1323
01:45:48.420 --> 01:45:52.560
The kill switch would have been, the kill switch would have been activated very early.

1324
01:45:52.619 --> 01:46:00.779
She's already got Jarvik in a sort of dungeon downstairs on that stupid shit, like watching her do with Colin, but kill him all.

1325
01:46:00.840 --> 01:46:02.520
Yeah, even worse.

1326
01:46:02.579 --> 01:46:05.460
You can't imagine her saying to Bean, I should like you to do it again.

1327
01:46:05.579 --> 01:46:06.899
Oh, no, you wouldn't.

1328
01:46:06.899 --> 01:46:12.300
Yes, I don't need to know anything more about that share house.

1329
01:46:21.539 --> 01:46:27.119
Now, I'm just going to circle back around because there's another sort of low vote category.

1330
01:46:27.180 --> 01:46:30.000
I accidentally skipped over, and that is the alien.

1331
01:46:30.239 --> 01:46:32.939
The sarcophagus alien.

1332
01:46:33.000 --> 01:46:38.220
Someone said, and these exact words because I asked, who would you bring in and why?

1333
01:46:38.279 --> 01:46:42.000
They said Sexy Ginger Cali because Sexy Ginger Cali?

1334
01:46:42.180 --> 01:46:46.920
But also, I quite like Pete's idea.

1335
01:46:46.979 --> 01:46:53.579
This is what Pete wrote after after he came up with his area of Ginker joining the crew.

1336
01:46:53.640 --> 01:46:58.199
Also, have Kelly and the alien merge into Kalien.

1337
01:46:58.979 --> 01:47:01.319
Kalian. proud of that.

1338
01:47:02.640 --> 01:47:05.760
And he's even written a sample section of script.

1339
01:47:07.079 --> 01:47:09.960
Kalen, teleport us back up now.

1340
01:47:10.020 --> 01:47:10.739
What's keeping?

1341
01:47:10.800 --> 01:47:13.800
I'm reading a magazine.

1342
01:47:16.859 --> 01:47:23.279
She would have discovered Callie's stash of mags and things that she just reads while everyone else is not having adventure.

1343
01:47:23.760 --> 01:47:28.739
Just that visor from series A with the...

1344
01:47:28.800 --> 01:47:30.899
Yeah, I was the little warpman, yeah.

1345
01:47:30.960 --> 01:47:33.359
I mean, she's been in a void for squillion years.

1346
01:47:33.420 --> 01:47:36.239
She's going to love having a copy of woman's realm and a Walkman to listen to.

1347
01:47:36.359 --> 01:47:37.800
It's going to blow a mind.

1348
01:47:43.920 --> 01:47:52.500
Okay, now we're going to come back. to the Kalien in a moment to discuss doppelgangers, but it's time for Snog, marry, avoid.

1349
01:47:53.460 --> 01:48:00.239
Now, I am going to ask Pete. to give me a number between one and two.

1350
01:48:01.319 --> 01:48:04.319
Um I'm not going to be fedantic.

1351
01:48:04.380 --> 01:48:06.300
Like, like, Professor Nathan.

1352
01:48:07.319 --> 01:48:09.899
Give me a choice of one and two. six.

1353
01:48:10.800 --> 01:48:14.939
Give me an integer of one or two.

1354
01:48:15.000 --> 01:48:16.560
One did you say?

1355
01:48:16.680 --> 01:48:18.119
One.

1356
01:48:18.119 --> 01:48:18.899
Okay.

1357
01:48:18.960 --> 01:48:20.579
Actually, this is totally appropriate.

1358
01:48:20.640 --> 01:48:24.000
Snog, marry, haven't I seen you somewhere before?

1359
01:48:24.060 --> 01:48:30.239
The alien, Data Tarrant, or Blake with a beard.

1360
01:48:30.420 --> 01:48:32.760
Oh, Blake with a beard.

1361
01:48:33.420 --> 01:48:36.359
Yeah, I mean, plate with the beard is kind of hot.

1362
01:48:36.420 --> 01:48:36.720
Yeah.

1363
01:48:37.140 --> 01:48:40.920
Yeah, I'm going to say, yeah, I'll snug Blake with a beard.

1364
01:48:40.979 --> 01:48:42.600
DJ Tarrant, the wig.

1365
01:48:42.659 --> 01:48:46.500
I think snogging Blake with a beard would be a drug induced and electronic dream, don't you?

1366
01:48:50.640 --> 01:48:54.779
Uh, yeah, um, avoid detail.

1367
01:48:54.840 --> 01:48:56.939
He's a crap assassin anyway.

1368
01:48:59.039 --> 01:49:04.199
And yeah, I'm going to marry that alien galley, it's going to be a wild ride.

1369
01:49:04.260 --> 01:49:05.760
Yeah, that's going to be, yeah.

1370
01:49:05.819 --> 01:49:07.260
Fantastic.

1371
01:49:07.319 --> 01:49:10.500
I'm just so relieved I've got characters whose names I remembered.

1372
01:49:10.560 --> 01:49:16.800
I was poised to Google anyone that you're any character. petrified by this segment.

1373
01:49:18.060 --> 01:49:24.060
Okay, Simon, I can guarantee you with the one I have left, you know who these people are.

1374
01:49:24.180 --> 01:49:25.319
Fantastic.

1375
01:49:25.439 --> 01:49:26.279
Okay.

1376
01:49:26.340 --> 01:49:27.720
You might be surprised as well.

1377
01:49:29.699 --> 01:49:30.060
Okay, okay.

1378
01:49:36.119 --> 01:49:46.739
Right, so, um, coming back, we have our doppelgangers segment, and we have a surprising amount of doppelgangers this season, half of whom are played by Jan Chappel.

1379
01:49:46.800 --> 01:49:57.960
So our choices were Zelda, in Children of Aron, played by Jan Chappell, the alien in sarcophagus, played by Jan Chappell.

1380
01:49:58.020 --> 01:49:59.880
The link Carrots.

1381
01:49:59.939 --> 01:50:01.560
Terminal, played by Chad Chappell.

1382
01:50:05.699 --> 01:50:11.819
Dita Tarrant. in Death Watch, played by Stephen Pacey.

1383
01:50:11.880 --> 01:50:22.140
And a drug induced hallucination Blake with a beard in Terminal, played by Gary...

1384
01:50:22.920 --> 01:50:25.680
On a break from the Royal Shakespeare company.

1385
01:50:25.739 --> 01:50:34.319
I'm going to do the three, two, one thing again, and I want you to shout out which of those four, you think, one, three, two, one, alien.

1386
01:50:34.380 --> 01:50:35.159
Alien.

1387
01:50:36.659 --> 01:50:40.920
It is the alien with 55 votes.

1388
01:50:42.359 --> 01:50:53.220
So, yeah, people thought that was the best performance, and I think we've already discussed, yeah, as well, that it's a great performance by Jan Chappell and a great concept.

1389
01:50:53.279 --> 01:50:55.619
And I think as people have touched on.

1390
01:50:55.680 --> 01:50:58.800
Whatever I say, it's the one that's the most different to their usual character.

1391
01:50:58.859 --> 01:51:09.180
It's the broadest stretch that someone's been allowed to go off and do. and that's always more because more with Zelda is, I mean, Zelda's not really any different Cali.

1392
01:51:09.239 --> 01:51:11.399
It's a bit wetter, isn't she?

1393
01:51:11.460 --> 01:51:12.359
Yeah, higher.

1394
01:51:12.359 --> 01:51:13.079
Yes, it's like, wow.

1395
01:51:13.079 --> 01:51:14.340
Yeah, yeah.

1396
01:51:14.399 --> 01:51:15.840
Even more insipient.

1397
01:51:15.899 --> 01:51:16.079
Yeah.

1398
01:51:16.079 --> 01:51:16.739
Yeah.

1399
01:51:16.800 --> 01:51:29.819
It's that moment where Callie comes back at the end of sarcophagus and you think, oh yes, that's Jan Chapel, you know, because because the alien is so different and so brilliant.

1400
01:51:29.880 --> 01:51:30.539
So good.

1401
01:51:30.600 --> 01:51:34.560
Zilda's like Niles Crane to Frasier Crane and Cali.

1402
01:51:36.300 --> 01:51:39.300
Whereas the alien is a whole.

1403
01:51:39.359 --> 01:51:40.439
Yeah, a whole other thing.

1404
01:51:40.680 --> 01:51:48.000
Look, I think we can now just very quickly drive over the fact that Zelda got seven.

1405
01:51:49.079 --> 01:51:51.479
So Zelda lost.

1406
01:51:51.600 --> 01:51:55.800
But, you know, I think it's, I think it's just stiff competition.

1407
01:51:55.859 --> 01:52:03.899
Like it wasn't a bad performance, but it's, as you say, it's not as distinctive as the alien, who is a totally different character.

1408
01:52:03.960 --> 01:52:06.479
Is this a thing that happens very much and has forgotten?

1409
01:52:06.539 --> 01:52:11.880
I mean, we have like a duplicate Blake, don't we, in weapon and is that it?

1410
01:52:14.939 --> 01:52:17.279
Uh, yes, I think so.

1411
01:52:17.340 --> 01:52:28.199
Um, you know, I would, yeah, I was tempted to sort of include like the the avatars as well from sarcophagus, but really they don't have a character.

1412
01:52:28.260 --> 01:52:29.399
You know what I mean?

1413
01:52:29.460 --> 01:52:31.920
We've got robot Avalon.

1414
01:52:31.920 --> 01:52:33.239
Robot Avalon.

1415
01:52:33.300 --> 01:52:34.020
We do, yeah.

1416
01:52:34.079 --> 01:52:34.739
Yeah.

1417
01:52:34.739 --> 01:52:36.479
Ravelon.

1418
01:52:39.420 --> 01:52:49.859
One of the big finish audios does a very good story with a clone of Avon called Kerr, which is set around the time of weapon.

1419
01:52:49.979 --> 01:52:57.300
But yeah, I don't, yeah, we don't really doppelganger's twins, identical cousins on the show.

1420
01:52:57.359 --> 01:52:59.039
We just kiss our cousins, Blake.

1421
01:52:59.939 --> 01:53:03.539
So did John Chappell manage to come 1st and last in this race?

1422
01:53:03.600 --> 01:53:03.960
Yes.

1423
01:53:03.960 --> 01:53:10.380
Best doppelganger. can you say?

1424
01:53:10.920 --> 01:53:14.279
I think the takeaway from that is Stephen Pacy.

1425
01:53:14.340 --> 01:53:14.880
Meh.

1426
01:53:15.600 --> 01:53:21.659
Well, look, Stephen Pacey does command a respectable 30 votes for his performance as Dita Tarrant.

1427
01:53:21.720 --> 01:53:31.199
And, you know, I think it's very noticeable as well that almost half of those people, I presume, also vote for him to become a regular.

1428
01:53:32.640 --> 01:53:38.100
And that leaves us with Beardie Blake on a respectable 22 votes.

1429
01:53:38.819 --> 01:53:40.979
Not bad for a hallucination.

1430
01:53:41.039 --> 01:53:54.479
It's a very good scene and it's sort of really charged between him and Avon there and considering Gareth Thomas cannot move and is just lying down the whole time.

1431
01:53:54.539 --> 01:53:55.920
It's played really well.

1432
01:53:55.979 --> 01:54:05.819
So, and because it's designed as the last episode, it's only right really, he gets a moment there, I think, and it is good to see him at that point.

1433
01:54:06.239 --> 01:54:12.420
Yeah, and something I love about it is because it's an illusion, it leaves the mystery open.

1434
01:54:12.479 --> 01:54:17.939
Like, Servoland tells us he's dead, but...

1435
01:54:18.000 --> 01:54:20.340
No, I think we believe it at the end of Terminal.

1436
01:54:20.399 --> 01:54:36.539
I think that we definitely believe that she's telling the truth and that coming back next year and saying it was sort of a land lying all along is like Darth Vader being Luke's father at some bullshit thing they pull out of their arse for some reason that they have to do later.

1437
01:54:36.720 --> 01:54:39.239
She plays it like it's real.

1438
01:54:39.300 --> 01:54:40.260
Yeah, oh, yeah.

1439
01:54:40.319 --> 01:54:41.100
Absolutely.

1440
01:54:41.100 --> 01:54:42.239
A great moment from her.

1441
01:54:42.300 --> 01:54:42.840
Yeah.

1442
01:54:42.899 --> 01:54:43.979
Yeah.

1443
01:54:54.239 --> 01:55:05.159
Right, so having cleared out our doppelgangers and um, the Kalian is sitting back reading a magazine, we're now going to go behind the scenes to talk about directors.

1444
01:55:05.220 --> 01:55:10.020
So I'm pleased to say going into this that every director got at least one vote.

1445
01:55:10.800 --> 01:55:13.199
Or even Desmond McCarthy.

1446
01:55:13.260 --> 01:55:15.119
Desmond McCarthy.

1447
01:55:15.180 --> 01:55:16.619
Got exactly one vote.

1448
01:55:18.000 --> 01:55:19.859
Good on you.

1449
01:55:19.920 --> 01:55:25.319
One of our listeners out there has the privilege of knowing you are the number one Desmond McCarthy fan.

1450
01:55:25.319 --> 01:55:27.659
Good for you.

1451
01:55:27.720 --> 01:55:28.079
Yeah.

1452
01:55:28.079 --> 01:55:36.720
So Gerald Blake comes up after that with the harvest of Kyros and Death Watch.

1453
01:55:36.779 --> 01:55:40.859
Then we have Andrew Morgan with Children of Aron with four.

1454
01:55:40.920 --> 01:55:42.479
We should be higher.

1455
01:55:42.600 --> 01:55:43.800
I think that should be higher as well.

1456
01:55:43.859 --> 01:55:45.840
Possibly it's because he only does one episode this season.

1457
01:55:45.899 --> 01:55:49.739
He was meant to come back and do terminal as well, but couldn't make the dates work.

1458
01:55:49.800 --> 01:55:50.279
Right.

1459
01:55:50.279 --> 01:55:51.180
Ah, I see.

1460
01:55:51.300 --> 01:55:51.539
Right.

1461
01:55:52.439 --> 01:55:54.960
Gerald Blake got three, by the way.

1462
01:55:55.020 --> 01:56:03.479
David Maloney, who is the producer of the show, and of course, directs at least one episode per season of the year's producer, he directs power play.

1463
01:56:03.539 --> 01:56:09.659
He got 9 votes. which is it is respectable once I reveal the top three.

1464
01:56:09.960 --> 01:56:21.539
So the top 3 are via Lorimer, who directs 4 episodes, Aftermath City at the Edge of the World, Ultra World, and Moloch, and I think those last 2 might have heard his score a bit.

1465
01:56:21.600 --> 01:56:22.140
20.

1466
01:56:25.380 --> 01:56:30.600
Mary Ridge, who directs Terminal, in place of Andrew Morgan, gets 24.

1467
01:56:31.199 --> 01:56:39.300
So that gives you an idea of Andrew Morgan's score might have picked up a bit, but also it explains why Mary Ridge is asked back next year as well.

1468
01:56:39.359 --> 01:56:41.520
She's just like half of next year, doesn't she?

1469
01:56:41.699 --> 01:56:44.279
Yeah, it's just a whole lot.

1470
01:56:44.340 --> 01:56:45.119
Yeah.

1471
01:56:45.180 --> 01:56:50.460
And speaking of half, with almost half the votes with 53 votes.

1472
01:56:50.760 --> 01:56:53.100
We have Fiona coming.

1473
01:56:53.159 --> 01:56:53.880
Wow.

1474
01:56:54.000 --> 01:56:57.420
Director of Rumours of Death and Sarcophagus.

1475
01:56:57.479 --> 01:56:58.079
Yeah, okay.

1476
01:56:58.079 --> 01:57:02.279
That's interesting because when we were talking about rumours of death.

1477
01:57:02.340 --> 01:57:15.060
We weren't very complimentary about a lot of her directing choices and not sure she was a great action director and she cut away from a few bits that we felt didn't quite work.

1478
01:57:15.119 --> 01:57:35.340
So it's interesting that other people have, I think she does really great work on sarcophagus, so maybe that is boosting it up and maybe it's just the quality of the script that she's got that are boosting her up because I'm going to stick up my hand up and say, I think David Maloney does a really fantastic job on PowerPlay.

1479
01:57:35.340 --> 01:57:44.100
And he does the 1st episode of the series and he, it's a really, really strong. episode.

1480
01:57:44.159 --> 01:57:46.619
Yeah, I completely agree with you, Si.

1481
01:57:46.680 --> 01:57:56.579
I think Fiona Cumming is benefitting from the fact that she helmed 2 really good episodes quite well, whereas actually what David Maloney does, he shows everyone else how it should be done.

1482
01:57:56.640 --> 01:58:01.979
Power play is expertly shot in just the confines of Blake 7.

1483
01:58:02.039 --> 01:58:06.539
And we know that he's the best director who ever worked on Blake 7 because he also did Star one last year.

1484
01:58:06.600 --> 01:58:08.699
And that's that's no accident.

1485
01:58:08.939 --> 01:58:12.539
Yes, PowerPlay would have been quite tedious without...

1486
01:58:12.600 --> 01:58:17.340
Because sarcophagus is a weird Blake 7 episode, the direction is more obvious.

1487
01:58:17.399 --> 01:58:19.140
You know, it's not just action.

1488
01:58:19.199 --> 01:58:23.279
It's not just space things. you know, unusual character things and stuff.

1489
01:58:23.340 --> 01:58:34.979
And so I think that it's just more obvious to people watching it, that there are choices being made, whereas David Maloney is doing sort of standard Blake 7 stuff but doing it exceptionally well.

1490
01:58:36.300 --> 01:58:43.260
And I'm going to say, I think via Lorimer never does any bad work on Blake 7.

1491
01:58:43.319 --> 01:58:44.039
Well, I think.

1492
01:58:44.039 --> 01:58:45.600
What about hostage?

1493
01:58:45.659 --> 01:58:47.340
All right, okay.

1494
01:58:47.399 --> 01:58:49.199
Oh, bam, now, talk about hostage.

1495
01:58:50.100 --> 01:58:51.539
Okay.

1496
01:58:51.600 --> 01:58:58.979
I'm going to stick up for him because he doesn't do a bad job of aftermath, which is really, really nicely done.

1497
01:58:59.039 --> 01:59:04.140
And I think the action shots and the stuff on location is really beautiful for that episode.

1498
01:59:04.380 --> 01:59:07.140
When he's on point, he's totally on point.

1499
01:59:07.199 --> 01:59:08.100
Yeah.

1500
01:59:08.880 --> 01:59:12.119
Actually writes the convict song from Moloch.

1501
01:59:13.920 --> 01:59:46.800
I'm going to fling some praises, Fiona Cummings away, though, because, yeah, I think in realising that the left field nature of sarcophagus, she does really interesting things with the lighting, and she's got, she's presented with a script that is a real challenge to try and present as a 45 minute action adventure out of space series when it's not written in the way that they are normally written, and the fact that it still has that sense of pace to it. that is, I mean, and yeah, rumours of death is so event-packed and action-packed.

1502
01:59:46.859 --> 01:59:53.279
You couldn't make that script boring, but that she delivers back-to-back 2 episodes that are stylistically so different.

1503
01:59:53.340 --> 01:59:57.600
I can completely see why she's so appreciated. to try and own it, yeah.

1504
01:59:57.659 --> 02:00:03.300
I think it just shows as well that on a show like Blake 7, the director is all important.

1505
02:00:03.359 --> 02:00:06.960
The director absolutely makes or breaks what you see on screen.

1506
02:00:06.960 --> 02:00:16.020
And so you'll have, you know, I've put the boot independent rob a couple of times from series A because he never really seems to get on screen.

1507
02:00:16.079 --> 02:00:16.739
Well, yes.

1508
02:00:16.800 --> 02:00:21.420
He never seems to really get on screen what the script was aiming for.

1509
02:00:21.539 --> 02:00:26.640
It all feels like it's been done in the studio, whereas then you get someone like David Maloney or Mary Rich on terminal.

1510
02:00:26.699 --> 02:00:36.300
And they really just transcend the parameters of how the show is made to present something that's good drama and really well put together.

1511
02:00:36.359 --> 02:00:37.560
And you think, well, you can do it.

1512
02:00:37.619 --> 02:00:38.220
Others can't.

1513
02:00:38.279 --> 02:00:38.939
Let's have more of you.

1514
02:00:39.000 --> 02:00:45.359
Yeah, there's a sense from those better directors that they're actually interpreting and developing the script as opposed to just shooting it.

1515
02:00:45.479 --> 02:00:48.119
And I think that's what Pennant Roberts does.

1516
02:00:48.180 --> 02:00:54.119
He just makes sure everyone's standing roughly in the same place, saying roughly the right lines, and it all gets edited together, and then he goes home.

1517
02:00:54.180 --> 02:01:07.079
Whereas I think the others are reading the script through, really thinking about it, thinking about what can I do with this, which makes it different, sets it apart from just being filming a script.

1518
02:01:07.199 --> 02:01:08.819
Absolutely.

1519
02:01:08.880 --> 02:01:14.579
And it's the series B comparison is Jonathan Wright Miller versus George Spenson Foster.

1520
02:01:14.640 --> 02:01:27.359
And you've got someone who absolutely elevates 2 scripts, 2 good scripts, but you've got George Spencer Foster who is given really good material often and throws it away.

1521
02:01:27.420 --> 02:01:28.680
Sabotage.

1522
02:01:28.680 --> 02:01:29.460
It's terrible.

1523
02:01:29.520 --> 02:01:30.539
Absolutely.

1524
02:01:30.600 --> 02:01:31.560
I think a lot of the time.

1525
02:01:38.760 --> 02:01:43.079
So, from directors to the worlds they create.

1526
02:01:43.140 --> 02:01:47.880
I'm going to ask each of you which of the planets from this season you'd like to live on.

1527
02:01:47.939 --> 02:01:51.420
Now, this time I've decided to rule out Earth.

1528
02:01:51.479 --> 02:01:56.159
Um, and I'm just, we have been to more planets than we've been to ever before.

1529
02:01:56.220 --> 02:01:58.739
So I'm just going to recap them for you quickly.

1530
02:01:58.800 --> 02:02:02.939
So we have Sarin, which is the world that the melon bees are living on.

1531
02:02:03.000 --> 02:02:07.079
We have Chenga, which is the can we have your liver planet?

1532
02:02:07.140 --> 02:02:13.560
Um, We have obsidian with the pasty ethereal, smug pacifists.

1533
02:02:13.619 --> 02:02:14.880
Thank you, Nathan.

1534
02:02:14.939 --> 02:02:18.899
We have Crandor, the world inside the black hole.

1535
02:02:18.960 --> 02:02:21.960
We have Kyros, which needs no introduction.

1536
02:02:21.960 --> 02:02:27.479
We have Kizan, which is the world that Valentine dial is protecting and is the only person who can speak.

1537
02:02:27.539 --> 02:02:30.840
And we also have Villa World from that same episode.

1538
02:02:31.319 --> 02:02:34.079
We have our Ron, of course.

1539
02:02:34.140 --> 02:02:35.880
We have Ultraworld.

1540
02:02:35.939 --> 02:02:44.939
We have the planet Sardos from Moloch, because it's great to be free, and we have terminal.

1541
02:02:45.000 --> 02:02:48.119
I've ruled out Teal and Vandor because we don't actually see them.

1542
02:02:48.180 --> 02:02:52.380
They have great telly on Teal and Vandor, though, don't they?

1543
02:02:53.039 --> 02:02:53.880
That's true.

1544
02:02:53.939 --> 02:02:54.779
That's true.

1545
02:02:54.840 --> 02:03:01.260
Look, assume that you can get satellite telly from Teal and Vandor wherever you choose to go.

1546
02:03:01.319 --> 02:03:06.720
So, Cy, out of those planets, where would you live and why?

1547
02:03:06.960 --> 02:03:08.640
Villa world.

1548
02:03:09.060 --> 02:03:11.220
Absolutely villa world.

1549
02:03:11.279 --> 02:03:12.539
Gorgeous.

1550
02:03:12.600 --> 02:03:18.840
It is a beautiful corner of Studio A, BBC TV Centre.

1551
02:03:18.899 --> 02:03:20.939
It's beautifully black.

1552
02:03:21.000 --> 02:03:25.079
It's got a wonderful moon in the background and it's got a little tinkling pool.

1553
02:03:25.140 --> 02:03:26.640
What more do you need?

1554
02:03:26.699 --> 02:03:30.300
I'm also a big fan of any planet where you can touch the horizon.

1555
02:03:30.539 --> 02:03:32.039
Exactly.

1556
02:03:32.039 --> 02:03:36.659
That was series B. Anyway, Peter.

1557
02:03:37.020 --> 02:03:38.640
Me?

1558
02:03:38.640 --> 02:03:43.500
I think I would like to live under the sea with Dana and Hal.

1559
02:03:43.560 --> 02:03:44.760
Yeah.

1560
02:03:44.760 --> 02:03:46.319
Lovely.

1561
02:03:46.380 --> 02:03:48.180
That's one vote for the planet Sarin.

1562
02:03:48.239 --> 02:03:49.199
Nathan.

1563
02:03:49.260 --> 02:03:53.039
I want to live with Crandall because none of your relatives are there.

1564
02:03:53.100 --> 02:03:54.239
I think that would be nice.

1565
02:03:57.300 --> 02:04:01.020
Do you think that Crantor from Gambit came from Crantor?

1566
02:04:01.079 --> 02:04:02.640
Crant Autumn, Crantle.

1567
02:04:05.699 --> 02:04:06.960
Thank you very much, Nathan.

1568
02:04:07.020 --> 02:04:07.680
Simon.

1569
02:04:07.739 --> 02:04:12.420
Well, I want to live on hour on, but before children of hour.

1570
02:04:12.479 --> 02:04:13.800
Yeah, fair enough.

1571
02:04:14.579 --> 02:04:17.279
The bit we didn't see on TV.

1572
02:04:17.880 --> 02:04:22.979
Simon, you would have had Ronald Lee Hunt turn around to you and say, oh, Simon, you young rebel.

1573
02:04:26.039 --> 02:04:27.600
I'd know, though.

1574
02:04:27.659 --> 02:04:29.880
Every day, everyone you say, oh, good morning.

1575
02:04:29.939 --> 02:04:33.000
You know, my people have a saying, yes, I'm I'm here.

1576
02:04:33.060 --> 02:04:33.479
I know.

1577
02:04:33.539 --> 02:04:35.220
I'm your people.

1578
02:04:35.279 --> 02:04:36.180
I'm your people.

1579
02:04:36.239 --> 02:04:39.300
A man whose rust can never be betrayed, he can only be mistaken.

1580
02:04:39.359 --> 02:04:43.380
He can be slapped if he keeps speaking in proverbs who doesn't just sell me my coffee.

1581
02:04:44.340 --> 02:04:48.659
Oh my god, can you imagine going into Starbucks on our on?

1582
02:04:48.720 --> 02:04:50.579
I was like, can you write the name on the cup?

1583
02:04:50.640 --> 02:04:51.180
Cali.

1584
02:04:51.239 --> 02:04:52.560
I've got an order for Callie.

1585
02:04:52.619 --> 02:04:53.939
No, the other Cali.

1586
02:04:54.119 --> 02:04:57.779
I think you'll find that in Blake 7, it's called Spacebox.

1587
02:05:00.960 --> 02:05:04.560
And it's called caffeineo instead of coffee.

1588
02:05:06.060 --> 02:05:08.760
And finally, Pete, where would you live?

1589
02:05:08.819 --> 02:05:10.439
Well, I'm torn.

1590
02:05:10.500 --> 02:05:14.159
I quite like the dystopian centre parks of Chenga.

1591
02:05:14.220 --> 02:05:16.260
I mean, at least it's got you've got nice foliage.

1592
02:05:16.319 --> 02:05:22.199
My internal organs are in no condition that anyone's going to want to harvest, so I'm probably quite a tape on that front.

1593
02:05:22.260 --> 02:05:25.079
But also, Keith Villa, when everyone buggers off to Villa World.

1594
02:05:25.140 --> 02:05:26.760
They leaving behind the perfectly nice planet.

1595
02:05:26.819 --> 02:05:28.199
There don't seem to be anything wrong with it.

1596
02:05:28.260 --> 02:05:29.579
They'll just bugger off.

1597
02:05:29.640 --> 02:05:31.079
So I might just go, this weather.

1598
02:05:31.140 --> 02:05:33.359
Yeah, it's a bit dreary, I suppose.

1599
02:05:33.420 --> 02:05:36.060
So yeah, no, yeah, I'm going with Chenga.

1600
02:05:36.720 --> 02:05:38.760
Return to check up.

1601
02:05:38.819 --> 02:05:45.659
Don't you think that Ultraworld is likely to have pretty good kind of, um, like Wi-Fi?

1602
02:05:46.199 --> 02:05:48.300
Yeah, Wi-Fi is good.

1603
02:05:48.300 --> 02:05:50.399
Lovely tunnel.

1604
02:05:50.460 --> 02:05:51.060
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1605
02:05:51.119 --> 02:05:53.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1606
02:05:53.100 --> 02:05:55.979
You're a torrent, all the TV that's produced on Teal and Vandor.

1607
02:05:57.659 --> 02:06:01.380
How about Shrinkers Man Cave, you can get away there for a while.

1608
02:06:02.340 --> 02:06:03.779
Forever.

1609
02:06:03.840 --> 02:06:09.180
I'm going to choose Ultraworld, but I'm not going to shave my beard because I know they can just paint over it.

1610
02:06:09.239 --> 02:06:09.899
So that's fine.

1611
02:06:12.960 --> 02:06:16.680
And I have very special talents to give them a show that I know they'll enjoy.

1612
02:06:16.739 --> 02:06:17.220
So there you are.

1613
02:06:26.279 --> 02:06:27.119
On that topic.

1614
02:06:27.180 --> 02:06:28.500
Simon.

1615
02:06:29.100 --> 02:06:31.859
Pick a number between one and one.

1616
02:06:31.920 --> 02:06:33.899
No, well, you don't have to pick.

1617
02:06:34.140 --> 02:06:38.699
So you get snog, marry, highly distracting legs.

1618
02:06:38.760 --> 02:06:40.979
And extracting legs.

1619
02:06:41.460 --> 02:06:43.920
With Sheety Gat, we're in this.

1620
02:06:46.979 --> 02:06:52.260
Your options are Kerol, Sherm or Babin the Butcher.

1621
02:06:52.319 --> 02:06:54.359
Which one's Sherm?

1622
02:06:54.420 --> 02:06:55.560
Sherm is.

1623
02:06:55.560 --> 02:06:56.640
It's not my fault, Captain.

1624
02:06:57.960 --> 02:06:59.640
John C.

1625
02:06:59.640 --> 02:07:03.060
Carney, who was Blood Axe in the Time Warrior.

1626
02:07:03.659 --> 02:07:06.359
Oh, God.

1627
02:07:06.479 --> 02:07:10.680
Well, sorry, what were those names again?

1628
02:07:10.739 --> 02:07:13.619
Carol, Sherm, and Babe and the Butcher.

1629
02:07:13.680 --> 02:07:20.760
Well, obviously I'm marrying Carroll, because, you know, that would be lovely, and I can see a long future there.

1630
02:07:20.819 --> 02:07:23.579
I think, oh, God.

1631
02:07:24.239 --> 02:07:26.520
I don't think I can marry.

1632
02:07:26.880 --> 02:07:29.279
No, I don't think I can snog Colin Baker.

1633
02:07:29.880 --> 02:07:32.579
Over quite quickly. be fine.

1634
02:07:32.640 --> 02:07:41.520
If you have it quite quickly, then I just sort of, you know, then I'd go through the, go through the little hole to the other, to the Tavilla world before he could follow me.

1635
02:07:41.579 --> 02:07:43.560
That would be my way.

1636
02:07:43.619 --> 02:07:45.960
Which means...

1637
02:07:46.920 --> 02:07:51.899
Which means I'm definitely distracted by the legs of Sherm.

1638
02:07:54.239 --> 02:08:00.840
I think you'd have to shag Carol, surely, because then she'd just turn around to you and say, are you bragging or complaining?

1639
02:08:02.699 --> 02:08:07.739
Actually, I might change that because that would actually probably get annoying after many years of marriage.

1640
02:08:07.800 --> 02:08:09.960
It's number one on my list.

1641
02:08:22.140 --> 02:08:23.579
Excellent.

1642
02:08:23.640 --> 02:08:24.539
Thank you very much.

1643
02:08:24.600 --> 02:08:34.979
Now, before we get into Choice for Favourite Villain, I just want to flag something in the results that I found deeply puzzling and disturbing.

1644
02:08:35.039 --> 02:08:43.140
Now, I messaged Nathan about this during the week, at which point there was one person who had given city at the edge of the world one out of five.

1645
02:08:43.979 --> 02:08:51.479
That has expanded to 3 people who have given city the edge of the world one out of five.

1646
02:08:52.260 --> 02:08:55.439
And look, folks, I just want to talk.

1647
02:08:55.500 --> 02:08:59.819
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not attacking.

1648
02:08:59.880 --> 02:09:02.279
I'm not attacking, but I just I just want to point out.

1649
02:09:02.340 --> 02:09:11.939
Now, of course, I am not giving any identifying information for who you are, but one of these people then gave Moloch 4 out of five.

1650
02:09:12.600 --> 02:09:15.420
One of them gave Muloch one.

1651
02:09:15.479 --> 02:09:24.840
So they think city on the city at the edge of the world is the same as Moloch, and another one gave Harvest of Chiros and Moloch one and Volcano.

1652
02:09:24.899 --> 02:09:27.659
So they think city at the edge of the world is equivalent to all of them.

1653
02:09:27.720 --> 02:09:29.100
Well, you know.

1654
02:09:29.100 --> 02:09:30.479
Is it Fraser?

1655
02:09:33.779 --> 02:09:36.119
Him and his underdog.

1656
02:09:39.180 --> 02:09:43.199
I mean, there's there's really no accounting for taste.

1657
02:09:44.399 --> 02:09:50.340
Some people like things from Blake 7 that may be different from what we like about it.

1658
02:09:50.399 --> 02:09:57.659
In Simon, I was listening to Ultraworld and case in point. for God's sake.

1659
02:09:58.979 --> 02:10:01.800
You all went a bit crazy on that one.

1660
02:10:03.239 --> 02:10:05.340
There's one every year.

1661
02:10:05.340 --> 02:10:06.720
I stand by everything I say.

1662
02:10:06.779 --> 02:10:11.399
So, I think that's only because if you were going to be a Bleak 7 villain. you would be an ultra.

1663
02:10:16.260 --> 02:10:19.680
Look, I will I will just clear up.

1664
02:10:19.739 --> 02:10:28.260
It's definitely not Fraser, because Fraser did tell us that he voted 3 for the last 2 stories and none of those lines have both have a...

1665
02:10:28.319 --> 02:10:30.359
Fraser would let us down that badly.

1666
02:10:31.560 --> 02:10:34.140
Could there be tactical voting?

1667
02:10:34.199 --> 02:10:35.939
Could people be down voting an episode?

1668
02:10:35.939 --> 02:10:38.220
That's quite good, but they don't want it to win.

1669
02:10:38.279 --> 02:10:41.039
Yes, I think there's a lot of technical voting there, actually.

1670
02:10:41.100 --> 02:10:41.399
Yeah.

1671
02:10:42.420 --> 02:10:45.539
And look, it's perfectly fair.

1672
02:10:45.600 --> 02:10:46.380
It's all in good fun.

1673
02:10:46.439 --> 02:10:50.039
I'm not angry. angry at any of you listeners just slightly worried.

1674
02:10:50.159 --> 02:10:50.939
Disappointed.

1675
02:10:51.000 --> 02:10:52.199
Disappointed.

1676
02:10:52.260 --> 02:11:04.380
It does have the worst postcoital scene of any, you know, TV show ever where they're both just lying on slabs, like 3 or 4 metres apart from one another.

1677
02:11:05.279 --> 02:11:13.619
But it does have the phenomenal scene where they start and it just goes to the close-up of the Liberator Prong, which is amazing.

1678
02:11:15.899 --> 02:11:19.020
That makes me laugh every single time.

1679
02:11:19.079 --> 02:11:22.079
Via Lorrimer knew what he was doing there.

1680
02:11:32.760 --> 02:11:40.140
I will also say that one of these people did give us the wonderful idea of bringing back Siobhan.

1681
02:11:40.199 --> 02:11:42.060
So they're off the hook.

1682
02:11:45.119 --> 02:11:45.840
Right.

1683
02:11:45.899 --> 02:11:55.979
So heading into our favourite non-servoland villain, I will start again by just rapidly going through the options who got fewer than 10 votes.

1684
02:11:56.039 --> 02:12:06.000
So this is actually the category where someone gave a special shout out to Babe and the Butcher's Home County's Hair as a villain for one vote.

1685
02:12:06.060 --> 02:12:08.100
The Ultra's also got one vote.

1686
02:12:08.159 --> 02:12:09.840
The fan got two.

1687
02:12:09.899 --> 02:12:10.859
Vinnie got three.

1688
02:12:10.920 --> 02:12:12.239
Moloch got four.

1689
02:12:12.300 --> 02:12:13.680
Shrinker got four.

1690
02:12:13.920 --> 02:12:19.079
So that's our that's our bottom 6 plus babe in the butcher's hair.

1691
02:12:19.140 --> 02:12:33.420
Now, in order of appearance, that leaves our top four, as section leader Clegg, Babe and the Butcher, Anna slash Bartholomew from Rubens of Death and the Alien from Sarcophagus.

1692
02:12:33.479 --> 02:12:34.560
Right.

1693
02:12:34.619 --> 02:12:37.979
Do we want to find out who came 4th or who came first?

1694
02:12:38.039 --> 02:12:42.720
Let's go in ascending order, but clearly number one should be Clegg from PowerPoint.

1695
02:12:42.779 --> 02:12:44.819
Yeah, I know.

1696
02:12:44.880 --> 02:12:46.079
Right?

1697
02:12:46.140 --> 02:12:50.460
So Peter's saying, Clegg, who else is wishing for Clegg for number one?

1698
02:12:50.520 --> 02:12:51.539
Yeah, me too.

1699
02:12:51.600 --> 02:12:54.180
Well, I voted for Clegg, so okay.

1700
02:12:54.539 --> 02:12:57.420
So, Simon, who are you wishing for for number one?

1701
02:12:57.539 --> 02:13:02.579
I'd be wishing for Clegg as well, but I think it might be the alien from sarcophagus.

1702
02:13:02.640 --> 02:13:04.020
That wouldn't be a bad outcome.

1703
02:13:04.079 --> 02:13:04.500
Yeah.

1704
02:13:04.560 --> 02:13:05.039
Yep.

1705
02:13:05.039 --> 02:13:05.340
Yep.

1706
02:13:05.399 --> 02:13:08.159
And Pete, who are you wishing for for number one?

1707
02:13:08.220 --> 02:13:10.079
I can't remember now.

1708
02:13:10.140 --> 02:13:14.039
I was torn between Clegg and the alien, actually, so I can't remember which one I put.

1709
02:13:14.100 --> 02:13:16.020
Did you pay for bollock?

1710
02:13:18.060 --> 02:13:22.680
Who was it on that episode who observed how did he put the bracelet on?

1711
02:13:22.739 --> 02:13:25.560
I can make a bloody picture.

1712
02:13:25.619 --> 02:13:27.600
It's the kind of thing Colin.

1713
02:13:28.140 --> 02:13:31.979
So very well, let's do it.

1714
02:13:32.039 --> 02:13:35.760
With 14 votes, it's the alien from sarcophagus.

1715
02:13:35.819 --> 02:13:36.119
Okay.

1716
02:13:36.119 --> 02:13:36.600
You see?

1717
02:13:37.079 --> 02:13:37.619
Okay.

1718
02:13:37.619 --> 02:13:41.520
With 18 votes.

1719
02:13:41.579 --> 02:13:43.380
It's section leader Clegg.

1720
02:13:44.460 --> 02:13:54.600
And I think what may have done him in is, you know, he was also a semi-popular choice for keeping him on the show and having him join the crew.

1721
02:13:54.659 --> 02:13:57.539
So perhaps people don't see him so much as a villain.

1722
02:13:57.600 --> 02:14:01.260
Perhaps I don't know because this section didn't have a comments. area.

1723
02:14:01.319 --> 02:14:07.079
So that leaves our top 2 in no particular order as Baban and Anna.

1724
02:14:07.140 --> 02:14:12.600
So I'm going to ask you all again with the knowledge that those are our top two.

1725
02:14:12.659 --> 02:14:16.500
I'm going to go around and say, who do you want to be number one Pete?

1726
02:14:16.560 --> 02:14:19.199
Who do I want to be number one?

1727
02:14:20.039 --> 02:14:24.899
I should think Anna, and I feel disloyal, just saying that because I love Colin Baker, but Anna.

1728
02:14:24.960 --> 02:14:25.500
Okay?

1729
02:14:25.560 --> 02:14:26.880
Simon?

1730
02:14:27.060 --> 02:14:34.260
I'm going to have to say Anna as well because I think Cal Colin Bakers performance there will be too divisive to have him at number one.

1731
02:14:34.319 --> 02:14:34.859
Okay.

1732
02:14:34.920 --> 02:14:35.699
Nathan.

1733
02:14:35.760 --> 02:14:40.380
Yeah, I think for the same reason that I thought Rumours of Death would poll the best.

1734
02:14:40.439 --> 02:14:57.779
I think it would be Anna because, like, I like Colin's performances, Babin, I think it's really fun and I think it works in the tone of that episode, but Anna is, you know, what passes for a sophisticated and sort of well-motivated villain on Blake 7.

1735
02:14:57.840 --> 02:15:00.119
So I think it'll be her.

1736
02:15:00.180 --> 02:15:01.500
Great.

1737
02:15:01.560 --> 02:15:02.819
Cy?

1738
02:15:02.880 --> 02:15:06.720
Yeah, I think he's going to be Anna as well of the two.

1739
02:15:06.779 --> 02:15:10.500
But I think there are a lot of Babe and fans out there.

1740
02:15:10.560 --> 02:15:13.199
So it could still go that way.

1741
02:15:13.859 --> 02:15:15.600
And Peter.

1742
02:15:15.659 --> 02:15:16.800
Moloch.

1743
02:15:16.859 --> 02:15:17.520
Shock twist.

1744
02:15:20.579 --> 02:15:22.020
Magnificent.

1745
02:15:22.079 --> 02:15:28.140
Well, I can tell you, the 1st place got 38 votes to 2nd place is 29.

1746
02:15:28.380 --> 02:15:30.300
So it is a decisive victory.

1747
02:15:32.100 --> 02:15:35.220
And it's not a decisive victory for this panel.

1748
02:15:35.279 --> 02:15:37.260
It's Baban the Butcher in 1st place.

1749
02:15:37.979 --> 02:15:40.920
Maybe they recognise him from that other show.

1750
02:15:40.979 --> 02:15:41.819
Maybe that's it.

1751
02:15:41.880 --> 02:15:43.199
Brothers?

1752
02:15:43.260 --> 02:15:43.739
Brothers.

1753
02:15:43.739 --> 02:15:49.319
Oh, I'm so sorry. mispronounced that.

1754
02:15:49.380 --> 02:15:50.760
Bravo.

1755
02:15:53.819 --> 02:15:54.899
He is very good.

1756
02:15:54.960 --> 02:15:58.920
I don't really understand people who don't think he gives a good performance.

1757
02:15:58.979 --> 02:16:00.779
I think he gives a perfectly apt performance.

1758
02:16:01.439 --> 02:16:03.000
Oh no.

1759
02:16:03.720 --> 02:16:06.420
You say, I've never understood you, Simon.

1760
02:16:09.539 --> 02:16:11.699
He does what the script tells him.

1761
02:16:11.760 --> 02:16:13.079
Yeah, I think that's what the part wants.

1762
02:16:13.739 --> 02:16:17.039
No, but basically I see him acting.

1763
02:16:17.100 --> 02:16:20.279
I see him deciding how he is going to deliver alive.

1764
02:16:20.340 --> 02:16:20.880
Yeah.

1765
02:16:20.880 --> 02:16:22.380
I never feel.

1766
02:16:22.439 --> 02:16:28.739
I never feel, a proper performance is one where it feels like the actor is making up the lines as they...

1767
02:16:28.859 --> 02:16:32.100
That's mid-80s Doctor Who before, Simon.

1768
02:16:33.479 --> 02:16:40.200
No, but the best no, but the better performances, the better performances are the ones where, which is also linked with better scripts.

1769
02:16:40.260 --> 02:16:51.360
But I mean, look at the way sort of, you know, thinking of, you know, Black 70 type, people, the way Jackie Pierce delivers those lines is, as Justini, for instance, they feel like she's just making them up like Desari does as well.

1770
02:16:51.420 --> 02:16:52.379
So I'm telling you.

1771
02:16:52.440 --> 02:16:58.260
It just, I Collins performance is in this, it just does not feel real at all.

1772
02:16:58.379 --> 02:17:00.719
It feels like knowing, isn't it?

1773
02:17:00.840 --> 02:17:02.159
Yeah, yeah.

1774
02:17:02.219 --> 02:17:03.600
Everything's too planned.

1775
02:17:03.659 --> 02:17:10.440
She used to call me babe thing where you can see him switching register. all that stuff and stuff like that.

1776
02:17:10.500 --> 02:17:11.159
Yes, exactly.

1777
02:17:11.219 --> 02:17:11.879
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1778
02:17:11.940 --> 02:17:13.020
And you see it on his face.

1779
02:17:13.079 --> 02:17:13.799
It's just bad.

1780
02:17:13.860 --> 02:17:14.399
It's just bad.

1781
02:17:14.459 --> 02:17:15.420
Sorry, Colin.

1782
02:17:26.340 --> 02:17:29.040
Do we have any comments about Anna?

1783
02:17:29.100 --> 02:17:32.940
So, yeah, she's like a real character in a thriller.

1784
02:17:33.000 --> 02:17:33.600
You know?

1785
02:17:33.659 --> 02:17:40.739
That's what actually, you forget sometimes that if you're writing a tort thriller about some rebels who are going to a place to do some stuff and things like that.

1786
02:17:40.799 --> 02:17:43.799
That's exactly the kind of character that sits at the heart of it all.

1787
02:17:43.860 --> 02:17:47.700
Um, and like, uh, yeah, so I sort of really like that.

1788
02:17:47.760 --> 02:17:57.420
It's extraordinary, the lengths to which she goes, that character, you know, that she fakes an entire relationship with Avon and with Chescu.

1789
02:17:57.479 --> 02:18:08.639
You know, it's a really, really, like she's a big deal as a character and we spend the beginning of that episode making her a big deal with all those scenes with Shrinker and stuff.

1790
02:18:08.700 --> 02:18:16.680
It's like it is a pretty major character and a lot of the episode goes towards making her that big villain, I think.

1791
02:18:17.219 --> 02:18:21.120
Yeah, she's someone it's worth Avon being obsessed over.

1792
02:18:21.180 --> 02:18:26.879
If Avon, if Avon had had that obsession with her and she turned out to be a sort of fairly boring person.

1793
02:18:26.940 --> 02:18:30.239
If she'd been Z or bar.

1794
02:18:30.299 --> 02:18:30.600
Yeah.

1795
02:18:30.600 --> 02:18:36.059
And the fact that she's actually given a name like Anna, it's like, it's an very unterminational name.

1796
02:18:36.120 --> 02:18:37.620
Not a space name.

1797
02:18:37.739 --> 02:18:44.159
And she gets the other postcoital scene in this season, really, doesn't she?

1798
02:18:44.219 --> 02:18:45.840
postcoital hair.

1799
02:18:45.899 --> 02:18:50.040
I think you'll find Dana and Tarrant also...

1800
02:18:50.100 --> 02:18:51.299
It's overblast.

1801
02:18:51.360 --> 02:18:53.819
No, no, the earth moves for them.

1802
02:18:53.940 --> 02:18:56.819
It's not necessarily post...

1803
02:18:56.879 --> 02:18:58.139
Is this the human bonding ritual?

1804
02:19:03.420 --> 02:19:11.040
Yeah, I was kind of worried about putting Anna in there at all because I think, you know, there's a reading where she's not a villain.

1805
02:19:11.100 --> 02:19:13.079
Like, she's she's like Avon.

1806
02:19:13.139 --> 02:19:31.620
She's done what she has had to do to keep herself alive. and to resist, you know, and but so I'm actually very pleased to see that she's done as well as she has done because I think a lot of our listeners might just go, oh, I don't really feel comfortable calling her a villain, but it's kind of like she is when she isn't.

1807
02:19:31.739 --> 02:19:35.100
And it would have felt wrong not including her, in my opinion.

1808
02:19:41.819 --> 02:19:55.860
Now, we go on to the final question of the survey and the most important one, you know, the one that is going to determine the entire course of how we remember Blake 7 series C.

1809
02:19:55.920 --> 02:19:59.100
I cannot overestimate the importance.

1810
02:19:59.159 --> 02:20:03.239
You know, this could even destroy relationships within the podcast, I think.

1811
02:20:03.360 --> 02:20:05.100
Certainly, properly relations.

1812
02:20:05.159 --> 02:20:06.360
Yes, that's right.

1813
02:20:07.020 --> 02:20:10.799
It's not which one of us is the audience favourite.

1814
02:20:10.860 --> 02:20:11.340
No.

1815
02:20:11.340 --> 02:20:12.420
No.

1816
02:20:12.479 --> 02:20:25.620
Oscar that at the end of series D. So we asked our listeners, and this was a question where they could choose more than one option, and 9 listeners actually did. choose more than one option.

1817
02:20:26.280 --> 02:20:31.379
Milas, Nathan, or is Nathan feeling okay?

1818
02:20:32.760 --> 02:20:35.579
Because Nathan wanted to pose the question.

1819
02:20:35.639 --> 02:20:38.459
Milas or his stupid fucking brother.

1820
02:20:41.940 --> 02:20:46.319
Now, I can tell you that one of these got 72 votes.

1821
02:20:46.440 --> 02:20:47.819
Yeah, no I'm fine.

1822
02:20:47.879 --> 02:20:48.600
Was that it?

1823
02:20:48.659 --> 02:20:50.159
Oh, no, it's asking you.

1824
02:20:50.280 --> 02:20:51.120
I am fine.

1825
02:20:51.239 --> 02:20:52.620
Yeah.

1826
02:20:52.680 --> 02:20:53.280
Yeah.

1827
02:20:53.340 --> 02:20:54.899
So is Nathan feeling okay?

1828
02:20:56.700 --> 02:21:01.020
So, Nathan, our listeners really care about your welfare.

1829
02:21:01.079 --> 02:21:06.659
But I still fucking hate Milas and his stupid brother and I'm glad they're dead.

1830
02:21:06.719 --> 02:21:13.020
Yeah, we've actually, we've actually had a GoFundMe to send you to a nice place.

1831
02:21:13.079 --> 02:21:16.200
It's not a rehab centre. says that on the brochure.

1832
02:21:16.260 --> 02:21:17.879
Is it near a volcano?

1833
02:21:17.940 --> 02:21:20.159
It is near a volcano.

1834
02:21:20.219 --> 02:21:25.979
And they give you a lovely one jacket with straps that go on the back. then they take out your organs.

1835
02:21:27.840 --> 02:21:35.940
So one last whip around before I reveal the results of Milis or Nathan.

1836
02:21:36.000 --> 02:21:37.680
So Simon, who do you think?

1837
02:21:37.739 --> 02:21:41.459
Is the audience's preference out of Milas or Nathan?

1838
02:21:41.760 --> 02:21:45.479
I thought it was the, is Nathan feeling all that?

1839
02:21:45.479 --> 02:21:47.579
Oh, well, we know that's far and away.

1840
02:21:47.639 --> 02:21:49.379
So we're now talking about 2nd place.

1841
02:21:49.500 --> 02:21:50.459
Nealless.

1842
02:21:50.700 --> 02:21:53.280
Milas, thank you, Si.

1843
02:21:53.340 --> 02:21:54.780
Nathan.

1844
02:21:54.840 --> 02:21:56.399
Nathan, Peter.

1845
02:21:56.459 --> 02:22:01.620
I think Nadine, because I think he wafted in and out of shot more effectively than Milas.

1846
02:22:01.680 --> 02:22:03.239
Nathan, thank you.

1847
02:22:03.299 --> 02:22:04.500
Nathan.

1848
02:22:04.500 --> 02:22:09.959
Well, yeah, I mean, at least we don't have to listen to Nathan delivering lines.

1849
02:22:10.020 --> 02:22:11.280
I guess.

1850
02:22:11.340 --> 02:22:14.100
So he...

1851
02:22:14.100 --> 02:22:16.139
Are you sure that he's not your brother, Nathan?

1852
02:22:16.200 --> 02:22:17.399
Nathan, Nathan.

1853
02:22:19.260 --> 02:22:21.600
Thank you, Anne Pete.

1854
02:22:22.319 --> 02:22:32.100
I think, yeah, Nathan adds a sinister layer to the performance that, you know, the casual observer might not pick up at 1st watch, but...

1855
02:22:32.159 --> 02:22:33.479
It's afterworthy.

1856
02:22:35.040 --> 02:22:39.659
It's a shame they had to get rid of that art because the actor wasn't available for terminal.

1857
02:22:39.780 --> 02:22:42.000
Yeah, who do they?

1858
02:22:42.059 --> 02:22:43.979
You should have added to the crew, Milas and his brother.

1859
02:22:46.739 --> 02:22:49.379
Funnily enough, no one wrote that in.

1860
02:22:50.159 --> 02:22:54.299
So with a score of 19 votes, It's Nathan.

1861
02:22:54.360 --> 02:22:55.620
Yay.

1862
02:22:55.620 --> 02:23:00.059
And Milas on a respectable 13.

1863
02:23:00.239 --> 02:23:01.260
So there we are.

1864
02:23:13.319 --> 02:23:16.319
So there only remains to be asked.

1865
02:23:16.379 --> 02:23:26.219
The question, and you know, bear in mind that Mark and Fraser, who haven't seen series D, are going to be listening to this, what are our hopes for the future?

1866
02:23:26.280 --> 02:23:27.600
And I'll start with you, Peter.

1867
02:23:29.459 --> 02:23:36.659
I would like to see a script from Ben Steed about why women are inferior to men, but I don't think we'll get that.

1868
02:23:40.799 --> 02:23:45.600
I'd like to hear Aurak say, join us, Sulin.

1869
02:23:45.659 --> 02:23:47.459
We can fulfil your every desire.

1870
02:23:47.520 --> 02:23:48.899
I'm not sure that will happen.

1871
02:23:48.959 --> 02:23:52.920
And I'd probably like a character called Og.

1872
02:23:52.979 --> 02:23:53.700
Let's hope that happens.

1873
02:23:55.139 --> 02:23:57.780
This all seems very unlikely.

1874
02:23:59.280 --> 02:24:00.899
Nathan.

1875
02:24:01.260 --> 02:24:04.920
I'd like everyone to change clothes a bit less often.

1876
02:24:10.920 --> 02:24:13.860
You never tell who anyone is in this show.

1877
02:24:14.940 --> 02:24:21.719
I'd like them all to wear variations on blue and gray, so in long shot, you know, who the hell are you looking at?

1878
02:24:23.579 --> 02:24:27.239
Thank you very much Sorry.

1879
02:24:27.299 --> 02:24:34.500
Oh, I think definitely a light entertainment version of the end theme tune code down the sport.

1880
02:24:34.559 --> 02:24:47.700
And if there are words and we could get Stephen Pacey to sing it, I think that would go down a treat that will absolutely fit the feel of this next series absolutely perfectly.

1881
02:24:47.760 --> 02:24:51.899
You realise you're giving Fraser an aneurism right now and mine.

1882
02:24:55.680 --> 02:24:57.239
Pete.

1883
02:24:57.299 --> 02:25:00.479
I will, I think it is going to be exciting.

1884
02:25:00.540 --> 02:25:05.639
Should there be another series that they've not got the best spaceship in the bloody universe anymore?

1885
02:25:05.700 --> 02:25:07.620
How on earth are they going to cope?

1886
02:25:07.680 --> 02:25:11.459
That will be a very interesting challenge for them to have to rise to.

1887
02:25:11.639 --> 02:25:16.979
Yeah, and I just think I love...

1888
02:25:16.979 --> 02:25:18.600
Perhaps.

1889
02:25:19.440 --> 02:25:35.700
And I think it's just great that throughout it all, Avon and Villa, they know that they've always really got each other's backs, and amongst everything, we know, there's a character, the villa knows he can always trust and rely on Avon when maybe not everyone else can, and I'm sure that's always going to be the case.

1890
02:25:36.659 --> 02:25:38.459
Thank you very much.

1891
02:25:38.520 --> 02:25:39.479
And Simon.

1892
02:25:39.540 --> 02:25:47.579
What I think they should do is redesign the logo of the program because, you know, we haven't had that yet.

1893
02:25:47.639 --> 02:25:51.420
We've had a new opening credits without Paul Darrow's face in it, so he missed out there.

1894
02:25:52.260 --> 02:26:01.379
No, I'm also looking forward to them not having the best spaceship in the universe, but somehow they still have a spaceship which has teleport capacity.

1895
02:26:01.440 --> 02:26:05.760
So obviously that was a that was a deal breaker if they didn't get a teleporter.

1896
02:26:05.819 --> 02:26:13.139
I think my hopes for the future is that Tarant is less antagonistic.

1897
02:26:13.200 --> 02:26:25.920
Like he, you know, he can still, he can still have opinions that he can still voice dissent, but I think, um, they've tried a little bit too hard to make him a foil for Avon.

1898
02:26:25.979 --> 02:26:32.700
I think the idea of them having less sophisticated technology is great and some drama can come out of that instead.

1899
02:26:32.760 --> 02:26:53.040
I also really want to see Dana, um, more effectively used and more proactive because I think whatever Skerrick of it she's given, um, Gisette Simon does so well with it, you know, it's like those directors we talk about, who elevates scripts, Gisette Simon elevates whatever Dana is given.

1900
02:26:53.100 --> 02:26:58.979
So if you actually proactively give her good stuff, it's going to be pretty fantastic.

1901
02:26:59.040 --> 02:27:11.040
And yeah, I, after 3 seasons of really elaborate sets and really elaborate design, I would actually like to see the design be a little bit more industrial for where we're going.

1902
02:27:11.639 --> 02:27:17.219
And, you know, also an episode with a really questionable age gap.

1903
02:27:17.340 --> 02:27:17.879
Yeah.

1904
02:27:17.940 --> 02:27:18.780
Why not?

1905
02:27:19.860 --> 02:27:24.479
The golf running season-long story arc for Calli.

1906
02:27:24.540 --> 02:27:26.819
Yes, yeah, yeah.

1907
02:27:26.879 --> 02:27:29.159
Lots more for Callie to do.

1908
02:27:29.219 --> 02:27:30.239
And you know what?

1909
02:27:30.299 --> 02:27:34.559
Why don't why don't we like bring in some really big guest stars?

1910
02:27:34.620 --> 02:27:39.120
but have them recur throughout the season and have that be able to happen?

1911
02:27:39.420 --> 02:27:44.280
I mean, I think the real question for the show is where do you go from here?

1912
02:27:44.280 --> 02:27:55.200
Because you've just had a season containing, I think, 8 episodes of the best science fantasy I've ever seen on TV and 5 episodes which weren't, you know, 8 episodes which were.

1913
02:27:55.440 --> 02:28:02.760
Just written by 2 undisputed masters of the show, writing 6 fantastic scripts between them.

1914
02:28:02.819 --> 02:28:04.079
How do you go up from that?

1915
02:28:04.139 --> 02:28:05.819
Well, in fact, we go up.

1916
02:28:05.879 --> 02:28:06.420
Let's see.

1917
02:28:18.719 --> 02:28:24.239
Well, that's all the time we have for our series C retrospective, as ever.

1918
02:28:24.299 --> 02:28:30.180
Thank you all very much for listening, and we know these episodes are among our longer ones, so I just want to give a shout out.

1919
02:28:30.239 --> 02:28:35.520
Also right now to Pete, who's going to be editing this in the next 10 minutes to get it out.

1920
02:28:35.520 --> 02:28:36.899
And doing nothing else.

1921
02:28:37.260 --> 02:28:39.299
Yes, that's right.

1922
02:28:40.139 --> 02:28:43.860
But I think with some month's work, she could be made spaceworthy.

1923
02:28:43.920 --> 02:28:45.299
Just about.

1924
02:28:49.379 --> 02:28:55.500
Also, a very special thank you to our guest panellists who we've had this series.

1925
02:28:55.559 --> 02:29:07.260
James Corray Smith, Adam Richard, Una McCormack, Hannah Cooper, Rob Valentine, and Zoe Thompson, thank you all very much for joining us on our journey.

1926
02:29:07.319 --> 02:29:08.700
You will hear some of those voices again.

1927
02:29:08.760 --> 02:29:16.799
Next series as well as some new ones as we embark on series D. We'll be taking a bit of a break.

1928
02:29:16.860 --> 02:29:22.200
In the meantime, you can find our back catalogue on our website, maximumpowerpodcast.com.

1929
02:29:22.260 --> 02:29:39.719
We will also find links to our other podcasts, Trap One, Flight Through Entirety, Jody Indeterra, Startling Barbara Bain, Bondfinger, a hamster with a blunt penknife, the BJBJ game show, untitled Star Trek project, and the 2nd great and bountiful Human Empire.

1930
02:29:40.559 --> 02:29:46.260
Until next time, if you encounter some space fungus, see your doctor right away.

1931
02:29:46.319 --> 02:29:49.500
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1932
02:29:49.559 --> 02:29:50.040
Good night.

1933
02:29:50.100 --> 02:29:51.180
Goodbye.

1934
02:29:51.239 --> 02:29:51.840
Bye.

1935
02:29:51.899 --> 02:29:52.920
Bye bye.

1936
02:29:52.979 --> 02:29:54.540
They were mine.

1937
02:29:54.600 --> 02:29:56.399
I felt them die.

1938
02:30:00.059 --> 02:30:02.219
Switching to manual.

1939
02:30:02.280 --> 02:30:04.379
Maximum power on all drives.

1940
02:30:04.559 --> 02:30:06.719
Maximal power.

1941
02:30:11.399 --> 02:30:13.200
Oh, that was fun.

1942
02:30:13.260 --> 02:30:14.520
That was fantastic, Bob.

1943
02:30:14.579 --> 02:30:14.819
Yes.

1944
02:30:14.879 --> 02:30:15.420
There we go.

1945
02:30:15.479 --> 02:30:15.959
Wow.

1946
02:30:16.020 --> 02:30:16.559
Okay.

1947
02:30:16.620 --> 02:30:17.459
Yeah.

1948
02:30:17.459 --> 02:30:19.260
It was me.

1949
02:30:19.319 --> 02:30:20.399
We could have watched.

1950
02:30:20.459 --> 02:30:24.600
We could have watched aftermath to Dawn of the gods.

1951
02:30:25.079 --> 02:30:29.459
Okay, I'm hitting done on my recording. as well.

1952
02:30:29.520 --> 02:30:30.420
Same.

1953
02:30:30.479 --> 02:30:30.719
Yep.

1954
02:30:32.159 --> 02:30:37.799
So we can absolutely do that now, and it's definitely Mr. Bronson in Volcano.

1955
02:30:37.860 --> 02:30:39.299
Who is it?

1956
02:30:39.360 --> 02:30:40.500
Oh, yeah, yeah, you're not.

1957
02:30:40.559 --> 02:30:41.340
Yeah.

1958
02:30:41.340 --> 02:30:42.540
It's Michael Goff.

1959
02:30:42.600 --> 02:30:43.739
Sorry, Michael Goffin volcano.

1960
02:30:43.799 --> 02:30:44.760
Yes.

1961
02:30:44.819 --> 02:30:46.979
Edit that to make me sound clever, please.

1962
02:30:47.879 --> 02:30:50.159
You're ready to get Pete.

1963
02:30:50.219 --> 02:30:51.420
So you made yourself.