WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 22:05:41 1 00:00:03.600 --> 00:00:06.299 Maximal power. 2 00:00:09.179 --> 00:00:18.780 Hello, everyone, and welcome back to Maximum Power, the only Blake 7 podcast that asks Chat GBT to generate portraits of ourselves to put up in a cave. 3 00:00:19.260 --> 00:00:20.100 I'm Cole. 4 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:21.780 I'm James I'm Nathan. 5 00:00:21.839 --> 00:00:22.620 I'm sorry. 6 00:00:22.679 --> 00:00:23.640 And I'm Una. 7 00:00:23.699 --> 00:00:26.160 So we're all here in Star. 8 00:00:26.219 --> 00:00:30.000 Sorry, Residents One, our new presidential palace here in Oxfordshire. 9 00:00:30.059 --> 00:00:31.320 Or is it checkers? 10 00:00:31.379 --> 00:00:33.960 We've all been gently karate chopped. 11 00:00:34.020 --> 00:00:39.179 We've been bleeding on the wrong bit of floor, but that hasn't stopped us from getting together to discuss rumours of death. 12 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:44.520 So join us as we start a revolution to get rid of that sexy Ety honey monster, Boris Johnson. 13 00:00:44.579 --> 00:00:46.259 I'm sorry, serverland. 14 00:00:46.380 --> 00:00:50.340 So without further ado, let's hand over to Uno. 15 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:51.060 What do you think of this episode? 16 00:00:51.119 --> 00:00:54.960 Well, some days are better than others, aren't they, section reader? 17 00:00:56.280 --> 00:01:05.939 Rumours of death is, of course, as any sane and right thinking person would say, one of my top 3 episodes of Blake 7. 18 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:07.319 I absolutely love it. 19 00:01:07.379 --> 00:01:09.239 I completely adore it. 20 00:01:09.299 --> 00:01:12.540 Um, I mean, well, you know, it's great. 21 00:01:12.599 --> 00:01:13.319 It's wonderful. 22 00:01:13.379 --> 00:01:15.540 It's, it's, it's cool. 23 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:18.480 It's it's even suffering beautifully. 24 00:01:18.540 --> 00:01:22.200 It's server land in that incredible dress chained to a wall. 25 00:01:22.260 --> 00:01:26.519 It's, uh, you know, those interrogation scenes with shrinker. 26 00:01:26.579 --> 00:01:28.200 It's Paul Darrow's stubble. 27 00:01:28.439 --> 00:01:30.420 It's, you know, the whole thing is brilliant. 28 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:32.640 Tarrant doing that little hand thing. 29 00:01:32.700 --> 00:01:33.659 You know? 30 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:37.620 Everything about it is marvellous. 31 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:39.659 I only drink to be sociable. 32 00:01:39.719 --> 00:01:41.819 Sorry, I mean, 50 minutes I can do this. 33 00:01:41.819 --> 00:01:44.819 So that's the podcast over then. 34 00:01:44.879 --> 00:01:45.299 Okay, bye. 35 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:52.739 I'm surprised that Avon's fees haven't got a mention. his bare feet in that opening scene. 36 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:56.099 I thought that was a little bit kind of forward of him. 37 00:01:56.159 --> 00:01:59.640 That's a specialist interest, I think. 38 00:02:02.219 --> 00:02:04.319 I have to say I agree. 39 00:02:04.379 --> 00:02:08.039 I think this is really absolutely one of the best Blake 7 episodes. 40 00:02:08.099 --> 00:02:12.599 And it seems to have kind of happened by accident in a way. 41 00:02:12.659 --> 00:02:23.159 It's sort of amazing development from some scenes in countdown where Terry Nation was giving, you know, Dell. 42 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:24.599 What's that guy called? 43 00:02:24.659 --> 00:02:25.860 Dell Grant. 44 00:02:25.860 --> 00:02:27.240 Dell Grant. 45 00:02:27.300 --> 00:02:28.800 I'm Dell, Tarant something. 46 00:02:28.860 --> 00:02:33.900 Where Terry Nation was giving Avon and Dell Grant something to talk about. 47 00:02:34.020 --> 00:02:39.780 And, you know, it was written at a time when we didn't know that he was going to become the main character. 48 00:02:39.780 --> 00:02:48.000 And then you get Chris Boucher coming along and interrogating it and changing it for the sort of character that Avon is now. 49 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:51.599 And I think it's really just terribly cleverly done. 50 00:02:51.659 --> 00:02:53.699 I can't disagree with that. 51 00:02:53.759 --> 00:03:08.340 I, I think there's so many great things in this episode that, um, so many great character moments in this episode, which I think make this one really special that everyone gets a, a good moment. 52 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:18.060 I mean, this is Chris Boucher, so of course he's going to give everyone a good moment, but, um, again, just the dialogue once again is a cut above the norm as well. 53 00:03:18.060 --> 00:03:25.919 And what I I love is this is almost against every other Blake 7 episode. 54 00:03:25.979 --> 00:03:34.199 It starts in situ where things have already happened where we're not, the liberator's not coming into orbit around Earth. 55 00:03:34.259 --> 00:03:36.419 They're not teleporting down, explaining the plot. 56 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:38.099 Avon's been captured. 57 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:39.360 We don't know what's happened to him. 58 00:03:39.419 --> 00:03:43.259 It's a really, although it's a slow start. 59 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:46.620 It's a really exciting start because you don't know what's happened. 60 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:48.060 How's he got here? 61 00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:49.560 What's this about, what's going on? 62 00:03:49.620 --> 00:04:10.620 And then that moment where he switches around and it's all been planned to the nth degree, and it's the, and the, because you think, oh, the homing beacon, they haven't found him, they can't get him, but it's the switching it off, that is, it's all those things are just so cleverly done, and that star is, is magnificent. 63 00:04:10.740 --> 00:04:20.819 And I don't think Paul Darrow is rarely better than in those early scenes where he really does seem broken and tired and... 64 00:04:21.300 --> 00:04:21.839 Superb. 65 00:04:21.899 --> 00:04:30.959 It's um, It's almost as if you could read that scene as if it's a flashback to when he was originally captured. 66 00:04:31.019 --> 00:04:32.939 Yeah, I think so. 67 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:33.899 I agree. 68 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:39.480 I think like we're getting a sort of, yeah, a sort of, because he flashes to to Anna, doesn't he? 69 00:04:39.540 --> 00:04:42.600 So I think he as well, he sort of imagines her in that situation. 70 00:04:42.660 --> 00:04:50.339 But yeah, I think we're getting a sort of clue to what all their experiences were before we saw them, loaded onto the London. 71 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:51.240 Yep. 72 00:04:51.300 --> 00:04:53.579 I have a slightly different view. 73 00:04:55.259 --> 00:04:56.879 You're right. 74 00:04:56.939 --> 00:04:59.339 No, no, yeah, no, I am wrong. 75 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:00.240 I think I am wrong. 76 00:05:00.300 --> 00:05:02.160 I mean, this is why I do this podcast. 77 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:07.259 It's because I have a bunch of, you know, I have a bunch of thoughts and we talk about it and I end up feeling differently, you know? 78 00:05:07.319 --> 00:05:14.040 And so, uh, but I think the 4th time I've watched it this morning, I did actually start to go, yeah, okay, yeah. 79 00:05:14.100 --> 00:05:15.060 No, I think it's pretty good. 80 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:19.319 Um, I just think it's struggle you watched it this morning, Col. That's right. 81 00:05:19.379 --> 00:05:20.339 It's quite, yeah. 82 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:28.439 It suffers a bit from a bit of direction problems and a little bit of miscasting. 83 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:38.579 Ooh, I'm not sure Shrinker is particularly threatening or Sula Stroke, whatever. 84 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:42.240 You know, she's very, very potion stuff, but they all are, I suppose. 85 00:05:42.300 --> 00:05:44.399 Yeah, it's Blake 7. 86 00:05:44.459 --> 00:05:46.439 It's Blake 7. get away from that. 87 00:05:46.500 --> 00:06:01.980 But I just thought, uh, there's, there's some directing bits that I think just come across as a little bit weak, probably like fight scenes and corridor stuff and it's like, we can't, we can't possibly have a good fight scene when we're actually in this house in Oxfordshire. 88 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:05.100 We have to wait till we get to the studio set to do that. 89 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:06.300 We don't break anything. 90 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:07.439 That's right, yeah. 91 00:06:07.500 --> 00:06:12.360 Yeah, because you could just give the owners the camera going, don't touch that vase, you know. 92 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:18.120 I kind of, I, I do, I do like it. 93 00:06:18.180 --> 00:06:24.060 I think it just sort of took me a took me a while to figure out everything that was going on on all the stuff that was coming and going. 94 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:32.339 Uh, but the, the one question I had for you guys is, is Cali the most competent person in this episode? 95 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:35.279 No, in the show. 96 00:06:35.339 --> 00:06:38.879 She's the only competent, only competent person in the show. 97 00:06:38.939 --> 00:06:42.420 Except when she's been taken over by Alien Intelligences. 98 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:43.439 Yeah, yeah. 99 00:06:43.500 --> 00:06:44.459 See next week. 100 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:46.439 That's not her fault, though, really, is it? 101 00:06:46.500 --> 00:06:49.439 Which he literally serves. probably more competent than Gan. 102 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:51.240 Oh God. 103 00:06:51.300 --> 00:06:57.000 Which he literally says at the start of the episode, something like, do you guys need me in this episode? 104 00:06:59.459 --> 00:07:06.779 No, I actually really like that because one of the big problems with series 3 is that it's aimless. 105 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:08.459 We've destroyed the Federation ride. 106 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:14.879 And so we just kind of touring around seeing what happens visiting a volcano one week and stuff like that. 107 00:07:14.939 --> 00:07:25.560 And here now, it looks like what's happening is now Avon is doing payback and he's got the ship, you know, perhaps he was always going to do this. 108 00:07:25.620 --> 00:07:26.579 He was never going to be Blake. 109 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:32.699 He was never going to go to the planet phosphoron or centauro and steal a communications thing, all that stuff's over. 110 00:07:32.759 --> 00:07:34.259 So this is an odd thing. 111 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:45.420 And I think that given that Callie is, she's gone from being a sort of hardened freedom fight is being, you know, ship's handholder, do you know what I mean? 112 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:49.139 Like, she is now the kind of moral centre of the show. 113 00:07:49.199 --> 00:07:51.720 And I think she's the right person to object to that. 114 00:07:51.779 --> 00:07:53.879 And I think she's right to object to it too. 115 00:07:53.939 --> 00:07:55.620 Like if killing shrinking. 116 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:56.100 That's cool. 117 00:07:56.220 --> 00:07:57.779 Like do that a 100 times. 118 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:08.879 All right, you know, but, but, you know, just deciding that now we're going to concentrate on settling Avon scores seems like a bit of a kind of comedown. 119 00:08:08.939 --> 00:08:13.199 I think I preferred Shrinker without the beard in Siclocate Destroy. 120 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:14.879 Yeah. 121 00:08:15.660 --> 00:08:18.180 It's really interesting, isn't it? 122 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:27.180 That scene where they're all taunting shrinker on the in the teleport bay and they're all circling round him and it's... 123 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:33.000 Yeah, it's really intense and it takes Callie to come and say, stop this. 124 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:36.720 You're all behaving like animals and it's contagious, isn't it? 125 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:37.740 Isn't it? 126 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:39.240 It's beautiful writing. 127 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:40.860 That line. 128 00:08:40.980 --> 00:08:53.159 I remember that hearing that line, the 1st time I watched this episode when I was, what, 8 or something, and I just thought punk things in my brain sort of gave me a moral awaiting, yeah? 129 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:55.080 Well done, Chris, you know? 130 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:58.919 I think, yeah, Cali's absolutely the moral heart of this. 131 00:08:58.980 --> 00:09:06.960 I always read this episode is the middle of a trilogy of a, of the, of the change in relationship between Avon and Cali, like you got, the previous episode. 132 00:09:07.019 --> 00:09:09.480 Cali has the most devastating loss. 133 00:09:09.539 --> 00:09:15.419 This episode, Avon has the most devastating loss, and then the payoff is all in sarcophagus. 134 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:19.080 And I don't know if that's intended, but certainly I think the actors play it. 135 00:09:19.139 --> 00:09:24.120 Yeah, I think it's I think it's almost certainly not intended. 136 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:31.139 And just watching because I watched sarcophagus again today because of why wouldn't you? 137 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:31.980 It's brilliant. 138 00:09:32.340 --> 00:09:41.399 And you can see something in that scene between Avon and Callie that you never, ever see in the show at any other time. 139 00:09:41.580 --> 00:09:48.299 But the show seems to be written without an awareness of what's been going on and that's what Blake Seven's like. 140 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:52.799 It is very, very episodic, despite the kind of overall arc. 141 00:09:52.860 --> 00:09:56.759 And so we can't really have a proper repercussion for this. 142 00:09:56.820 --> 00:09:58.200 But I do think the end. 143 00:09:58.259 --> 00:10:12.059 You know, let's skip to the end, that final moment where even just wearily says slightly exaggerated, the rumours of my death have been slightly exaggerated, is so good, and that's understated. 144 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:13.320 Do you know what I mean? 145 00:10:13.379 --> 00:10:15.419 no one's kind of wringing their hands. 146 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:16.919 It's not at all overwrought. 147 00:10:16.980 --> 00:10:18.000 It's in character. 148 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:24.779 And it's a proper admission of some, you know, him being really devastated in a way that you've got to hear from him. 149 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:26.759 Nothing bad, hasn't he? 150 00:10:27.720 --> 00:10:35.340 Yeah, and he's not going to show that in front of his friends, such as they are, because that's not Avon. 151 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:36.960 So it, it's played. 152 00:10:37.019 --> 00:10:40.980 I think Paul Darrow is is exemplary all through this episode. 153 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:44.460 He is given one of his very, very best performances. 154 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:46.980 I don't think he puts a step wrong all the way through. 155 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:55.379 And it all feels very true to Avon, which is the best thing of all that this is exactly what Avon would do. 156 00:10:55.440 --> 00:11:05.399 If you asked anyone, if Avon had, um, had one great love, what would he do to, he'd go all out to find her, he'd get all obsessive. 157 00:11:05.460 --> 00:11:06.899 He's that kind of person. 158 00:11:07.019 --> 00:11:09.659 And this is what the story's about. 159 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:15.899 It's about Avon's obsession with Anna and finding out what happened and why. 160 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:21.419 And unfortunately, the story of Anna is completely tragic and he's misread the whole thing. 161 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:25.740 And of course, it being even, we're doing spoilers, aren't we? 162 00:11:25.799 --> 00:11:26.519 We're not going to. 163 00:11:26.580 --> 00:11:27.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 164 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:33.240 This being even, of course it has to turn out that the great love of his life is that because Avan is one of the universe is cursed. 165 00:11:33.299 --> 00:11:35.759 Oh, yes, you said this before, didn't you? 166 00:11:35.820 --> 00:11:37.919 Yes, yeah, the curse of Avon. 167 00:11:38.820 --> 00:11:51.419 Well, I think what's really beautiful is that, although we see Paul Darrow's reaction, we see Evans's reaction from the point of view of his of his colleagues, he delivers that line with his back turned to them. 168 00:11:51.480 --> 00:12:08.460 So, um, you know, if you, if you put yourself there as one of the crew listening to this guy you've hung around with for 3 years or whatever who's just gone through 5 days of torture for his lost love and all you see is his back, uh, saying this line. 169 00:12:08.519 --> 00:12:11.159 Um, I think it's incredible. lovely direct. 170 00:12:11.220 --> 00:12:16.919 But we, the audience, are allowed a little bit more of a look into, uh, even if it, if it's back into us. 171 00:12:16.980 --> 00:12:19.080 It wouldn't have had the same emotional impact, I think. 172 00:12:19.139 --> 00:12:21.059 And Darrow's little little. 173 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:25.139 Lips are, you know, just hor- little eyelops. 174 00:12:25.139 --> 00:12:37.320 Just on the edge of cracking and it's sealed down again, except until that scene at the start of sarcophagus with Kelly in the next episode, where he cracks it open again for Callie. 175 00:12:37.379 --> 00:12:38.639 It's all lovely. 176 00:12:41.700 --> 00:12:43.980 The other thing I like about this episode, is it? 177 00:12:43.980 --> 00:12:46.919 We're talking about continuity and how, you know, Blake Seven doesn't really have it. 178 00:12:46.980 --> 00:12:52.440 I think we also see some of the continuity that's happening in Chris Boucher's head. 179 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:58.139 So he's like clearly got this massive backstory about what the rebellion was like on earth. 180 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:01.559 So there's a whole show that's happened. 181 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:06.720 In Chris Boucher's mind, instead we've got to see Volcano and Dawn of the Gods. 182 00:13:08.220 --> 00:13:21.120 But just briefly, we've seen this sort of political thriller of, you know, the rebellion going rotten and what happened on earth and all these sorts of things and we've been doing stupid things on the liberator. 183 00:13:21.179 --> 00:13:29.879 So I feel like Chris Boucher has this story in his head that for some reason he never puts on screen. except for these brief moments. 184 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:30.539 Yeah. 185 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:35.639 It just feels all those lines between Shrinker and Nathan, they just feel completely true. 186 00:13:35.700 --> 00:13:38.460 There's a story that's been happening here. 187 00:13:38.820 --> 00:13:40.559 Oh, I love it. 188 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:43.919 It's it's funny, isn't it? 189 00:13:43.980 --> 00:13:48.360 Because we have the destruction of the federation in aftermath. 190 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:52.019 We have to go back to Earth to see it. 191 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:58.080 And and I guess the last time we did that was pressure point. 192 00:13:58.139 --> 00:14:02.820 And so are we wondering what, you know, Veron has been doing all this time? 193 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:12.000 Is that the problem, she she fucked it up and now the now the rebellion doesn't, you know, isn't effective, but that is sort of super interesting, isn't it? 194 00:14:12.059 --> 00:14:15.120 And it is a bit of a throwback, I think. 195 00:14:15.179 --> 00:14:16.620 It is a bit season 2. 196 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:26.519 And, you know, I think nation kind of downplays it because he doesn't think that his new main character cares that much about the federation. 197 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:35.039 But then Bouchers, you know, created this, this incredible backstory in order to get him involved again. 198 00:14:35.100 --> 00:14:37.139 I think it's just so well judged. 199 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:37.980 It's really funny. 200 00:14:38.039 --> 00:14:39.899 It's exactly what you were saying, Una. 201 00:14:39.960 --> 00:14:41.759 It is in countdown. 202 00:14:41.820 --> 00:14:50.159 It is just his girlfriend, the one woman that he loved, the one person. that he had ever, that he ever had any connection with. 203 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:52.799 And Boucher's going, no, no, no, no. 204 00:14:52.860 --> 00:14:56.279 It's Avon, you know, it can't possibly be that. 205 00:14:56.340 --> 00:14:58.139 It's so terrific. 206 00:14:58.200 --> 00:14:59.159 It's so horrendous. 207 00:14:59.220 --> 00:15:01.919 And I love those flashbacks. 208 00:15:01.980 --> 00:15:08.639 The earlier ones without the mirror on kind of tube that we're... 209 00:15:08.700 --> 00:15:09.600 That is... 210 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:11.519 Why is she looking at her down? 211 00:15:11.580 --> 00:15:12.000 Yeah, anyway. 212 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:16.320 That's so where it's strong. 213 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:32.220 But even just the fact that she's not wearing a top, you know, like it, this is ridiculous, but we were watching Doctor Who at the same time as we were watching this and we were kids when this was on and it just seemed impossibly adult that he would be speaking to this like, no clothes on. 214 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:35.519 That's faint, isn't it? 215 00:15:35.580 --> 00:15:44.879 And even though she does look like she's just, you know, she's just about to pop out to Waitrose or something first. 216 00:15:44.940 --> 00:15:45.480 That's nice. 217 00:15:45.539 --> 00:15:45.840 No. 218 00:15:45.899 --> 00:16:05.580 She, she, like, she thinks he's funny, like, all of his kind of posturing bullshit that he normally does, all that sort of camp posturing nonsense that he usually does, she thinks is hilarious, and I think that's wonderful because Bouncer's writing all that posturing nonsense, and we love it. 219 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:06.659 We eat it up. 220 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:10.440 But the fact that she thinks it's ridiculous is just wonderful. 221 00:16:10.500 --> 00:16:12.179 Like you like her immediately, I think. 222 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:17.700 Yeah, and what I love is that you don't see Avon in those scenes. 223 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:18.899 You're seeing it. 224 00:16:18.899 --> 00:16:30.299 Because normally in flashbacks, you get to see both characters or everyone sort of, and what they're doing, but just seeing this from Apon's point of view, and he's quite obviously in bed next to her. 225 00:16:30.299 --> 00:16:40.440 And so you've just got this, this image of what's, what's happened and what's going on, and it, it's really clever, and it's something Blake 7 doesn't do things like this. 226 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:42.659 So this makes it feel extra special. 227 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:46.080 Yeah, it's true, isn't it? 228 00:16:46.139 --> 00:16:55.860 I'm struggling to think of, because Blake 7 can be so static, and you know, it can be, it can be like, you know, a, uh, 2 talking heads, and you don't really see direction like that. 229 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:56.940 It makes it sort of. 230 00:16:57.120 --> 00:17:13.259 I mean, why I like this episode is for, is that the kind of intimacy of personal relationships are all jumbled up with the politics and are kind of implicated in it, that there's no kind of, um, pure love is always going to be kind of corroded by the political situation that they're in. 231 00:17:13.319 --> 00:17:16.019 And it just, it just does that absolutely brilliantly. 232 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:16.740 I think it's great. 233 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:23.039 For all the shunkiness of, you know, the slow fighting. extremely well. 234 00:17:23.099 --> 00:17:29.579 And the way that the um, we've alluded to this already, the way that the um, balance of power just shifts. 235 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:36.359 So in that opening scene, or in that interrogation scene with server line, which I think is the bookend scene, isn't it? 236 00:17:36.420 --> 00:17:38.220 You know, she's literally there chained up. 237 00:17:38.339 --> 00:17:41.519 And then he he mentions anagram and she goes. 238 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:43.380 All right. 239 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:44.940 Let me go. 240 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:46.259 I'll tell you whatever you are. 241 00:17:46.319 --> 00:17:51.420 And then she walks in and Severance like she does that, um, Patrick Stewart triple take, you know? 242 00:17:52.500 --> 00:17:57.480 I'm going to look at your reaction now and suddenly she's back in control. 243 00:17:57.539 --> 00:18:00.299 It doesn't matter that she's chained up and the dress is all wrecked. 244 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:03.480 Servolan is running this show again, her and she's got this card. 245 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:07.019 And those shifts of power are just beautifully done, I think. 246 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:07.619 Really clever. 247 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:08.700 I love it. 248 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:14.819 It's that line of dialogue, isn't it, where Terence says to Avon, convince her that it didn't happen. 249 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:23.579 And then, and then she says to Avan, can you convince yourself that that didn't happen with Anna? 250 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:25.680 Like she absolutely takes control. 251 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:28.380 And of course, Boucher kind of signals it in dialogue. 252 00:18:28.440 --> 00:18:29.460 Yeah. 253 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:31.200 Can I give a shout? 254 00:18:31.259 --> 00:18:32.640 I always give a shout out, I think. 255 00:18:32.700 --> 00:18:36.180 But how brilliant Stephen Pacey always is. 256 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:40.680 Because I don't think if we, I don't think if you sat down and talked about Rivers of Death. 257 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:47.700 Oh, it's a great Tarrant episode, but he's like this sort of clue that holds it together. 258 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:53.880 So there's a really scene with him and Avon at the start where he almost touches Avon's arm, yeah? 259 00:18:53.940 --> 00:18:56.819 He just kind of go, he's kind of going, are you all right? 260 00:18:56.880 --> 00:18:58.920 You know, I just want to make sure you're all right. 261 00:18:58.980 --> 00:19:04.500 I mean, I want to make sure that, you know, I'm only making sure because we're men and rebels and about me. 262 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:08.519 But actually, you know, it's it's a sort of genuine concern for this man's sanity. 263 00:19:08.579 --> 00:19:11.700 And then he's just a sort of quiet clue. 264 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:16.200 He does a very good move back when he realises that, you know, this is Anna. 265 00:19:16.259 --> 00:19:19.920 He just does this sort of, holy fuck. 266 00:19:20.460 --> 00:19:23.579 Simpson backing into the hedge. 267 00:19:23.579 --> 00:19:24.240 Whoa. 268 00:19:24.599 --> 00:19:26.880 This has gone choppy. 269 00:19:26.940 --> 00:19:30.240 But I always think that um, uh, and he does that. 270 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:33.420 It's him who gives Abron the feed line at the end, isn't it? 271 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:38.279 The rumours my death have been, you know, grown exaggerated. 272 00:19:38.339 --> 00:19:39.359 Greatly exaggerated. 273 00:19:39.420 --> 00:19:46.319 It's, it's Taryn, who's sort of the, it, it's almost like Taryn has to be an, the adult in the room because Avon isn't. 274 00:19:46.380 --> 00:19:48.839 And Callie's checking out of this madness. 275 00:19:48.900 --> 00:19:53.700 So Tarrant has to kind of step up and um, you know, adult. 276 00:19:54.240 --> 00:20:07.259 There's that wonderful scene too, where they turn up in the teleport bay and he's dressed as Blake and he's announcing, you know, it turns out, you know, we care, we care what happens to you. 277 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:09.839 We're surprised, certainly one. 278 00:20:11.339 --> 00:20:15.240 Yeah, yeah, but then we're as surprised as anyone. isn't that Dana? 279 00:20:15.299 --> 00:20:16.799 Like it's so hilarious. 280 00:20:16.859 --> 00:20:17.940 Yeah,ously funny. 281 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:20.759 Like, she's so sweet and so funny in it. 282 00:20:20.819 --> 00:20:22.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 283 00:20:22.500 --> 00:20:25.200 You may be a bastard, but you're our bastard. 284 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:33.900 What do people think about the 2 security folks in this? 285 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:35.460 What's the point of them? 286 00:20:35.700 --> 00:20:41.039 So that's a very voucherish thing, and we'll see it again in death watch, won't we? 287 00:20:41.099 --> 00:20:42.960 We saw it in soil, didn't we? 288 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:43.619 Yes. 289 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:46.799 And it's a Burkel and... 290 00:20:46.859 --> 00:20:47.579 Yeah, mhm. 291 00:20:47.700 --> 00:20:50.700 So he'll have 2 characters who are involved. 292 00:20:50.759 --> 00:20:52.259 Yeah, yeah. 293 00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:55.140 But their job, like they don't barely interact. 294 00:20:55.200 --> 00:21:02.819 It's a little bit unusual. like Major Grenly's left alive after the attack and is actually in that final scene until he sort of dies conveniently. 295 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:04.740 So he doesn't have to be given any lines. 296 00:21:04.859 --> 00:21:07.559 But I think they're really, really great. 297 00:21:07.619 --> 00:21:10.500 Like, like the dialogue is funny. 298 00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:17.160 I still say if it wasn't free, you'd pay to see it. like all the time. 299 00:21:17.220 --> 00:21:22.200 And there's another line in that scene as well that I think has just entered my vocabulary. 300 00:21:22.259 --> 00:21:23.339 It's so good. 301 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:24.720 It's so sharp. 302 00:21:24.839 --> 00:21:28.920 And like, I don't care. when I left. 303 00:21:30.779 --> 00:21:33.480 No, I owed of money. 304 00:21:33.539 --> 00:21:36.059 You know, he does that smile like David Hagues. 305 00:21:36.119 --> 00:21:40.319 Like, he's Pangol. like me and months later. 306 00:21:40.380 --> 00:21:41.519 He's so good. 307 00:21:41.579 --> 00:21:42.599 He's so great. 308 00:21:42.660 --> 00:21:44.640 He's so young and so brilliant. 309 00:21:44.700 --> 00:21:46.440 Even this early in his career. 310 00:21:46.440 --> 00:21:49.680 And it's it's no surprise he's gone on so well. 311 00:21:49.740 --> 00:21:57.779 In Boucher's head, these people have got inner lives and, you know, and they, you know, they are stereotypes. 312 00:21:57.839 --> 00:22:05.519 They're put upon, uh, you know, officer, um, and the, you know, the cheeky, the cheeky squaddy. 313 00:22:05.579 --> 00:22:14.220 I mean, they are, you know, a kind of, you know, stereotyped, but they, you feel like they've had lives before they, and they've both gone fantastic, cushy job. 314 00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:15.359 Residents won. 315 00:22:15.420 --> 00:22:17.460 Fuck, rebel attack. 316 00:22:18.299 --> 00:22:20.519 On the 1st day. 317 00:22:20.579 --> 00:22:21.539 Yeah, yeah. 318 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:28.380 That wonderful, we're under attack and then we, you know, we get the alarm and all of that sort of thing, like when it's finally announced. 319 00:22:28.440 --> 00:22:36.000 Like that's almost worth having because it just makes that attack a little bit more, more vivid and interesting. 320 00:22:36.059 --> 00:22:38.640 I think they're really, really properly good. 321 00:22:38.700 --> 00:22:40.740 Yeah, absolutely. 322 00:22:40.859 --> 00:22:44.220 Just brilliantly scripted, brilliantly imagined. 323 00:22:44.279 --> 00:22:48.359 And then these guys just perform it like a they must have had a hoots, do you? 324 00:22:48.420 --> 00:22:51.240 Oh, and don't forget every part of moving part. 325 00:22:53.700 --> 00:23:07.380 That that line that they keep keeps coming up some days are better than others. that's they say that where I come from, sir, loudly, I imagine, on the day you left. 326 00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:12.779 Our mother cried when I left, I owed him. 327 00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:15.660 Just doesn't stop. 328 00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:25.200 The other, the other thing I do with episodes like this is I always count the number of scenes that these incidental characters are in because I was, I was thinking, how, how quickly do they have impacts, yeah? 329 00:23:25.259 --> 00:23:32.400 And, um, I, I was expecting there to be a lot less with these because actually this, I don't know how unusual this is for Blakeson. 330 00:23:32.460 --> 00:23:37.079 Turns out there's quite a lot of cutting to quite short inserts of those two. 331 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:39.539 So I don't know whether I don't know how it was recorded. 332 00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:42.240 Um, but usually you get quite lengthy scenes. 333 00:23:42.299 --> 00:23:47.279 But in this kind of context, little shout out for Cesco, who's in one scene. 334 00:23:47.819 --> 00:23:49.680 And... 335 00:23:49.799 --> 00:24:01.380 But he, and again, somebody who's completely realised and delivers this sort of, you know, this pompous speech sucking up to the boss and she undercuts it and then he's sort of... 336 00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:04.079 The look he gives it this kind of grief. 337 00:24:04.259 --> 00:24:04.799 Your husband. 338 00:24:04.859 --> 00:24:07.259 Yeah, and he clearly loves it. 339 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:08.880 I'm your wife, so you're with my wife. 340 00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:10.980 That's all over now. 341 00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:19.980 Yes, I actually love how, you know, like, I'm not sure she's a rebel now or she's paid by the rebels. 342 00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:20.640 We believe that. 343 00:24:20.700 --> 00:24:22.140 She's not Bartholomew. 344 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:23.339 She's changed. 345 00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:26.279 No one could accuse her of being doctrinaire either, I guess. 346 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:36.720 And she's still openly dismissive of Serverland, you know, like that wonderful thing about her being a tasteless megalomaniac or something. 347 00:24:36.779 --> 00:24:41.819 You know, the speech is pompous and vulgar and gross and she'll absolutely love it. 348 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:43.319 Like his contempt. 349 00:24:43.980 --> 00:24:45.539 Yeah, yeah. 350 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:47.579 Like, she can just openly say that. 351 00:24:47.819 --> 00:24:53.940 I don't, I don't, in a way, because, of course, I've imagined loads of backstories in this episode. 352 00:24:54.000 --> 00:25:04.680 Um, I don't mind that they're all posh in a way because I sort of feel that this is a kind of, this is, this is Anna Grant paying off a kind of elite. 353 00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:09.180 You know, it's it, it, it's like David Cameron and Boris Johnson, yeah? 354 00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:14.759 This is something that goes back to school that's being played out because they're powerful. 355 00:25:14.819 --> 00:25:15.660 It's being played out. 356 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:23.160 Um, you know, with a with a country or an empire as the kind of playing fielder Eton or the equivalence. 357 00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:29.039 You know, there's a personal grudge that goes on there, or that's how I read it anyway, you know. 358 00:25:29.099 --> 00:25:39.000 Um, and these poor, these poor lads that uh, Anna Grant has got in to do her dirty work, are the sort of foot soldiers that she, she throws at Servlan. 359 00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:45.420 So, um, but I do, I like to think that Anagram got converted to Marxism or something. 360 00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:50.700 I think she sits on the table and goes, you know, a fitting or to wet the appetite. 361 00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:58.019 She's really behind this idea of a people's capital in a way that only posh oxbridge people are behind oxygen, you know? 362 00:25:58.079 --> 00:26:10.619 And she's having to deal with this rappel of men who, yeah, who, who she accuses of not thinking and only thinking of their, almost like thinking with their stomachs or whatever. 363 00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:15.240 And the men want this and the men want that and they do fight and they do die. 364 00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:17.700 He's terrible. 365 00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:21.119 In a, in a, in an every so great performance. 366 00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:21.839 He's awful. 367 00:26:21.900 --> 00:26:22.859 I'm sorry. 368 00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:26.400 Best thing that happens to his character is getting shot. 369 00:26:26.460 --> 00:26:27.119 Yeah. 370 00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:28.380 He's like Ray. 371 00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:33.720 He reminds me, do you remember Ray, the person in Serverland's 1st scene who... 372 00:26:33.779 --> 00:26:35.039 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 373 00:26:35.099 --> 00:26:36.359 She's been having enough air with. 374 00:26:36.420 --> 00:26:44.160 Just that sort of slight, a bit ginger and very pale skinned and not very impactful. 375 00:26:44.220 --> 00:26:45.779 Yeah, he isn't very good. 376 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:47.099 One thing I... 377 00:26:47.099 --> 00:26:48.420 The great women have got a type. 378 00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:50.039 Yeah. 379 00:26:50.099 --> 00:26:54.839 Well, there's a bit of primitive animal magnetism in all of us. 380 00:26:55.920 --> 00:26:58.319 Speak yourselves, darling. 381 00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:12.299 But that whole sequence where, again, it's obviously for budgetary reasons where our guys are sneaking around the background of this revolution. 382 00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:23.579 And in fact, you know, we see the those very sort of limp fights, um, just so that we can see the building and stuff, I guess, and to try and sell it. 383 00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:33.359 But when when it's won, uh, and she's speaking and Hobbs is speaking to the men, that's all happening in the background in another room completely. 384 00:27:33.420 --> 00:27:41.039 And we actually see Sula leave the room where she's just given a speech and sort of start being in the same space as our characters. 385 00:27:41.099 --> 00:27:54.539 So there is a big story going on that we just get to be at the margins of, um, and I think that that's, that's very good, you know, like because Blake 7's never going to do it. 386 00:27:54.599 --> 00:27:56.460 It's never going to be able to do that. 387 00:27:56.579 --> 00:27:59.640 And so to make it a virtue, I think is a pretty good thing. 388 00:27:59.700 --> 00:28:11.940 You take something which is a budget limitation, you turn it into a stylistic flourish, which actually adds the drama, that these people are, you know, creeping around the background of what is would be a revolution. 389 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:17.160 If you didn't kill off the instigator, the basement. 390 00:28:17.220 --> 00:28:19.559 Can you imagine if this was the expanse? 391 00:28:19.619 --> 00:28:25.740 We'd have had like 3 episodes setting up Anna Grant and Chesco and what's his name? 392 00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:28.500 When are we doing the expense podcast? 393 00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:29.460 we're doing it now. 394 00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:30.180 Let's do it. 395 00:28:30.299 --> 00:28:33.059 That's one for my Una bingo card. 396 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:33.779 Expanding. 397 00:28:34.140 --> 00:28:36.299 I'll have to watch again. 398 00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:40.920 If I start watching the expanse again, like I'm not going to move from the sofa for 3 weeks, it's just... 399 00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:43.619 But pull it down. 400 00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:50.579 The one bit we do get to see is obviously Sula and the men taking down Serverland, which is great. 401 00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:59.099 But we don't see the violence against her, which is all then implied by the makeup and when we see her chained to the wall. 402 00:28:59.099 --> 00:29:08.099 But that confrontation between Sula or Anna Grant or Bartolomew, whoever you want her to be this week and Serviland is really, really great. 403 00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:11.819 And Jacqueline Pierce plays it magnificently. 404 00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:15.000 Oh, when she rises from that desk. 405 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:16.380 Yeah. herself. 406 00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:20.940 Oh, they finally, you know, I always knew they were going to come at some point. 407 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:29.220 I always knew that door would get kicked down and I've thought through how I'm going to present myself and I'm going to be like a queen, yeah? 408 00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:31.619 I'm going to be the empress, yeah? 409 00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:33.059 And then you're right. 410 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:37.019 There's a sort of there's a scene we don't see where they give her an absolute kicking, isn't there? 411 00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:40.920 Did expect Jack Nicholson to come through the door after the way it broke down? 412 00:29:42.180 --> 00:29:55.259 But I think I think that we don't see Servoland as the victim of violence in that scene for the same reason that we don't see Avon Lovestruck that we those characters wouldn't survive that. 413 00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:57.779 We don't want to see it. 414 00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:00.420 We, you know, must... 415 00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:00.960 Yeah, yeah. 416 00:30:01.019 --> 00:30:03.359 And it's Fiona Cumming directs it, right? 417 00:30:03.420 --> 00:30:09.059 And she absolutely makes sure that we don't ever get to see those character breaking moments. 418 00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:10.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 419 00:30:10.980 --> 00:30:12.839 That's really, really interesting actually. 420 00:30:12.900 --> 00:30:14.039 Yeah, that's a really good point. 421 00:30:14.099 --> 00:30:15.480 And you don't want to see it. 422 00:30:15.539 --> 00:30:17.759 You don't want to see several unhumiliated, do you? 423 00:30:17.819 --> 00:30:18.180 No. 424 00:30:18.180 --> 00:30:19.319 You want to see her. 425 00:30:19.380 --> 00:30:24.420 I mean, you know, for all her obvious complete absence of any moral core. 426 00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:32.099 You want to see her standing in her palace when the guards arrive, brushing down her dress, going, what took you, gentlemen, you know? 427 00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:42.299 And by the end of the episode, she's right back to that because she's had, like we said earlier, she's had that moment of, she's been vulnerable. 428 00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:50.700 She's been taken down, but she's got the better of Avon, and she's stroked him with the gun, and suddenly she's back to being Servolan. 429 00:30:50.700 --> 00:31:03.960 And so she can do this again, and she will, she will carefully box that up in her head and, and, like I said, pretend that never happened, and off she'll go to, to deal with Moloch or whatever. 430 00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:07.079 And who will tell? 431 00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:08.400 The Tony April, you know. 432 00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:10.740 Stop telling. 433 00:31:10.740 --> 00:31:10.980 Yeah. 434 00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:24.180 They don't actually kind of properly sell it, but she ends up escaping from her bonds, finding a gun, shooting the leader of the rebels dead, we think, you know, as far as anyone else is concerned. 435 00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:33.839 And so, because, you know, Tarrant is concerned that she doesn't come back from this, you know, once she's been chained up to a wall in her own palace, that's it. 436 00:31:33.900 --> 00:31:34.440 She's done. 437 00:31:34.500 --> 00:31:35.579 But she's not done. 438 00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:41.880 The show doesn't actually kind of rub it in, but she absolutely wins at the end, even though she doesn't get to. 439 00:31:41.940 --> 00:31:43.859 She actually, she actually wins the episode in a way. 440 00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:44.339 Yeah, yeah. 441 00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:45.180 Absolutely. 442 00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:46.680 Yeah. 443 00:31:46.740 --> 00:31:47.279 That's great. 444 00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:49.380 Nobody, she can she can tell those guards. 445 00:31:49.380 --> 00:31:51.180 I had to see these people off single-handed. 446 00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:52.079 You know? 447 00:31:52.140 --> 00:31:53.759 Well, no. 448 00:31:53.819 --> 00:31:56.039 And they didn't damage my pearl necklace at all. 449 00:31:57.299 --> 00:31:59.880 Little damage to that. 450 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:02.400 The way she just delivers that line. 451 00:32:02.460 --> 00:32:06.539 I'm going to send your friends a corpse is just... 452 00:32:06.539 --> 00:32:07.440 Corpse reviver. 453 00:32:07.500 --> 00:32:08.220 Yeah. 454 00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:10.200 Fabulous. 455 00:32:10.740 --> 00:32:13.079 That's, doesn't it? 456 00:32:13.140 --> 00:32:14.819 I've seen that dress in someone's collection. 457 00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:19.140 It's like seeing a holy relic or something. like a churi trout. 458 00:32:19.140 --> 00:32:22.079 Pierce warm this. 459 00:32:22.140 --> 00:32:23.759 This is an only relic. 460 00:32:24.299 --> 00:32:29.579 I literally feel that about everything that she wears though. like just in every episode. 461 00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:32.460 The shiny, the shiny metal boob blizzard. 462 00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:34.380 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 463 00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:36.539 All the red thing in Gambit. 464 00:32:36.660 --> 00:32:38.759 Oh, yeah, film, egg, listen. 465 00:32:38.819 --> 00:32:39.359 Yeah, awesome. 466 00:32:41.099 --> 00:32:43.920 I think that Villa should have been drunk. 467 00:32:43.980 --> 00:32:45.000 How about this? 468 00:32:45.059 --> 00:32:59.160 I think the script wants Villa to be drunk and Fiona coming doesn't want him to be drunk and I think that he, because he does that hilarious line that Una quoted earlier, the I only drink to be sociable, cheers or rack. 469 00:32:59.220 --> 00:33:07.440 And it's beautifully directed by Fiona. because he's kind of a bit embarrassed about doing it Norax in the foreground and he's sort of awkwardly in the sort of side of the shot. 470 00:33:07.500 --> 00:33:15.839 But then he kind of fucks up, uh, like I think that there has to be the reason why he fucks up, um, pulling them out too early. 471 00:33:15.900 --> 00:33:21.119 And then when they say, well, what happened to the input coordinates, why didn't you check them? 472 00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:22.200 And he says, I forgot. 473 00:33:22.259 --> 00:33:27.240 Clearly, again, he's kind of meant to be drunk, but we don't kind of want to quite go there. 474 00:33:27.420 --> 00:33:31.559 That's kind of because, you know, you think this is going out at 7 o'clock. 475 00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:32.579 Yeah. 476 00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:35.220 They just kind of, But it's all there, isn't it? 477 00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:39.960 You've got the bottle that's full. then shot later, the bottle that's completely absolute. 478 00:33:40.019 --> 00:33:42.720 Why is he drinking out of it like a sample bottle? 479 00:33:42.779 --> 00:33:47.339 It's not as bad as a few episodes where when he was drinking Tabasco. 480 00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:51.839 Spike, he's on the bleach or the cough. 481 00:33:52.259 --> 00:33:55.680 I'm here alone with only your act for company. 482 00:33:55.740 --> 00:33:56.640 I might as well just. 483 00:33:56.819 --> 00:33:57.839 Drinking swap eager. 484 00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:14.099 And I actually love the bit because and he sidles up to Avon and gives him a drink in that final scene and Avon takes it without snuffing, without saying anything and he drinks it. 485 00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:15.420 I think that's really good. 486 00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:16.800 And again... 487 00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:19.440 Phyllis saying, this is what I do when I think. 488 00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:20.579 Yes. 489 00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:23.639 But he's right, and Avon does it as well. 490 00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:36.420 I think, and again, it's so rare to get moments of the characters apparently caring for one another because it's all sort of hilarious Boucher dialogue and sort of match her bullshit and stuff, but just that sort of thing. 491 00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:39.960 There's a bit of it in this episode and that, I think, is wonderful. 492 00:34:40.019 --> 00:34:41.880 The little villa moment at the end. 493 00:34:41.940 --> 00:34:59.340 And it's almost like a callback to the end of city at the edge of the world where Villa has just lost the love of his life and Avon responds in the way that only Avon can to almost put him down, but almost just sort of give him that moment of, yep. 494 00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:06.119 Look, I know what you've been through and welcome back, Villa, that's all you're getting and that's as warm as it gets from me. 495 00:35:06.179 --> 00:35:12.059 And then Villa does the same in kind to Avon here and helps him in the way that only he can. 496 00:35:12.179 --> 00:35:13.500 Yeah. 497 00:35:13.500 --> 00:35:14.699 Alcoholism. 498 00:35:14.820 --> 00:35:15.480 Yes. 499 00:35:16.980 --> 00:35:18.539 Drink. 500 00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:22.139 How is Dana in this episode, do we think? 501 00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:22.980 Does she get enough to do it? 502 00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:24.960 I mean, Dana in general doesn't really get enough to do it. 503 00:35:25.019 --> 00:35:28.500 She's got she's got that nice scene where they they kind of bitch about Aurak. 504 00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:43.679 Yeah, and which is sort of a nice little moment of humour and something, obviously, I think she sees something in Avon where she can make him smile and sort of take him out of it for a moment and sort of break his mood for just that bit. 505 00:35:43.739 --> 00:35:46.619 And she does that quite a lot through this season. 506 00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:52.139 There are lots of little lovely scenes between her and Darrow, which are absolutely great. 507 00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:57.239 Colin, have we persuaded you of the... 508 00:35:57.239 --> 00:35:57.840 Yes, yes. 509 00:35:57.900 --> 00:35:59.760 So you are wrong. 510 00:35:59.940 --> 00:36:01.679 Yes, please stop. 511 00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:06.480 Yeah, to quote Peter Capaldi in Death in Heaven. 512 00:36:06.539 --> 00:36:08.519 I am an idiot. 513 00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:18.900 No, it's, it's, I, I think you've, I think it's like a strong sort of 8.3 out of 10. you know, it's good. 514 00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:19.619 I like it. 515 00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:21.360 You had the Todd experience. 516 00:36:21.420 --> 00:36:23.400 I always have the thought experience. 517 00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:24.360 It's always good. 518 00:36:25.380 --> 00:36:28.139 What was it before we started recording? 519 00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:29.340 What would you have awarded? 520 00:36:29.699 --> 00:36:32.219 I think I was kind of like at a six. 521 00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:36.599 But I think I think I just wasn't as familiar with it as I needed to be. 522 00:36:36.659 --> 00:36:43.679 And I think this morning's viewing, I was like, okay, I understand Grenley and Forrest, and I understand what they're trying to do with it. 523 00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:50.519 And I could feel more of the backstory kind of emerging like Dana saying, what the hell happened to the rebellion, you know? 524 00:36:50.579 --> 00:36:53.099 And so it does... 525 00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:55.380 There is a lot that happens in this episode. 526 00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:56.579 Like it's packed. 527 00:36:56.760 --> 00:37:00.599 There's 3 different sort of strands of plot, really. 528 00:37:01.500 --> 00:37:05.519 You've got the snarky, the snarky security guys. 529 00:37:05.579 --> 00:37:07.860 You've got 2 A plots. 530 00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:09.539 Yeah. 531 00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:15.480 And then all the stuff is shrinker at the start, which is just sort of, you know, that's just setup, isn't it? 532 00:37:15.539 --> 00:37:17.159 I didn't count his number of scenes. 533 00:37:17.219 --> 00:37:23.219 I think it's probably it's probably slightly more probably, I think, 3 or 4 because they cut away again, don't they? 534 00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:26.039 So Evan's got a couple of um, A couple of scenes. 535 00:37:26.039 --> 00:37:29.940 Um, oh, there's some great lines in that in those as well, isn't it? 536 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:33.239 Paranoia is the occupational hazard of the torturer. 537 00:37:33.300 --> 00:37:34.320 Mr... 538 00:37:34.380 --> 00:37:41.280 I like, I like, um, was it their festidious, does them, fastidiousness, does them credit or something like that? 539 00:37:41.340 --> 00:37:42.480 Yeah, yeah. 540 00:37:42.539 --> 00:37:44.400 He's got it in the lousy jumps. 541 00:37:44.460 --> 00:37:46.619 It's so good, isn't it? 542 00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:47.519 It's so great. 543 00:37:47.579 --> 00:37:56.699 That also has the, you know, shrink of moving from side to side. and even going, no one can accuse you of being doctrinaire. 544 00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:59.099 Like I think that's absolutely brilliant. 545 00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:02.219 And it's super black. 546 00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:03.840 It's super bleak, isn't it? 547 00:38:03.900 --> 00:38:04.920 It's really black. 548 00:38:04.980 --> 00:38:09.719 That, that, like, it's hard to believe. 549 00:38:09.780 --> 00:38:12.480 Like, we were never going to see even just shoot some guy in the head, right? 550 00:38:12.539 --> 00:38:14.280 He can do it in a fight and stuff like that. 551 00:38:14.340 --> 00:38:16.800 He can't shoot an unarmed man in the head. 552 00:38:16.860 --> 00:38:22.079 We can't see that, particularly not now that he's our lead, but just leaving him there. 553 00:38:22.139 --> 00:38:25.079 You will even in a cave that you can't get out of with a gun. 554 00:38:25.139 --> 00:38:25.739 Yeah, yeah. 555 00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:26.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 556 00:38:26.820 --> 00:38:29.639 It's fastidiousness did in credits. 557 00:38:29.699 --> 00:38:29.940 Yeah. 558 00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:32.880 No, it's so... 559 00:38:32.940 --> 00:38:37.559 I want to know which one of the crew went down and painted Anna Grant's face on that wall. 560 00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:41.280 Which one of them has former acts? 561 00:38:41.280 --> 00:39:00.539 whole subgenre of Blake 7 fan fiction about that picture of Anna Grant's and, you know, whether Avon has it in his back pocket on the London, you know, in, I think it's in, uh, Space 4, Avon is looking at a kind of piece of paper and, you know, is that the picture of Anna and these kinds of things? 562 00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:04.679 I found that picture baffling as a kid because I didn't realise it was her. 563 00:39:04.739 --> 00:39:07.019 I found it baffling last night. 564 00:39:07.139 --> 00:39:08.219 Yeah, yes. 565 00:39:08.219 --> 00:39:10.440 Oh, that's her, right. okay. 566 00:39:10.500 --> 00:39:11.400 Right. 567 00:39:11.460 --> 00:39:13.619 I've just done a lot more of this now. 568 00:39:13.980 --> 00:39:18.599 I actually think it's the same person that painted John Pertwee on the wall. 569 00:39:18.659 --> 00:39:21.300 Yeah, and Katie Pentagon. 570 00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:22.559 Oh, yeah. 571 00:39:22.619 --> 00:39:27.719 But not the same one as paints that amazing full-length Jackie Pierce in Traitor. 572 00:39:27.780 --> 00:39:29.219 Oh, oh, great. 573 00:39:32.340 --> 00:39:34.559 Yeah, that's really great, isn't it? 574 00:39:34.619 --> 00:39:44.699 I talked about that set before as well. because I'm a big fan of the sort of shiny plastic rocks in Blake 7 thing, which we got in aftermath, and we get here. 575 00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:46.139 We get it a bit in horizon. 576 00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:48.659 You know, like it's a very, very blank 7 look. 577 00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:50.039 Yeah. 578 00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:54.000 And it lets you have the studio lights in shot. 579 00:39:54.059 --> 00:39:54.780 Do you know what I mean? 580 00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:58.139 Because they've set up the lighting so that I even can be dramatic. 581 00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:04.019 You know, he can turn the lighting on and Anna appears dramatically, you know, like it's all perfectly set up. 582 00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:05.579 It's uh, yeah. 583 00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:07.920 I really like that. 584 00:40:07.980 --> 00:40:10.139 I just think that's a terrific... 585 00:40:10.139 --> 00:40:14.699 There's an implausible shot in that scene and I think I know now what Fiona Cummey is doing. 586 00:40:14.820 --> 00:40:21.840 Apon has his, so he's over on the right-hand sign of the screen facing the camera and he's got his back to shrinking. 587 00:40:21.900 --> 00:40:23.699 You think a shrinker, just jumping, yeah? 588 00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:27.420 But it's actually a mirror of the final shot of the show, isn't it? 589 00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:29.940 Because he's over on the right with his back to us. 590 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:33.780 So I assume she either liked that shot or she consciously echoed. 591 00:40:33.900 --> 00:40:35.639 What was going on there? 592 00:40:35.699 --> 00:40:43.860 So, um, uh, but I mean, I look at that shot and think, you know, Shrinker could have just clocked him on the back of the head at this point, so that would have been. 593 00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:48.420 Don't you think it's a convenient way of getting both actors faces in a 2 shot? 594 00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:53.159 I mean, I can't remember having a conversation with the back of someone's head, ever. 595 00:40:53.219 --> 00:40:55.739 You know, like, I think it's just... 596 00:40:55.739 --> 00:40:59.400 Although, the way you... you do look like you're doing that. 597 00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:09.179 Do we think Avon's persona sort of noticeably changes after this? 598 00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:15.539 I think it, to me it does in season four, D. He's certainly like all out for it. 599 00:41:15.659 --> 00:41:28.199 But I think he's, he's, he's sort of, his performance, you know, he's doing so many things so deliberately, like even the way he switches on Aurak, the, like, the, the sort, he's almost punching Aurak to switch it on. 600 00:41:28.260 --> 00:41:30.480 And whenever he gets a gun out, puts a gun away. 601 00:41:30.539 --> 00:41:34.440 It's not the sort of clip clop clip clop, horseshoe sound you normally get. 602 00:41:34.500 --> 00:41:48.059 It's just like, bam, you know, he's being very, very sort of deliberate, and then I feel like, um, he, I think he's still a little bit, you know, the same in at the end of, towards the end of this series, but series D, I think he's like all out. 603 00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:52.679 Yeah, he's doing he's doing his kind of full Western thing by that. 604 00:41:52.739 --> 00:41:56.579 I think if you do a I mean, that's that's Darrow sort of let loose to do whatever he wants. 605 00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:58.679 If you try and think of a sort of in frame reason. 606 00:41:58.739 --> 00:42:01.380 I think it's the death of Callie that tips him over. 607 00:42:01.500 --> 00:42:02.400 Right. 608 00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:14.639 Yeah, like, I think, but likely establishing the next episode, it's, um, uh, Cali, Cali has become a sort of moral, Cali's become an emotional anchor. 609 00:42:14.699 --> 00:42:14.880 Yeah. 610 00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:16.139 She keeps him centred. 611 00:42:16.260 --> 00:42:17.820 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 612 00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:21.480 And that once that anchor is gone. 613 00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:28.320 Even, yeah, you know, and none of the others can stop him because my reading is Villa's really quite drunk by then. 614 00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:35.400 And Taryn and Dana are quite rightly sort of detaching from this pair of... 615 00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:43.739 This drunkenness, lunatic, they're sort of, I sort of imagine Dana picturing her way out a lot of the time, Taranto. 616 00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:50.159 But yeah, in frame, it's Callie's death. 617 00:42:50.219 --> 00:42:57.179 I think in real life, what happens is Glenus turns up and sees what Paul is doing and just says, I'll do that. 618 00:42:57.239 --> 00:43:00.719 And so Paul has to take it even further. 619 00:43:00.780 --> 00:43:05.460 You know, just so that he'd be noticed. basic on the screen. 620 00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:11.099 I mean, if I was doing, you know, if I was in charge of this show, it'd obviously be amazing if I was in charge of the show. 621 00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:16.559 Just have, um, uh, Plinys, Barbara and Paul Darrow on screen together. all the time. 622 00:43:16.619 --> 00:43:22.320 Well, they get those beach chairs, the banana lounges at the front of a slave. 623 00:43:22.380 --> 00:43:26.099 They could just live there, you know, on the screen. 624 00:43:26.099 --> 00:43:27.059 And snipe at each other. 625 00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:28.079 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 626 00:43:28.139 --> 00:43:28.679 Just tremendous. 627 00:43:28.739 --> 00:43:38.280 It's a dream poster, post Blake show for me is Zulin, Avon villa in Aurak, kind of in a tiny ship. 628 00:43:41.579 --> 00:43:49.380 But I don't know if it's significant or not, but this is the 1st time that Avon is decked out all in black. 629 00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:58.139 Never more black to this extent ever before, and this sort of sets the pattern then for the rest of the series. 630 00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:02.460 So almost like, as well with the, um, with Serverland wearing black and white. 631 00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:10.019 It's like the, the cusp of, this is where the show's going to go, and this is like the handover to what's to come. 632 00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:18.599 I mean, obviously that a lot of that's sort of with hindsight, but Avon does wear a lot more black after this than he ever has sort of before. 633 00:44:19.019 --> 00:44:20.400 Yeah. 634 00:44:20.460 --> 00:44:27.119 I mean, he has basically only 2 costumes in series D. There's a handful of episodes left. 635 00:44:27.179 --> 00:44:32.280 And, you know, he wears black next week for very clear thematic reasons. 636 00:44:32.340 --> 00:44:32.940 Yes. 637 00:44:32.940 --> 00:44:34.920 Yeah. 638 00:44:34.980 --> 00:44:45.480 I think he looked pretty good. earlier on where he was wearing the lobster outfit, but he didn't have the top on, you know, so he just had the sort of black turtleneck and I think he looked pretty pretty good. 639 00:44:45.539 --> 00:44:48.840 That's what happens after you break... 640 00:44:48.900 --> 00:44:49.380 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 641 00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:50.699 After you show... 642 00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:53.219 More flash inside. 643 00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:55.739 You can tell I don't eat seafood. 644 00:44:56.940 --> 00:45:00.539 Yeah, this does a leather that never really did it for me. 645 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:06.000 I like the, there's a, there's a green one that looks quite good on him, I think. sort of greyish green one. 646 00:45:06.059 --> 00:45:06.360 Yeah. 647 00:45:06.420 --> 00:45:13.679 I'm glad there are other people that pay as close attention to. yeah. are very important to Blake 7. 648 00:45:13.739 --> 00:45:19.440 It was a website once that documented all of Sulin's her styles, but I think that was one. 649 00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:30.119 But do you remember, do you remember the kid in Traitor, the young man in Traitor who's wearing Avon's leather outfit with all the stunts? 650 00:45:30.179 --> 00:45:39.719 So I think that when Liberated explodes in terminal, somehow the wardrobe remains intact and lands on that planet. 651 00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:42.179 Hellatrix. 652 00:45:42.420 --> 00:45:43.739 It's an ASOS standard. 653 00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:46.980 They have more Ashley everywhere. 654 00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:49.800 Even in the system. 655 00:45:51.239 --> 00:46:05.400 I think one of the things we've not really spoken about is, and we've sort of touched on it briefly is just the scene with Anna and Avon at the end, which is is so important and how have we not spoken about this before? 656 00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:10.800 Obviously, who's just chomping at the bit to murder savings about this? 657 00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:19.079 Oh, well, I can't, I really can't say enough how important this episode was to me when I, when I watched it when I was 8 or 9. 658 00:46:19.139 --> 00:46:24.539 And then, you know, it came out on video when I was, what, 18 or something. 659 00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:27.900 I just watched it again and again and again and again. 660 00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:41.760 That's, and then I wrote reams of fan fiction about anagram, loads of fan, I think, this episode is sort of my 1st exercise in really sort of going, well, what, what, what really is happening here and, uh, what must have happened behind this? 661 00:46:41.820 --> 00:46:44.340 I've got loads of anagrams backstory in my head. 662 00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:53.460 Because you, what you've got on screen clearly has a depth behind it, but you're not being told it. you're just sort of being given the performance. 663 00:46:53.519 --> 00:47:09.420 Uh, and that scene is, um, God, it's so, yeah, I sort of remember being maybe, uh, I had, I had an offer copy of this as well because we, we were early adopters of VCR technology, so I, I had this episode on videotape and watching it again and again. 664 00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:16.679 And um, Just as the, as you get a bit older, maybe as you sort of, you know, you watch it maybe you're 14. you kind of go. 665 00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:19.500 God, this is really sad. 666 00:47:21.659 --> 00:47:29.159 And I think, I mean, I absolutely believe that, you know, Anna made the dreadful mistake of falling for him. 667 00:47:29.219 --> 00:47:34.619 Because who wouldn't, you know, perfectly reasonable too, fall in love with Paul Darrow. 668 00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:35.219 It's beautiful. 669 00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:35.820 Yeah? 670 00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:45.239 Um, so I, I think Anna made that, and that's just tragic, you know, she's locked in this situation, and has to, has to see it through. 671 00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:46.860 Yeah, it's great. 672 00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:47.340 I love it. 673 00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:49.199 Just that line at the end. 674 00:47:49.260 --> 00:47:50.159 Yeah. 675 00:47:50.219 --> 00:47:52.739 I let you go, my love, yeah? 676 00:47:52.980 --> 00:47:56.519 And I was only ever Anna Grant with you. 677 00:47:56.579 --> 00:47:57.480 It's just devastating. 678 00:47:57.539 --> 00:47:59.400 It wasn't all lies. 679 00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:00.420 Yeah, yeah. 680 00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:01.739 Well, that's the thing. 681 00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:03.179 She was on Anna Grand. 682 00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:05.400 Like, she she was Anna Grant. 683 00:48:05.460 --> 00:48:12.000 Like her brother exists unless he, that was an elaborate kind of cover as well. 684 00:48:12.059 --> 00:48:13.199 Yeah. 685 00:48:13.739 --> 00:48:28.199 There are some, I think if you think it through, you go, how is she, how has she managed to read, if, you know, several I know she was both all immune, Anna Grandma's Bartholomew, how has she resurfaced as Sula Chescu and what did Chescu know and all these sorts of things? 686 00:48:28.260 --> 00:48:31.739 And I assume that Boucher's got on it had an explanation in his head. 687 00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:37.079 I'm not sure that quite makes it all on screen, but you can scrutinise these things too closely, I think. 688 00:48:37.139 --> 00:48:39.480 I wonder too. 689 00:48:39.539 --> 00:48:48.179 I wonder how we're supposed to read what she says because we've seen her with her other lover. 690 00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:55.019 Um, you know, in at the beginning and that's all false and she's kind of lied. 691 00:48:55.079 --> 00:49:06.599 And so are we to just assume that because it's a main character or because things of, you know, come to a head and everyone's pointing guns at one another and we don't know whether we're expected to live or anything. 692 00:49:06.659 --> 00:49:19.139 And so one of the things that I think works well is the fact that it doesn't really come down on any side, is she telling the truth or not or is she still spinning? 693 00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:32.579 And I think, because if she's not telling the truth or if even can't tell, that's actually quite a good outcome as well, that he can't even know for sure what she thought whether she was telling the truth. 694 00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:40.739 And I guess it's only the I let you go, where it just sounds, well, yeah, you know, like, yeah. 695 00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:49.139 But, you know, like I, I did find myself wondering how, how I was supposed to read that, like what I was supposed to think of what she was saying. 696 00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:51.780 She's spending like hell at the start of the scene, isn't she? 697 00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:55.199 Yeah, I mean, she playing the S. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 698 00:49:55.260 --> 00:49:57.900 My husband, he didn't mean anything, blah, blah, blah, all of that. 699 00:49:57.960 --> 00:49:58.380 Yeah. 700 00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:00.480 I changed, why won't you touch me? 701 00:50:00.539 --> 00:50:02.280 You know, it's all it's a, that's the play. 702 00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:11.460 But I completely think once she's lying on the ground and no, she's dying, I think, but she's, you know. that she's got nothing to lose. 703 00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:13.619 She may as well just speak the truth. 704 00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:15.179 Can you convict yourself? 705 00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:15.780 Or is it? 706 00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:19.800 Or is it a last way of getting him? 707 00:50:19.860 --> 00:50:20.940 Do you know what I mean? 708 00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:22.139 Like she shot him. 709 00:50:22.260 --> 00:50:24.119 No, I shot him. 710 00:50:24.179 --> 00:50:25.380 He shot her, rather. 711 00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:26.039 He's shot. 712 00:50:26.099 --> 00:50:30.179 I think this I think this is the kind of thing where the interpretation reflects on the reader. 713 00:50:31.619 --> 00:50:34.079 But what I do... 714 00:50:34.139 --> 00:50:39.119 Are you a are you a dye the world cynic or is there a little bit of idealist inside you? 715 00:50:39.179 --> 00:50:39.480 Yeah. 716 00:50:39.539 --> 00:50:50.699 Yeah, but I don't want I don't want Avan to be in a position where he can be certain that there was one good wholesome thing in his life, that, you know, and he isn't, like, by the end of this. 717 00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:52.500 Yeah, that's right. 718 00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:56.699 That's right So he shot first, which makes her gribo. 719 00:50:56.760 --> 00:50:57.179 Yeah. 720 00:50:58.139 --> 00:51:00.599 Yeah, does she fumble it? 721 00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:04.920 Or, uh, I can't quite, I'm not sure the choreography of it. 722 00:51:04.980 --> 00:51:06.000 That's what I meant. 723 00:51:06.059 --> 00:51:06.239 Yeah. 724 00:51:06.300 --> 00:51:08.039 It's not very good, is it? 725 00:51:08.099 --> 00:51:20.099 And it's the same thing where she does it where Servland doesn't get to shoot even because someone comes in and she looks away and neither of those, I think, work. 726 00:51:20.099 --> 00:51:23.159 Like they're not, they're not that well directed. 727 00:51:23.219 --> 00:51:24.780 I think... 728 00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:31.679 Yeah, look, I think Fiona Cummings great, but I think maybe that sort of action is not her forte. perhaps. 729 00:51:31.739 --> 00:51:32.579 Yeah. 730 00:51:32.579 --> 00:51:43.860 My suspicion is that at the root of it is that, well, of course, you've got, you've got the thing, you, you've got the narrative logic that, of course, Avon, it has to come out of this scene alive. 731 00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:44.219 Yeah. 732 00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:44.940 Yeah. 733 00:51:44.940 --> 00:51:50.639 And that's always a really difficult thing to plot because ultimately you have to do something dumb like Servilon looks away. 734 00:51:50.699 --> 00:51:56.280 But also, I think there's a, I think there's a sort of, of course, he's going to fire faster. 735 00:51:56.340 --> 00:51:57.599 He's the man. 736 00:51:57.659 --> 00:52:05.340 I think is probably maybe a thing going on there and I think Fiona Cumming can't direct that because she doesn't believe that. 737 00:52:08.579 --> 00:52:14.940 And you can't you can't do something well, I think, if ultimately you don't sort of believe what. and then it's hard to subvert. 738 00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:22.679 And the only way you can subvert it is that Anna lets him get a shot off before she shoots, which doesn't seem very realistic. 739 00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:26.880 Um, But maybe her own ambivalence slows her down. 740 00:52:26.940 --> 00:52:27.480 I don't know. 741 00:52:27.539 --> 00:52:28.320 It's hard, yeah. 742 00:52:28.380 --> 00:52:30.000 That's why I love it. 743 00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:37.920 Even the thoughts a bit, but you kind of, you know, speculate about the characters, which means the character work is good. 744 00:52:37.980 --> 00:52:38.280 Yeah. 745 00:52:38.699 --> 00:52:45.420 There's 11 line that I just want to kind of mention, which is the, it's an old wall, even, it waits. 746 00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:50.760 I hope you don't die before you meet it or some reach it. 747 00:52:50.820 --> 00:52:53.219 And I'm not sure what that is. 748 00:52:53.280 --> 00:53:11.159 And I'm kind of getting a little bit of a kind of, you know, the wall, like lemure, the, the, you know, the wall against which you're executed, uh, the wall that kind of represents your mortality, your inability to kind of, um, but it's something else, isn't it? 749 00:53:11.219 --> 00:53:12.059 It's so good. 750 00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:15.239 Like, I just, I think it's such a good line of dialogue. 751 00:53:15.300 --> 00:53:16.920 So beautifully delivered by Jackie. 752 00:53:16.980 --> 00:53:18.780 Her eyes are really moist. 753 00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:19.679 Do you know what I mean? 754 00:53:19.739 --> 00:53:21.719 Like she really, really sells it. 755 00:53:21.780 --> 00:53:23.219 She's so, so great. 756 00:53:24.420 --> 00:53:29.460 Yeah, it's really properly good and I'm just not quite sure what it is. 757 00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:36.480 It's like, you end up chained up in your own basement by rebels. 758 00:53:36.539 --> 00:53:39.300 It's like just absolute complete failure. 759 00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:40.679 Yeah. 760 00:53:40.739 --> 00:53:47.039 Yeah, that's what I think it is. you know, the wall is, um, you, your humiliation, your defeat. 761 00:53:47.099 --> 00:53:55.260 Um, and um, she says, I hope you don't die before you reach it, which is, you know, awful. 762 00:53:55.320 --> 00:53:58.079 And of course, he reaches it within the next 5 minutes. 763 00:53:58.139 --> 00:53:59.340 Anna walks in. 764 00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:01.679 Yeah, and that's Steven's wall. 765 00:54:01.739 --> 00:54:01.980 Yep. 766 00:54:02.099 --> 00:54:03.059 Yeah, yeah. 767 00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:06.900 So, you know, he her wish comes true. 768 00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:11.099 I hope you don't die before you, you know, everything falls away from you. 769 00:54:11.579 --> 00:54:16.440 No, perhaps not true because he's got that sort of chonky bunch of friends. 770 00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:22.139 Someone give you a drink when he gets back upstairs, you'll be fine. 771 00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:22.920 Yeah exactly. 772 00:54:22.980 --> 00:54:23.940 But that's it. 773 00:54:24.059 --> 00:54:32.519 Yeah, it's a line that you, if you kind of, I think, it's a line that you instinctively understand because she gives it the emotional truth. 774 00:54:32.579 --> 00:54:34.980 And then you sort of have to pick it back. 775 00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:37.079 Oh, it's a really good I think it's a really good exchange. 776 00:54:37.139 --> 00:54:38.579 Really good line of dialogue. 777 00:54:45.420 --> 00:54:47.579 Thanks, everyone, for listening. 778 00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:50.940 Join us next week for lots of comedy oboe in sarcophagus. 779 00:54:51.000 --> 00:55:00.960 In the meantime, you can check out our other podcasts, Flight through Entirety, Bondfinger, Trap One, Jody Interterra, Untitled Star Trek Project, and Garrick's Trousers. 780 00:55:01.019 --> 00:55:02.460 I made that one up. 781 00:55:03.059 --> 00:55:05.820 Oh, I want to hear that now. 782 00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:07.380 We're gonna do it. 783 00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:12.719 And remember, if there's a revolution happening in your back garden, always asks security to look out the window. 784 00:55:12.780 --> 00:55:14.460 Thanks for listening and good night. 785 00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:15.420 Goodbye. 786 00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:16.559 Bye-bye. 787 00:55:16.619 --> 00:55:17.460 See you soon. 788 00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:18.300 Goodbye. 789 00:55:28.380 --> 00:55:30.599 Switching to manual. 790 00:55:30.659 --> 00:55:32.820 Maximum power on all drives. 791 00:55:35.940 --> 00:55:37.739 Maximal power.