WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 22:04:36 1 00:00:03.480 --> 00:00:06.059 Maximum power. 2 00:00:10.679 --> 00:00:18.179 Welcome to Maximum Power, the Blake 7 podcast where, this week, we are off to the harvest of Cairos. 3 00:00:18.239 --> 00:00:19.079 I'm Pete. 4 00:00:19.260 --> 00:00:21.660 I'm Cole, and a man and a human being and a man. 5 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:23.399 I'm just Peter. 6 00:00:23.460 --> 00:00:26.399 I'm Cy, and I'm Simon. 7 00:00:26.460 --> 00:00:28.980 And none of us are computers. 8 00:00:29.039 --> 00:00:39.119 But in now, in ancient Greek, I have discovered, chiros means time, almost specifically sort of timeliness, this might be an episode that's of its time, or it might not. 9 00:00:39.179 --> 00:00:42.060 It asks as challenging questions like, what is a man? 10 00:00:42.119 --> 00:00:43.200 What is a script? 11 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:45.539 And have you ever been to a harvester before? 12 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:48.179 And just, oh my god, what the hell were they thinking? 13 00:00:48.240 --> 00:00:51.420 is another question that pops into the mind a few times during this episode. 14 00:00:51.479 --> 00:00:54.359 Sigh. sorry, where would you start with this? 15 00:00:54.420 --> 00:00:56.100 Well, be a moth? 16 00:00:56.159 --> 00:01:05.040 I think Ben Steed has a few problems. he has some things that he really wants to get out of his system. 17 00:01:05.099 --> 00:01:07.799 And across his free scripts for Blake 7. 18 00:01:07.859 --> 00:01:13.019 He really, really gets those out of his system. 19 00:01:13.019 --> 00:01:13.980 Because this is the first, isn't it? 20 00:01:14.040 --> 00:01:15.180 This is his 1st shot. 21 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:24.540 His 1st shot at the Battle of the Sexes, about how men are superior to women in just about every single way. 22 00:01:24.599 --> 00:01:26.280 It gets worse from here. 23 00:01:26.340 --> 00:01:30.599 And that's the worst thing of all is that this is just the start. 24 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:38.939 And by the time he gets to Moloch later in the series, we've got real, real problematic material. 25 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:50.939 This one at least is fun and isn't, isn't too bad, but yeah, it's, it's a really interesting story. 26 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:57.239 And is incredibly enjoyable, but without actually being very, very good. 27 00:01:57.299 --> 00:02:07.620 Although there are brilliant, absolutely brilliant moments all the way through, and it's one of the most quotable episodes of all. 28 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:14.759 So I, it's not that, I don't like it, it's just, I don't understand where this was coming from. 29 00:02:14.819 --> 00:02:18.659 I think with sort of nearly 40 years, over 40 years on. 30 00:02:18.719 --> 00:02:23.819 It's very much a product of a time before it was even made. 31 00:02:25.500 --> 00:02:32.699 I've seen one online comment saying that it surpasses offensiveness to deliver hilarity or something like that. 32 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:38.759 Actually trying to be is it trying to be offensive and actually doing it being so incredibly silly that yeah. 33 00:02:38.819 --> 00:02:41.340 So I don't you think it stands to reason? 34 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:44.039 After all, he's a steed, some might say, a stallion. 35 00:02:44.099 --> 00:02:44.819 So he's a man. 36 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:49.740 He is definitely a man, not an artisan. 37 00:02:52.860 --> 00:02:56.460 We just going to sit here for an hour and quote the episode, aren't we? 38 00:02:56.580 --> 00:03:00.539 We're just going to, yes, react the episode. 39 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:05.879 I mean, I have to say that those opening scenes do set the tone for the campness of the episode. 40 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:12.599 And that opening scene with Servolan and her worry wart, Daster, who was the guy in Monster of Paladon, if you hadn't picked up on that. 41 00:03:12.659 --> 00:03:14.520 Yes, he's... 42 00:03:14.580 --> 00:03:17.460 They had just played to the hilt by Jacqueline Pierce. 43 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:19.379 That line, an artisan. 44 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:20.759 It's so camp. 45 00:03:20.819 --> 00:03:22.379 And the dialogue. 46 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:25.919 It's not, his name is Jarvi. they call him Jarvik. 47 00:03:25.979 --> 00:03:28.139 So his real name's probably Wilbur or something. 48 00:03:29.099 --> 00:03:30.479 Yes. 49 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:32.159 There are movies. 50 00:03:32.219 --> 00:03:33.120 I love that. 51 00:03:33.120 --> 00:03:40.139 Servolan is dressed like she's shot down a fairy godmother and stuffed it and that's like half of her costume. 52 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:47.099 I think we had a new costume designer in this week for of the one who's worked with Shirley Bassey a lot, which shows. 53 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:50.400 Yeah, I mean, it's definitely her campus outfits so far. 54 00:03:50.460 --> 00:04:00.419 And is that is not going to, this doesn't even reach the heights that her, her series D costumes reach, which are the pinnacle of camp. 55 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:05.879 But here, I think the costume really suggests her performance as well. 56 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:09.000 So she's in something that's really camp and flamboyant. 57 00:04:09.060 --> 00:04:12.900 So her performance becomes really camp and flamboyant to match that. 58 00:04:13.020 --> 00:04:20.100 That makes sense because everyone else is dressed in the way that they behave as well, i.e. Terenceyn attracts you. 59 00:04:20.100 --> 00:04:22.860 Callie's in a dressing gown. 60 00:04:22.920 --> 00:04:25.980 Avon's been to millets for some camping gear. 61 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:28.259 No one's really showing up particularly well. 62 00:04:28.500 --> 00:04:33.240 And the guards are, the guards are very fancy with their shoulder padded uniforms. 63 00:04:33.300 --> 00:04:39.720 There are moments where this episode comes perilously close, very enjoyably close to carry on Captain Chad. 64 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:45.540 Hello, sir. 65 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:49.680 Is it like that is this soldier that we've had so far? 66 00:04:49.740 --> 00:04:51.240 He really, really is. 67 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:52.860 And there've been some posh ones. 68 00:04:52.920 --> 00:05:09.060 Yeah Now, I have to confess that I have a very special relationship with this episode, because this is, was my very 1st episode of Blake 7, because Peter here, back in, I think it must have been 19, that's him. 69 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:15.959 In 1990. when Doctor Who had just left the Airways for the, well, what we thought at the time was the final time. 70 00:05:16.019 --> 00:05:20.399 And I'd heard of Blake 7, I knew that it existed, but I'd never actually seen an episode of it. 71 00:05:20.459 --> 00:05:24.120 And Peter lent me still quite early in our friendship. 72 00:05:24.180 --> 00:05:34.259 So he was lending me this very precious thing, which was a 4 hour tape, which contained Dawn of the Gods, Harvest of Chiros, City at the Edge of the World, and Children of our on. 73 00:05:34.379 --> 00:05:40.500 Wisely, he had forwarded the tape through to start at Harvest of Kyros. 74 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:45.480 And so I sort of thought, okay, so I sat down completely low. 75 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:46.319 Like he wasn't in the room. 76 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:54.839 So I took this home and I put it on and instantly, instantly, it had this incredible I was completely stepped away. 77 00:05:54.899 --> 00:06:00.720 It had this incredible familiarity, of course, because it all looked like, you know, Graham Williams era era of Doctor Who. 78 00:06:00.779 --> 00:06:05.160 And you have to remember, at the time, this was only 10 years earlier, this has gone out. 79 00:06:05.220 --> 00:06:10.379 And so for me, this defines, or this is Blake 7 for me. 80 00:06:10.379 --> 00:06:14.639 And I absolutely loved it from the moment it started. 81 00:06:14.699 --> 00:06:21.180 And that scene that you were just talking about with Servoland and Ortron, having that whole, they call him Jarvik. 82 00:06:21.240 --> 00:06:22.920 It absolutely captured my imagination. 83 00:06:22.980 --> 00:06:26.399 And of course, I'm seeing Jacqueline Pierce after I've already seen her as Cassini. 84 00:06:26.459 --> 00:06:31.920 So everything kind of fell into place and made sense as I started watching it. 85 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:35.939 And I absolutely love this episode and I'll defend it to the death. 86 00:06:36.060 --> 00:06:37.139 I have to 2nd that. great. 87 00:06:37.199 --> 00:06:45.720 This was one of my favourite episodes from childhood because I saw it in 1979, 1st transmission, and then I saw it repeated at midnight in 1981. 88 00:06:45.899 --> 00:06:49.439 I remember looking forward to this episode and even watching it now. 89 00:06:49.500 --> 00:06:53.939 There is so much to enjoy in this episode and so much that I think is genuinely good. 90 00:06:54.060 --> 00:06:56.459 Yes, there is so much that is genuinely good. 91 00:06:56.519 --> 00:07:05.160 Obviously, there are some things that haven't aged well, if I can express it in those terms, but I think the whole thing just hangs together so brilliantly. 92 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:10.800 And it just walks the right side of the landline of campness and ridiculousness. 93 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:15.420 It's quite wide of that line. 94 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:18.060 I can't be I can't be angry. 95 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:19.379 Yes, but I can't be angry with you. 96 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:23.160 I can't be angry with with anything that's wrong. 97 00:07:23.220 --> 00:07:24.360 I know there are things that are wrong with it. 98 00:07:24.420 --> 00:07:31.019 I know we're going to talk about those things in detail, but, I don't know, it's just, it's just brilliantly fun. 99 00:07:32.819 --> 00:07:40.920 Gerald Blake is directing this one of invasion of time fame is the 1st thing that springs to mind when I think of him. 100 00:07:40.980 --> 00:07:43.439 There's rather, though he's done quite a lot of other things, isn't he? 101 00:07:43.500 --> 00:07:45.480 But there's, I think this is only one. 102 00:07:45.600 --> 00:07:47.579 Oh no, he does another one like... 103 00:07:47.579 --> 00:07:56.759 That 1st fight scene, though, where Jarvik overpowers the guards and they sort of politely stand waiting for him to grab hold of their heads and very gently bop their heads together. 104 00:07:56.819 --> 00:07:58.680 It was a beautiful little one. 105 00:07:58.740 --> 00:08:04.139 I think they were hypnotised by the fact that he'd done zipped his shirt to the waist and were standing there with his hand on his head. 106 00:08:04.379 --> 00:08:06.300 No, no, no, no. 107 00:08:06.360 --> 00:08:09.839 The tunic, the tunic becomes more unzipped as the episode progresses. 108 00:08:09.899 --> 00:08:14.279 So after he's captured the liberator, the zip is practically all the way down to his crotch. 109 00:08:14.339 --> 00:08:17.639 Whereas earlier on, the zip is the zipper is at a more modest level. 110 00:08:17.699 --> 00:08:21.600 But there is actually something wrong with the execution of that scene. 111 00:08:21.660 --> 00:08:32.580 You're right, because when Serverland, much as I love the moment, when Serverland, she goes, will you obey me, it's all a bit like, I think we needed another shot somewhere or there's a bit of editing that was required. 112 00:08:32.700 --> 00:08:35.460 It's a bit clumsy, you're right. 113 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:37.860 And so as soon as you said, oh, you see, in directed invasion of time. 114 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:40.019 I go, oh, yeah, okay, that's what. 115 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:41.460 But it's true. 116 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:45.720 She's saying to her guards, oh, take take him. 117 00:08:45.779 --> 00:08:46.679 Will you obey me? 118 00:08:46.740 --> 00:08:50.940 And yet her arms are right in the way of the guards getting anywhere near Jarvi. 119 00:08:51.059 --> 00:08:56.039 As if she's about to protect them by her sheer fabulousness. 120 00:08:56.100 --> 00:08:56.759 Yes. 121 00:08:56.820 --> 00:08:58.440 I will shield a song. 122 00:08:58.559 --> 00:08:59.940 I will shield you from this madman. 123 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:10.860 But if Dudley Simpson had fed in the opening bars of a big spender, that precise moment, she could have just burst into it and it would have been absolutely fitting, not a tonal shift at all. 124 00:09:10.919 --> 00:09:14.879 I mean, we absolutely will talk about the problems with this episode because they are Legion. 125 00:09:14.940 --> 00:09:18.600 But there is more nuanced to it than you think at 1st glance. 126 00:09:18.659 --> 00:09:26.519 So that scene where Servilane is completely unafraid of Jarvik, when he's holding a gun on her, and a guard's been knocked down like bowling pins. 127 00:09:26.580 --> 00:09:28.860 She never sees her authority to him. 128 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:29.580 Never. 129 00:09:29.580 --> 00:09:30.899 And she's always in control. 130 00:09:31.139 --> 00:09:45.179 I'm somewhat reminded of the moment, and absolutely fabulous when Safie is appalled that the pictures in the newspaper of a political scandal. and and Safie goes, that's degrading and appalling for women. and Joanna Lumley goes, what do you mean? 131 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:45.960 She got the whip. 132 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:49.200 That kind of vibe. 133 00:09:49.259 --> 00:09:53.399 Zevland doesn't actually have a whip, but she's server land, so she's got to worry. 134 00:09:53.460 --> 00:10:02.820 No, and she only gives in in private when she's in her boudoir because there is no other word for that room than her boudoir. 135 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:05.580 It's a battle boudoir, isn't it? 136 00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:05.879 I think. 137 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:08.460 Battle Boud with a purple lit corridor outside. 138 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:09.179 Yes. 139 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:15.600 But even then her instruction is, her instruction is, I should like you to do it again. 140 00:10:15.659 --> 00:10:19.259 Like, she's in she's in command. 141 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:26.580 She says, you will now submit me to that disgusting and primitive integrating act again. 142 00:10:27.720 --> 00:10:31.080 I just love the way she purrs that line. 143 00:10:31.620 --> 00:10:34.139 It's a fabulous moment. 144 00:10:34.620 --> 00:10:41.460 It's actually a prelude of the way the performance develops over the rest of this season and into the final season. 145 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:47.700 I think it's where I think the endgame of Serverland kind of properly kicks into gear. 146 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:52.080 I think it's this, it's a serverland that I know and love is basically from here on. 147 00:10:52.139 --> 00:10:53.279 Oh, actually, not Switch, right. 148 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:54.240 From aftermath on. 149 00:10:54.299 --> 00:11:01.259 Basically, it's when server layers, like when they just throw away any pretence at realistic performance and just go for it. 150 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:10.259 Jarvik is such an interesting artefact of the time, though, because, I mean, there was never any, there was never ever, you know, in a lot of these sort of BBC dramas. 151 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:26.100 There was never any men that in the modern, sorry, there were very, very few men that in the modern era now you'd look back on and think, oh, four, he's a bit of all right, they've always got this kind of weird, heavy, quite heavy features and quite, quite unattractive. 152 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:31.980 I mean, they're obviously what, like a sort of a straight producer in the 1970s thought was an attractive man. 153 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:39.299 They didn't actually ask someone who might actually find him attractive because this guy actually has done those sorts of roles. 154 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:45.899 Like he's, I mean, I know he goes on to be vanguard in terminus, and he's obviously let himself go in the few years, in the intervening few years. 155 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:49.440 But he's kind of playing heartthrobby type things in Emmerdale, isn't he? 156 00:11:49.740 --> 00:11:50.039 that right? 157 00:11:50.100 --> 00:11:56.879 Yeah, that's right. yeah He was Fraser Heinz's brother in Emmerdale for a year or two. in the early 70s. 158 00:11:56.940 --> 00:11:57.179 Yeah. 159 00:11:57.240 --> 00:12:02.639 So he was he was a housewife's favourite, I suppose, would be what sort of thing that was on his TV. 160 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:07.139 That's the phrase they used. 161 00:12:07.259 --> 00:12:09.899 Well, that's what I think when I look at him. 162 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:10.980 I just go, oh, yuck. 163 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:15.419 Like, like, it's just completely the antithesis of what I consider to be an attractive man. 164 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:19.320 But it's that thing that like he doesn't like the computers, like he's sceptical of that. 165 00:12:19.379 --> 00:12:27.539 It's that it's not hippie, hippie's not the right way because of course it's post hippie and is in no way hippie, but it's like that back to basics back to the caveman. 166 00:12:27.600 --> 00:12:35.519 Like, you know, it's that Luddite sort of thing of we shun technology and technology is for wimps and for nerds and all that. 167 00:12:35.580 --> 00:12:47.879 And I'm a real man because I know how to, I know how to beat people up with my fists, if you know what I mean. rather than hide behind all their magical technology and pretty guns and so on and spark the uniforms. 168 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:56.759 Yeah, and he has the respect of the men as soon as he speaks to, like you said, his very posh person who is a pilot. 169 00:12:59.519 --> 00:13:03.059 I do remember how much I enjoyed fagging for you. 170 00:13:03.539 --> 00:13:05.399 No, that, mate. 171 00:13:05.460 --> 00:13:08.940 Maybe that needs, no, actually, we'll come to that later because there's a whole... 172 00:13:08.940 --> 00:13:17.460 It occurred to me you could do an interesting parallel of her repressed Servilands repressed dysfunctional relationship with Travis with this. 173 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:24.059 Is he her ultimate rebound from Travis and maybe we're going to say this every week on seriously with every man she speaks to? 174 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:29.639 Because with Travis, it was all about repression and there was, you know, there were hints, but nothing more than that. 175 00:13:29.700 --> 00:13:38.460 She was always too contemptuous of him to ever really, despite their shared fetish interest in terms of their clothing, perhaps. 176 00:13:38.519 --> 00:13:45.120 But is this like the completely the antithesis of Travis as a different type of henchman. 177 00:13:45.179 --> 00:13:45.960 I don't know. 178 00:13:46.019 --> 00:13:48.360 I doubt I don't know if that much... 179 00:13:48.419 --> 00:13:50.639 Yeah, I think of Travis continued into series C. 180 00:13:50.700 --> 00:13:54.059 I wouldn't be surprised if the relationship, you know, with a 3rd actor, perhaps. 181 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:56.399 We can only... 182 00:13:56.399 --> 00:14:01.919 Whether that relationship would have kind of become like that. 183 00:14:01.980 --> 00:14:04.200 But we do get hints of that kind of serverland before. 184 00:14:04.259 --> 00:14:10.379 Like, you know, you are the sexiest supreme commander, whatever the line is from whatever the episode is. 185 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:12.720 You know, so, so, Simon, are you talking? 186 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:13.379 We have seen that. 187 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:15.480 We have seen this side of... 188 00:14:15.480 --> 00:14:19.139 No, I'm talking about Max from... 189 00:14:19.200 --> 00:14:21.120 Carnell from Webber. 190 00:14:21.179 --> 00:14:31.860 But, you know, it is, we have seen this side of Serverland kind of seducing or allowing herself to be seduced by the thing. 191 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:35.759 Do you think, are we supposed to, is the 1979 versions of ourselves? 192 00:14:35.820 --> 00:14:38.460 Are we supposed to think that Jarvik is actually a bit of a dickhead? 193 00:14:38.460 --> 00:14:42.299 Or are we supposed to think, yeah, he's he's my kind of guy? 194 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:53.399 I think it is interesting because I wasn't sure if it was trying to lampoon both the sexist stuff or and because it's trying to, I think it's trying to say something like everyone's incompetent this episode. 195 00:14:53.460 --> 00:14:54.779 It doesn't matter. 196 00:14:54.840 --> 00:15:07.259 You know, if you're a computer, you're a softron, or well, softron is the one that saves the day, but I wasn't sure if it was just trying to just be so ridiculously over the top that it's bound to fail. 197 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:09.179 I think that's what it was trying to say. 198 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:12.000 Like this guy is always just going to fail, right? 199 00:15:12.059 --> 00:15:23.159 And it's so, and whether or not I was trying to say something about like overconfidence and macho and like who's more macho, Tarant or Jarvic or an Avon this week's going, you know what? 200 00:15:23.220 --> 00:15:25.200 I'm not doing any fucking matcho at all. 201 00:15:25.259 --> 00:15:26.820 I was going to play play with Iraq. 202 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:29.580 Avon's Villa this week, isn't he, basically? 203 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:32.700 He's off doing a little comedy side quest. 204 00:15:32.759 --> 00:15:35.460 And there's that big explo- moment where there's that big explosion. 205 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:37.379 His rock makes everything explode. 206 00:15:37.379 --> 00:15:38.940 And he just turned around and goes, sorry. 207 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:40.620 It's like... 208 00:15:40.679 --> 00:15:41.039 Sorry? 209 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:42.539 unsarcastically. 210 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:44.700 Maybe they wrote some of that for Villa. 211 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:53.340 Going back to my previous point about this being my 1st Blake 7 episode. 212 00:15:53.399 --> 00:15:56.279 This is therefore my 1st opportunity to see Avon. 213 00:15:56.340 --> 00:16:20.879 And remember, I've seen Paul Taro in time in timeline. this is actually what I think this is how I'm introduced to the Avon character and I am incredibly captivated by this kind of thing where he's just going off and doing his own thing and just everyone else is getting in his way to find out what the Sopron does and what it actually is and gradually tricking everybody else into seeing slightly greater versions of themselves and so on. 214 00:16:20.940 --> 00:16:21.960 I just love... 215 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:29.279 Simon, you must have enjoyed going back to series B and seeing Avon in that sort of secondary protagonist role to blade because that's really what he plays in this episode. 216 00:16:29.340 --> 00:16:31.019 Yeah, well, yeah. 217 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:32.100 Well, I didn't like Blake, though. 218 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:35.519 So, you know, it may have been called Blake 7, but I don't have to like the title character. 219 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:47.639 But this episode is really positioning Taron as the captain of the ship and the leader of this crew. sort of more, I think, than sort of any other episode that there is. 220 00:16:47.700 --> 00:17:08.039 So it's all about Tarrant versus Jarvik and Tarrant leading the crew and having to put up with Avon's plotting and doing things and taking Callie off the flight deck when he desperately needs her, and it's about his piloting skills and rolling the liberate, rolling the liberator. 221 00:17:08.099 --> 00:17:09.299 Oh my god, that's really cool. 222 00:17:09.420 --> 00:17:11.579 Yeah, it's trying to position him. 223 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:17.099 But to bring him back down to earth massively, you know, because he's like overconfident. 224 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:26.579 And it's like, oh, what could possibly be hidden in these, like, sheds they bought from B&Q and booted yellow that A1 has... 225 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:27.839 Wait, what do they do? 226 00:17:27.900 --> 00:17:28.680 Right? 227 00:17:28.740 --> 00:17:34.980 So this is not interesting, but it's obsessing me when they when they beam into that room, where they all are, with the wheelie thing. 228 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:39.000 Well, so Tarrant beams in first, says it's all clear. 229 00:17:39.059 --> 00:17:40.920 Then he just opens the door and everyone else walks in. 230 00:17:40.980 --> 00:17:44.819 They're on the freighter at this point, I guess. and then they just wheel the things out. 231 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:53.220 So I guess I'm trying to imagine them wheeling those things on coasters up that little jangly corridor that they've got, to the liberator, about that hose pipe. 232 00:17:53.400 --> 00:17:58.200 Which is basically, why didn't they just beam the hole all over it, but you can't... 233 00:17:58.259 --> 00:17:59.460 Why didn't they check them first? 234 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:00.480 God. 235 00:18:00.539 --> 00:18:01.920 There was a lot. 236 00:18:01.980 --> 00:18:05.220 I wrote that down and then Bloody Jarvik says at the end, did you know? 237 00:18:05.220 --> 00:18:08.759 Jarv, very briefly, while he's having his post criticises the script. 238 00:18:09.779 --> 00:18:13.740 Of course, Tarrant would be too arrogant to check what was in those boxes. 239 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:17.819 It's like, oh, yeah, you thought of that quite late in the drafting and I did that, didn't you? 240 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:19.200 Somebody added that. 241 00:18:19.259 --> 00:18:21.359 I imagine Chris Boucher added that. 242 00:18:21.420 --> 00:18:22.559 I think it's interesting. 243 00:18:22.619 --> 00:18:34.140 This episode's a bit of an aberration because of its focus on Tarrant, and I think it might be an artefact of the original character who became Tarrant, who was meant to be the captain, quote unquote. 244 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:41.339 Um, and I think was meant to be maybe um, a federation officer who you weren't sure where his loyalties lied. 245 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:46.980 And so it's weird to hear Servland talk about Tarrant is doing this and Terrence doing that. 246 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:48.420 Like, he's the leader of the group now. 247 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:48.839 Yes. 248 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:50.220 When she's never even met him. 249 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:56.279 And later on, she says they are his crew, whereas you would just automatically think that she would assume was in command now. 250 00:18:56.339 --> 00:19:04.799 Well, exactly, considering where they've been at the start of the season with the Battle of Wills between Avon and Serverland in aftermath. 251 00:19:04.859 --> 00:19:11.339 This feels very, very odd that they get that single little exchange on the flight deck and that's it. 252 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:16.859 Paul Darrow is standing at the back of the crew, which is really, really unusual. 253 00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:26.339 He's usually front and centre at this stage to sort of have him behind Tarrant and Dana is a really odd and unusual positioning. 254 00:19:26.460 --> 00:19:28.680 Have you seen his comment about the script? 255 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:30.900 They just said, yes. after filming that episode? 256 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:34.859 I decided that if they would film a script like that, I'd have a go at writing one. 257 00:19:36.180 --> 00:19:41.460 By which means it was a script which Avon, it is not an Avon episode, isn't it? 258 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:47.160 Oh, is this not infamously the episode where Jan Chappell decided she wasn't going to come back if there was going to be a 4th season? 259 00:19:47.220 --> 00:19:48.059 There's a moment. 260 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:49.140 Really? 261 00:19:49.140 --> 00:20:02.039 1st sees the Tiropan insect on location and you can just see her face and she just cannot disguise her absolute, almost disgust at having to act against this thing. 262 00:20:02.099 --> 00:20:04.920 And I think that's the moment when she falls... 263 00:20:04.980 --> 00:20:05.940 I've had enough. 264 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:06.960 I've had enough of this shit. 265 00:20:07.019 --> 00:20:07.859 I can't do this. 266 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:23.099 It's like that Early Simpsons episode where is it Ralph Wiggam gets the that gets the Valentine's card or doesn't get a Valentine's card and you see his heartbreak and his face would go down. needed the freeze frame on Chan Chapel, and there's the moment she decided to leave. 267 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:23.460 Yeah. 268 00:20:23.460 --> 00:20:34.440 But isn't but isn't the carapan thing so cute when it kind of bends over and sort of eats the little piece of carapan that Dana's thrown at the foetus, sort of goes... 269 00:20:34.500 --> 00:20:35.700 Yes, a little munchy. 270 00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:40.799 And it's just the way it wobbles off on location and wobbles off to its nest. 271 00:20:40.859 --> 00:20:45.420 It's lovely, but you can understand the... 272 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:46.440 Yeah. 273 00:20:46.500 --> 00:20:49.799 Well, Dana has to stand there screaming because she's got a bit of cobweb on her foot. 274 00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:50.759 And it's like... 275 00:20:50.759 --> 00:20:53.400 Someone, baby, it's 10 feet away from me. 276 00:20:53.460 --> 00:20:57.000 And he just runs up to her and grabs hold her and just moves so 2 feet to the left. 277 00:20:57.180 --> 00:20:58.619 Thank you. 278 00:20:58.680 --> 00:21:00.960 Yeah, it's not good episode for female characters. 279 00:21:07.019 --> 00:21:16.380 But, Peter, going back to your previous point about saying with Tarrant and so on like that, where the script comes from, being another captain, it's not that this was left over from the previous season and like that's supposed to be Blake. 280 00:21:16.440 --> 00:21:21.420 And so Serverlaves just Blake and they've just literally replaced Blake with Tarrant. 281 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:35.279 I mean, it's very possible because we said during Volcano that Servland's commander in that, Maury is clearly meant to be Travis and is reacting as Travis and speaking to her in a way that none of her underlings except Travis have ever spoken to her. 282 00:21:35.339 --> 00:21:37.980 So yeah, it absolutely could be a relic of that. 283 00:21:38.940 --> 00:21:48.539 I don't know if it's probably already been covered, but in previous episodes, but that Stephen Pacey is a lot younger than the people, everyone else they were looking at to play Tarrant. 284 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:50.160 Like he's only 22. 285 00:21:50.339 --> 00:21:52.200 And so I think... 286 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:53.160 Yeah. 287 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:53.700 Yeah, yeah. 288 00:21:54.539 --> 00:22:05.640 Some, yeah, the script was written with him and Jarvik having been old schoolmates, or, you know, that's how it's sort of talked about, but as Java, it's 10 years older than him, at least. 289 00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:12.960 At least When I 1st saw this on video in the 90s, I just thought they've obviously just gone through the script and crossed out Blake and put in Tarrant. 290 00:22:13.019 --> 00:22:23.099 I didn't realise that it had this other period of its development where it would have been a different sort of older character who was more captain-y in his aspect, which makes a lot of that make a lot more sense. 291 00:22:23.220 --> 00:22:34.920 But it can also be that sort of thing where it's just lazy, like they've just decided that Taryn's going to be the captain and so that's just how the script's written and the fact that there's been no episode yet where Serverland is bet Tarrant kind of doesn't matter. 292 00:22:34.980 --> 00:22:37.559 I mean, that's kind of the way television worked back then. 293 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:39.420 And that's certainly the way I was watching it. 294 00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:44.039 I mean, having seen this first, but then seeing it subsequently in the broader context. 295 00:22:44.099 --> 00:22:45.900 It didn't seem to really bother me. 296 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:48.839 I just thought, oh, well that's just the definition of how things are. 297 00:22:48.900 --> 00:22:59.579 It's weird because I think there's a missed opportunity there because one of the problematic things about the episode is that it weirdly pitches Servlan as buttoned up and rigid. 298 00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:05.099 Like, she's lost her practicality and her perspective through command, which we haven't really seen before. 299 00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:12.000 And I think it might have been interrogated better with the relationship between Jarvik and Tarrant like that. 300 00:23:12.059 --> 00:23:22.380 So you're looking at the point of difference being that Tarrant had become reliant too much on computers rather this instinct and that, and would learn the lesson by the end of the episode to rely on his instincts more. 301 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:25.680 That seems like a more natural interrogation of that. 302 00:23:25.740 --> 00:23:26.819 Yeah, yeah. 303 00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:36.480 There's one thing I really, really like about this episode, and it's just kind of dawned on me, is that the soft run thing is quite clever. 304 00:23:36.539 --> 00:23:54.180 That it's defence mechanism as a life form, is making anyone around it think that it's more powerful than it is, like Aurak and the liberator crew when they think it's like Herculaneum and, you know, go faster stripes and everything. 305 00:23:54.240 --> 00:24:09.599 I think there's some good ideas in there here and there, but it's just so, it's just so off-putting with just like how lame Jarvik's death is and like all these surplus labourers are just hanging around in a grass field. 306 00:24:10.980 --> 00:24:12.900 Yeah, I know what you mean. 307 00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:17.339 And the rock, Avon's pet rock could have been much bigger. 308 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:19.380 It's nice and subtle. 309 00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:20.519 Yeah, that's the thing. 310 00:24:20.579 --> 00:24:29.400 I guess they backgrounded it deliberately, so you weren't sat there thinking all the way through, oh, I bet he's going to do something with that at the end because they're trying to distract you from the fact that he obviously is. 311 00:24:29.460 --> 00:24:30.960 Otherwise, why would it be there? 312 00:24:31.019 --> 00:24:39.359 But a nice bit of dystopian dread feeling of those guys being left behind, you know, Survil and giving the order to abandon them all because they're heavier. 313 00:24:39.420 --> 00:24:41.519 It's just a foreshadowing of a... 314 00:24:41.579 --> 00:24:48.480 Yeah, that just started closing the coal mines at that point because it feels like it feels like... 315 00:24:48.539 --> 00:24:50.279 What year is it? 316 00:24:50.279 --> 00:24:55.140 This is 1980, so it's still quite early in her reign of terror. 317 00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:55.680 Yeah, yeah. 318 00:24:55.740 --> 00:24:57.299 The guard who gets his comeuppance. 319 00:24:57.420 --> 00:25:03.180 It's clever because you really, the guard who's gloating at them and then gets left behind, sort of get, I don't know. 320 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:06.000 It's like at least at least one of the people who had a horrible death actually deserved it. 321 00:25:07.259 --> 00:25:10.859 I wish Dana had shot Jarvik, though. 322 00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:14.339 I think it's pathetic with the guard, just going, 0 shit, it went off in my house. 323 00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:15.420 Yes, you know? 324 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:19.559 It's like David should have had so it's like, I am sick of this. 325 00:25:19.619 --> 00:25:23.579 This guy's been pissing me off for the last 20 minutes, you know, of this episode. 326 00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:25.559 I'm going to shoot him in the head or something. 327 00:25:25.619 --> 00:25:27.900 But it just seems like such a lame... 328 00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:28.799 No, no agency. 329 00:25:28.859 --> 00:25:49.619 That's where it just, you know, all the campus does wear a bit thin when you're like, as a defence of it, because it is, they're just seems they just couldn't continents having the girl kill the big man, so he had to get shot by accident by another man instead, that actually would have been a much more fitting ending to it and would have done a bit of subversion of all the stuff that they've gone through. 330 00:25:50.339 --> 00:25:53.940 Or even if Survland had just turned around and slapped him to death, I would have been up for that. 331 00:25:57.240 --> 00:26:00.539 Grab that rock and smack it around the edge with it. 332 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:02.460 Now that would be a fitting. 333 00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:08.880 I don't think this is a scriptwriter who's got any kind of subversive ideas in his head at all. 334 00:26:08.940 --> 00:26:12.960 So this wouldn't have occurred to him to have Dana kill him. 335 00:26:13.019 --> 00:26:14.880 It would be just an accident like that. 336 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:18.599 He thinks he's created a new Tarzan sort of character, doesn't he? 337 00:26:18.660 --> 00:26:20.039 Oh, I thought you were going to say Target book. 338 00:26:29.099 --> 00:26:33.960 I mean, how fabulous is it, though, to have Servoland on the Liberator for the very 1st time? 339 00:26:34.019 --> 00:26:35.700 Yeah, it's easy to forget. 340 00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:36.299 Yeah. 341 00:26:36.299 --> 00:26:36.960 Yeah. 342 00:26:37.019 --> 00:26:38.759 And commenting on teleporting. 343 00:26:38.819 --> 00:26:40.740 Would she say something like, not unpleasant way to travel? 344 00:26:40.859 --> 00:26:47.700 I mean, those scenes with her outwitting the crew, I think, are series high points where she outwits them with Zen. 345 00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:49.019 It's amazing. 346 00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:55.740 And we talk about Ben Steed and how he's obviously a man's man, but how does a man's man write dialogue this camp? 347 00:26:55.799 --> 00:27:02.099 Servant teleports aboard and the 1st thing she says to Kelly is, ah, Kelly, how lovely to see you again. 348 00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:06.359 It's on the scale. 349 00:27:06.420 --> 00:27:07.259 It is. 350 00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:24.900 This also this episode also has an interesting place in Blake 7 history as being the episode that was the 1st to inspire what science fiction erotica connoisseurs refer to as slash fiction to be published about Blake 7, just a few weeks after this episode was broadcast. 351 00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:36.420 A fanzine published a story called License, which went in in a very, apparently, non-explicit way, but nevertheless made it clear. 352 00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:46.920 The backstory of Jarvik and the young cadet who stole his heart, Dell Tarrant, and that it wrote, it wrote. 353 00:27:46.980 --> 00:27:49.740 Oh, I wish everybody's faces could be screen caps. 354 00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:50.940 Okay, we are recording. 355 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:51.660 Yeah. 356 00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:57.180 I'll share a link to it. there on the internet behind lots of content warnings, but then you get to it and it actually says non-explicit. 357 00:27:57.240 --> 00:27:58.200 Non-explicit. 358 00:27:58.259 --> 00:28:03.720 But yeah, the 1st Blake 7 slash fiction to be written was about those two. 359 00:28:03.779 --> 00:28:06.839 And apparently, Tarrant turned him against men forever. 360 00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:10.559 I mean, you know, if I do for the moment that he is. 361 00:28:10.619 --> 00:28:11.279 I don't know. 362 00:28:11.339 --> 00:28:12.660 I haven't actually time to read it. 363 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.240 I think this is a very different kind of content. 364 00:28:15.299 --> 00:28:18.779 I might have bought us if it was Jarvik and Captain Shadd. 365 00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:19.680 Hello, sir. 366 00:28:25.619 --> 00:28:29.819 We want to read your, we want you to write that fanfic now. 367 00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:37.500 Benches of space, captain. 50 shades of great note. 368 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:39.240 Carry on, Captain Shad. 369 00:28:39.299 --> 00:28:39.660 Sorry. 370 00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:44.519 I do think that the heist elements in this are really well done. 371 00:28:44.579 --> 00:28:48.900 Each side's plotting and counterplotting and backup plans. 372 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:50.220 It's very entertaining. 373 00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:53.400 And I think that moment, there is a lot going on. 374 00:28:53.460 --> 00:28:56.039 And there's a lot of things that should actually be quite consequential. 375 00:28:56.099 --> 00:29:10.500 It's not as consequential as it should be with Serve Land 1st getting our hands on the liberation and that because like we said from voice from the past last year, the tone is very slightly misplaced in its campness for the gravity of the events that's going on. 376 00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:18.900 But having said that, that moment where the chiropan cylinders open up and the guards come out and you just see the liberator moving off into space is terribly gripping. 377 00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:22.140 And it's quite interesting that we don't actually see the crew being overpowered. 378 00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:23.819 It just happened between scenes. 379 00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:30.299 Yeah, and I think Joe Blake is very good with some economical things in this directing, like when we never see the shuttle on the ground. 380 00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:36.059 We see the shot from behind the ladder of the cast climbing up the crew climbing aboard it. 381 00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:40.559 He's got some tricks of the trade there and allows some things to be done off screen to save money, I guess. 382 00:29:40.619 --> 00:29:41.039 Yeah. 383 00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:49.920 But that's very, it's very refreshing because quite often you'll get some awful crappy spaceship taken off from a model sort of thing. 384 00:29:49.980 --> 00:29:54.180 And we avoid all that by just, as you say, shooting it from the other way. 385 00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:58.980 And yes, it does look a bit bizarre because we do just get this green field with this very wobbly fence in it. 386 00:29:58.980 --> 00:30:04.980 And there's, there's nothing much beyond that, but it's kind of the equivalent of them saying, there are 1000s of them out there. 387 00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:06.059 It's the same kind of principle. 388 00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:08.819 We don't need to see a rubbish creation of that. 389 00:30:08.819 --> 00:30:11.039 And so we don't get we don't get a crappy fight scene. 390 00:30:11.099 --> 00:30:14.279 We don't get a crappy fight scene where they're being overpowered and liberated. towards the end of the episode. 391 00:30:14.339 --> 00:30:15.900 We will get that. 392 00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:19.680 The thing lifting off Chiros and floating through space. 393 00:30:19.740 --> 00:30:20.640 So we do get that as well. 394 00:30:23.700 --> 00:30:49.259 One of the things that I found interesting in this episode, and it's not something I'd picked up on before, is when Tarrance says there is no federation anymore, is there something that I've missed or something that is just a scripture problem, maybe it's an early draft of an early idea for the season, but this is something that have I have I missed something? 395 00:30:49.319 --> 00:31:06.420 Or is it just Serverland is trying to get all her power back and every week she's using up her guard captains who then get killed off and she's trying desperately to put the empire together and then manages this by rumours of death when she's obviously completely back in control. 396 00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:12.119 I mean, you get the impression that the Federation from series A and series B no longer exists. 397 00:31:12.180 --> 00:31:15.359 It's now kind of serverland's personal fifedom. 398 00:31:15.420 --> 00:31:24.299 And so she spends a lot of series C with things like children of our on thinking, you know, if we're going to get back on our feet, we have to have these planets which were neutral before. 399 00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:31.799 But it's not really until series D when they have the Pylene 50 program, sorry, spoilers, that it actually starts to expand and become a federation again. 400 00:31:31.859 --> 00:31:33.539 Yeah, that's a good point. 401 00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:44.460 And we've lost references we often used to get to her saying things like, you know, as I have argued for years and there's this stuff in the past, she's had this bureaucracy to deal with that she was concerned about and we're not getting that anymore, are we? 402 00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:50.700 That little Apollo space capsule. bigger on the inside, isn't it? 403 00:31:51.420 --> 00:31:52.920 It is. 404 00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:56.700 Seating for 5 just in case there might be 5 people. 405 00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:00.299 I love the idea that they'd find something from the preinterstellar age. 406 00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:05.160 And there's a nice call back in there where they just turn to Villa and say, yeah, open the roof. 407 00:32:05.220 --> 00:32:08.880 You're good at opening things because he did that a few in Countown. 408 00:32:08.940 --> 00:32:10.500 That's the one, yeah. 409 00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:12.779 Nice little touch for him. don't need to go into that. 410 00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:14.099 He's just dealt with that offscreen. 411 00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:18.299 We not actually going to build a hatch in the roof of this abandoned military pace in hot. 412 00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:19.920 Of course it was bigger on the inside. 413 00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:21.000 Weren't you paying attention? 414 00:32:21.059 --> 00:32:22.980 It's bigger and more powerful than the liberator. 415 00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:27.599 Oh, of course, that merely my perception. 416 00:32:28.619 --> 00:32:37.859 I imagine that in the script they might have hoped to have an image of the magnificent ship appearing on in Silverland's mind's eye on the screen. 417 00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:41.279 Although surely what's being shown on the screen is what Zen thinks it is. 418 00:32:41.339 --> 00:32:42.720 That's where you get layers, isn't it? 419 00:32:42.779 --> 00:32:47.460 No, that's just the visual image, which is contrary to 37, the other 37 scanner. 420 00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:48.299 That's addressed, isn't it? 421 00:32:48.420 --> 00:32:49.440 Yeah, it is addressed. 422 00:32:53.579 --> 00:32:55.859 Could Jarvik have stayed? 423 00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:57.960 Could you have become a recurring character through this season? 424 00:32:58.019 --> 00:32:58.680 Oh, God. 425 00:32:58.740 --> 00:33:01.559 No, that would have been terrible. 426 00:33:01.619 --> 00:33:09.180 Every week we'd have had to stop for a bit of a tournament between him and Tarrant sort of facing off against each other. 427 00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:11.940 It's, yeah, it doesn't bear thinking about, really, does it? 428 00:33:12.539 --> 00:33:15.119 And also, he's just a terrible... 429 00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:21.119 Well, the writer of that class fiction would have enjoyed it, but I think it would have got a bit tiresome for everyone. 430 00:33:21.180 --> 00:33:22.740 He's also just a terribly boring character. 431 00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:27.359 There's nowhere to go with him because he's just a man and he doesn't trust technology. okay? 432 00:33:27.420 --> 00:33:28.019 We get it. 433 00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:30.839 Yeah, he hasn't got a sense of humour. 434 00:33:30.900 --> 00:33:36.059 He hasn't got very much to him at all other than he doesn't trust technology. 435 00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:41.700 He likes men and likes fighting and probably likes a... 436 00:33:41.700 --> 00:33:43.019 He likes a company of men. 437 00:33:43.019 --> 00:33:45.299 He probably likes... 438 00:33:45.299 --> 00:33:45.539 Yeah. 439 00:33:45.539 --> 00:33:52.980 Probably likes a good ale of an evening, like a real beer because that's a man street. 440 00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:54.900 Space Nigel Ferrage. 441 00:33:54.960 --> 00:34:01.859 But he does get the last laugh, though, because he is trying to say to Serverland, don't trust all this computer crap. 442 00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:05.339 You can see that it's just, you know, the Apollo 11's spacecraft. 443 00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:10.619 You don't need to, you know, what are you doing, you stupid cow. 444 00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:15.420 And so I suppose that the moral of the, there is a sort of a moral of the story there, I guess. 445 00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:17.099 Yeah, and maybe that's coming true. 446 00:34:18.420 --> 00:34:19.260 Trust your own art. 447 00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:27.059 This is coming true now when we're in this world where artificial intelligence is going to destroy the truth completely within a couple of years, you know? 448 00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:37.079 All 5 of us, extravagant, you were extravagantly disposed to using 5 podcasters, will be replaced by 5 AI podcasters. 449 00:34:37.139 --> 00:34:39.000 I've already been replaced. 450 00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:41.579 Or have you? 451 00:34:41.699 --> 00:34:45.360 The thing about Jarvik is, he does win. 452 00:34:45.420 --> 00:34:51.480 He gets the liberator and very few other people have actually managed to take over the liberator. 453 00:34:51.539 --> 00:34:56.880 Only Travis when he's dressed as Siobhan, which I know I shouldn't ever bring up ever again. 454 00:34:57.420 --> 00:34:59.519 Stop, stop, stop. 455 00:34:59.579 --> 00:34:59.940 Yeah. 456 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.280 But you know, he wins that. 457 00:35:02.340 --> 00:35:08.699 And he is, as you said, he is absolutely right with Serverland saying, no, don't believe this. 458 00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:10.500 This is absolute nonsense. 459 00:35:10.619 --> 00:35:13.619 Since you did bring up Travis, can I just say? 460 00:35:13.619 --> 00:35:17.820 How has Serverland heard of Zen's impudence? 461 00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:18.719 Who from? 462 00:35:18.780 --> 00:35:23.880 I think Travis must have given her a debrief from his time aboard, is she done? 463 00:35:23.940 --> 00:35:27.119 He said, oh, that flight computer is so impudent server land. 464 00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:35.699 I took offence at how rude Tarrant is being to Zen at the start of this. 465 00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:49.800 I think it is, I guess it's meant to parallel, well, it does parallel, Jarvik being rude to Servoland, but like every time Zen says something, Taryn's like, yes, well, I do that, or, yes, just as I, just as I thought, after Zen gives him some information, it's like, no, you didn't. 466 00:35:49.980 --> 00:35:55.800 Yeah, I didn't want to, I did not want to Tarrant at this point. 467 00:35:55.860 --> 00:35:57.480 I think he just comes across as really smart. 468 00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:02.820 Yeah, and then you've got Dana standing next to him saying, oh, you are brilliant. aren't you, Tarrant? 469 00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:03.960 Aren't you so brilliant? 470 00:36:04.019 --> 00:36:04.380 Look at this. 471 00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:04.980 You done this. 472 00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:05.340 Wow. 473 00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:07.500 It's like she's just amazed. 474 00:36:07.980 --> 00:36:08.219 Yeah. 475 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:09.960 To be in his presence, even. 476 00:36:10.019 --> 00:36:12.599 He still teleports down like Spider-Man, though. 477 00:36:12.659 --> 00:36:13.079 What dick? 478 00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:20.579 This is a question we'll come back to sort of through this season. 479 00:36:20.579 --> 00:36:21.900 Is Tarrant a pig? 480 00:36:22.019 --> 00:36:23.940 No, he's not. 481 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:26.820 Has he done much too much, much too young? 482 00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:29.519 Because if he has, that's the UK's number one for me this week. 483 00:36:29.579 --> 00:36:30.659 Oh, you'll be playing it. 484 00:36:30.659 --> 00:36:32.340 Excellent. 485 00:36:32.340 --> 00:36:34.800 Even if we decide that Terrence's not a dick. 486 00:36:34.860 --> 00:36:36.960 He has a dick and we know this because he is a man. 487 00:36:38.699 --> 00:36:41.460 Well, okay, let's not go. 488 00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:48.659 The camel toe incident on the location footage is not something that the family podcast needs to go into, would you? 489 00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:49.920 I've seen it have not. 490 00:36:49.980 --> 00:36:51.420 This has never been a family podcast. 491 00:36:54.480 --> 00:37:05.219 I think the problem with Charon is that he's just inconsistently written throughout this particular season, and that's that's the main reason, and you're right, I don't really like him in this, and I don't really like him in City at the Edge of the World either. 492 00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:07.679 But then later I do an earlier I do. 493 00:37:07.739 --> 00:37:12.900 So it's just inconsistent writing because it's being written by people who haven't seen the character act yet. 494 00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:13.920 The actor action. 495 00:37:13.980 --> 00:37:21.599 Does Jacqueline Pierce ever commented on this episode, particularly, whether I know she often just says she has no memory of any of it. 496 00:37:21.659 --> 00:37:26.340 It's quite hard to get precise quotes from her about anything. 497 00:37:26.340 --> 00:37:46.019 I don't know if she ever did, whether she might have enjoyed just having something so different to play to what she usually had to play or whether she felt, you know, that it was putting her character in its place and teaching teaching her a lesson rather than giving her a little bit of extra dramatic territory to go into. 498 00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:53.280 But yeah, I'm stretching there to try and analyse something that is really just a writer who wants to write Tarzan. 499 00:37:53.340 --> 00:37:57.480 That's the way I've come to pass. 500 00:37:57.539 --> 00:38:01.920 It is one of those weird things that even though I don't think it's a good episode for Serverland. 501 00:38:01.980 --> 00:38:04.980 I don't think that what it does to her character is that great. 502 00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:08.940 Perversely, she has some of her finest moments in this episode. 503 00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:10.920 I mean, I think it's a great episode for her. 504 00:38:10.980 --> 00:38:15.059 It's some of the some of the utmost iconic server land... 505 00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:23.400 And no one can sip blue milk through a bendy straw quite as seductively as she manages to go. 506 00:38:23.460 --> 00:38:25.320 Which is a real talent. 507 00:38:25.380 --> 00:38:41.340 She did one of her most flamboyant ever photo shoots in the costume from this episode, and there are a number of amazing photos of her posing in this costume, sort of on a big blue background, and she does look amazing. 508 00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:44.820 It's like, I have get the feeling she really enjoyed this one. 509 00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:50.099 There's the way that she walks onto the bridge of the Liberator. 510 00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:51.719 It's pure catwalk. 511 00:38:51.900 --> 00:38:54.719 She triumph comes down that staircase. 512 00:38:54.780 --> 00:38:55.380 Yeah. 513 00:38:55.500 --> 00:38:57.539 Yeah, she's coming down those steps in our heel. 514 00:38:57.599 --> 00:38:58.739 She had no other option. 515 00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:04.260 That's true, yes. boy, that's not a stylistic choice, is it? 516 00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:06.659 How the hell do I get down at staircase? 517 00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:14.219 I think the problem is that even though Servland actually, as we said earlier, doesn't cede her authority in this episode and remains in command. 518 00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:15.480 There's 2 things. 519 00:39:15.539 --> 00:39:28.079 There's one, it's problematic through a modern lens that Jarvik grabs her and kisses her without her permission, um, and it turns out that women supposedly like that, judging by her reaction to the company. 520 00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:31.079 That is absolutely... 521 00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:33.300 And that's what the message of this episode is. 522 00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:47.400 But also, I think on another level, it places Servland as being the irrational woman, quote unquote, who won't believe the evidence of her own eyes versus the rationality of hard-working salt of the earth Jarvik. 523 00:39:47.460 --> 00:39:49.079 And that just doesn't really sit that well. 524 00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:51.719 No, that's not the person that we've known. 525 00:39:51.780 --> 00:39:54.840 I don't think that's a masculine versus feminine thing. 526 00:39:54.900 --> 00:40:04.139 I think that's just a someone who surrounds themselves with technology versus someone who wants to surround themselves with like the natural world, however, that's defined. 527 00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:05.219 Yes, absolutely. 528 00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:11.579 I think that's what he is, which is why I said earlier that I think this particular plot might have been better played out with Java and Tarrant. 529 00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:12.360 Yeah. 530 00:40:12.420 --> 00:40:20.099 Just with the unrequested kiss that Jarvik gives Servoland and that she subsequently decides, you know, she really enjoyed and she'd like to do it again. 531 00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:24.840 You have to remember that decades after this is made. 532 00:40:24.900 --> 00:40:34.260 This isn't something that was then suddenly terribly problematic like a couple of years after, 10 years after, even 20 years after, because 20 plus years after this is made. 533 00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:46.139 When Adrian Brody wins the best actor, Oscar and Halle, presented by Halle Berry, he goes up to the stage and basically dips her and gives her this massive kiss. 534 00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:50.400 Now, which she on the lips for an extended period of time. 535 00:40:50.460 --> 00:40:54.420 Now that's, I don't know what year that is. 2001 or 2 or something, something like that. 536 00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:59.219 Either way, it's more than 20 years ago now, but it's also more than 20 years since then. 537 00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:01.320 And that was just seen as something that was acceptable and fun. 538 00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:15.179 Because the following year, Adrian Brody, when he's then presenting the next year's best actress, Oscar, he then, before he says, and the winner is, he then gets a little mouth freshener thing and goes in his mouth as if he's about to kiss the winner of the best actress. 539 00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:20.280 This is something that was just considered normal and funny this century. you know what I mean? 540 00:41:20.340 --> 00:41:23.519 So that's why I think we can get carried away. 541 00:41:23.579 --> 00:41:24.840 A bit. 542 00:41:24.900 --> 00:41:27.480 No, I think this would have got criticism in 1980, though. 543 00:41:27.539 --> 00:41:30.000 There would be, you're right, people were still getting away with it. 544 00:41:30.179 --> 00:41:32.400 But just, yeah, I know what you mean, though. 545 00:41:32.460 --> 00:41:34.079 Yeah, but people would still get away with it. 546 00:41:34.139 --> 00:41:36.360 The tide has not yet turned. 547 00:41:36.420 --> 00:41:37.500 Yeah, but there was certainly. 548 00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:46.139 But it's also interesting what you say there, Pete, about criticism from the time because this was the episode that Clive James infamously reviewed. 549 00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:51.719 And he absolutely lambasts it as worthless. 550 00:41:51.780 --> 00:41:57.360 Everything except for the fact that it has a quote unquote statuesque knockout in it. 551 00:41:57.420 --> 00:42:01.980 And so the only thing that he's concerned with is the fact that Servaland is sexy. 552 00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:08.699 And Clive James, who you think would be a more erudite commentator on things, has no words about the gender politics. 553 00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:11.159 So clearly it is seen as pretty normalised. 554 00:42:11.219 --> 00:42:12.360 Exactly. 555 00:42:12.420 --> 00:42:22.980 It's just, it's just like, I mean, there were, there were, yes, Prime Minister. minister episodes about where there's kind of a sort of a, not anti-feminist per se, but where there's kind of they're taking the Mickey out of the feminist character. 556 00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:27.719 And it's, it's, it's just the, quite a typical storyline of that era. 557 00:42:27.780 --> 00:42:42.840 And I, as you were saying before, Peter, about the sort of the campness of the script, it just, it just sort of, it almost doesn't go together that you've got this, this, this man's man saying that, you know, men are this and and I'm going to kiss you because I, because you woman, you are beautiful. 558 00:42:42.900 --> 00:42:47.400 And then overlay all that with all this kind of bizarre camp dialogue. 559 00:42:47.460 --> 00:42:49.500 It's an interesting toxic position. 560 00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:49.980 Yeah. 561 00:42:49.980 --> 00:43:01.500 And it's the kind of thing you'd get in Barbara Cartland books, which I do from very small, a very small insight into that world because I once bought a huge box of them for a pound and I gave them to all my mates at Valentine's Day. 562 00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:02.579 For several years. 563 00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:06.659 For several years, I gave them to all my friends at Valentine's Day and never told them who they were from. 564 00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:09.719 Oh, it's coming out amazing again. 565 00:43:09.780 --> 00:43:15.420 Are they full of women being kind of just, you know, spontaneously kissed by some allegedly... 566 00:43:15.420 --> 00:43:18.179 They wanted to be... completely... 567 00:43:18.179 --> 00:43:19.320 Ravaged... 568 00:43:19.380 --> 00:43:22.139 Simon, do you remember the lyrics of that fascination? 569 00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:28.380 song where they talk about historical romances and they said there's women being ravaged and it's always furtive. 570 00:43:32.940 --> 00:43:34.440 Yeah. 571 00:43:34.500 --> 00:43:35.639 It was like the Benny Hill. 572 00:43:35.699 --> 00:43:40.079 I mean, you know, Benny Hill doing all those kind of, you know, titty tits and bums sort of thing, you know. 573 00:43:40.139 --> 00:43:47.519 And basically women just being casually groped in all of these programs and it's funny that they are, you know? 574 00:43:47.579 --> 00:43:57.059 And in fact, you even hear, you even hear stories about the actors making fun of the women and groping them and flashing them and all that kind of the rest of it, you know, as part of the, that was just normal. 575 00:43:57.119 --> 00:43:57.719 It was terrible. 576 00:43:57.780 --> 00:43:59.639 It's nasty. 577 00:43:59.699 --> 00:44:08.099 It isn't like the treatment of women that we get in Moloch later in the series by Ben, again, by Ben. 578 00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:09.539 And it's just gnawing up. 579 00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:10.860 It is a bit, which is vicious. 580 00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:12.659 This one at least is played for fun. 581 00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:25.860 Whereas there's a real sinister undertone, I think, in Moloch, and again, in power in series D, about that he is making about the position of women and what they're for. 582 00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:37.679 This one at least has Serverland standing up for herself and not taking it until she is ready to take it and she's got some power and some agency. 583 00:44:37.739 --> 00:44:47.940 Yes, whereas characters like Chesil in Moloch have nothing, nothing at all other than a tight denim catsuits. 584 00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:50.519 Yeah, and the opportunity to be given to their men. 585 00:44:50.579 --> 00:44:50.880 Yeah. 586 00:44:50.940 --> 00:44:52.260 Yeah, exactly. 587 00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:58.920 So, you know, he gets worse, I think, which is a big problem. 588 00:44:59.340 --> 00:45:02.039 As Pete said, this is just him warming up. 589 00:45:02.219 --> 00:45:05.400 Yeah, it's like the opposite of the trial of a time lord. 590 00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:07.739 Is your defence? 591 00:45:07.739 --> 00:45:08.579 Did you improve? 592 00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:10.619 No, my defence is it gets much, much worse in the future. 593 00:45:11.699 --> 00:45:15.239 The women are not helpless in this episode. 594 00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:26.460 They're not, I mean, Callie and Dana are not particularly well written, but they do have some agency, and I think this is lost in his later scripts. 595 00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:29.099 I wonder how much of that is also the way it's performed as well. 596 00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:30.300 I wonder. 597 00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:34.440 And there's just no room for that in those other those later 2 scripts too. 598 00:45:34.500 --> 00:45:35.340 Could be. 599 00:45:35.340 --> 00:45:36.119 Or either. 600 00:45:36.179 --> 00:45:39.119 No, I was just going to say, I mean, I mostly agree with what Si is saying there. 601 00:45:39.179 --> 00:45:46.679 And I think because this is so cant, this episode, there is also room for that redemptive reading of the fact that this is a piss take of masculinity. 602 00:45:46.739 --> 00:45:58.500 But actually, the thing that I find the most difficult to take about this episode, regardless of the gender politics, that, you can make that, it's a legacy of the time, it doesn't particularly affect my enjoyment of the episode. 603 00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:04.559 I think there's several moments where the female characters are roughly manhandled, and I don't like to see that. 604 00:46:04.739 --> 00:46:14.340 So Jarvik picks up Servland, throws her onto the, let's say, bed, and then grips her by the throat before telling her to shut up, which is not pleasant at all. 605 00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:28.199 And there are other moments, like when Tarrant goes to find Callie in the quarters with Avon, and he physically pulls her away from Avon and pushes her out the door and, you know, the less said about Dana versus Johann, the best. 606 00:46:28.860 --> 00:46:47.280 But yeah, and I think that moment with Callie could be on the liberator could be as much of it. everyone, right, obviously there's the moment where she's confronted with the prop, but I think in terms of her character, if I'd been on a show for that, you know, nearly 3 years and you're now just the woman who gets shoved aside so that 2 men can have an argument, who wants that for a career? 607 00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:52.139 Yeah, I find that much more difficult to watch than kind of the idea of the gender politics. 608 00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:59.340 And the over the shoulder bit. is deliberately take it into absolute fast by doing that sort of caveman move. 609 00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:12.300 It's almost like I think he's trying to be a parody, even if the script isn't actually necessarily telling him to, and the scriptwriter's later work indicates that he's quite sincere, that that is what he thinks real men ought to be like. 610 00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:26.820 But I think you've got, and sometimes that can make things the output that you end up with more interesting when you have got a script pulling in one direction and then either the actors or the director trying to either compensate for it or put their own spin on it and I don't know if I'm reading too much into it. 611 00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:31.920 But that over the shoulder moment was like something from a Captain Caveman cartoon. 612 00:47:31.980 --> 00:47:40.079 It is, but then it's followed by the most horrible bit, which is his hand on her throat, which is, again, did they even think about it? 613 00:47:40.139 --> 00:47:42.300 Did they just say that's what it says in the script, let's do it. 614 00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:45.239 Or did they try to put some layers into it? 615 00:47:45.300 --> 00:47:47.699 It's hard to dissect. 616 00:47:47.820 --> 00:47:49.679 I mean, are they still doing that thing? 617 00:47:49.739 --> 00:48:00.179 Yeah, are they still do they do that thing like the way Doctor Who was shot, where you have, you know, a week at acting or whatever the hell it is, rehearsing it all, and then they go into the studio on Friday night and do it. 618 00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:02.579 So those are the sorts of things that are... 619 00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:12.000 I mean, look, maybe that's the sort of thing that's developed in the rehearsal room and then, or maybe it's just the kind of thing that when they actually get on the set, in the studio and there's this couch there and he goes, oh, I could do this. 620 00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:15.599 And we do that during the camera rehearsal and that kind of sticks. 621 00:48:15.659 --> 00:48:28.199 It'd be interesting to know the origin of that because if it has been built up and developed over the course of that week to be then filmed on the Friday night or whatever it is, it is odd that no one has thought that there's anything wrong with that. 622 00:48:28.260 --> 00:48:39.719 But as I said before, it's so hard to apply our current knowledge of what is appropriate behaviour to stuff like that that just appears. 623 00:48:39.780 --> 00:48:43.739 It's just that's just littered throughout television and film of this era and before. 624 00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:44.400 And since. 625 00:48:44.460 --> 00:48:55.559 It's, it's, it's, it's, it's an interesting, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, a lot more about this episode, which I really do like. 626 00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:57.000 Oh, no, you can't. 627 00:48:57.059 --> 00:48:59.519 I don't think you can use you can say that... 628 00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:03.960 No, no, I'm not saying that, but I'm saying that some people... 629 00:49:04.019 --> 00:49:10.860 I think they're more worried about other things than her being picked up and thrown onto the sofa, isn't, aren't they? 630 00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:18.719 Like the other the other elements you're sort of saying you don't mind so much, the woman you are beautiful, et cetera. 631 00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:20.099 Or just the crap monster. 632 00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:21.119 It's one or two. 633 00:49:21.179 --> 00:49:22.559 Is it a crap monster? 634 00:49:22.619 --> 00:49:24.780 Oh, well, that's a that's a whole different reason. 635 00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:25.800 That's a whole different reason. 636 00:49:25.860 --> 00:49:31.380 We're talking about the problematic. genre category. 637 00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:33.539 So is there anything we've missed? 638 00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:38.880 I was just going to say one more thing about the Jarvik juxtaposing him with Avon. 639 00:49:38.940 --> 00:49:44.460 He is, especially with Avon carrying on about the Sopron and all that sort of stuff and being the computer guy. 640 00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:47.579 Jarvik is the anti-Avon. 641 00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:49.380 And Avon is our hero. 642 00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:53.519 So I don't think that's just, for me, the interesting juxtaposician. 643 00:49:53.579 --> 00:50:04.860 I would never, even if I'd have seen this, you know, when I was a kid, I would never have identified with the Jarvik character, I would always have identified, and I wouldn't have identified with Tarant either, actually, I'd have always identified with either Avon or Villa. 644 00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:12.539 Okay, it's Avon that tells Tarrant to kind of, oh, shut up when he's about to sort of eulogise Jarvik. 645 00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:14.820 It's like, oh, you know, we just had enough of this kind of guy. 646 00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:24.480 Yeah, and Avon and Avon gets that moment bursting in when they're all being overwhelmed by the guards the 1st time when they're, uh... 647 00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:27.059 So it was inevitable... little moment. 648 00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:34.260 Yes, the script doesn't forget that however clever Tarrant and Java are meant to be in the Battle of Wits, Avon is still cleverer than both of them. 649 00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:40.320 Yeah, he's just got something more interesting to do this week as far as he's concerned with his rock. 650 00:50:40.619 --> 00:50:45.659 I absolutely love his put down of them all saying present company. 651 00:50:45.659 --> 00:50:54.599 He's going full on Darrow to juxtapose all the nonsense going on around him. 652 00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:55.980 And I like that. 653 00:50:58.260 --> 00:51:02.940 Do we think this is where he where Avon starts to just become Paul Darrow? 654 00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:03.780 Do you think that's already happened? 655 00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:05.519 Yeah, I think we're already there, aren't we? 656 00:51:05.579 --> 00:51:06.780 Yeah, I was done. yeah. 657 00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:17.099 There is certainly a line you can draw between the bigness of Jackie Pierce's performance and the bigness of Paul Darrow's performance and it's just whoever is ahead at the time. 658 00:51:24.780 --> 00:51:30.059 Thank you, listening, as 5 guys deal with sexism, we can. 659 00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:36.960 Other opinions and possibly more insightful ones are available, but we're just here to talk about what we want to see. 660 00:51:37.019 --> 00:51:42.059 And yes, it's interesting that none of the, none of the female members of our posse signed up to do this episode. 661 00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:47.099 Una wants Una wants to do power because she said that that's what made her a feminist. 662 00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:48.840 So we're in for a trial. 663 00:51:48.840 --> 00:51:49.199 Fantastic. 664 00:51:49.260 --> 00:51:56.880 And she's seen she's seen all the notes that the BBC, I think, sent Ben Steed back when she went to Caversham. 665 00:51:56.940 --> 00:51:57.780 So that's going to be interesting. 666 00:51:57.840 --> 00:51:58.920 Oh, of course. 667 00:51:58.980 --> 00:51:59.400 Oh, wow. 668 00:51:59.460 --> 00:52:01.500 She's had access to the... 669 00:52:01.500 --> 00:52:04.559 So she knows about the episode we could have got as well as the episode we did get. 670 00:52:04.619 --> 00:52:06.059 That's going to be very interesting. 671 00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:10.619 Can I be controversial and say that I think Power is absolutely Ben Steed's best script. 672 00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:15.239 Okay, we're going to get you just earned yourself a place on that episode, Peter. 673 00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:17.400 Just, yes. 674 00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:30.960 I was about to say, if Power made Una a feminist, and this episode made me at like 70, I'd say the thing we can take away from that is Moloch didn't make anyone anything. 675 00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:35.519 That is what I would say. 676 00:52:39.420 --> 00:52:40.860 Awesome. 677 00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:44.639 So thank you for listening to our degrading and primitive podcast. 678 00:52:44.699 --> 00:52:46.199 We should like you to do it again. 679 00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:47.219 Good night. 680 00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:48.059 Bye. 681 00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:48.900 Bye bye. 682 00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:50.280 Goodbye, sir. 683 00:52:56.400 --> 00:52:58.019 Switching to manual. 684 00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:00.239 Maximum power on all drives. 685 00:53:00.420 --> 00:53:02.699 Maximum power.