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Maximum power.

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Hello, dear listeners, and welcome to the Maximum Power Series B, Retrospective Review, a Palooza, coming to you live from Space City.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm James I'm Pete.

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I'm Simon I'm Peter.

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And I'm psy, and we can never get this right.

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Oh, don't...

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And we're all pointing at the screen saying it's you.

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In fact, we're all in different positions on everyone else's screen.

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It's an interesting definition of alphabetic law.

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Well, we have reached the end of Blake 7 sophomore series series B slash 2 slash apple slash beta.

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And yeah, it's time for us to go back across the whole series and this time with some input from you listeners at home.

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So make sure that you drop some shadow and don't experience too many space crises as we look back over series B. Right.

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So to start off with, we expanded our end of series survey, which last time just covered characters and sent it out to our viewers as well.

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And I'd just like to ask, who do people think was the was the winner of the character poll this season?

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Simon?

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Well, I know that there was some controversy last time because I think some people admitted to not voting for the Serverland is number one, but I think it's certainly, frankly.

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I think it ought to be Silverland.

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You think it ought to be serverland?

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Si, if it's not Serverland, it's going to be Avon who gradually takes over the series throughout this season, and I think Paul Darrow is reaching his height, but not quite reaching his pinnacle yet.

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So, yeah, we'll see.

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Terrific.

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James.

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Oh, I've heard it for Silverland, so I don't care.

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I don't know what you're talking about.

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Bruce Purchase doesn't run away with this.

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There's Golar with his leather thong, then I don't know what's wrong with everyone.

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All he needs is a parrot.

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Yeah, some kind of space parrot, maybe.

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Yeah.

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Peter, who you think?

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It's got to be Avon, I think.

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I mean, Serverland is brilliant, but Avon, like Sai said, just runs away with this series and by the end of it is clearly the central character.

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Right.

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I'll put you all out of your misery.

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By 1st preferences, because on this survey, we ask people to vote for their 1st, 2nd and 3rd favourite character.

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By 1st preferences, Avon takes it away with 231st places.

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Ooh.

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Followed by Serverland with 151st places and then Blake with 61st places.

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Six?

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That's 6 too many.

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Yes, well, like 7 too many.

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Is this option on preferential voting?

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Now that's the thing.

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That's just counting 1st preferences.

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That was the 1st part of the post result.

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However, in order to fairly consider this, What I decided to do was a signed point.

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So a 1st place gives 3 points.

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The 2nd place gives 2 points, the 3rd and a 3rd place gives one point.

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And the surprise winner is Gan.

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That would be a very big surprise.

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Okay.

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If we want to start from the bottom in terms of those kind of points, we have Gan, who receives one point. 13rd place.

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Oh my goodness.

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Oh, send it to Eurovision.

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Send it to Eurovision. be an improvement for us.

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Coming in, 2nd last, with 12nd place vote, and this came through today, by the way, this character did not have any vote before today, is Zen with 2 points.

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What's wrong with me?

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Zen gets overlooked.

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Yeah, it would have plenty of 4th places, I think.

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Yeah.

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Coming in 3rd last with 11st and two-thirds is Travis with 5 points. and specifically the Brian Croucher, Travis, ranks above Gannon's end.

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He has his moments.

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Then we've got Aurak.

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Aurak has 63rd places.

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Cali has a single 2nd place and 53rd places.

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Okay.

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This game respectable.

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Yep.

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Jenna. 11st place, 42nd places, 33rd places for a total of 14.

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Hey, one of those 2nd places for Jenna was me and I was a bit disappointed.

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Doubtless we'll talk about this because Jenna was in 1st place for me last year, this year, 2nd place, unfortunately.

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Now we get Villa, who has 21st places, 72nd places, and the highest number of 3rd places with 14.

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He is 13rd of our sample size as 3rd favourite character.

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With 34.

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Wow, you really want that on YouTube, Stone, don't you?

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Along with, so that's in me back.

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With little red cock.

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How do you look so fresh every morning?

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That's Emmy pack.

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It is with great shame that I must admit, I made a mistake just then.

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Villa is not in 4th place overall.

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Villa is in 3rd place overall, in 4th place overall, and this is why preferences is important, right?

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Because Blake originally came third.

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Blake now comes forth because he's got 6 firsts, 5 seconds, 5 thirds for a total of 33.

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So Villa just squeaks past him with those 3rd preference votes.

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So for those of you listening, in a preferential voting system.

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So he's the he's the greens.

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Yes.

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However, the top 2 remains unchanged.

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Servolan on 74 points in total, and Avon on 92.

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Wow, it's big endorsement for Avon this year.

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The viewers agree with...

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And looking forward to the next new episode that will show up, spoilers, in fact, it will be very Avon and Serveland centric.

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So I'd say the series is moving in the right direction.

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I mean, Peter, you've alluded to this.

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Like, so, for instance, the fall of Jenner.

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Let's talk about that because we finished series A saying, you know, even at the end of this 1st season, it's very much you've got the central three, which is Blake Avon and Jenner, and that really falls by the wayside this season.

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It's such a shame because last year, even though I don't think Jenna was the best character overall, I liked her the most because it was a nice alchemy of good writing and a nice, sometimes idiosyncratic performance and sort of nice primacy in the action where, you know, she would have subplots all to herself and she'd be carrying things sometimes.

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And I really liked that, but the disappearance of Jenna and Callie into the background around about episode 3 and both of them emerge at the end of the season again, but that's sort of that long patch in the middle of the season where they just fade into the background is criminal and it really robs the series of something.

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Yeah, they only get to carry your act sometimes.

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Not only plot strands, it's like, it's such an, and they're such well-created characters.

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They're not sloppy, unfilled out characters.

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They brilliant characters.

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Just don't give them anything to do too many episodes, but when they do, they're great.

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Like you said, especially in those 1st few episodes.

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There's a sign of how it could easily have worked.

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Yeah, it's very odd, isn't it?

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Because throughout series A, you've got a feeling that there is an ensemble cast and they've all got something to do in every episode and they've all got a proper relationship with each other, which I think we said in the series A retrospective.

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But here, there's a hierarchy of characters.

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I wonder if this is something to do with bringing in writers from outside Terry Nation and Chris Boucher this year.

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And suddenly we've got writers who have their favourite.

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Robert Holmes, for instance, is really going to focus on the Avon and Villa relationship more than anything else.

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Alan Pryor does whatever Alan Pryor does, which is much usually.

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But I think maybe because we lose the sole authorship of the series, we also lose the focus on all of the characters and it's sort of very detrimental to the series.

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I don't think Cali really recovers until we get to Star one, really, which is the 1st time she leaves the ship for the 1st time.

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When Horizon, I think, was the previous time she left the ship, leaving a character that is has been such fully rounded and an action character to operate the teleport is criminal.

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I don't know what they were thinking.

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It's actually, there's no real excuse because, I mean, what is the producer in the script editor doing, what are they doing if it's not to make sure that the different characters have their moment in the sun?

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And I think that Terry, when he had control of it or when he was writing every single episode, he was obviously trying to share it around, you know, he created all these characters, therefore he was trying to give them all the same or roughly equal amounts of oxygen.

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Okay, other writers come in and have their favourites who always seem to be more or less the same favourites, but you do have like an A set of characters, a B set of characters, and AC character being Gan.

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And, and yeah, it is, it is a bit inexcusable, really, from a production point. think there are 2 things happening there.

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I think one is, as Cy said, lots of outside writers coming in and they're naturally latching onto Avon as the standout character from series A. They can really write him.

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And Terry Nation does the same thing.

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In all of his episodes for this season, Avon plays a big part.

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And I think that can't help but be detrimental to the other characters, especially Jenna, who was the other kind of main sidekick role to Blake.

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But, and this is referring back to the perhaps infamous interview, which I did with Chris Boucher, having a beer in the pub.

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He said that there was a problem that when they went on location, the 2 leading ladies would change their dialogue a lot and he didn't like it.

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And so I think maybe he just stopped sending them on location.

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It could be as easy as that.

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There's a story as well of George Spenson Foster saying, oh, he didn't want the ladies on location because they took up too much time with their makeup.

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It's the boys' field trip.

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They took up so much time with his misogyny.

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But in practice, if they're not going on location, that generally means they're not going to the planet or...

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Exactly, you know, wherever it is.

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And when they do get to go to a planet, like they're in a car park with some party lights flashing on them.

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And it's like, you know, what empowering thing are we going to do for women this week?

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They're going to get into a cat fight?

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to cause a distraction. 10 credit touch and a silly little space trap.

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That's one of my favourite cat fights in any TV show ever.

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I don't think dynasty ever served up, because it happened on an A because it happened to a carbon on an alien planet, which you did not if Joan Collins must have been riven with jealousy.

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But also, and I think I don't know if this could be unrelated.

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I don't know if it might be related, but Jacqueline Pierce emerging as such a strong as being when people started to think about Blake 7 by this point.

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They think it's that thing with Jacqueline Pearce in it, I think.

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And I wonder if the writers without on top of all those other factors, there's the added element of writers gravitating towards thinking of her as the female lead of the story.

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And so giving her stuff to do and kind of forgetting about the others, which is awful.

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But you could all, I can describe it as we've describing what the working environment was like back then, that I could imagine that being a bit of a factor too.

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I think this is the series where she is absolutely cemented as being as much a part of it as any of any of the goodies.

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It's funny, you can't imagine them having a story just because it's the 1970s where Blake is accompanied by Jenna and Kelly rather than 2 men and a woman.

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And it's a bit of a shame.

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Yeah, it's like Sally and Jan said that if they never had an episode where they got to do things together other than operate the teleport and just think what a kick-ass episode that could be.

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It's something big finish have really grasped and done things with and particularly in their recent clone masters set.

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They do an episode with Cali and Jenna going down to the planet, sneaking off the liberator together, and doing stuff, and it's brilliant.

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They're so good together.

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I want a sequel to Redemption with Callie and Jana versus Servolan and Space Casia.

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Destruct.

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With our viewer survey, one of the questions we asked was, if not Gan, who would you have written out?

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And one quarter of our respondents actually said Jenna?

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Now, just about everyone who said Jenna said, I wish it wasn't this way, but just the writers can't find anything for her to do.

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However, shout out to whoever wrote Jenna because they weren't giving her anything too much.

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Also, if we're talking behind the scenes, Alan Pryor.

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They weren't giving him anything to do much.

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They were giving you too much to do.

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He's one of the 1st people other than Terry Nation to get to write a story and so he writes a story about people digging in mines in a cave under a planet and it's just like, okay, I've got this. really radical.

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Here you go, Terry. you like it?

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I think if Alan Pryor had just written one script a year, he'd be fine.

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And I think Horizon is a really, really good script and a really good story and doesn't get enough love.

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When they rely on him to fill in the gaps later on.

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So he writes hostage and the keeper at the last minute.

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I don't think they're necessarily as good.

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Although the keeper has lots of fun role for Jenna, and that's a good thing, so, but hostage really doesn't have a great deal to recommend it.

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It's interesting.

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We'll come back to where the keeper and hostage ranked in our best and worst list later on.

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And also where Horizon ranked, come to think of it, looking at the list.

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Oh boy.

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Obviously, Jenna's been underused this season.

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Villa was meant to be written out, but became hugely popular.

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So they decided to write out Gan instead.

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What do we think of the lead up to Gan's departure because he's still there for the 1st 5 episodes of the series before he gets written out.

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James?

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Oh, if any had been written out sooner.

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No, no, I mean, I actually, I mean, I really like his portrayal.

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I like Jackson's portrayal of Afghan a lot. series 8.

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I really wonder where you were going with that.

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I really like his coat.

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It was way that sounded...

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That's what you were reaching.

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No, no, like he's okay in series A, but he's just given nothing to do in series B, I think, is the problem.

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Yeah, he goes from, like, you know, sort of also ran character to basically getting less lines than the girls, which is, I would just make the observation with Gan, that, and this isn't, I know this isn't entirely accurate, but you know how sometimes when there's a character in a series that you're watching.

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And then they sort of disappear.

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And then they suddenly come back for an episode just so they can be written out.

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That's kind of my impression of it.

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Like, I'm trying to think of what he did this season before pressure point, and the answer is basically nothing.

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It's like he's less important than, or, and or, and Zen, and all that. he only he only comes back.

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He's only there so that he can then be gotten rid of.

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It's interesting because I think Chris Boucher is working on the character throughout Shadow to reposition him as the moral compass of the crew.

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I think that would have been a very interesting way for his character to carry on, that he's going to be the one questioning Blake, whereas he'd been the one who had been very much, I'm with Blake, whatever he says, I'm Blake's friend.

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I believe in what he's doing.

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And so I think there is an attempt there to try and do something different with him and he's standing up and saying, this isn't right.

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He's the only one who's standing up and saying, we shouldn't be using the pterra nostra.

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We shouldn't be doing this.

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But obviously, that's lost very quickly because there isn't a moral argument in the next 3 episodes before he dies.

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That's right.

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And also, I think Shadow is a really good example of when Chris Belcher gets hold of the series.

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He does a really good job of writing for the ensemble.

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Gan is strong in that episode.

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He doesn't have maybe as much to do as Blake and Avon, but he gets some good scenes, and as you were saying, some good moral good points to put forward, and he's really good.

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I think the problem with Gan is that all of the characters are brilliant and he's the least brilliant.

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He's pretty good overall when you get something to do.

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It's just he doesn't get anything to do.

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So basically, Blake 7 was a bad idea.

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It should have been Blake's 4 or five.

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That would have been fine.

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I mean, I'd read it, right?

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So that sort of covers Jenna, Gan.

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We've also mentioned how Callie is kind of underwritten this series.

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Something that really surprised me watching this season is how much Zen is put into the background?

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Because in the 1st season he's this mysterious force, and occasionally he won't do as he's told.

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And he'll just kind of go, oh, well, if you want to fly over here and I told you it was dangerous.

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Have fun.

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I'm going to go.

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I'm gonna go for a nap.

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But that doesn't really happen here because Aurak turns up.

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Yes, and you can only have 11 supercomputer that's irascible and not helpful at a time, I think.

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Yes, one contrary computer at a time, please.

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And yeah, I just thought it was really interesting.

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And until this morning, when I was like, Zen has not had any votes in any category.

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I'm like, it's because Aurax come along.

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And, you know, because that thoughtful viewer came along and gave Zen some points, you know, now I can't say that, unfortunately.

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It's a little disappointing, but we kind of go from Zen, who was a little bit unknowable because he was alien.

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And we go to Aurak, who is a grumpy old man disguised as a box of lights.

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Otherwise known as Peterton them.

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So that brings us to our dynamic duo of Servolan and Travis.

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Those scores again for those of you listening at home.

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Serverland on 74 points.

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Travis on five.

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Suffering, I think, because of the change of cast member.

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Poor Brian.

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I do like him.

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I like him, but I acknowledge that he is not Steady. don't particularly like him.

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Blake, I have your cousin, Inga, on the planet.

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X-par. et cetera, et cetera.

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Well...

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I'd like to know, and I'm sure we'll get to this, Brendan, where the legs came in the boat, but we'll get...

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Oh, we are getting cut this bit. foreshadowing.

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It is funny that if I can observe, it is that strange thing because I sort of saw Blake 7 in vaguely reverse order.

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I saw basically series C first, then series, then the beginning, but then series B and then series.

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So for me, this Travis was the 1st Travis.

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And so I don't want to go as far as saying I prefer Brian Croucher, but I rank them virtually only slightly not equal to each other.

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I confess.

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Sorry to be up.

252
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No, no, Simon, that might have exactly the same experience.

253
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I saw Brian Croucher before I saw Stephen Grife.

254
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So Brian Croucher always feels like proper traffic to me as well.

255
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Yeah, yeah.

256
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But he's just badly served.

257
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I have the same relationship with Ramana. where Mama and Mary Tam is the actress who also played it.

258
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And it's just...

259
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Poor boy Crencher.

260
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He's just badly served, isn't he, I think, by everyone from the scripting, particularly his 1st director, George Fenton Foster, who is the pennant Roberts, I think, of this year.

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Yes, that name just keeps showing up.

262
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Well, the thing is, I write down to his acting.

263
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Yes.

264
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I would say, though, actors seem to like Pennant Roberts.

265
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I've read quite a few of the main cast, say, not naming names, but a certain director on series B with a hyphenated surname.

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And Brian Croucher, Michael Keating, Paul Darrow, Sally Nevette, have all said they didn't like working with George Benton Foster.

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I think he was only Jacqueline Pierce who did, but he really liked her, so he and her got on very well.

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It's the thing about the Servolan and Travis Dynamic.

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There's a lot of chemistry between Jackie Pierce and Stephen Griff.

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And there's not much chemistry between her and Brian Croucher.

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And so the relationship kind of falls apart and Travis is also a little bit surplus 2 requirements after he leaves the Federation and sort of becomes a loner.

272
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And so, conversely, that actually allows Servland to fill the space.

273
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And they give her another set of sidekicks, like they give her Carnel, and they give her Jerry air in Gambit, and Dirkim and Star one, and they're all better for her than Travis in this incarnation, I think.

274
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Especially Carnell with his fabulous eyes.

275
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Yeah.

276
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I think so.

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I think Servolane had a bit of carnal knowledge there, don't you?

278
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We all, wouldn't we all?

279
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Yeah, I feel bad for Brian Croucher because he's just got this almost impossible.

280
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How camp is he supposed to be?

281
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It seems to be just the look inside his eyes throughout the whole thing, because Jacqueline Pierce can just be camper and camper.

282
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But with heat, but he can't be the sort of her straight man as such, because it's so over the top, some of her performance and her amazing charisma.

283
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And so, and that's why I think, for example, I think, I really like the version of him that we get in Gambit, because he's like, he's realised he's in a Duran Duran video before Duran Duran had been invented and is posing around.

284
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And it's quite silly, but it's sort of silly and in a male, well, Italy, but in a, but in a sort of being a male equivalent of serverland.

285
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And in other episodes, you know, the dryness and the actual thuggishness of original Travis just wouldn't have fitted in that environment anyway.

286
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I don't think it, Travis would have had an easy path through this season if, even if you hadn't been recast, because the whole, the tone of it has shifted and ultimately you would get abroad with the same guy, just, just being Serverland's fall guy every, every week.

287
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So, yeah, it was always going to be a very difficult path for whoever was taking that role in this season.

288
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Yeah, well, that's why Stephen Griff left.

289
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One of the reasons he left was he kind of went, how long can this character be sustained if he loses every week?

290
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You know, why hasn't he been executed yet, basically?

291
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Has he met the Daleks?

292
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Almost.

293
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I mean, in story terms, you think of it in the, you think of it in the same way.

294
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Why is Travis in this season?

295
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What role does he actually play?

296
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And yeah, they seem to sort of attempt to retool the character with trial that he's going to be sort of vigilante for, well, not vigilante.

297
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He's going to be a sort of gun for hire.

298
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But he's still the outside the law, yeah.

299
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Deniable asset.

300
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But he's still got this massive grudge for Blake and it's kind of like, well, you know, why, really?

301
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But in then in Star one, he gets a new motivation and it actually makes a hell of a lot of sense and he's completely gone off the deep end and he's going to wipe out the whole humanity.

302
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I can't fight on wiping out humanity.

303
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It's strange because they fudge so much.

304
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There's obviously an idea that they want these these ongoing storylines through series B, and so they want Travis acting outside of the Federation.

305
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But in his 1st story outside the Federation.

306
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He's, by the end of it, he's already done a deal to act with Servoland.

307
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And it's like they don't really quite know how the character could work on his own without serverland, without the Federation, without all of these things.

308
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Then they put him in the Chevan costume and yeah.

309
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And then any hope for Brian Croucher has gone out of the window really, hasn't it?

310
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Let's not get started on that because it's going to descend into silly races again.

311
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But you know, as Brendan was saying, in Star One, even though Travis plays a big plot role.

312
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He doesn't actually have a lot of screen time and yet written by Chris Belcher and directed by the show's producer David Maloney, he is perfectly good in that episode.

313
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And I was really shocked because I hadn't seen Star Wars.

314
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I was really shocked when Travis actually shoots Blake and had it not been for Avon, Travis would have gotten his wish kind of thing.

315
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I didn't think it was going to be that close.

316
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I knew from listening to Big Finish that Blake is injured at the end of Star one, but I assumed, you know, it was some polystyrene falling from the roof of the liberator when the when the plasma bonds started firing, you know.

317
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Not being Gan.

318
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Oh, poor Gan.

319
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I will say that in terms of, if we're discussing whether Travis works or not, 4 of our survey respondents said they would have written out Travis, and basically all of them say the character had outlived his usefulness, even by the end of season one, and someone actually said, because he's not Stephen Griff anymore.

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Oh, that was me.

321
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That was you.

322
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Well, it's perfectly reasonable.

323
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Yes.

324
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Yeah, absolutely.

325
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Valid, valid complaint.

326
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I really like this thing where the respondents are supporting what we're saying because we are the respondents.

327
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I would like to thank the crew of maximum power for filling in the survey 5 times each.

328
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Different answers.

329
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It may not surprise any of you to know that no one suggested writing out Silverman.

330
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Quite right too.

331
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We won't have that.

332
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Two people did suggest writing out Zen.

333
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Okay.

334
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Can you imagine what kind of creative universe you'd live in where at the end of Star One, they wrote out Servoland and kept Travis Bryant Crouch as the lead Maddie?

335
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I'd also like to point out that despite the question being phrased as, if not Gan, who would you write out?

336
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and 11 people wrote in, no, it still has to be Gan.

337
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In a survey, who would you write out instead of cats?

338
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Okay, still one.

339
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Wide it out again.

340
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It's all the way down, I'm afraid. all the way down.

341
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Jenna came 2nd in who would you write out?

342
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Blake came 3rd with 9 votes.

343
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Yep.

344
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Yep.

345
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One of those for me.

346
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Did one of us here say it would have been interesting to see how the series would have carried on without him, wink emoji.

347
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James, you like emojis.

348
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No, no, no.

349
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I voted for Travis.

350
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But a couple of people who said Blake said, but still only at the end of the series, but I want to know what happened to him within this episode.

351
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Yeah, that is old, isn't it?

352
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Which, um, which is, which is.

353
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Why did they not?

354
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Why didn't they give him an actual, because they knew it was, it was announced in advance.

355
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This was definitely going to be his last episode.

356
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And then he gets an offscreen exit. which is very odd writing.

357
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Yeah, it is odd.

358
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I don't understand why.

359
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And then gets brought back.

360
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Oh, or less.

361
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Is it one of those things where they're hoping he'll change his mind?

362
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I do wonder whether it's the same with Garafans and for Sally, whether the sort of perfunctoriness of getting rid of them in one line in aftermath is part of that.

363
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Well, this is almost like your punishment for leaving the show, that we're not going to write you out.

364
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We're just going through you, though.

365
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Yeah.

366
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Jenna's gone with Blake back to their own.

367
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And that's it. her own planet.

368
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I mean, could it have something to do with the fact that it's named Blake 7?

369
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And so killing him off on screen just felt like it was undermining the series too much. don't know.

370
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No, they didn't need to kill him off, but they could have just had it more of a departure that implies.

371
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Yeah, getting into his going away.

372
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He's injured significantly, whatever it is, just something to explain his sudden disappearance rather than, oh, he's actually just there out of shock.

373
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Yeah, and you know what?

374
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what you just said as well.

375
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That's made me think about it. not in a nasty sense, but they want to they want to reward Paul Darrow for staying more than they want to give the others a big moment in the spotlight to reward them for going.

376
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So the fact that it is, that final shot is completely on him.

377
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And this is the Avon show now. is um, that actually that, in my mind's eye, that is the last line of the series.

378
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I don't I don't think he actually says it, but I could of hear him say it's my series now.

379
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That's right.

380
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In effect, the final scene is not Blake's gone into a capsule and Jenna's gone with him.

381
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His final scene is handing over to Avon on screen when he says for what it's worth.

382
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I've always trusted you.

383
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That's his final scene.

384
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Well, that's a great scene.

385
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Yeah.

386
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I will say the only thing that undermines me for that scene is the close-ups at the end, and, you know, Villa looks scared.

387
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Jenna looks determined, Callie looks like, do I have to buy milk on the way home?

388
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She looks distracted.

389
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I signed up for another year?

390
00:30:14.099 --> 00:30:16.079
Why am I still here?

391
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:19.259
She's thinking she's thinking to herself.

392
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Did I really have to order pizza?

393
00:30:22.980 --> 00:30:33.480
And for those of you listening at home, Jan Chappel did sign up for another year, but with the stipulation in her contract that she would not have to film at any active nuclear power stations.

394
00:30:33.539 --> 00:30:36.059
No, they had to jettison half dozen scripts.

395
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Because she was breastfeeding during the production of redemption. and they were told, and they were told in the, you know, in the power station, you're not allowed to have any milk or eggs and she's like, um, excuse me.

396
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If I'm not.

397
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Because they do like him.

398
00:30:55.019 --> 00:30:58.079
They do like taking his Tanucia power stations, certainly.

399
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That's another black power station station.

400
00:31:00.539 --> 00:31:01.079
Yeah.

401
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:04.500
Well, and even if they had been, she wouldn't have been allowed in them.

402
00:31:04.500 --> 00:31:09.779
Because they didn't take any of any of the female cars on the case.

403
00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:13.319
Someone should have said, you silly girl, you're going to be operating the teleport.

404
00:31:14.099 --> 00:31:16.980
You don't want to be exposed to radiation.

405
00:31:17.099 --> 00:31:19.380
You can stay on set, ruin your makeup.

406
00:31:19.740 --> 00:31:22.140
Getting ahead of ourselves slightly.

407
00:31:22.259 --> 00:31:27.119
It is interesting with that comment from George Benton foster about women on location and hair and makeup.

408
00:31:27.180 --> 00:31:30.299
Callie's hair style is short and very simple.

409
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.359
Dana's hairstyle is incredibly short.

410
00:31:33.539 --> 00:31:36.720
And suddenly the women get more action on location.

411
00:31:36.779 --> 00:31:39.059
Yeah, and Jacqueline Pierce.

412
00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:40.500
And Jacqueline Pierce.

413
00:31:40.619 --> 00:31:41.099
Yeah, exactly.

414
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:45.180
You know, I think I think next series and getting ahead of ourselves.

415
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:49.440
Stephen Pacey's hair budget is probably the highest to be honest with you.

416
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I'm not sure.

417
00:31:50.339 --> 00:31:51.420
I mean, Paul Darrows.

418
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That gets more...

419
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Weller, he's worth it.

420
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Right, moving on from talking about various characters of the series.

421
00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:12.539
We have our 1st Snog, Mary, Kilmorris, Barry.

422
00:32:14.579 --> 00:32:18.539
And this can only be for Si.

423
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:27.900
Si, your snog marry, kill Morris, Barry, Alta one, Carnell, or Durkum?

424
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:29.759
Ooh.

425
00:32:29.819 --> 00:32:31.500
Oh, that's a tricky one.

426
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:35.640
All better options than the security robot that I got last year.

427
00:32:35.700 --> 00:32:36.660
That's good.

428
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:42.180
Yeah, I looked back at what I gave you and it was like amphibian, a decima and a farting security robot.

429
00:32:42.299 --> 00:32:43.680
I thought I'd better give you something.

430
00:32:43.740 --> 00:32:57.660
Well, despite him being the most manipulative man in existence, I'm marrying Carnell because, oh my god, this is just waking up to that. those sparkly eyes every day.

431
00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:00.720
And that purring accent.

432
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:07.259
But any man who manages to live after Serverland has stroked right down his torso.

433
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:08.880
Yeah, he's a he's a keeper.

434
00:33:08.940 --> 00:33:14.339
I think I would snog Durkin because he's a really solid, good presence.

435
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:18.779
He'd been a very camp farm before in a different incarnation.

436
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:21.240
So yeah, I think there's there's definitely something there.

437
00:33:21.299 --> 00:33:22.079
He's very good.

438
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.960
And so I have to avoid outer one, I'm afraid.

439
00:33:25.019 --> 00:33:26.579
Should be a bit mechanical.

440
00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:27.839
I've been mechanical.

441
00:33:27.900 --> 00:33:28.799
To go through the motions.

442
00:33:28.859 --> 00:33:29.339
Yeah.

443
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:30.180
Fantastic.

444
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:31.440
Thank you very much, Si.

445
00:33:32.940 --> 00:33:36.779
Now that brings us to, where would you live?

446
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:40.799
So I'd like you to cast your mind back to the various locations.

447
00:33:40.859 --> 00:33:45.240
We went to this series, and I'm just going to quickly list them here.

448
00:33:45.299 --> 00:33:47.640
We've got the system.

449
00:33:47.700 --> 00:33:48.960
We've got Space City.

450
00:33:49.019 --> 00:33:53.579
We've got Zonda, where the shadow crystals live.

451
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:55.619
We've got Coz's hideout.

452
00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:58.079
We've got Horizon.

453
00:33:58.140 --> 00:34:11.340
Earth, Space Command, Zill's Planet, Q Base, X Bar, Albion, Asteroid PK 118.

454
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:18.119
Outer gal, Freedom City, Goth, All-Star one.

455
00:34:18.300 --> 00:34:21.659
So, Pete, I'm going to start with you.

456
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:23.460
Where would you like to live from?

457
00:34:23.460 --> 00:34:24.900
That's not the liberator.

458
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:32.099
I'm going to be take me down to Freedom City where the tinsel's shitty.

459
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:33.659
I don't know how does the song go?

460
00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:39.900
I want goff tinsel, chest to the death.

461
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:47.519
Bride me with drugs and send me off with a smile on my face as long as I'm thinking I'm defeating Deep Roy, but failing to.

462
00:34:47.579 --> 00:34:50.639
I think that's that's clearly where it's actually all at.

463
00:34:50.699 --> 00:34:53.340
And yeah, that's my, that's me.

464
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:54.539
Peter?

465
00:34:54.599 --> 00:35:05.880
Uh, I'm a fan of minimalism and also loft spaces, so I think I would live in control uh, down in pressure points where, you know, there's basically nothing there and just walk in some big doors and it's all white.

466
00:35:05.940 --> 00:35:06.599
I'd be there before.

467
00:35:06.659 --> 00:35:09.599
Failing that, I might live in the tents of Goth.

468
00:35:09.659 --> 00:35:13.440
Did we ever find out what tents they were, by the way, past future present?

469
00:35:13.860 --> 00:35:31.320
Oh, If you look at Brian Purchase in, if you look at Bruce Purchase in certain shots, Thank you very much, Peter.

470
00:35:31.380 --> 00:35:32.219
Simon.

471
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:40.019
I would live in space command. for the views, I think. and I suspect that the service, assuming you are of a suitable rank.

472
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:46.679
I'm imagining I am of a suitable rank to live in space command, but I think that would be my choice.

473
00:35:46.739 --> 00:35:47.760
Pl of people to order around, you know.

474
00:35:47.820 --> 00:35:50.880
Simon, you'd also get to dine with Peter Miles.

475
00:35:50.940 --> 00:35:52.380
Exactly.

476
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:55.019
The food's terrible.

477
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:56.699
You should have brought your own shed.

478
00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:00.480
Certainly looks like Old Star Killer brought his own chef.

479
00:36:03.539 --> 00:36:06.300
Thank you, Simon Si, where would you live?

480
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:15.960
I'm a big fan of Sunset, so I'm going to live on Outer Gile, which I think has beautiful sunsets, lovely spaceport, very nice cinemas.

481
00:36:16.019 --> 00:36:17.940
So that will do me nicely.

482
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:21.780
It's the Hawaii of the Federation.

483
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:22.500
It is.

484
00:36:23.099 --> 00:36:24.780
And James?

485
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:31.260
Well, I don't know where I'd live, but I'm sure I went clubbing at Q base back in...

486
00:36:31.860 --> 00:36:36.119
Yeah, what was left of you was so crisped up it would only fit in a sandwich.

487
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:42.179
Funny, but it's true.

488
00:36:43.380 --> 00:36:45.719
I think I'm actually with Simon here.

489
00:36:45.780 --> 00:36:47.400
I think I'd like to live on space command.

490
00:36:47.460 --> 00:36:56.639
Because I do like space stations, although if I want a bit of independence, I might want space city, but I do have a slightly addictive personality, so I'd have to make sure I get addicted to something that's not shadow.

491
00:36:56.699 --> 00:37:01.619
So yeah, I'd totally be on the adrenaline and so much all the time at Space City.

492
00:37:02.219 --> 00:37:07.079
Actually, I'm wherever villa disappears too. in that story.

493
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:09.119
Yeah, he's having a wonderful time, isn't he?

494
00:37:09.179 --> 00:37:15.960
Yeah, and I thought, you know, we never saw him because he was, you know, losing a kidney or something, but no, they just couldn't afford to build a bar.

495
00:37:17.699 --> 00:37:19.139
Right.

496
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:23.579
So, Snog marry, strontium grenade with a door chaser.

497
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:25.260
James.

498
00:37:25.739 --> 00:37:30.960
Granter, Jarier, or Governor Legrand?

499
00:37:35.579 --> 00:37:40.559
James, would you like to snog or marry me?

500
00:37:43.619 --> 00:37:46.980
Well, I was I was gonna say, yeah.

501
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:54.059
No, I don't think I could, um, I could snug Governor Le Grom because just bite your face off.

502
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:58.500
She'd never, she, you can always see her teeth. shiny teeth.

503
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:03.239
I think I would snog crown tour.

504
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:09.539
Because he's just so delightfully sort of wicked and evil.

505
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:11.280
I'm sure he'd be quite good at it.

506
00:38:11.340 --> 00:38:17.579
I would marry Governor LeGrand because she doesn't have long left, and I could maybe usurp.

507
00:38:17.579 --> 00:38:20.820
I'm out of girl, after surf lens, kind of killed.

508
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:23.159
And she might fancy a triumvirate or two.

509
00:38:23.219 --> 00:38:25.679
And I'm with Jerry, yeah.

510
00:38:28.739 --> 00:38:30.300
Lovely.

511
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:33.420
Well, um, that's not what you were saying there.

512
00:38:35.579 --> 00:38:41.880
You'd end up with very silver lips after consort if you've been snogging crantor, if easy to tell.

513
00:38:43.980 --> 00:38:46.619
Well, let's say it's...

514
00:38:46.619 --> 00:38:50.340
Snog marry strontium grenade in a door chaser.

515
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:50.639
Yeah.

516
00:38:50.699 --> 00:38:54.119
So, yeah, you, you, you've thrown a strong...

517
00:38:54.179 --> 00:39:00.900
You've thrown a strontium grenade and a door at Jerry Air. which funnily enough is what our listeners did as well.

518
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:10.559
So for our survey, because we noticed that Servoland was getting some far more competent assistance after Travis left.

519
00:39:10.619 --> 00:39:17.460
Um, we said, well, do people prefer Carmel, Thania, Jarier or Durkin?

520
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:20.340
And Thania, who we haven't really talked about yet.

521
00:39:20.460 --> 00:39:26.340
This episode was Travis's defence counsel in trial for those of you who weren't sure of that.

522
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:27.900
Jerry got 2 votes.

523
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:29.760
In that.

524
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:39.119
Thania got 6 and someone did write in afterwards that they said Thania and also wanted her to be a new regular because they fancy her.

525
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:42.480
Now, Durkin was...

526
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:43.619
We have heterosexual listeners?

527
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:46.679
Oh, it's Colin.

528
00:39:48.659 --> 00:39:50.639
It might be a girl.

529
00:39:50.699 --> 00:39:52.380
It might be a girl.

530
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:54.480
It might be an outer gal, yes.

531
00:39:54.539 --> 00:39:58.380
Now, Durkin took a very early lead, and I was surprised.

532
00:39:58.380 --> 00:40:04.199
For about the 1st 24 hours, Durkin was sitting on 6 votes with only 2 for Carnell.

533
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:07.440
And I was really, really shocked by that.

534
00:40:07.500 --> 00:40:09.599
After we sent it out on our socials.

535
00:40:09.659 --> 00:40:13.980
Durkin got 7 votes and Carnell got 33.

536
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:18.659
I must admit.

537
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:29.159
No, I must admit, I did originally vote for Carnell and then went for Durkin because I felt he was a really solid and really good foil for Serverland.

538
00:40:29.219 --> 00:40:38.699
I really loved his performance and I really loved the fact that he is incredibly nervous in her presence all the time, but trying to be resolute.

539
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:41.940
I would love to have seen him through the 3rd series.

540
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:47.460
I think he would have been a really good foil for her popping up every so often with intelligence and stuff like that.

541
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:48.599
He was really good.

542
00:40:48.659 --> 00:40:53.460
But I can't fault Carnell because it's a magnificent performance.

543
00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:54.659
Yeah, totally.

544
00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:55.139
Totally.

545
00:40:55.199 --> 00:41:05.099
Yeah, Durkin was a character with great potential, but you know, TV just didn't work that way. you know, you couldn't say to an actor, we're going to hire.

546
00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:06.480
We're going to hire you for 6 episodes.

547
00:41:06.539 --> 00:41:07.860
Just make sure you're available whenever.

548
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:09.539
It's like, well, no, I'm doing a Zed car.

549
00:41:09.659 --> 00:41:10.619
I can't.

550
00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:18.179
John Boone, who played Durham, just has this wonderful ability to deliver exposition really urgently and interestingly.

551
00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:24.599
He does have that nervous energy, but he knows exactly when to switch into something slightly more confident.

552
00:41:24.659 --> 00:41:30.840
So when Zervoans basically were, well, I've overthrown the Supreme Council and now I'm president and he's just like, oh, well, congratulations, Madam President.

553
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:34.199
Like, he doesn't go into a panic there.

554
00:41:34.260 --> 00:41:37.440
He's just like, Yep, okay, seems legit.

555
00:41:37.500 --> 00:41:38.159
She's in here.

556
00:41:38.219 --> 00:41:38.880
I'm in here.

557
00:41:38.940 --> 00:41:41.699
She's probably got like 3 guns somewhere.

558
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:43.019
I'm just going to say yes.

559
00:41:44.940 --> 00:41:47.760
I know which way the wind is blowing.

560
00:41:47.820 --> 00:41:48.239
Yes, exactly.

561
00:41:48.300 --> 00:41:49.860
I can see it on that launch over there.

562
00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:55.980
This is kill and save.

563
00:41:56.039 --> 00:42:06.239
So I want you to choose a member of the regular cast to write out, and because we do write out Gam this series, you can choose Gan and replace them with a one-off character.

564
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:09.659
So let's start with you, James.

565
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:11.340
So who would you kill and save?

566
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:13.380
I think I would kill Genghis.

567
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:15.840
I think it's the right choice creatively for the show.

568
00:42:15.900 --> 00:42:19.800
I would save Duggan, Space Duggan.

569
00:42:19.860 --> 00:42:21.239
Del Grass.

570
00:42:21.300 --> 00:42:22.500
Del Grant.

571
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:22.920
Thank you.

572
00:42:22.980 --> 00:42:25.920
Because Tom Chadman, come on.

573
00:42:25.980 --> 00:42:30.059
He's just great in that episode and I think he has the potential.

574
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:39.780
He has this, the character has a, is developed enough and has a backplot with Avon, which could actually lead to some really interesting interaction.

575
00:42:39.900 --> 00:42:40.920
Thank you very much.

576
00:42:40.980 --> 00:42:41.639
Pete?

577
00:42:41.699 --> 00:42:48.480
It seems such a long time ago going back right back to the start of the series, but I just loved seeing Peter Miles back as Rontaine.

578
00:42:48.539 --> 00:42:51.780
I know that's a character that I could happily have seen more of.

579
00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:58.500
Um, so I would have saved him and have him cropping up again, maybe in political as a political rival to serve land, that sort of thing.

580
00:42:58.559 --> 00:42:59.940
Ah, yeah, Kilgam.

581
00:43:03.300 --> 00:43:04.980
Fantastic.

582
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:05.820
Simon?

583
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:18.840
I'm afraid I have to kill Gan as well, just because, through Nofold of the actor, it's just, he's just been so poorly served that he's never properly developed, really, and so he is surplus to requirements.

584
00:43:18.900 --> 00:43:20.940
I saved Dr. Belfriar.

585
00:43:21.059 --> 00:43:23.639
He's my favourite character of the season.

586
00:43:23.699 --> 00:43:25.860
He is so suave and sophisticated.

587
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:27.539
I would have loved to have seen more of him.

588
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:29.099
Absolutely adore that character.

589
00:43:29.219 --> 00:43:30.000
Fantastic.

590
00:43:30.059 --> 00:43:32.699
On the way he dies as well, it's just so...

591
00:43:32.699 --> 00:43:33.539
It's so beautiful.

592
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:34.079
Yeah.

593
00:43:34.980 --> 00:43:37.800
Just out of curiosity, Simon.

594
00:43:37.860 --> 00:43:42.300
Was it you who wrote in the survey, Bellfriar, he has high class, he has such class.

595
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:44.340
Oh, yes, that's me.

596
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:44.699
Yeah, yeah.

597
00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:45.539
Did you not tell?

598
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:51.780
He had style, he had a deadly space disease.

599
00:43:51.900 --> 00:43:53.099
Yeah, yeah.

600
00:43:53.219 --> 00:43:57.659
I was going to say, I thought that was going in another direction.

601
00:43:57.719 --> 00:43:59.760
I was going to say, I don't think we ever saw him stand up.

602
00:43:59.820 --> 00:44:01.260
But Si.

603
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:06.300
Okay, well, obviously, like everyone else, I'd kill Gan because reasons.

604
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:08.519
You've all stated it so eloquently.

605
00:44:08.579 --> 00:44:21.179
And I would bring on Beck from Shadows. because I think he would have been a really interesting character, come along for the...

606
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:23.579
I think...

607
00:44:24.059 --> 00:44:26.400
He had a really good...

608
00:44:26.460 --> 00:44:28.440
He was really well played by Cole Howman.

609
00:44:28.500 --> 00:44:31.440
He was had wonderful hair, loved his hair.

610
00:44:31.500 --> 00:44:34.079
Although maybe that would have taken the budget for the rest of the season.

611
00:44:34.139 --> 00:44:34.619
I don't know.

612
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:36.900
He'd have never been able to go and let that.

613
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:37.320
That's true.

614
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:43.199
But for the other reason, he'd just get the location in his hair. stuck.

615
00:44:43.619 --> 00:44:48.539
But I really liked his sparky relationship with everyone in the crew.

616
00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:50.699
There was loads of potential in that character.

617
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:53.039
It's a wonderful catchy dialogue.

618
00:44:53.099 --> 00:44:53.579
He does.

619
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:56.579
He got his own show on the BBC soon after this, didn't he?

620
00:44:56.639 --> 00:45:01.380
as Jacko the Loveable Window cleaner. which ran for...

621
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:01.679
Yes.

622
00:45:01.739 --> 00:45:03.539
Well, he was a decorator, wasn't he?

623
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:04.079
A window cleaner.

624
00:45:04.139 --> 00:45:04.500
That's right.

625
00:45:04.619 --> 00:45:05.579
He was a decorator, yeah.

626
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:07.380
Yeah, I don't use a brush when you're cleaning windows.

627
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:09.000
You're like 55 seating?

628
00:45:09.059 --> 00:45:09.960
It ran forever.

629
00:45:10.019 --> 00:45:10.739
Yeah.

630
00:45:10.739 --> 00:45:12.239
Well deserved.

631
00:45:12.420 --> 00:45:20.639
Well, clearly James is correct and you would have Del Grant because he does have that backstory with Avon because he's Anna Grant's brother.

632
00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:30.659
But also, I would have quite liked to have seen Blake written out and maybe the sister of the King of the Tents of Gola brought on board.

633
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:32.159
That would have been amazing.

634
00:45:32.219 --> 00:45:33.719
I would have loved to have seen her.

635
00:45:33.780 --> 00:45:40.260
I would love to have seen them squeezing her into a life port at the start of next series while she gurgled with laughter.

636
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:41.099
It would have been amazing.

637
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:44.219
I'd forgotten.

638
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:50.219
I forgot when I rewatched this in preparation for the podcast, I'd forgotten how fair pushed she is.

639
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:51.300
She's amazing.

640
00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:51.960
She's so great.

641
00:45:52.019 --> 00:45:57.539
And she gets a really brilliant scene with Jenna, which unfortunately fails the beg Delta, but, you know, we can't have everything.

642
00:45:57.659 --> 00:45:59.460
Bechdel crumbs in this thing.

643
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:00.539
A woman's bone.

644
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:01.980
No, exaggerating.

645
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:02.579
Exactly.

646
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:03.300
You were exaggerating.

647
00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:05.280
It's not that bad. nearly.

648
00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:08.519
It's not season 12 adopted.

649
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:11.940
Although it does feature one of the guest cast.

650
00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:25.440
Um, I would have to kill Gan still as well, but getting back to something I said earlier, I would have made sure that in those 1st 5 episodes his character would have been built up in a similar way that it was getting built up in shadow.

651
00:46:25.500 --> 00:46:34.800
And I was like, you know, at this point, we can afford to like push Villa into the background for an episode or 2 because we know that David's leaving and let's actually give him something to do.

652
00:46:34.860 --> 00:46:44.280
It's so telling that they shot killer before pressure point, but were able to cut Gan out of it because he only had one scene operating the teleport.

653
00:46:45.900 --> 00:46:47.519
You know, yeah.

654
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:51.960
I mean, they write Callie out for half that episode as well, because there's nothing for her to do.

655
00:46:52.019 --> 00:46:56.639
Yeah, except to be proto Deanna Troy and go, oh, there's something about that ship.

656
00:46:56.699 --> 00:46:58.440
That's useful.

657
00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:08.280
There's got to be some fan fiction out there where those 2 meet in some kind of telepathic mind bending game that just grinds to a halt because neither of them can do it.

658
00:47:08.340 --> 00:47:09.840
I think she's a bit annoying.

659
00:47:09.900 --> 00:47:10.920
What are you saying, Blake?

660
00:47:10.980 --> 00:47:12.360
Did you shout?

661
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:12.960
Think loud.

662
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:15.059
Think louder.

663
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:19.559
I can't hear you But did Gan have to die?

664
00:47:19.619 --> 00:47:24.360
Could he have gone off and looked, you know, run an animal sanctuary or something?

665
00:47:24.420 --> 00:47:29.219
It could have, but his death does become a major motivator for Blake, doesn't it?

666
00:47:29.340 --> 00:47:30.659
Blake's guilt.

667
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:30.960
Yes.

668
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:36.239
So it does actually have a more impact on episodes that he's not in than on someone that he's in.

669
00:47:36.300 --> 00:47:38.099
Um, but that's the way.

670
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:41.760
His absence had more impact than his present.

671
00:47:41.820 --> 00:47:44.039
He's never mentioned again after trial.

672
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:46.739
Never mentioned by name after trial.

673
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:50.699
Wow, isn't that interesting because, 0 no, I can't do those spoilers.

674
00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:56.039
When another character leaves in the future, they are mentioned plenty of times after they leave.

675
00:47:56.099 --> 00:47:56.280
Yes.

676
00:47:56.340 --> 00:47:57.599
Yes, yes. interesting, isn't it?

677
00:47:57.659 --> 00:48:01.559
The character who I would bring on board is Kasabi.

678
00:48:01.619 --> 00:48:03.599
I would keep...

679
00:48:03.659 --> 00:48:04.500
Yes.

680
00:48:04.619 --> 00:48:21.900
And the whole reason I would do that is, you know, Blake becomes so much more determined and fanatical in this season, but it's never really addressed that it's easy to be this determined and this angry when you're on this luxurious ship that's the fastest thing in the galaxy, whereas Kasabi's been having to fight a battle on the ground.

681
00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:29.340
And I think it would have been interesting to see that dynamic where, you know, Blake's getting really angry and Kasabi's like, you've had a bed for the last 3 years.

682
00:48:29.460 --> 00:48:39.000
I've been eating mushrooms off the back of a log, you know, I think that I think that could have been interesting and, you know, same episode.

683
00:48:39.059 --> 00:48:48.780
In terms of what people have said here on our survey, Carnell and Dell Grant were the 2 most popular choices from our listeners.

684
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:52.199
Um, and a couple of one-offs.

685
00:48:52.260 --> 00:48:54.539
Someone suggested Coza.

686
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:58.440
The dress sense, the weapons he could invent and he's even grumpier than the rest of the cast.

687
00:48:58.500 --> 00:49:01.619
Well, just so stupid. for Dana and there you go.

688
00:49:02.460 --> 00:49:06.000
Two people suggested the croupier from Gambit.

689
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:07.079
Oh, yeah.

690
00:49:07.139 --> 00:49:08.760
Oh, my...

691
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:17.340
Three people suggested grand tour with almost the same responses.

692
00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:22.920
Camp banter with Serverland. camp banter, just imagine the banter he'd have with Serverland every week.

693
00:49:24.360 --> 00:49:26.820
Three people suggested Beck.

694
00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:28.500
Four people suggested Provine.

695
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:29.760
Oh yeah.

696
00:49:29.820 --> 00:49:33.539
Two people suggested actually putting Travis on the Liberator.

697
00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:38.760
And a few one-offs, Thania, the fool, the keeper.

698
00:49:38.820 --> 00:49:41.039
Good at remembering people's phone numbers.

699
00:49:44.219 --> 00:49:46.980
Blake's clone for alarm.

700
00:49:47.820 --> 00:49:54.000
Kasabi's daughter, Veron, and this person has said, it's just madness to leave them behind.

701
00:49:54.059 --> 00:49:55.500
They have something to prove.

702
00:49:56.340 --> 00:50:00.059
Kasabi's daughter's name was...

703
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:02.400
No, her name is Janet from Vervoids.

704
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:05.159
Yeah.

705
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:12.239
Um, there, uh, someone suggested uh, Trooper Par from Triple...

706
00:50:12.300 --> 00:50:13.079
Trooper Park?

707
00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:13.739
Trooper Park?

708
00:50:14.699 --> 00:50:16.860
Inspiration to ABBA.

709
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:21.480
Someone suggested no one.

710
00:50:21.539 --> 00:50:22.980
No, no new regular.

711
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:25.079
That was Via Lorimer.

712
00:50:25.860 --> 00:50:30.900
Someone suggested Siobhan, but specifically Siobhan, not Travers.

713
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:40.619
There was a suggestion for Dirk and a suggestion for Governor LeGrand.

714
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:48.480
My most favourite chaotic suggestion and shout out if this is you, Inga, just to make things awkward.

715
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:54.840
Dude, she's your cousin.

716
00:50:54.900 --> 00:50:56.099
How many people?

717
00:50:56.219 --> 00:50:59.639
on that show and no one thought to say.

718
00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:03.900
She's your cousin in this scene, Gareth.

719
00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:12.179
Now that brings us to Snog, Mary, and also Snog, but she's your cousin.

720
00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:18.420
Simon.

721
00:51:19.019 --> 00:51:23.159
The Klute, Thania, and Toys.

722
00:51:23.219 --> 00:51:24.539
Oh, God.

723
00:51:24.659 --> 00:51:26.159
Which one's Thania?

724
00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:29.039
I, I, I, is, um, Tracy's lawyer.

725
00:51:29.099 --> 00:51:30.599
Oh.

726
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:32.219
And Toys is John Leeson.

727
00:51:32.340 --> 00:51:36.179
She said she's a backup time lord in Ark of Infinity.

728
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:37.320
Oh, there you go.

729
00:51:37.380 --> 00:51:37.980
Did not know that.

730
00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:40.980
No, no, no. character sounds like...

731
00:51:40.980 --> 00:51:41.460
Oh, I see.

732
00:51:41.579 --> 00:51:43.500
Time lady, sorry.

733
00:51:43.619 --> 00:51:54.480
Obviously, I'm marrying Ziklute because he, you know, he's, apart from one unfortunate incident, he's obviously won lots of money on his, on his game.

734
00:51:55.139 --> 00:51:58.679
And, uh, maybe, you know, after he, he's, he's lost it.

735
00:51:58.739 --> 00:52:00.539
Hopefully I'll just inherit.

736
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:02.099
So that sounds good.

737
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:07.199
I think I'm probably snogging John Leeson, I have to say.

738
00:52:07.260 --> 00:52:14.460
And then also, but but yet also Snogging Thania, yet she's my cousin because, you know, that's just like.

739
00:52:14.519 --> 00:52:20.699
I mean, John Leeson is always, is always so deliciously sweet in everything he's in as a human. isn't he?

740
00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:22.739
Sometimes he's a bit of a dog.

741
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:25.199
Sometimes he's a bit of dog.

742
00:52:25.260 --> 00:52:31.320
But when he's in when he's in human form, He's actually got this lovely way he acts.

743
00:52:31.380 --> 00:52:35.880
I think he's, he's, he, we miss it as canine, I fear.

744
00:52:35.940 --> 00:52:38.039
It's twinkly, isn't he?

745
00:52:38.099 --> 00:52:40.320
It's very twistly, very sweet.

746
00:52:40.380 --> 00:52:43.980
I think he'd be a lovely, just a lovely person to be around.

747
00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:45.360
Or maybe I should marry him.

748
00:52:46.019 --> 00:52:47.579
No, no, American.

749
00:52:47.699 --> 00:52:54.420
Simon, I think you're right to marry the glute because you wouldn't want for storage space because Ziklut would offer you a draw.

750
00:52:57.119 --> 00:52:59.280
Oh, Peter.

751
00:52:59.820 --> 00:53:02.159
Oh, good Lord.

752
00:53:05.219 --> 00:53:12.300
Well, with that evil joke, it seems a good time to talk about our backup villains this season.

753
00:53:12.780 --> 00:53:22.500
Now, I'm going to do this slightly differently, and rather than ask you each for your favourite secondary villain this season or secondary antagonist.

754
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:27.300
I want to ask each of you, who is your least favourite?

755
00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:34.139
So we're not including Servoland and Travis because they're recurring, but anyone else who's an antagonist is fair game.

756
00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:37.980
So Pete, I'm going to ask you first.

757
00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:40.199
Oh, that's a tough one.

758
00:53:40.260 --> 00:53:45.539
I have, I, and I'm going to tell you if our listeners agree.

759
00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:56.460
I want to say the guy on the planet in Horizon, who's not the leader of the planet of the horizon people, but who's the grumpy federation guy.

760
00:53:56.579 --> 00:53:58.980
Yeah, the Commissist.

761
00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:00.719
He's just sprung into my mind.

762
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:08.159
And in a way, he's in the valley between the ones who are awesome and the ones who are entertainingly, chaotically not exactly awesome.

763
00:54:08.219 --> 00:54:14.639
He's just a bit forgettable and so that's why I imagine he has sprung to my mind when I think about my least favourite.

764
00:54:14.699 --> 00:54:19.800
He's not terrible, but he's just sort of there, and I'd rather prefer terrible to just sort of there.

765
00:54:20.340 --> 00:54:22.500
I'm shocked and appalled.

766
00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:23.400
I'm shocked.

767
00:54:24.300 --> 00:54:32.219
Well, Pete, I can tell you that you've disappointed 2 of our listeners who are the 2 who voted the Commissar as their favourite.

768
00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:33.840
God, that was me.

769
00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:36.119
Good old Thomasar.

770
00:54:36.179 --> 00:54:37.800
It might have been me as well actually.

771
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:41.579
It's a very Simon thing.

772
00:54:42.179 --> 00:54:45.420
You silent always ganging up at everyone else.

773
00:54:46.139 --> 00:54:50.460
Well, in that case, you disappointed none of our listeners.

774
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:55.380
Just disappointed.

775
00:54:55.380 --> 00:54:56.039
Silent majority.

776
00:54:56.219 --> 00:55:00.719
You voted 100% of the Simons who contribute to this podcast.

777
00:55:03.780 --> 00:55:06.659
I suppose we should go to one of them next then.

778
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:08.940
Cy, who's your least favourite?

779
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:11.219
This is a really tough question.

780
00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:18.840
I think for me. because I am not a fan of the episode, I'm going to go for tinus.

781
00:55:18.900 --> 00:55:22.320
Oh, he's well played.

782
00:55:22.380 --> 00:55:35.880
Nothing about killer really gels for me and I know this is a very, I heard your episode and I know how much, how loved it is, but I'm, it's just such a by the numbers character.

783
00:55:35.940 --> 00:55:44.880
He's an old friend of Avon's who turns out to be betraying him to the federation and just feels a bit hackneyed.

784
00:55:44.940 --> 00:55:47.400
He's very well played by Ronald Lacy.

785
00:55:47.460 --> 00:55:50.579
I can't fault that at all, but it doesn't quite work for me.

786
00:55:50.639 --> 00:55:51.840
That's fair enough.

787
00:55:51.900 --> 00:55:53.340
We count him as a villain, really.

788
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:57.059
I suppose just because he's betraying that...

789
00:55:57.119 --> 00:55:58.019
Yeah, I think.

790
00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:03.900
I did actually wonder that when I was putting together the survey, which is why I then put in antagonist.

791
00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:05.880
You know, because...

792
00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:06.480
There you go.

793
00:56:06.539 --> 00:56:06.780
Yes.

794
00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:07.079
Yeah.

795
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:08.940
Yeah, I see your point there.

796
00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:20.639
And, you know, as much as I, as much as I really like, killer, um, so I, I do have to say having seen Roland Lacey in other things, especially his turns in the Avengers.

797
00:56:20.699 --> 00:56:22.079
Yes.

798
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:23.460
In the Joker.

799
00:56:23.460 --> 00:56:24.719
In the Joker.

800
00:56:24.780 --> 00:56:28.679
I was actually a little disappointed with how straight he plays Titus.

801
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:35.880
But then again, you know, the episode does call for it, but even then Bellfriar is such a standout character in that episode.

802
00:56:35.940 --> 00:56:38.159
Actually, yeah, I don't know.

803
00:56:38.219 --> 00:56:42.539
I said this on the episode with the hope that Pete might hear it, but he may not have heard it yet.

804
00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:43.559
Be an idiot.

805
00:56:43.619 --> 00:56:49.260
Are you aware of remind me, the actor who played Benny in...

806
00:56:49.260 --> 00:56:50.340
Oh, yes, him, isn't it?

807
00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:51.179
Yeah.

808
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:52.380
It's him, yes.

809
00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:53.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

810
00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:54.780
And he's really good.

811
00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:56.460
I need...

812
00:56:56.460 --> 00:56:57.480
Yes.

813
00:56:57.539 --> 00:56:59.940
It's all obviously. always really good.

814
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:03.840
And he's got, I'm going blanking on his name.

815
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:06.179
Because it's the same name as somebody else.

816
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:08.159
Oh, it's Cole.

817
00:57:08.219 --> 00:57:11.099
I mean, the actor's name, sorry, which you just said a minute ago.

818
00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:13.739
Yes, yeah, he's Colin Farrell.

819
00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:14.219
Colin Farrell.

820
00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:14.579
Yeah.

821
00:57:14.579 --> 00:57:14.760
Yeah.

822
00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:16.380
The other Colin Farrell.

823
00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:17.099
Yeah.

824
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:18.960
The original Colin Harris.

825
00:57:19.019 --> 00:57:20.340
The original, you must say.

826
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:23.280
Ends up in Hells are getting expected in a few other things like that as well.

827
00:57:23.340 --> 00:57:23.940
Yeah, yeah.

828
00:57:24.659 --> 00:57:26.280
Class act.

829
00:57:26.400 --> 00:57:28.739
I just wanted to see your face when I said it.

830
00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:29.820
Yeah, the penny hadn't dropped.

831
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:31.559
Penny had not dropped.

832
00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:35.460
It lit up with joy and that's exactly what I needed.

833
00:57:35.579 --> 00:57:37.380
Thank you very much.

834
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:38.820
James.

835
00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:41.760
Your least favourite villain or antagonist.

836
00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:45.960
Look, I'm going to say, I'm going to say the cremos.

837
00:57:46.019 --> 00:57:49.500
Because they didn't stop Blake kissing his cousin.

838
00:57:52.139 --> 00:57:55.800
Can I just say, ding, ding, ding.

839
00:57:55.860 --> 00:57:58.500
Moloch and the Crimo's got one vote.

840
00:57:59.880 --> 00:58:01.559
Her favourite.

841
00:58:01.619 --> 00:58:02.519
Was that anyone here?

842
00:58:03.659 --> 00:58:07.199
So you've only disappointed one listener, James.

843
00:58:07.260 --> 00:58:12.059
And for that listener, James's Twitter handle is at 0 James Sandwood.

844
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:18.599
No, I agree.

845
00:58:18.659 --> 00:58:21.059
They are incredibly, incredibly disappointing.

846
00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:24.059
And also it means that Brian Croucher has to stand in a quarry.

847
00:58:24.179 --> 00:58:27.000
Yeah, they're criminally disappointing.

848
00:58:27.059 --> 00:58:28.380
Criminally disappointing.

849
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:29.219
But yeah.

850
00:58:29.219 --> 00:58:30.239
Crimos.

851
00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:36.480
You see, that's why I couldn't make them my least favourite because without them, that wouldn't happen.

852
00:58:36.539 --> 00:58:39.059
And so that's why it's like, you can't take them away.

853
00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:48.659
Yeah, it's like, you know, sometimes you go pick the exact moment we're enacted at society's not going to continue with the show and it's like, yeah, I think I think it's Brian.

854
00:58:48.719 --> 00:58:53.159
I think it's Brian Croucher at 3 AM in a quarry screaming Cremos.

855
00:58:54.059 --> 00:58:55.800
Thank you.

856
00:58:55.860 --> 00:58:57.719
That's when he decided to destroy all of humanity.

857
00:58:57.780 --> 00:58:59.579
Understandably.

858
00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:01.380
Who wrote hostage?

859
00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:01.980
Oh, yeah.

860
00:59:04.260 --> 00:59:07.199
Simon, who is your least favourite?

861
00:59:07.380 --> 00:59:23.579
I'm going to go for Bruce Purchase in the keeper because it's a terrible episode and he's big and over the top, but in a way which is sort of not suitable to the way the episode is otherwise being portrayed.

862
00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:26.699
So he feels almost totally out of place for me.

863
00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:28.559
You know, love him in pirate plant.

864
00:59:28.619 --> 00:59:29.699
Hate him in this.

865
00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:31.739
Yeah, I think I think I'd agree with you.

866
00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:33.300
Yeah, for your reasoning. absolutely.

867
00:59:33.420 --> 00:59:35.880
Thank you very much And Peter?

868
00:59:35.940 --> 00:59:38.760
I think I must be the only person who quite likes the keeper.

869
00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:41.639
Yes, you are the only fan.

870
00:59:41.639 --> 00:59:43.860
Good.

871
00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:47.099
I mean, with all the usual caveats that it is Alan Pryor, et cetera.

872
00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:47.699
I think it's okay.

873
00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:53.940
Anyway, I'm going to go for Chevedic in Gambit because I think he is fucking awful.

874
00:59:55.260 --> 00:59:57.239
He's just...

875
00:59:57.239 --> 00:59:57.960
What did you call me?

876
00:59:58.260 --> 01:00:11.099
He's played by Bill Filer from the Claws of Axos, and he's played as a straight down the line villain, and he eats every line that he delivers, especially when he's talking to Cheney. and he's just terrible.

877
01:00:12.059 --> 01:00:14.699
Yeah Actually, I may have changed.

878
01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:15.000
Okay.

879
01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:20.579
You know, that's interesting because I was sure I wrote Chevedic into the thing.

880
01:00:20.579 --> 01:00:23.519
And so either he didn't get any votes or I forgot to write him in.

881
01:00:23.579 --> 01:00:25.920
Maybe you were just being a Chevadick.

882
01:00:25.980 --> 01:00:27.059
Maybe yes, maybe I was.

883
01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:28.860
Now yeah.

884
01:00:28.860 --> 01:00:29.579
No, he's in there.

885
01:00:29.639 --> 01:00:30.960
Oh, okay, good.

886
01:00:31.019 --> 01:00:31.860
Good, good.

887
01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:36.539
So yeah, he he, so Chevadick is actually our last place spot.

888
01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:39.599
People don't like him at all, followed by Moloch and the Crimos.

889
01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:44.880
Tinus and Commissar both get 2 each for popularity.

890
01:00:44.940 --> 01:00:53.820
Their next is Gola and the altars, which, um, actually, I think I saw their Eurovision entry for Bosnia Hetzegovinia.

891
01:00:56.639 --> 01:01:03.960
Then we've got Coza and Stotton the Andromedans with 5 points each.

892
01:01:04.139 --> 01:01:06.780
And then it's a big jump.

893
01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:15.119
Largo and the Pter Nostra got 11 votes. beaten only by Provine, who got 16 votes.

894
01:01:15.179 --> 01:01:22.679
And 4 of our survey respondents also wanted Provone to join the crew for him to kind of say, oh, I'll tell you where it is, but you have to take me with you.

895
01:01:22.739 --> 01:01:24.300
I'll kill you on the way.

896
01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:25.320
And I'll kill you on the web.

897
01:01:25.380 --> 01:01:28.559
Did they decide this by themselves or was there some form of persuasion?

898
01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:34.800
You'd have to enlighten me.

899
01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:38.039
You may keep the pencil.

900
01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:40.139
That's a great line.

901
01:01:40.980 --> 01:01:42.420
Right.

902
01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:49.739
So it is time for Snog, marry, get marked with...

903
01:01:49.860 --> 01:01:53.639
And this one is for you, Pete.

904
01:01:53.699 --> 01:01:54.179
Okay.

905
01:01:54.179 --> 01:01:55.440
Gola?

906
01:01:55.619 --> 01:01:58.320
Kasabi or Beck?

907
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:04.860
Well, Bruce Purges is getting my Emmy pack from a long range straight away.

908
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:06.840
I do just find them really annoying.

909
01:02:06.900 --> 01:02:07.260
Sorry.

910
01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:09.599
I think...

911
01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:11.340
Oh, well, Mary Kasabi.

912
01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:13.079
No, or do I want to start back?

913
01:02:13.139 --> 01:02:15.780
No, I think yeah, Mary Kasabi.

914
01:02:15.900 --> 01:02:18.360
And that means it's not Beck.

915
01:02:18.420 --> 01:02:19.260
Buddy Fault.

916
01:02:19.739 --> 01:02:21.119
Yes.

917
01:02:22.380 --> 01:02:25.139
I agree with all those decisions.

918
01:02:29.579 --> 01:02:35.579
Right, so it's time to talk about the individual episodes of this season.

919
01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:41.760
And I would like to say that every single episode from the season got a vote.

920
01:02:41.820 --> 01:02:45.119
Not all of them got the best, though.

921
01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:47.280
I thought you were going to say I would like to, but of course.

922
01:02:47.579 --> 01:02:49.139
However.

923
01:02:49.440 --> 01:02:53.880
Yeah, I pity the person who thought hostage was actually the best episode of the season.

924
01:02:55.739 --> 01:02:59.880
Now, I think we should start with the worst episode of the season.

925
01:02:59.880 --> 01:03:09.659
And how I'm going to score these, is I'm going to take the best votes and subtract the worst votes to give us an overall numerical title, overall numerical score.

926
01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:17.880
So at -14 points, with 15 worst episodes and only one best episode is voice from the past.

927
01:03:19.440 --> 01:03:26.699
The voice from the past, if nothing else, is supremely entertaining, if incredibly dumb.

928
01:03:28.619 --> 01:03:31.019
Yes, it has serve land.

929
01:03:31.139 --> 01:03:32.579
Best eye after ever.

930
01:03:32.639 --> 01:03:34.320
Here on the big screen.

931
01:03:34.380 --> 01:03:39.179
How can any episode where that happens be the worst episode of anything?

932
01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:42.119
Indeed, a shrewd maxim, Si.

933
01:03:42.179 --> 01:03:43.980
I love that on that big screen.

934
01:03:44.039 --> 01:03:48.960
The bit of the server interjection. can clearly say that it's obviously projected cinematically projected.

935
01:03:49.019 --> 01:03:55.199
So she's actually gone into a film studio, serverland, like this is this is re-rationalizing what's actually happened in this world.

936
01:03:55.260 --> 01:03:59.340
And she's been filmed in front of a film camera, giving her answers to gov Lola Grant.

937
01:03:59.400 --> 01:04:06.300
And then someone's in the projection booth, actually projecting out all of her answers on reels, which I think is possibly her most dastardly theme.

938
01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:09.659
In a different costume to the rest of the episode as well.

939
01:04:09.719 --> 01:04:10.920
So she obviously has.

940
01:04:11.460 --> 01:04:15.780
It's phenomenal. before the rest of the episode.

941
01:04:19.619 --> 01:04:22.079
She's space pirate.

942
01:04:24.059 --> 01:04:35.099
It's just so weird that you could think that voice from the past is the worst episode of the season because even though it is objectively terrible in so many ways, it's clearly not the least entertaining episode.

943
01:04:35.159 --> 01:04:36.840
No, no, definitely not.

944
01:04:36.900 --> 01:04:37.739
Exactly, yeah.

945
01:04:37.800 --> 01:04:39.360
Although it's fun.

946
01:04:39.420 --> 01:04:40.500
It's not great.

947
01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:43.440
Could I get an idea at 321?

948
01:04:43.500 --> 01:04:48.840
So next time I do that, what the least entertaining episode we all think is.

949
01:04:48.900 --> 01:04:53.340
So three, two, one, the keys.

950
01:04:56.400 --> 01:04:59.159
I heard hostage and the keeper and one other one.

951
01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:01.139
That was me saying redemption, I think.

952
01:05:02.820 --> 01:05:08.880
It was just 45 minutes of Terry Nation digging out of his made up cliffhanger from the previous episode.

953
01:05:11.280 --> 01:05:15.659
We'll see if redemption's score reflects that when we get there.

954
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:23.039
I will say in terms of score, as we move up the ladder, it goes the keeper with -11 and then hostage with -9.

955
01:05:24.659 --> 01:05:28.019
So it's much of a much less...

956
01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:34.380
I mean, when I think about hostage, I just, yeah, the question I asked myself about hostage is what was the point?

957
01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:36.719
What was the point of that?

958
01:05:36.780 --> 01:05:38.400
Hostage is one of those episodes.

959
01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:40.260
I sort of watched 3 quarters of the way into it.

960
01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:42.599
I'm going, I just don't care.

961
01:05:42.659 --> 01:05:45.960
I just don't care about anything that's going on and that's not a good sign.

962
01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:50.579
Running around the location, stuck in a room, more running around on location, up we go.

963
01:05:51.179 --> 01:05:53.400
And stalking your cousin.

964
01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:59.699
Next up, and not very far off, is Horizon, which got no favourite.

965
01:05:59.940 --> 01:06:02.579
And 7 worst votes.

966
01:06:02.579 --> 01:06:05.400
And I'm like, I don't think it's that bad.

967
01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:10.860
I think it suffers from the horror movie thing of, oh, we haven't heard from our friends.

968
01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:15.239
Let's all go look for them and get taken prisoner.

969
01:06:15.300 --> 01:06:16.440
It suffers a bit from that.

970
01:06:16.500 --> 01:06:20.760
But I think it actually has interesting things to say about colonialism.

971
01:06:20.820 --> 01:06:24.360
Yes, this podcast's official view is very much at odds with that.

972
01:06:24.420 --> 01:06:26.039
Yeah, absolutely.

973
01:06:26.099 --> 01:06:26.940
It's funny.

974
01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:32.579
I almost voted for Horizon thinking that I bet Horizon does badly, but I voted for killer is my favourite instead.

975
01:06:32.639 --> 01:06:37.559
Now I should have feel I should have voted for Horizon, but I think it's really, really good.

976
01:06:37.619 --> 01:06:45.480
You know, I can get that some people sort of don't like it and it is quite different from a lot of other black seven, but I just think it's sublime.

977
01:06:45.539 --> 01:06:46.559
Mostly.

978
01:06:46.619 --> 01:06:49.079
That is the spectacular Avon episode.

979
01:06:49.139 --> 01:06:52.679
He's really well written in that episode.

980
01:06:52.739 --> 01:06:54.960
Yes, the way he works through.

981
01:06:55.019 --> 01:07:01.679
The way he works through working out whether he can escape by himself, I just think is awesome, is so nicely done.

982
01:07:01.739 --> 01:07:06.480
Yeah, he runs the numbers and decides not to imagine everyone.

983
01:07:06.539 --> 01:07:08.639
Yeah, it's beautifully directed.

984
01:07:08.699 --> 01:07:09.239
Really.

985
01:07:09.300 --> 01:07:11.099
Jonathan Wright Miller was excellent.

986
01:07:11.219 --> 01:07:17.280
Yeah, like the, you know, the jungle scenes work, you know, the lighting is great.

987
01:07:17.400 --> 01:07:19.860
It's actually really atmospheric.

988
01:07:19.980 --> 01:07:28.440
Yeah, and even the purple uniforms are like stylish and good in a way that lakes having uniforms often are a little bit more wacky.

989
01:07:28.500 --> 01:07:30.780
Yeah, and the performances are universally excellent.

990
01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:43.320
And also, those dialogue scenes, um, you know, between the Commissar and Row are just so beautifully done, and and Darren and Gardia is such a great actor, uh, and tragically lost too early.

991
01:07:43.380 --> 01:07:45.599
Just beautiful, beautifully done.

992
01:07:45.659 --> 01:07:50.820
And I love the fact, which I certainly absurd, but it's worth restating that the music is relatively minimalist in it.

993
01:07:50.880 --> 01:07:54.780
Uh, and I think that's, uh, can only be a good thing.

994
01:07:54.840 --> 01:07:59.880
Yeah, so any of our listeners out there who did vote for Horizon as being the worst episode of the season.

995
01:07:59.940 --> 01:08:07.559
Please go and listen to our podcast where all 4 of us came in and didn't just say this is better than we thought, all thought this is actually really good.

996
01:08:07.679 --> 01:08:11.699
Except poor David Jackson who had to be written in at the last minute, so he gets chained to a wall.

997
01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:14.219
Wow.

998
01:08:14.820 --> 01:08:20.100
Um, Coming up next with minus two.

999
01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:24.479
So no best episodes and 2 worst episode scores is weapon.

1000
01:08:25.319 --> 01:08:27.300
Yeah, that's fair enough.

1001
01:08:27.359 --> 01:08:29.279
It's average, isn't it?

1002
01:08:29.340 --> 01:08:39.000
Yeah, it's quite interesting that you say that, you know, you've only got, like, there are only 2 votes there, 2 negative votes. not because a whole lot of people voted it best and a whole lot of people voted it worse.

1003
01:08:39.060 --> 01:08:39.840
So it's not divisive.

1004
01:08:39.899 --> 01:08:42.960
It's just that most people just aren't thinking about it at all.

1005
01:08:43.020 --> 01:08:45.720
It's yeah, it's a generic episode.

1006
01:08:45.779 --> 01:08:49.619
And that's and that's not a I'm not using that word utterly derisively.

1007
01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:50.460
Negatively, yeah.

1008
01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:54.060
No, I mean, maybe there's a bit of, I mean, It's a middling end.

1009
01:08:54.119 --> 01:08:54.720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1010
01:08:54.779 --> 01:08:55.560
It's right.

1011
01:08:55.619 --> 01:09:04.859
It introduces some great concepts that they don't ever come back to like the psycho strategists and the clone masters, and IMIPAC.

1012
01:09:04.920 --> 01:09:06.600
I mean, yes.

1013
01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:09.000
Did Emma Pack disappear without a trace?

1014
01:09:09.060 --> 01:09:11.399
I thought it, um, you could buy it in your local case.

1015
01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:15.239
I put someone just before recording.

1016
01:09:15.300 --> 01:09:16.859
It's been clearing up nice.

1017
01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:18.840
I wonder what that big red dot was.

1018
01:09:19.079 --> 01:09:21.539
You can get own brand version.

1019
01:09:21.600 --> 01:09:22.680
It's cheaper.

1020
01:09:22.920 --> 01:09:26.279
But is it the most stupid weapon ever invented?

1021
01:09:26.340 --> 01:09:30.899
I mean, because, like, does it kills does it kill everyone when you press the button?

1022
01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:32.039
Anyway, that's for the episode.

1023
01:09:32.100 --> 01:09:33.060
Yeah.

1024
01:09:33.119 --> 01:09:40.260
As Nathan is fond of saying, it's this wonderful weapon, whereas actually, maybe if you push the button on a weapon, it should just kill someone.

1025
01:09:43.199 --> 01:09:47.640
They could have killed Blake and Avon and Gan.

1026
01:09:47.640 --> 01:09:49.859
Because they all stand there.

1027
01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:51.479
Get shot by EmmyPack.

1028
01:09:52.380 --> 01:09:55.979
Well, they stand there waiting for the special effect to live.

1029
01:09:56.760 --> 01:10:00.420
And pause and walk.

1030
01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:08.159
I don't see a base dragon's den with someone coming in and pitching this.

1031
01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:15.600
It's kind of like what Scott Evil says to Dr. Evil in the Austin Powers movies.

1032
01:10:15.659 --> 01:10:19.199
It's like, why are you locking him in the easily escapable room without cameras?

1033
01:10:19.260 --> 01:10:20.279
I have a gun.

1034
01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:21.420
Let's go kill him.

1035
01:10:21.479 --> 01:10:22.500
Father and son.

1036
01:10:22.560 --> 01:10:23.100
It'll be fun.

1037
01:10:23.220 --> 01:10:24.359
Let's.

1038
01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:28.380
But no, no, because we need we need to fill 50 minutes of drama.

1039
01:10:28.439 --> 01:10:31.260
I, you know, drama.

1040
01:10:31.260 --> 01:10:31.979
Drama.

1041
01:10:35.100 --> 01:10:45.239
I still think that Gareth Thomas's approach to playing the clone of himself is him going, well, I'm only getting 11 fee for this episode.

1042
01:10:45.300 --> 01:10:47.340
I'll give him one performance.

1043
01:10:47.399 --> 01:10:50.159
Thank you, across 2 characters. performance.

1044
01:10:50.220 --> 01:10:50.579
Yeah.

1045
01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:53.159
Yeah, and Blake gets the note.

1046
01:10:55.800 --> 01:11:11.100
Now, we move into, well, almost into positive numbers, and Pete, this slightly vindicates something you were saying earlier, redemption got one best vote and one worst vote, giving it an overall score of zero.

1047
01:11:14.460 --> 01:11:17.039
Yeah, I mean, maybe I'm being harsh.

1048
01:11:17.100 --> 01:11:20.699
But, but there's so much, there's so much tantalising stuff about it.

1049
01:11:20.760 --> 01:11:24.600
Finally, we discover who invented the liberator and they've got another one.

1050
01:11:24.659 --> 01:11:25.859
Have they got dozens?

1051
01:11:25.920 --> 01:11:27.359
We don't know, it doesn't matter.

1052
01:11:27.420 --> 01:11:28.079
Look, there we are.

1053
01:11:28.140 --> 01:11:30.180
So it's lost his cliffhanger all wrapped up.

1054
01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:30.899
Can we go home now?

1055
01:11:30.960 --> 01:11:31.739
No, Terry.

1056
01:11:31.800 --> 01:11:33.180
This script is only 20 minutes long.

1057
01:11:33.239 --> 01:11:34.319
It needs more stuff in it.

1058
01:11:34.380 --> 01:11:36.600
It is what I'm hearing in my mind.

1059
01:11:36.659 --> 01:11:37.319
It's exciting.

1060
01:11:37.439 --> 01:11:39.000
This redemption, more redemption-ish.

1061
01:11:39.060 --> 01:11:40.380
Yeah, it's a good example.

1062
01:11:40.439 --> 01:11:42.420
It's a very good example of unfulfilled promise.

1063
01:11:42.479 --> 01:11:45.000
I am so fond of redemption. love it.

1064
01:11:45.060 --> 01:11:48.000
Just because of space battan and space gazian.

1065
01:11:48.060 --> 01:11:50.159
Not just because of them. good enough.

1066
01:11:50.220 --> 01:11:50.699
What it got?

1067
01:11:50.760 --> 01:11:51.600
What am I missing?

1068
01:11:51.659 --> 01:11:56.340
Space, Space minor Bert as well.

1069
01:11:56.399 --> 01:11:58.439
I think positioned space minor.

1070
01:11:58.560 --> 01:12:00.359
Oh, of course, yes.

1071
01:12:00.420 --> 01:12:03.239
I don't know, it's just so much fun.

1072
01:12:03.300 --> 01:12:05.579
I've been, that's what I like.

1073
01:12:05.579 --> 01:12:08.939
I don't mind it. funkus ideas and there's lots of running around.

1074
01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:11.640
There's lots of explosion, lots of action.

1075
01:12:11.699 --> 01:12:16.859
And somehow, sometimes you just want a big dumb space adventure.

1076
01:12:16.859 --> 01:12:20.579
And that's a great way to start your series off.

1077
01:12:20.640 --> 01:12:22.020
It's really pacy.

1078
01:12:22.079 --> 01:12:23.279
It's nicely directed.

1079
01:12:23.340 --> 01:12:24.960
I think it's just just fun.

1080
01:12:25.380 --> 01:12:36.239
It also has the 2nd best scene in all of Blake 7 when the outer bumbling guards teleport onto the liberator, only to get teleported back and blow up their own command centre.

1081
01:12:36.359 --> 01:12:39.420
Why is that any the 2nd best scene, Peter?

1082
01:12:39.539 --> 01:12:41.159
The best is to come.

1083
01:12:43.439 --> 01:12:46.199
Something I also love in redemption.

1084
01:12:46.260 --> 01:12:51.479
And the weird thing about redemption was because I'd only seen like the 1st few episodes of series B before this watch.

1085
01:12:51.539 --> 01:12:59.760
I had it in my head that redemption was 2 episodes because there's just so much in it, but somehow, you know, they do cram it all into 50 minutes.

1086
01:12:59.819 --> 01:13:04.500
But at the end when they're making their escape and there's explosions going off, Paul Darrow falls over.

1087
01:13:04.500 --> 01:13:10.439
And so Jan Chapel sort of runs to help him up, but he waves her off.

1088
01:13:10.500 --> 01:13:14.159
And I get the impression that I'm like, because then he runs towards camera.

1089
01:13:14.220 --> 01:13:15.300
Okay, that wasn't a stunt double.

1090
01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:21.000
If that was deliberate, that would have been a stunt double doing the fall and then you cut and you see Avon's face.

1091
01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:22.560
Okay, that was a blooper.

1092
01:13:22.619 --> 01:13:23.460
Yeah, yeah.

1093
01:13:23.520 --> 01:13:27.659
So Darrow falls over and Jan is going, 0 my god, are you okay?

1094
01:13:27.720 --> 01:13:28.979
He's like, don't wreck the shot.

1095
01:13:29.039 --> 01:13:32.340
This took like 3 hours to set up and he gets up and carries on running.

1096
01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:39.420
And I just think that, and it gives the episode a wonderful urgency because, you know, Villa falling over. you go, yeah, of course.

1097
01:13:39.479 --> 01:13:41.279
Avon falling over.

1098
01:13:41.340 --> 01:13:42.420
It's like, no this shit's real.

1099
01:13:42.720 --> 01:13:45.720
It makes it, it does make it seem so much more real.

1100
01:13:45.779 --> 01:13:49.260
Like, then, you know, they manage to continue on with that shot.

1101
01:13:49.500 --> 01:13:58.079
It's not quite the guy running at the end of 1917 and falling over a couple of times and keep going with the shot, but you know, I acknowledge it.

1102
01:13:59.399 --> 01:14:19.800
I will say, though, something that tarnishes redemption for me somewhat is, I knew the basic structure of the season, and I thought the system attacked the Federation at the end of the season, and finding out it's these aliens we've never heard of, as interesting as they are, was just kind of like, oh.

1103
01:14:19.859 --> 01:14:22.020
Yeah, your idea is better.

1104
01:14:22.140 --> 01:14:25.619
I would have paid to have seen Space Cassia with her pizza army.

1105
01:14:27.659 --> 01:14:30.239
It's not the system.

1106
01:14:30.300 --> 01:14:33.720
It's Pizza Hut. tax at the end of the season.

1107
01:14:33.779 --> 01:14:35.039
Oh, dominoes.

1108
01:14:35.100 --> 01:14:35.939
No, it's dominoes.

1109
01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:38.819
You're order in 30000000 years or it's free?

1110
01:14:40.140 --> 01:14:42.539
Because it's coming from Andromet.

1111
01:14:42.600 --> 01:14:47.220
Anyway, um...

1112
01:14:47.279 --> 01:14:49.260
So getting into positive numbers now.

1113
01:14:49.979 --> 01:14:54.659
With 2 best votes apiece and no worst votes.

1114
01:14:54.720 --> 01:14:57.000
We have countdown and pressure point.

1115
01:14:57.060 --> 01:14:58.800
Ooh, Terry National Hood.

1116
01:14:58.859 --> 01:15:00.119
And I, yeah.

1117
01:15:00.180 --> 01:15:07.439
I think they're a really interesting combo to put together because both of them introduce major character motivations.

1118
01:15:08.220 --> 01:15:18.119
Gan's death is a major character of innovation for Blake and Anna Grant and Dale Grant will be built on later for Avon, but it does hark back to what we know of Avon as well.

1119
01:15:18.180 --> 01:15:25.199
They're obviously not the most popular episode of the season, which we'll come to, but they're reasonably popular with people.

1120
01:15:25.260 --> 01:15:26.640
I actually voted for Countdown.

1121
01:15:26.699 --> 01:15:28.500
Countdown was my favourite episode of the season.

1122
01:15:28.859 --> 01:15:30.779
I like Countdown.

1123
01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:33.000
I think Countdown is a very solid episode.

1124
01:15:33.060 --> 01:15:36.180
I'm not as much of a fan of pressure point.

1125
01:15:36.239 --> 01:15:39.600
I just find it, it's that style of Blake 7 that I just don't care about.

1126
01:15:39.659 --> 01:15:44.699
But yeah, countdown, I think, is really quite engaging and he's got some really great moments.

1127
01:15:44.760 --> 01:15:49.560
Well, redemption countdown and pressure point, that trio of Terry Nation episodes.

1128
01:15:49.619 --> 01:15:56.399
It just goes to show that you get such a bum deal for having to write 13 episodes of a season and occasionally falling a little bit flat.

1129
01:15:56.460 --> 01:15:58.140
When he's just asked to write three.

1130
01:15:58.199 --> 01:16:01.739
They are all massive hits and we'll see that repeated again next year.

1131
01:16:01.800 --> 01:16:04.739
I think he's great and I think his episode's brilliant too.

1132
01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:05.220
Fight me.

1133
01:16:06.899 --> 01:16:09.840
Do you say fight me or bite me?

1134
01:16:09.899 --> 01:16:11.579
Both, James.

1135
01:16:11.640 --> 01:16:14.520
Peter's had this Terry Nation awakening.

1136
01:16:14.579 --> 01:16:16.500
It's kind of like a born again Christian.

1137
01:16:16.680 --> 01:16:21.479
He's kind of like always evangelising the great things that Terry Nation is capable of.

1138
01:16:21.539 --> 01:16:23.100
This is true.

1139
01:16:23.159 --> 01:16:28.979
This actually hit me in the last couple of years when I realised that we used to mock him for his troops and everything, but his troops were everything.

1140
01:16:29.039 --> 01:16:31.020
His troops made Doctor Who.

1141
01:16:31.079 --> 01:16:37.500
And when he's not asked to write 13 episodes bleak 7 a year, all of his bleak 7 episodes are brilliant, I'm totally on board with the nation.

1142
01:16:38.399 --> 01:16:49.979
The other thing is, with Terry Nation's tropes, his 3 episodes, there's no radiation, like no one's falling over because they've been irradiated. there's except for Jan Chapel and redemption.

1143
01:16:53.039 --> 01:16:56.460
No fictional characters, of all...

1144
01:16:58.380 --> 01:17:00.119
Oh, God.

1145
01:17:00.180 --> 01:17:01.140
Oh my god.

1146
01:17:01.140 --> 01:17:02.100
There is a countdown.

1147
01:17:02.159 --> 01:17:03.960
There is a countdown.

1148
01:17:04.199 --> 01:17:07.739
I'm just imagining attack of the 50 foot Jan Chapel.

1149
01:17:09.659 --> 01:17:12.840
But yeah, there's none of that.

1150
01:17:12.899 --> 01:17:16.260
There's no, I don't think there's any characters with like corruptions of his name.

1151
01:17:17.399 --> 01:17:22.380
Maybe he went to Chris Boucher and said, well, he's obviously, I think you're right, Peter.

1152
01:17:22.439 --> 01:17:28.319
He wants to push himself and feels he can because Boucher's saying, you know, I've got you.

1153
01:17:28.380 --> 01:17:29.220
I know how this works.

1154
01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:31.319
He's really impressive this season.

1155
01:17:31.380 --> 01:17:34.500
But you can't have the Daleks in the last 2 episodes. such a shame.

1156
01:17:34.560 --> 01:17:36.840
I mean, love him like I do and we will come to this.

1157
01:17:36.960 --> 01:17:40.079
I don't think Terry would have done a better job of Star one than Chris Boucher does.

1158
01:17:40.140 --> 01:17:46.680
No. probably Up after that, with 4 bests and one worst is trial.

1159
01:17:46.979 --> 01:17:48.359
Okay.

1160
01:17:48.420 --> 01:17:51.420
Yeah, I think trials are fascinating episode.

1161
01:17:51.479 --> 01:18:01.319
It's as close as the series gets to being a federation focussed episode rather than a Blake focussed episode that works for me.

1162
01:18:01.380 --> 01:18:05.640
And it's one of Jacqueline Pierce's very best performances, I think, as well.

1163
01:18:05.699 --> 01:18:08.939
She is superb throughout that episode.

1164
01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:16.800
For the way she plays Barnia and the way her demeanour changes when no one else is watching her is magnificent.

1165
01:18:16.920 --> 01:18:21.779
And then the way she's charming with Travis at the end when it's in the middle of the emergency.

1166
01:18:21.899 --> 01:18:25.560
It's a tour de force for Jacqueline Pierce.

1167
01:18:25.619 --> 01:18:28.560
And she looks so different when she's playing Zill down on the planet.

1168
01:18:29.880 --> 01:18:32.520
That is the weak part of the episode.

1169
01:18:32.579 --> 01:18:33.899
The whole the whole 0 thing.

1170
01:18:33.960 --> 01:18:36.479
In fact, I entirely forgotten that it's part of the same episode.

1171
01:18:36.539 --> 01:18:40.140
Yeah, I would literally start thinking, why would anyone have put this last?

1172
01:18:40.199 --> 01:18:42.300
And then I'd, oh, right, yeah, then.

1173
01:18:43.380 --> 01:18:46.319
They're both going, they're both going through a trial.

1174
01:18:46.380 --> 01:18:48.060
Yes, it's team actually.

1175
01:18:48.060 --> 01:18:49.319
To get away.

1176
01:18:49.380 --> 01:18:52.020
So many so many levels to that that time.

1177
01:18:52.920 --> 01:19:00.180
This almost feels a piece with the concept of the show, the beginning of series A. Yes.

1178
01:19:00.239 --> 01:19:01.800
Yeah, that world.

1179
01:19:01.800 --> 01:19:07.140
Space corridors, lots of bureau- sort of evil but bureaucratic evil.

1180
01:19:07.560 --> 01:19:15.239
Yeah, it's almost, is it the last time you get the, you know, the Peter Miles type characters who are, who are not thoroughly evil?

1181
01:19:15.300 --> 01:19:20.159
They're just kind of playing along with the regime for their own, you know, so that they have a quiet life.

1182
01:19:20.220 --> 01:19:22.140
Yeah, they're not fanatics.

1183
01:19:22.199 --> 01:19:23.640
They're not fanatics, yeah.

1184
01:19:23.699 --> 01:19:24.060
Yeah.

1185
01:19:24.119 --> 01:19:35.939
I always like episodes where Servline is having to do some Wheeler dealering and that she's not just being supreme, uninterrupted, but she's got to play people off against each other and that sort of thing. because Jack and Pierce is so good at playing that.

1186
01:19:36.779 --> 01:19:45.720
And it's so interesting that we do get this version of the Federation, only 2 episodes after we got the Horizon version, which is entirely different but equally fascinating.

1187
01:19:45.779 --> 01:19:47.579
Yeah. interesting.

1188
01:19:47.880 --> 01:19:56.699
Um, I'd like to point out that in the, do you have anything to say before the tribunal passes judgement of the survey?

1189
01:19:56.760 --> 01:20:01.380
Someone said trial would have been great if not for zill in that plot line.

1190
01:20:01.439 --> 01:20:09.539
No, no disrespect to the performance of the actress playing zeal, but just the concept and costume didn't work.

1191
01:20:09.600 --> 01:20:17.520
But for people wrote in, if I'm guilty of murder, of mass murder, then so are all of you.

1192
01:20:18.060 --> 01:20:21.840
Yeah, I will put my hand up and say, yes, that was me.

1193
01:20:22.800 --> 01:20:24.840
Well it wasn't just you.

1194
01:20:26.340 --> 01:20:28.920
Which just makes it extra brilliant.

1195
01:20:28.979 --> 01:20:29.939
Yes.

1196
01:20:29.939 --> 01:20:34.319
Like to at least 3 clones of side, pleasure on the federation.

1197
01:20:35.100 --> 01:20:45.239
One of the things I absolutely love about this show is that you will get plenty of people who will cite something as being the best thing about it and someone else will cite it as being the worst thing about it, the exact same line of dialogue.

1198
01:20:45.300 --> 01:20:46.800
It's fantastic.

1199
01:20:46.859 --> 01:20:52.859
Someone did actually say about trial that they think that Stephen Griff would not have been a good choice for it.

1200
01:20:52.920 --> 01:20:58.739
It needed someone like Brian Croucher who could go further, sort of go further with the more histrionic.

1201
01:20:58.800 --> 01:20:58.979
Yeah.

1202
01:20:59.039 --> 01:21:05.039
And also someone said, it's not Brian Crouch's fault, but I do think if you fix Travis, this would be the best season.

1203
01:21:05.159 --> 01:21:09.180
Alas, they should have killed Gan in deliverance and kept me Gaton.

1204
01:21:12.539 --> 01:21:28.859
Their logic for this is if she is a character with a stereotypical feminine role, but a subversive twist, that would leave room to develop Jenna and Callie Moore while also developing MeGat. put a lot of thoughts into that.

1205
01:21:28.920 --> 01:21:29.340
Yeah.

1206
01:21:29.399 --> 01:21:31.079
Oh, and also love the podcast.

1207
01:21:31.140 --> 01:21:31.920
Please don't stop there.

1208
01:21:31.979 --> 01:21:35.399
About 4 or 5 people in that section just wrote, really love what you're doing.

1209
01:21:35.460 --> 01:21:36.060
This is great.

1210
01:21:36.119 --> 01:21:38.039
Oh, thank you.

1211
01:21:38.039 --> 01:21:39.539
I should also...

1212
01:21:39.600 --> 01:21:41.760
At least 4 people actually like it.

1213
01:21:42.899 --> 01:21:46.560
Whether they still will after hearing these opinions is another matter.

1214
01:21:47.760 --> 01:21:51.840
And now I'm just as grateful for these 2 comments.

1215
01:21:51.960 --> 01:21:55.859
Um, which were actually in the who would you write out?

1216
01:21:55.920 --> 01:21:57.960
One of them was none of them.

1217
01:21:58.079 --> 01:21:59.100
How dare you?

1218
01:22:00.300 --> 01:22:02.340
And the other one was.

1219
01:22:02.399 --> 01:22:05.579
None of them this question can fuck off.

1220
01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:11.640
And that's the end of the podcast.

1221
01:22:12.359 --> 01:22:15.659
Oh, we still have a few more episodes too.

1222
01:22:15.659 --> 01:22:17.279
We do.

1223
01:22:17.520 --> 01:22:20.640
I'm glad they didn't take it as meaning the podcast.

1224
01:22:20.699 --> 01:22:21.840
I would write out Peter.

1225
01:22:23.220 --> 01:22:33.840
That's the question for the end of series series D. Has Mark even heard the sevenfold crown?

1226
01:22:36.479 --> 01:22:45.779
So coming up next is Shadow with 4 top votes and no bottom votes.

1227
01:22:45.840 --> 01:22:46.500
It is very good.

1228
01:22:46.560 --> 01:22:47.460
It is very good.

1229
01:22:47.520 --> 01:22:47.939
It is.

1230
01:22:47.939 --> 01:22:49.079
Yeah.

1231
01:22:49.140 --> 01:22:54.659
It's Chris Boucher let loose on the show that he works really hard on through the 1st series.

1232
01:22:54.720 --> 01:22:56.699
He just goes for it.

1233
01:22:56.760 --> 01:22:58.380
Yeah, it's a superb episode.

1234
01:22:58.439 --> 01:23:01.380
And he manages to give everyone something to do.

1235
01:23:01.439 --> 01:23:05.159
Like even even though Callie spends a lot of the episode locked up.

1236
01:23:05.220 --> 01:23:07.020
She's then crucial to the solution.

1237
01:23:07.079 --> 01:23:12.180
And as we've discussed before, Gann gets to be the moral centre, Villa is off having a drink.

1238
01:23:12.180 --> 01:23:16.680
And instead of it just being a comedy moment, it's actually what allows Callie to be put into peril.

1239
01:23:16.739 --> 01:23:18.060
Yeah, it's very clever.

1240
01:23:18.119 --> 01:23:20.039
Yeah, it's a really good Cali episode.

1241
01:23:20.100 --> 01:23:38.340
Simon, I was going to say, do you remember that about a year ago, you sent me a YouTube clip of the ABC news from 1979 in Australia, and you said, watch it through to the end, and I watched it through the end, and there was a brilliant ad for Blake 7 Space Adventure, which was Shadow, and it looked so exciting.

1242
01:23:38.520 --> 01:23:40.619
Yes, it was brilliant.

1243
01:23:40.739 --> 01:23:47.699
We now get into our top 3 episodes for the season, and this is true both of top votes.

1244
01:23:47.760 --> 01:23:53.220
So this is the 3 with the most top votes and once we subtract the worst votes as well.

1245
01:23:53.279 --> 01:23:59.760
And so coming up 1st with 6 tops and one worst, and we know who this is, it's killer.

1246
01:24:00.060 --> 01:24:06.960
I'm so glad you said 6 tops and not drops. would be a very different vodka.

1247
01:24:07.079 --> 01:24:09.180
I think you can get that at Freedom City.

1248
01:24:10.920 --> 01:24:13.920
That's what Villa was up to.

1249
01:24:13.979 --> 01:24:16.380
Oh, no, that's Space City.

1250
01:24:16.439 --> 01:24:18.000
I used to be in freedom.

1251
01:24:18.060 --> 01:24:18.840
How could you get them mixed up?

1252
01:24:18.899 --> 01:24:19.199
Sorry.

1253
01:24:19.260 --> 01:24:20.039
Sorry.

1254
01:24:20.279 --> 01:24:22.500
Disney World and Disneyland.

1255
01:24:22.560 --> 01:24:23.640
I don't know.

1256
01:24:23.699 --> 01:24:30.840
I have such a dislike of killer that I can't explain because technically everything is really good.

1257
01:24:30.899 --> 01:24:45.659
But for me, the problem is Robert Holmes is writing Blake like he's the 4th doctor and he's suddenly a know all, knows everything about history, knows everything about everything, and it really bugs me.

1258
01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:48.060
I think he's really mischaracterized.

1259
01:24:48.119 --> 01:24:52.020
He doesn't really care about Blake and Jenna and Cali.

1260
01:24:52.079 --> 01:24:56.159
There's nothing, nothing at all for Jenna and Callie to do in the episode.

1261
01:24:56.220 --> 01:25:00.119
It's an Avon and Villa episode, and I think it's all a bit of a waste.

1262
01:25:00.180 --> 01:25:11.880
And June Hudson goes to her operatic best to try and save it and even she misses the mark hugely and it just doesn't come together for me at all.

1263
01:25:11.939 --> 01:25:19.020
I do like Paul Damon and I do love the chilling ending where he just offhandedly says, I've forgotten how to read.

1264
01:25:19.079 --> 01:25:30.539
And it's funny and it's scary at the same time, but I'm not a big fan of Blake 7 as horror and it just doesn't all work for me, I'm afraid.

1265
01:25:30.600 --> 01:25:35.039
I mean, I disagree with you on whether this is a good episode because I love this episode.

1266
01:25:35.159 --> 01:25:38.340
But I do agree with you with the characterisation of Blake.

1267
01:25:38.399 --> 01:25:56.880
And I also find it really odd that you put, you put lines in the mouth of a character who, you know, is a space vigilante, which really should be in the mouth of the person who is like bacteriologist or, um, you know, a scientist and Blake is saying, oh, should switch off switch off the air conditioning.

1268
01:25:56.939 --> 01:26:01.079
Just to stop to stop the virus, like taking over the base.

1269
01:26:01.140 --> 01:26:04.260
It's like, this guy is a professional in his space.

1270
01:26:04.319 --> 01:26:05.340
Why isn't he saying?

1271
01:26:05.399 --> 01:26:06.840
Let's switch off the air conditioning.

1272
01:26:07.199 --> 01:26:21.479
I think we did say at the time we recorded it that we felt that Blake's role on the planet would have been much better with Callie, who during the course of the 1st season was as close to a dedicated medic as the ship had.

1273
01:26:21.479 --> 01:26:30.659
And just a few episodes ago in Horizon, she's the one who notices that everyone's feeling unwell, et cetera, et cetera. needs R&R, what have you?

1274
01:26:30.720 --> 01:26:31.560
Of course she does.

1275
01:26:31.619 --> 01:26:32.100
She's a lady.

1276
01:26:33.720 --> 01:26:37.680
Woo-woo, like telepathic powers, except when she doesn't.

1277
01:26:37.739 --> 01:26:52.199
But, you know, she's all, she's also the one who picks up that there's something on the ship at first, and she could have been watching the operating theatre, and instead of everyone just gasping when the thing gets up, she would have been able to go, hold on. there's something wrong They could have even just sent her down to the planet with Blake.

1278
01:26:52.260 --> 01:26:53.159
She didn't have to replace him.

1279
01:26:53.220 --> 01:26:54.060
They couldn't have both of them there.

1280
01:26:54.119 --> 01:26:55.020
It would have been much more interesting.

1281
01:26:55.079 --> 01:26:56.100
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1282
01:26:56.159 --> 01:27:02.520
I think it's possibly one of those instances because we haven't had something like this before on Blake 7 and I don't know if we get anything like it again.

1283
01:27:02.579 --> 01:27:05.880
I think it's a bit like Caves of Andresani in, again, Robert Holmes.

1284
01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:10.920
It's a fascinating script and it's really well done, but doesn't quite fit the series it's in.

1285
01:27:10.979 --> 01:27:17.100
However, having said that, those Avon Villa scenes are gold and that's why people love it.

1286
01:27:17.159 --> 01:27:18.960
I just think the whole thing hangs together really well.

1287
01:27:19.079 --> 01:27:32.039
I mean, I'm happy to acknowledge the flaws, including the characterisation of Blake, but I mean, given that I'm never much of a fan of the Blake character, this is at least an episode where I kind of sort of starts to warm to him.

1288
01:27:32.100 --> 01:27:36.720
I think one of the reasons I like it too is that everyone is taking it really, really seriously.

1289
01:27:36.779 --> 01:27:46.619
That's refreshing because quite often you get someone who's just having a bit of a laugh in one role or another and that can be behind the scenes as well and things very well directed.

1290
01:27:46.680 --> 01:27:51.539
It's not reliant on explosions and chases and things like that and special effects.

1291
01:27:51.600 --> 01:27:55.140
Uh, which inevitably let these kinds of things down.

1292
01:27:55.199 --> 01:28:01.739
It's relying on 2 handed scenes, 2 and 3 handed scenes, which are all executed really, really well.

1293
01:28:01.800 --> 01:28:04.680
I think that's one of the reasons why I'm drawn so much to it, I think.

1294
01:28:04.739 --> 01:28:15.420
Our 2nd highest episode of the season. is Gambit with 8 top scores and one worst score for a total of seven.

1295
01:28:15.479 --> 01:28:17.939
It's among my episodes for a lot of people, because it is so out there.

1296
01:28:18.000 --> 01:28:24.119
And so I'm surprised that it's done that well anyway, because, yeah, it's not an average episode of Blake 7 in anyone's book.

1297
01:28:24.180 --> 01:28:35.460
It was one of the 1st ones that got me into the series again as a teenager when somebody showed me it on video, so that, and because of that, I don't see it as a, as a sort of aberration in the way that some people maybe do.

1298
01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:39.600
But, um, but it is, but it's the, it's the Jacqueline Pierce show also.

1299
01:28:39.659 --> 01:28:58.319
It's just like the rest of them are a bit part players in her sort of tour de force moment, playing a different version of Servland, who has, who has to roll her eyes, as I have argued for years, is just one of my favourite lines. would argue with Servoland for years.

1300
01:28:58.380 --> 01:28:59.220
How is that possible?

1301
01:28:59.279 --> 01:29:01.199
And it probably doesn't close.

1302
01:29:01.319 --> 01:29:03.779
A different person every time because she had them all killed.

1303
01:29:04.140 --> 01:29:05.819
That's it.

1304
01:29:05.880 --> 01:29:06.659
It is a different person.

1305
01:29:06.720 --> 01:29:11.579
She's argued for years and there's a pile of corpses over there to show it to prove it.

1306
01:29:12.539 --> 01:29:22.439
Against that, you've got the really fun Avon and Villa subplot where they're just going to break the bank at the casino and have some fun.

1307
01:29:22.500 --> 01:29:23.939
That's brilliant.

1308
01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:28.920
Seeing Paul Darrow having fun and thinking, yeah, we can do this.

1309
01:29:28.979 --> 01:29:31.380
Come on, Villa. and it's him who's driving it.

1310
01:29:31.439 --> 01:29:32.819
It's not Villa who's driving it.

1311
01:29:32.880 --> 01:29:35.279
He wants to go and make this money.

1312
01:29:35.340 --> 01:29:36.840
Just because he can.

1313
01:29:36.899 --> 01:29:38.279
And that's wonderful.

1314
01:29:38.340 --> 01:29:45.899
There's a real joy in his performance in this episode that you don't often see in Avon, and I really like that.

1315
01:29:45.960 --> 01:29:53.340
It's also finally a George Spenton fosterproof episode in that I don't think it's particularly well directed, but he can't break it.

1316
01:29:54.000 --> 01:30:03.359
Well, but yeah, because there are the occasional smash cuts, smash cuts, which you think, oh, is he being avant-garde or no, he just, no, he's not.

1317
01:30:03.420 --> 01:30:04.800
It's just an accidental smashing.

1318
01:30:06.300 --> 01:30:07.680
Just a scalpel out.

1319
01:30:07.739 --> 01:30:11.699
Yeah, or it comes from a character in one scene, to the same character in another scene later.

1320
01:30:11.760 --> 01:30:15.359
But I think they had to cut quite a bit out, overran quite a bit, didn't it?

1321
01:30:15.420 --> 01:30:20.579
So, I don't know much behind the scenes stuff on plate 7, but I picked that up somewhere.

1322
01:30:20.640 --> 01:30:22.680
So I guess that's why there are those jumps.

1323
01:30:22.739 --> 01:30:26.399
But when you're set on a planet that's meant to be weird and disconcerting.

1324
01:30:26.460 --> 01:30:29.340
It enhances it even if it is by accident.

1325
01:30:29.399 --> 01:30:36.720
Yeah, and just casting Sylvia Coleridge as the sexy speaker of the of the casino.

1326
01:30:36.779 --> 01:30:38.760
That takes some balls, that does.

1327
01:30:38.819 --> 01:30:41.039
But she does it with such a plomb.

1328
01:30:41.100 --> 01:30:41.640
She's so good.

1329
01:30:41.699 --> 01:30:46.380
I really love it too, but I just sort of sort of bouncing back to sort of killer and this.

1330
01:30:46.439 --> 01:30:49.020
They're both outlies in their own way.

1331
01:30:49.079 --> 01:30:52.920
And I think it's great that both of them can exist in the same series.

1332
01:30:52.979 --> 01:30:54.420
And I think that's one of the reasons why I love it.

1333
01:30:54.479 --> 01:30:56.159
And both from the, yeah.

1334
01:30:56.220 --> 01:31:00.539
And both from the same author who just comes in and does his own theme.

1335
01:31:00.600 --> 01:31:09.180
Yeah, and apparently, Robert Holmes wasn't particularly happy with Killer because it was a late commission and he wasn't that familiar with the series.

1336
01:31:09.180 --> 01:31:11.880
And he wasn't particularly happy with Gambit.

1337
01:31:11.880 --> 01:31:17.819
And apparently some of some of the cast weren't happy with the way Aubrey Woods and John Leeson sent it up a bit.

1338
01:31:17.880 --> 01:31:23.100
Like Brian Croucher apparently is like, oh, you know, they really sent it up and it's like, has anyone shown?

1339
01:31:23.220 --> 01:31:23.880
You see who they were playing?

1340
01:31:23.939 --> 01:31:26.340
Yeah, and has anyone shown Brian Croucher?

1341
01:31:26.340 --> 01:31:27.899
Brian Croucher?

1342
01:31:29.399 --> 01:31:31.500
Have you read the script?

1343
01:31:31.560 --> 01:31:33.659
Yeah, I think John Leason is really good.

1344
01:31:33.720 --> 01:31:43.260
I think he's so great as the submissive, but obviously almost like the power behind the throne and is the power bottom.

1345
01:31:43.319 --> 01:31:43.800
Yeah.

1346
01:31:43.859 --> 01:31:47.039
Right, and his hatress is magnificent.

1347
01:31:47.100 --> 01:31:48.180
Oh, yes.

1348
01:31:48.180 --> 01:31:49.079
He love that headdress.

1349
01:31:49.979 --> 01:31:52.439
The period, Crantor.

1350
01:31:52.500 --> 01:31:53.460
Yeah.

1351
01:31:53.460 --> 01:31:58.859
They had some kind of meeting or they'd done some kind of agreement because everything is on the same level.

1352
01:31:58.920 --> 01:32:00.359
Everything's the same.

1353
01:32:00.420 --> 01:32:02.100
These things don't work.

1354
01:32:02.159 --> 01:32:05.939
When someone's being desperately serious and someone's being outrageously over the top camp.

1355
01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:07.979
Everyone is being outrageous.

1356
01:32:07.979 --> 01:32:08.699
That's why it works.

1357
01:32:08.760 --> 01:32:11.039
Everyone's up here and that's why it works.

1358
01:32:11.100 --> 01:32:12.119
Yeah.

1359
01:32:12.180 --> 01:32:12.479
Yeah.

1360
01:32:12.539 --> 01:32:20.939
And I think that's why, for instance, Bruce purchase as Gola doesn't work because he's not doing the same performance as the...

1361
01:32:21.060 --> 01:32:23.880
He's in gambit as well, is the problem.

1362
01:32:23.939 --> 01:32:30.479
Yeah, yeah, and you can get away with that, but it's much harder and in that one, for me, it doesn't work.

1363
01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:34.560
But it's not impossible to balance something like that.

1364
01:32:34.619 --> 01:32:37.859
But yeah, in Gambit, they are all definitely singing from the same hymn sheet.

1365
01:32:37.979 --> 01:32:44.159
Something I love so much about gambit is, especially crantor and toys.

1366
01:32:44.279 --> 01:32:46.859
This kind of thing when other sci-fi shows do it.

1367
01:32:46.920 --> 01:33:00.539
Like when the ridiculous MC wanders off the stage, you know, he'll he'll pull the moustache off and say, oh, well, we've had a good night's takings, but oh, we're, you know, we, you know, he switches back to a normal speaking voice and it's all an act.

1368
01:33:00.600 --> 01:33:03.420
It's like, no, Crantor and Toys, this is a way of life.

1369
01:33:03.479 --> 01:33:05.640
This is how they actually want to live.

1370
01:33:05.699 --> 01:33:09.479
And that means the show isn't afraid of showing us that.

1371
01:33:10.079 --> 01:33:11.039
They're grotesque.

1372
01:33:11.100 --> 01:33:11.880
Yeah, they're grotesque.

1373
01:33:12.000 --> 01:33:15.659
And whenever you have a grotesque character kind of go, oh, but I'm not really grotesque.

1374
01:33:15.720 --> 01:33:22.920
To me, that is the producers, the director of the show going, no, we're afraid to do an episode for me like that.

1375
01:33:22.979 --> 01:33:24.000
That Star Trek.

1376
01:33:24.060 --> 01:33:25.680
Blake 7 is they are actually that person.

1377
01:33:25.800 --> 01:33:26.340
Yes.

1378
01:33:26.399 --> 01:33:29.819
And that's the early original series Star Trek.

1379
01:33:29.880 --> 01:33:38.399
Early next gen Star Trek has those kind of grotesque characters that Gene Roddenbury in the original case and Rick Berman in the 2nd case beats out of the series.

1380
01:33:38.460 --> 01:33:40.199
No stop being camp.

1381
01:33:41.520 --> 01:33:44.579
You know, stop, stop being camp.

1382
01:33:44.640 --> 01:33:48.479
Patrick Stewart is over here in a one piece Lycra bodysuit.

1383
01:33:48.539 --> 01:33:50.340
How dare you be camp in front of that?

1384
01:33:51.180 --> 01:33:54.060
And we initially asked him to a French accent.

1385
01:33:54.119 --> 01:33:56.039
With a with a tooth.

1386
01:33:56.760 --> 01:34:00.659
But yeah, maybe Patrick Stewart should have played the croupier.

1387
01:34:01.859 --> 01:34:04.140
Well, the Dupe should have.

1388
01:34:04.199 --> 01:34:13.199
Now, of course, for our top episode, with no worst votes, and 20 best votes is Star one.

1389
01:34:13.260 --> 01:34:14.279
Well, of course.

1390
01:34:14.340 --> 01:34:18.239
I'm going to say it's the best episode of Blake 7.

1391
01:34:18.300 --> 01:34:24.420
It's not necessarily my favourite episode of Blake 7, but it is the best episode of Blake 7, I think.

1392
01:34:24.479 --> 01:34:30.060
It's the script editor writing and the producer directing and it's a big pivotal episode.

1393
01:34:30.119 --> 01:34:30.720
It can't go wrong.

1394
01:34:30.779 --> 01:34:33.060
Even with the kitchen sink coming in at the end.

1395
01:34:33.119 --> 01:34:35.579
Well, you see, no, that's exactly it.

1396
01:34:35.640 --> 01:34:37.560
It doesn't matter because the rest of it is so good.

1397
01:34:38.159 --> 01:34:43.079
As one of our listeners pointed out, it's a cliffhanger so good that Star Trek stole it.

1398
01:34:43.140 --> 01:34:43.979
Oh, yes.

1399
01:34:44.039 --> 01:34:44.579
Exactly.

1400
01:34:45.000 --> 01:34:47.220
Captain's incapacitated.

1401
01:34:47.279 --> 01:34:48.479
I have to be the outlier, I'm afraid.

1402
01:34:48.539 --> 01:34:52.140
Well, I didn't vote for this one either, Simon, but you go on first.

1403
01:34:52.199 --> 01:34:55.619
Well, I no, I don't think it's bad by an issue to the imagination.

1404
01:34:55.680 --> 01:35:01.380
I think it's very good, and I agree with you, Peter, that, you know, it's written by Chris Boucher. directed by Devin Maloney.

1405
01:35:01.439 --> 01:35:02.460
Of course, it's great.

1406
01:35:02.520 --> 01:35:06.479
But for some reason, it's like the opposite of a je ne sais quoi for me.

1407
01:35:06.539 --> 01:35:16.739
Sometimes everything can be right about an episode and should be right an episode about an episode and I should really love it, but for some reason, it just leaves me a little bit cold.

1408
01:35:16.800 --> 01:35:18.359
I don't know why it is.

1409
01:35:18.420 --> 01:35:21.840
I, I think it's, it's neither my favourite nor I think it's the best.

1410
01:35:21.899 --> 01:35:23.579
There's just something for me that's missing.

1411
01:35:23.640 --> 01:35:28.260
It's too Blake 7 by numbers in terms of the best numbers.

1412
01:35:28.319 --> 01:35:40.140
Absolutely, it's all done really, really well, but I kind of have the same relationship to it as I do to Earthshock, which I kind of go, yeah, I can see why it's supposed to be really, really good, but for some reason, I just don't warm to it.

1413
01:35:40.199 --> 01:35:41.579
That's all. perfectly reasonable?

1414
01:35:41.640 --> 01:35:43.140
Irrrational, I know.

1415
01:35:43.199 --> 01:35:45.479
No, I'm, I'm, I'm sort of with you there.

1416
01:35:45.539 --> 01:35:47.279
And like I said earlier, with redemption.

1417
01:35:47.340 --> 01:36:03.180
Star one, I think I think is very good, but I voted for Countdown because in Star one, I wanted it to be the system taking revenge, you know, and to me, that then becomes a story, I can ties everything up, or I wanted the Andromedans to be seated a few episodes earlier.

1418
01:36:03.239 --> 01:36:06.359
Because Travis has obviously been doing this for some time.

1419
01:36:06.420 --> 01:36:09.119
How much time has passed between him disappearing?

1420
01:36:09.960 --> 01:36:13.140
Yeah, we talk a lot about this in the episode.

1421
01:36:13.199 --> 01:36:14.100
Exactly.

1422
01:36:14.159 --> 01:36:20.939
Because the time frame is all askew at the end of series B. It's yeah.

1423
01:36:21.000 --> 01:36:28.619
And I think it's a reflection of the fact that a lot of the scripts are coming in at the very last minute, everything has fallen through with Terry Nation.

1424
01:36:28.680 --> 01:36:31.020
And things that are being shifted all over the place.

1425
01:36:31.079 --> 01:36:31.500
Yeah.

1426
01:36:31.560 --> 01:36:39.840
Unless it's taken 6 months for them to get from the end of gambit to the keeper to start one.

1427
01:36:39.899 --> 01:36:40.560
Yeah.

1428
01:36:40.560 --> 01:36:43.739
I mean, there is an implication that some time has passed.

1429
01:36:43.800 --> 01:36:45.060
Mm.

1430
01:36:45.060 --> 01:36:48.300
Yeah, well, the fact that they... infiltrate the place. not very clear.

1431
01:36:48.359 --> 01:36:58.680
Maybe it took them 6 months to get from the end of the keeper out to star one, in which case the fact that the Federation cruiser Beagle manages it in 4 hours is a bit of a problem.

1432
01:37:00.659 --> 01:37:03.600
Unless the beagle is from outer gal.

1433
01:37:05.159 --> 01:37:08.760
It's still an absolutely cracking end to the season.

1434
01:37:08.819 --> 01:37:27.000
And it's another episode where everyone pretty much gets something to do or gets to contribute, like, you know, Jenna still doesn't go down to the planet, but she does have stuff to do up on the ship and she's it's her and Villa figuring out how do we get through the protection grid to actually see what's out there?

1435
01:37:27.060 --> 01:37:30.239
And yeah, even Aurak contributes to that conversation.

1436
01:37:30.300 --> 01:37:36.119
I was surprised this whole season, how underused Aorak is compared to what I know later.

1437
01:37:36.180 --> 01:37:40.920
Um, but, you know, I am kind of nitpicking.

1438
01:37:40.979 --> 01:37:42.479
I saying, oh well, the episode doesn't have this.

1439
01:37:42.539 --> 01:37:46.319
It's like, well, no, but what it does have is really, really great.

1440
01:37:46.380 --> 01:38:06.000
And I think it's so appropriate that the season ends with, as Brian Groucher puts it, having to be put into a harness to do his final stunt at like 5 to 9 and having, as he puts it, the very camp dresser gentleman, between my legs, looking up at me and saying, now the metal is exposed, so it could poke in, dear.

1441
01:38:06.060 --> 01:38:10.739
And he's just like, this just sums up my time on the show.

1442
01:38:13.199 --> 01:38:16.319
It helped some safety before it went mad.

1443
01:38:16.859 --> 01:38:30.539
I made this point in our Star one podcast, but I think it's worth making again that between them, Callie, who removes the bombs from the base and doesn't blow it up and then Jenna and Servolan, who work out what's happening with the fleet and send all the ships against it.

1444
01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:33.359
Together the 3 women of the series save humanity.

1445
01:38:33.420 --> 01:38:33.899
So.

1446
01:38:33.899 --> 01:38:35.640
Yeah.

1447
01:38:35.699 --> 01:38:37.260
That's a nice way of saying it.

1448
01:38:40.319 --> 01:38:49.439
Before we get on to the final question, I asked our listeners, as well as ourselves, I'd just like to read out some miscellaneous comments that people made.

1449
01:38:49.500 --> 01:38:51.899
Of course, we have had some comments praising us, which is lovely.

1450
01:38:51.960 --> 01:38:54.899
So here are some comments I haven't read out in other sections.

1451
01:38:54.960 --> 01:38:57.659
A mixed season rescued by Star One.

1452
01:38:57.720 --> 01:39:01.739
Two people want Callie's powers to be expanded upon.

1453
01:39:01.800 --> 01:39:04.380
They think that's the best way to develop her character.

1454
01:39:04.439 --> 01:39:06.239
So it'd be interesting next year to see if that happens.

1455
01:39:06.300 --> 01:39:13.199
One person thinks the show should be Servoland all the time, and Nathan, we see you, we see you.

1456
01:39:14.159 --> 01:39:18.180
He was actually in Serverland drag when he did.

1457
01:39:18.479 --> 01:39:21.359
Um, someone someone had 3 things.

1458
01:39:21.420 --> 01:39:26.279
They wished Brian had been assigned a new character to develop all his own.

1459
01:39:26.340 --> 01:39:32.939
Can't disagree and didn't have to wear a stupid disguise in voice to the past and that the girls had more to do.

1460
01:39:33.180 --> 01:39:37.619
Someone said this trial is a mockery of justice, which is which is very true.

1461
01:39:37.979 --> 01:39:41.100
A few people said this is their favourite season.

1462
01:39:41.159 --> 01:39:45.239
It's hard to pick a favourite. and they wonder how strong series.

1463
01:39:45.300 --> 01:39:51.239
Someone wonders how strong series A would have been without all the faffing about and responding to distress signals.

1464
01:39:51.300 --> 01:39:57.300
If Chris Boucher had sort of been given a given more of a hand in developing the 1st series.

1465
01:39:57.420 --> 01:40:02.760
Well, you know, I think series C personally is the best, but I think series B gives it a very strong run for its money.

1466
01:40:02.819 --> 01:40:04.380
Yeah, yeah, I'd agree with you there.

1467
01:40:04.439 --> 01:40:10.020
Series B is someone's favourite, even if the story arc about Star one is horribly inconsistent from episode to episode.

1468
01:40:10.079 --> 01:40:13.199
A few people want to know precisely what happened to Blake.

1469
01:40:13.260 --> 01:40:15.479
That's something they would have liked for this series.

1470
01:40:15.840 --> 01:40:17.520
Big finish.

1471
01:40:18.239 --> 01:40:23.819
Someone thought they needed to tone down Aurac's power of the week or at least reuse a few of them.

1472
01:40:24.119 --> 01:40:26.159
We're looking at you, shadow.

1473
01:40:26.220 --> 01:40:26.579
Yeah.

1474
01:40:27.960 --> 01:40:31.020
I can shrink Cali because someone took me over.

1475
01:40:31.079 --> 01:40:31.859
Can you do it again?

1476
01:40:31.920 --> 01:40:32.819
No, I'd rather not.

1477
01:40:33.420 --> 01:40:35.579
But I can sugar myself.

1478
01:40:35.640 --> 01:40:38.220
Yes, you get us loads of money. shall we do it again?

1479
01:40:38.279 --> 01:40:39.000
Nah, better not.

1480
01:40:39.600 --> 01:40:44.699
And someone said that as much as they love pressure point, shame they had to kill Gan.

1481
01:40:44.760 --> 01:40:52.260
Big Gam fan, but really understandable, and they're glad that there was an episode with Blake actually saying I need to deal with what happened here.

1482
01:40:52.319 --> 01:40:53.760
There we go.

1483
01:40:53.819 --> 01:40:55.319
Big Gan fan fan of Big Gan.

1484
01:40:55.380 --> 01:40:55.739
Yeah.

1485
01:40:55.800 --> 01:41:01.619
Voice from the past is actually fabulous and I will not hear any arguments otherwise Siobhan forever.

1486
01:41:04.859 --> 01:41:08.880
Somebody's been pressing the skip button a lot during this episode.

1487
01:41:09.000 --> 01:41:09.720
Sorry.

1488
01:41:10.619 --> 01:41:16.500
Well, now, if I tell you, I might just have to kill you laughing and sweating emoji.

1489
01:41:16.560 --> 01:41:20.100
And where is Alta Morag?

1490
01:41:20.159 --> 01:41:22.380
We sent our roomiest shuttle for her.

1491
01:41:25.439 --> 01:41:27.479
Alter more eggs, the one from the way back.

1492
01:41:36.539 --> 01:41:40.920
Before we get onto the last question our listeners gave us, hopes for the future.

1493
01:41:40.979 --> 01:41:45.840
If you didn't know what was coming up in series C, what would you want to see?

1494
01:41:45.899 --> 01:41:48.000
Starting with you sigh?

1495
01:41:48.119 --> 01:42:00.060
I want to see the Galactic War and I want to see it big and bright and massive episodes spanning what's going on in the war and how it affects everyone and everything.

1496
01:42:00.119 --> 01:42:03.479
I think that would be a really great way to start a season.

1497
01:42:03.479 --> 01:42:06.720
And Blake and Jenner could be off doing different things.

1498
01:42:06.779 --> 01:42:08.819
The liberators in danger.

1499
01:42:08.880 --> 01:42:12.779
Yeah, I think that would be a really cool way to start a new series off.

1500
01:42:12.840 --> 01:42:14.760
Five episodes at least, Si.

1501
01:42:14.819 --> 01:42:15.420
Yes.

1502
01:42:15.479 --> 01:42:16.979
Wouldn't that be great?

1503
01:42:17.039 --> 01:42:18.000
Thanks, Cy.

1504
01:42:18.060 --> 01:42:18.779
Simon.

1505
01:42:18.840 --> 01:42:20.340
I have to go with Cy.

1506
01:42:20.399 --> 01:42:26.760
As I said before, I watched Blake 7 kind of in a random sort of order and certainly watched later episodes before I saw any of this.

1507
01:42:26.819 --> 01:42:41.100
If I was watching it in at the time and in order, I would be expecting the 3rd season to be entirely different to, or quite different to the way it was, yes, I think at least half the season needed to be devoted to the war, the aftermath of the war and all that sort of stuff.

1508
01:42:41.159 --> 01:42:45.420
It's, there's one or 2 episodes of that and then it's just completely forgotten effectively, really.

1509
01:42:45.479 --> 01:42:51.539
I mean, I know it's sort of integrated, but I think I think that's what I would have been expecting more, you know, liberation crisis.

1510
01:42:51.600 --> 01:42:53.279
Maybe, maybe the crew split up.

1511
01:42:53.340 --> 01:43:00.119
I think that would have been interesting actually, is if you'd have had some of the characters in a different location, but then not be out of the series.

1512
01:43:00.239 --> 01:43:01.619
Great.

1513
01:43:01.680 --> 01:43:02.819
Pete?

1514
01:43:02.880 --> 01:43:17.640
I'd be, yeah, I'd be interested in seeing more multipart stories. which they've obviously started with a multi-part story, and a 90 minute long Blake 7 story and 2 halves works fine, and I'm surprised they don't do more of that, and I guess that's more around production schedules and everything.

1515
01:43:17.819 --> 01:43:19.319
They haven't done that more so far.

1516
01:43:19.380 --> 01:43:26.100
And I'm just, yeah, I'm interested to see if they actually deal with the idea of them having to have this alliance with Serverland.

1517
01:43:26.159 --> 01:43:30.180
Is that just going to be swept aside and back to business as usual or are there going to be consequences?

1518
01:43:30.239 --> 01:43:31.319
I think I know.

1519
01:43:33.000 --> 01:43:39.239
Peter, I would like to see Mr. Bronson from Grange Hill as the head of the Federation's Death Squad.

1520
01:43:40.319 --> 01:43:42.479
There are only 7 actors.

1521
01:43:42.539 --> 01:43:46.680
You stolen by shtick, Peter, because I was just going to start listing things that happen.

1522
01:43:48.239 --> 01:43:54.060
Well, James, I would also like to see the exotic world of hour on depicted as an airport control centre.

1523
01:43:56.220 --> 01:44:03.180
And I think I would probably like to see Servolan employer henchwoman who communicates only through clicking her fingers.

1524
01:44:03.239 --> 01:44:04.439
Let's see if that happens.

1525
01:44:06.119 --> 01:44:07.979
Better wave.

1526
01:44:08.340 --> 01:44:09.779
James?

1527
01:44:09.840 --> 01:44:11.220
He's still amazing.

1528
01:44:11.220 --> 01:44:12.779
You still enjoy...

1529
01:44:13.199 --> 01:44:20.819
For me, yeah, I'd like to see the galactic war be dealt with, but maybe only for an episode or two, probably 2 episodes.

1530
01:44:20.880 --> 01:44:23.100
Like, as I said, I felt redemption was too short.

1531
01:44:23.159 --> 01:44:30.600
So maybe just 2 episodes dealing with that and then sort of a season with a new status quo in the Federation.

1532
01:44:30.659 --> 01:44:42.000
I don't want us just blowing, you know, let's, let's choose to hurt the Federation here this week or let's go to this planet this week because they have, they have a membership with the Federation and we can get under their skin.

1533
01:44:42.060 --> 01:44:49.260
I haven't had a problem with that this year, but much like series A for all its faults, was trying to find out what it was.

1534
01:44:49.319 --> 01:44:51.600
So you had some stories that didn't involve the Federation at all.

1535
01:44:51.720 --> 01:44:54.479
Series B has had its very different feel from that.

1536
01:44:54.539 --> 01:44:59.640
And I want another different feel next year. anticipating we get some new characters.

1537
01:44:59.699 --> 01:45:04.560
So I'm looking forward to new dynamics with the existing characters.

1538
01:45:04.619 --> 01:45:08.399
And whether there's sort of a pecking order and a hierarchy.

1539
01:45:08.460 --> 01:45:11.819
Can you imagine Villa being higher than anyone on a hierarchy?

1540
01:45:11.880 --> 01:45:12.779
He's got tenure.

1541
01:45:12.840 --> 01:45:15.479
And so that's kind of the interesting stuff.

1542
01:45:15.539 --> 01:45:17.819
I think we can do there with series C.

1543
01:45:17.880 --> 01:45:24.960
But before we leave series B. There's someone we're leaving behind in series B and that's Travis.

1544
01:45:25.020 --> 01:45:30.600
I asked our listeners, because it's the last chance they're going to have to put in, who is the best Travis?

1545
01:45:30.720 --> 01:45:32.520
They got to rank them.

1546
01:45:32.579 --> 01:45:39.180
So Stephen Griff, Brian Croucher, and the bloke who can't run properly from Aurak.

1547
01:45:40.319 --> 01:45:45.180
Surely we left Travis's behind at the end of Aura.

1548
01:45:47.340 --> 01:45:49.020
Brilliant.

1549
01:45:50.939 --> 01:45:55.800
Do we want to know the least popular Travis 1st or the most popular, Travis?

1550
01:45:55.859 --> 01:45:56.880
Let's go for the most.

1551
01:45:56.939 --> 01:45:57.779
The most?

1552
01:45:58.020 --> 01:46:00.119
Because that's the obvious one.

1553
01:46:00.180 --> 01:46:02.100
It's Stephen Grife.

1554
01:46:02.220 --> 01:46:10.800
With 37 top votes. 112nd places and 0 last places.

1555
01:46:11.279 --> 01:46:13.020
His second.

1556
01:46:13.079 --> 01:46:15.119
Second is Brian Croucher.

1557
01:46:15.180 --> 01:46:16.979
Assuming the legs.

1558
01:46:17.039 --> 01:46:17.699
Me too.

1559
01:46:17.760 --> 01:46:19.739
There is justice.

1560
01:46:19.739 --> 01:46:20.579
That would be cool.

1561
01:46:20.939 --> 01:46:22.979
I put the legs second.

1562
01:46:23.039 --> 01:46:26.760
For the 1st few hours, it was the legs because it was just us, I'm in the ship posting.

1563
01:46:29.340 --> 01:46:37.619
Croucher gets 9 top votes. 272nd place votes and 123rd place votes.

1564
01:46:38.279 --> 01:46:50.340
So the legs. get 363rd place votes. 52nd place votes and one person voted the legs.

1565
01:46:51.300 --> 01:46:53.159
Oh, brothers.

1566
01:46:53.220 --> 01:46:54.180
Who was it?

1567
01:46:54.720 --> 01:46:56.760
Was it anyone here?

1568
01:46:59.520 --> 01:47:04.380
Whoever you are, I salute your shit posting skills.

1569
01:47:04.500 --> 01:47:06.300
Yeah.

1570
01:47:06.479 --> 01:47:15.899
But converting that to a numerical score the way we did for the other characters, Stephen Griff wins with 133 points.

1571
01:47:15.960 --> 01:47:22.560
Brian Croucher comes behind that with a respectable 93 points and feet, Travis, is on 49.

1572
01:47:24.359 --> 01:47:27.720
He's got almost half the support of Brian Croucher.

1573
01:47:27.840 --> 01:47:30.600
And he's only playing 50% of the body.

1574
01:47:33.119 --> 01:47:35.279
He's got 3 shots.

1575
01:47:35.340 --> 01:47:37.079
That's Travis.

1576
01:47:37.380 --> 01:47:39.600
Has he been identified?

1577
01:47:39.659 --> 01:47:41.159
Travis Legs stand in person?

1578
01:47:41.220 --> 01:47:44.399
I should have asked making Blake 7 before we started.

1579
01:47:44.460 --> 01:47:47.399
Did we say in the series A, retrospective that we think it's the Lorimer?

1580
01:47:51.479 --> 01:47:56.819
Well, he was for acting out all the action in the offside, maybe.

1581
01:47:56.880 --> 01:47:58.560
He'd been down the gym a lot.

1582
01:47:58.619 --> 01:48:00.659
He'd been getting things, you know, nice and tight back then.

1583
01:48:01.500 --> 01:48:07.199
With that revelation, that legs, Travis, is not more popular than Brian Croucher.

1584
01:48:07.260 --> 01:48:09.779
It leaves us time for one more.

1585
01:48:09.840 --> 01:48:13.380
Snog, marry, brother.

1586
01:48:16.500 --> 01:48:20.159
I don't think there are enough ease in there, right?

1587
01:48:20.220 --> 01:48:21.899
I wasn't done.

1588
01:48:24.539 --> 01:48:27.060
Actually, help me, I'm having a stroke.

1589
01:48:27.119 --> 01:48:27.359
No.

1590
01:48:27.359 --> 01:48:30.779
Just my lungs, just fill out.

1591
01:48:31.020 --> 01:48:33.899
Snog, marry, brother.

1592
01:48:38.699 --> 01:48:41.220
That sounds like white noise now.

1593
01:48:41.279 --> 01:48:47.819
By the way, did we mention that Siobhan's fake eye is over Travis's eye patch?

1594
01:48:49.680 --> 01:48:51.239
We did it.

1595
01:48:51.300 --> 01:48:52.079
We did an episode.

1596
01:48:52.140 --> 01:48:52.859
Oh, good. glad.

1597
01:48:52.920 --> 01:48:53.939
Okay.

1598
01:48:54.000 --> 01:48:54.420
Peter.

1599
01:48:54.479 --> 01:48:54.899
Yes.

1600
01:48:54.960 --> 01:48:56.520
Your options are...

1601
01:48:56.579 --> 01:48:58.199
Then Glyndmark 2.

1602
01:48:58.500 --> 01:49:00.239
Zill.

1603
01:49:00.960 --> 01:49:03.300
And Shiva.

1604
01:49:07.739 --> 01:49:13.859
I would have to snog Van Glynn just to get access to his precious books of tricks.

1605
01:49:17.279 --> 01:49:19.500
I've heard he's easy that way.

1606
01:49:19.739 --> 01:49:24.300
I think I would marry Zill because we could then become one.

1607
01:49:24.359 --> 01:49:25.619
That would be great.

1608
01:49:25.680 --> 01:49:28.560
Yeah, we could share our oneness.

1609
01:49:28.619 --> 01:49:37.500
And I would obviously avoid she van because when you sleep with someone, you don't want to have to constantly check, is it calm?

1610
01:49:48.720 --> 01:49:51.899
Well, we don't know how far the bandages go down, really.

1611
01:50:00.479 --> 01:50:04.199
Well, dear listener, that's all the time we have this episode.

1612
01:50:04.260 --> 01:50:09.539
I would like to thank the entire panel, and I'd also like to thank you at home for listening.

1613
01:50:09.600 --> 01:50:15.060
You've given us some lovely feedback and especially those of you who participated in our vote.

1614
01:50:15.119 --> 01:50:22.439
We didn't give you much time to do it this time, but we will put it up much earlier next time for series C when we get there.

1615
01:50:22.500 --> 01:50:24.600
Well, we are off the air.

1616
01:50:24.659 --> 01:50:37.619
Don't forget, you can hear all some and many of us on our family of podcasts, flight through entirety, Bondfinger, Jody Interterra, trap one, and untitled Star Trek project.

1617
01:50:37.680 --> 01:50:41.100
And while you're at it, check out a hamster with a blunt penknife as well.

1618
01:50:41.159 --> 01:50:44.039
Sort of a cousin of the podcast, I think.

1619
01:50:44.100 --> 01:50:47.579
Hosted by friend of the podcast, Joe Ford.

1620
01:50:47.640 --> 01:50:49.979
Have we all been on it by this stage?

1621
01:50:50.039 --> 01:50:51.119
Have you been on it yet, Simon?

1622
01:50:51.239 --> 01:50:52.800
No, have you been on it, Peter?

1623
01:50:52.859 --> 01:50:53.819
moment.

1624
01:50:53.880 --> 01:50:55.500
Have you I begged.

1625
01:50:55.560 --> 01:50:56.220
You begged.

1626
01:50:56.279 --> 01:51:02.579
Oh, get on to Joe. get this sorted. that's right Sharpen that pen knife.

1627
01:51:02.640 --> 01:51:20.699
If you want to look up our old episodes, you can find our website at maximumpowerpodcast.com with amazing design work by James and Gift work by Pete, as well as on Twitter at Maximum Power Pod, on Facebook, Maximum Power Podcast, and wherever you find your podcasts.

1628
01:51:20.760 --> 01:51:27.720
Thank you all very much for listening, and until next time, make sure you don't get a Zonda on your queue base.

1629
01:51:27.779 --> 01:51:29.640
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1630
01:51:29.699 --> 01:51:31.020
Good night.

1631
01:51:31.079 --> 01:51:31.560
Good night.

1632
01:51:31.619 --> 01:51:32.100
Good night.

1633
01:51:32.159 --> 01:51:32.939
Good night.

1634
01:51:33.000 --> 01:51:34.020
Good night.

1635
01:51:37.079 --> 01:51:38.520
Switching to manual.

1636
01:51:38.579 --> 01:51:40.979
Maximum power on all drives.

1637
01:51:41.039 --> 01:51:43.079
Maximum power.