WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 21:58:43 1 00:00:04.139 --> 00:00:06.839 Maximal power. 2 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:21.179 Hello, everyone, and welcome back to Maximum Power, the only Blake 7 podcast that puts a Danish flag outside our space settlement, to tell you we might be coded as Goths. 3 00:00:21.239 --> 00:00:26.280 Before we start, though, let's take a moment to store all of our bank passwords in a court jester. 4 00:00:26.339 --> 00:00:27.719 I'm Colin. 5 00:00:27.780 --> 00:00:28.800 I'm Pete. 6 00:00:28.859 --> 00:00:29.879 I'm Cy. 7 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:31.379 And I'm Una. 8 00:00:31.440 --> 00:00:34.439 So now that we're all nicely pair bonded. 9 00:00:34.500 --> 00:00:36.119 I must speak to you all in my tent. 10 00:00:36.179 --> 00:00:43.200 We're all here to talk about the keeper, the penultimate episode of series B of Blake 7. 11 00:00:43.259 --> 00:00:46.259 So, Una, what did you think of this episode? 12 00:00:46.740 --> 00:00:50.880 So, obviously, any rational, same-minded person would go? 13 00:00:50.939 --> 00:00:51.960 This is an absolute stinker. 14 00:00:54.359 --> 00:00:56.460 But I really like it. 15 00:00:57.899 --> 00:01:06.599 I think there's the thing about Blake Stone, there's a transaction, isn't there, that you kind of go in and you think, you know, I'm not going to get Edge of Darkness here. 16 00:01:06.659 --> 00:01:07.500 Yeah. 17 00:01:07.560 --> 00:01:11.879 I'm not going to get I'm not okay, the best television program ever made. 18 00:01:11.939 --> 00:01:19.019 Um, but once you kind of admit to that transaction, then I think there's loads to love in this episode. 19 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:24.000 And um, and some of it, some of it is loving the kitch, but some of it is a little bit unexpected. 20 00:01:24.060 --> 00:01:26.819 Um, so I kind of like this one. 21 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:28.379 Sorry. 22 00:01:28.500 --> 00:01:30.840 I don't think you need to apologise. 23 00:01:30.900 --> 00:01:38.280 I mean, like some of it are, you know, do repeat the idiom that there is no bad episode of Blake 7. 24 00:01:38.340 --> 00:01:40.439 It's all great, even the bad ones, do you know? 25 00:01:40.500 --> 00:01:44.340 Yeah, yeah, even animals, I think has... has moments. 26 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:45.780 Oh, thank God for that. 27 00:01:45.840 --> 00:01:48.959 We need someone for that episode. though you're back. 28 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:50.340 I'm back for that one. 29 00:01:51.480 --> 00:02:01.260 It's one of those ones where you can, on a 1st watch, I was noticing there's lots of that wasn't there, and that made me, oh, there's none of the, there's none of the fabulousness. 30 00:02:01.319 --> 00:02:04.799 There's none of the sort of big interstellar stuff. 31 00:02:04.859 --> 00:02:06.120 But then on a 2nd watch. 32 00:02:06.180 --> 00:02:11.400 I was noticing much more about what the actors were doing with their very limited little pocket that they're in. 33 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:19.740 And it's much more enjoyable when you get your head into just rolling with what it is instead of looking at what it isn't, maybe. mentality for this one, I think. 34 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:23.099 I think the 1st 10 minutes are a bit of a slog. 35 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:26.460 It's always a problem with bike 7 because, you know, they've got 51 minutes to fill. 36 00:02:26.460 --> 00:02:30.479 And actually, actually what we want these days is 21 minutes. 37 00:02:30.539 --> 00:02:30.780 Yeah. 38 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:35.400 So, you know, we're all the, we're used to faster cutter television now. 39 00:02:35.460 --> 00:02:40.680 So that 1st 21st 10 minutes where they kind of go down and lots of sort of savages beat them up. 40 00:02:40.740 --> 00:02:42.000 That's quite dull. 41 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:46.560 But then after that, I think it just gets crackers. 42 00:02:46.620 --> 00:02:49.139 Uh, and there is a bit. 43 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:52.379 I think Severland's furs are pretty um, high camp. 44 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:53.580 That's true, buddy. 45 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:58.199 I had watched Gambit immediately prior to this, so I guess what I was I was having to recalibrate. 46 00:02:58.259 --> 00:02:59.819 That's I guess that's what it is, isn't it? 47 00:02:59.879 --> 00:03:01.800 Yes, because she's... 48 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:04.379 There is a certain degree of fabulousness in that, I think. 49 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:14.939 But yeah, I sort of, I think it's, yeah, it suffers from being in between to just absolutely stalkingly good episodes. 50 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:18.659 But I think it has its charms. 51 00:03:18.719 --> 00:03:29.699 Yeah, and I think it shows that it's written fairly last minute to replace the Terry Nation 2 or 3 parts depending on which rumour you believe. 52 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:51.120 And I think some of that shows it's quite hasty. none of the arc bits quite fit how they should because after last week where Servolan and Travis weren't working together and were and they're now very pally and working together again because of expediency in the plots. 53 00:03:51.240 --> 00:04:01.860 So, yeah, I mean, but it's all, I think it's saved by a lot of the really over the top performances that really make this, don't they? 54 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:18.660 So I, Bruce Purchase is just reprising the pirate captain from, um, the Pirate Planet in Doctor Who, um, and Shout to you and wonderful and booming and one, yeah, and just having a great chime. 55 00:04:18.779 --> 00:04:20.759 Yeah, he's got an immense TV. 56 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:22.079 And I want to know, is he like that? 57 00:04:22.139 --> 00:04:24.000 These are the only things that I've personally seen him in. 58 00:04:24.060 --> 00:04:25.860 Was his Hamlet the same as this? 59 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:28.019 I really want to know Can you imagine? 60 00:04:28.139 --> 00:04:29.160 would be incredible. 61 00:04:29.220 --> 00:04:30.480 He's probably one of these people. 62 00:04:30.540 --> 00:04:41.519 I mean, these are the sort of things that, you know, if you got, if you got anyone else, uh, they would go, oh, I have, I have tracked down his 11 minute appearance in Crown Court or something, but I never do that kind of thing. 63 00:04:41.579 --> 00:04:48.540 So probably he was, it'll turn out to be one of the most respected, like he'll have done 8 years at the Royal Court or something. 64 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:52.259 Yeah, it'd be one of these real theatre actors. 65 00:04:52.319 --> 00:04:54.180 That's why they got him so he could shout. 66 00:04:54.300 --> 00:05:00.839 So I think the um, the, the kind of uh, high decibel villainry is very high quality in this episode. 67 00:05:00.899 --> 00:05:03.660 The boah haing is very, very good. 68 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:05.699 There's a lot of laughing. 69 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:07.800 There's a lot of... 70 00:05:07.800 --> 00:05:09.000 Yeah, and you've got a full range. 71 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:10.680 But also some... 72 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:13.079 Cackling, the cackling is high quality. 73 00:05:13.139 --> 00:05:25.560 There's another thing that this episode does really well, which is, uh, I bag noted about this a lot, but it's one of the ancillary pleasures of watching Blake 7 these days, which I watch this on our massive HD widescreen. 74 00:05:25.620 --> 00:05:27.779 She's not what Play 7 was made for. 75 00:05:27.839 --> 00:05:35.459 And you could see every single piece of makeup and I just think this adds immensely to the pleasure of Blake Stone. 76 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:38.759 You can see all the slap they've layered on Paul Darrow. 77 00:05:38.819 --> 00:05:42.180 Obviously, the line where it stops is beautiful. 78 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:44.160 Because are they meant to be? 79 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:45.360 And then the other thing I like about the keeper. 80 00:05:45.420 --> 00:05:54.480 Oh, I, well, in my head, I kind of reckon it that they're all in space for so long that they've all gone really pale and so they're... 81 00:05:54.540 --> 00:05:56.819 Yeah, because they're all yellow down on the planet, aren't they? 82 00:05:56.879 --> 00:05:58.980 And they could they do that for the sulphur. 83 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:00.420 So that's a nice touch. 84 00:06:00.540 --> 00:06:01.980 They're a bit shaundist, yeah. 85 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:06.779 Yeah, and of course, Blake 7 is a high kitch universe anyway. 86 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:15.720 So I like the idea that they just go around putting loads of slap on, that they, um, you know, the space rats do all that face makeup and so do so do all the alpha grades, yeah. 87 00:06:15.779 --> 00:06:17.459 In the in the dome cities. 88 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:25.439 They never see the sunlight, so they kind of, it's like famous people painting themselves orange these days because, you know, they want to, like, they've been on the beach or whatever. 89 00:06:25.500 --> 00:06:27.240 So that's what I think. 90 00:06:27.300 --> 00:06:35.519 But then the thing I really like about the keeper is that, uh, it's a really good episode for women characters, bizarrely. 91 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:37.259 I mean, I don't think this was designed. 92 00:06:37.319 --> 00:06:38.939 I think it just happens. 93 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:41.759 But I think this is actually a Bechdel passing episode. 94 00:06:41.819 --> 00:06:51.000 I think there are scenes between like Kara and Jenna, and okay, they kind of mention, but the point is not that they're discussing the man. 95 00:06:51.060 --> 00:07:01.800 It's that they're discussing the politics or the, you know, the the quest for, so that they're discussing the men around them, but they're not talking about the, it's all high level policy. 96 00:07:01.860 --> 00:07:07.319 So inadvertently, I think this is probably one of the most feminist episodes. 97 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:10.980 That is not the take I was expected. 98 00:07:10.980 --> 00:07:12.000 I know. 99 00:07:12.060 --> 00:07:13.500 When you told me about this. 100 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:17.339 I really want to do the keeper because it was what made me a feminist or something like that. 101 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:19.860 Oh, no, power is the one that made me a family. 102 00:07:19.860 --> 00:07:21.839 And that was, I mean, that was rage. 103 00:07:21.899 --> 00:07:22.860 That was just... 104 00:07:23.100 --> 00:07:24.720 We'll do that, wouldn't it? 105 00:07:24.779 --> 00:07:25.319 Don't worry. 106 00:07:25.379 --> 00:07:27.420 I can't watch the power even... 107 00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:28.620 I can't even watch power even now. 108 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:30.240 It just makes me it makes me too angry. 109 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:33.660 And I'm about to get sensory into sort of fury and rage. 110 00:07:33.720 --> 00:07:41.699 But this one is sort of, I mean, yes, obviously we've got Jenna prancing around and, you know, all the innuendo and the pawing ear and everything. 111 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:44.699 But she's totally in charge of that situation. 112 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:49.740 And, um, Her faces to villa are just um, priceless all the way through. 113 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:53.759 Obviously, I'm not saying that this episode is feminist. 114 00:07:55.139 --> 00:07:57.540 Just part of the Bechdale test. 115 00:07:57.600 --> 00:07:57.779 Okay. 116 00:07:58.019 --> 00:08:00.120 Is there a special that? 117 00:08:00.180 --> 00:08:01.680 It's pretty good for Blake 7. 118 00:08:01.740 --> 00:08:02.040 Yeah. 119 00:08:02.100 --> 00:08:08.040 There is a special Blake 7 Bechdell test subclause about 2 women talking about beaming people down to a planet. doesn't count. 120 00:08:08.100 --> 00:08:09.480 That's an additional. 121 00:08:09.540 --> 00:08:10.019 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 122 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:20.939 But at the end of the episode, Kara's sitting on that throne, cattling like a queen, you know, the queen that she is, she totally runs rings around her and her ambitions are limited. 123 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:25.860 You know, she doesn't want to, she doesn't want to capture Star one or rule the galactic empire. 124 00:08:25.920 --> 00:08:27.660 She wants to get high. 125 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:34.139 She wants to get high and sit on her throne as child of the Goths and she gets to do it. 126 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:35.460 She outplays everyone in that room. 127 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:43.440 Yeah, she's much cleverer than everyone else, particularly the 2 brothers who are just really, really. 128 00:08:43.500 --> 00:08:53.820 Do we read it that she really has got mystical powers or is she just quite clever and they're all idiots and it's the same difference because I don't know whether she's bluffing her. 129 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:55.500 She's quite clever and they're all idiots. 130 00:08:55.559 --> 00:08:57.059 She's quite clever. 131 00:08:57.120 --> 00:08:57.840 Yeah. 132 00:08:57.899 --> 00:08:59.100 And they're all idiots. 133 00:08:59.220 --> 00:09:03.480 And, you know, she just waves her hands in it, because it's all observation, what she's doing. 134 00:09:03.779 --> 00:09:05.879 It's my theory. 135 00:09:05.940 --> 00:09:07.379 Yeah, she's just running rings around. 136 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:13.679 There's a certain character that always pops up in sort of 70s sci-fi and you get this character a lot. 137 00:09:13.740 --> 00:09:16.019 It's in um, Doctor Who. 138 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:21.059 And to some extent, it's um, it's also the sheriff of Nottingham in in Robin of Sherwood. 139 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:25.320 And it's it's somebody with a with a modern understanding of the world. 140 00:09:25.440 --> 00:09:27.360 Plonked into. 141 00:09:27.539 --> 00:09:32.460 Just this sort of terrible, terrible mediaeval dump, yeah? 142 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:39.120 See, you've got like Binro the heretic is, is, you know, well, in Ribos operation. 143 00:09:39.179 --> 00:09:42.419 And he, you know, he's like Galileo. 144 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:44.399 He understands the stars and all these sorts of things. 145 00:09:44.460 --> 00:09:47.700 And then I think Kara is probably one of these. 146 00:09:47.759 --> 00:09:51.360 Um, though she's, though she's completely focussed on her own power. 147 00:09:51.419 --> 00:09:57.360 And then like I say, I think the sheriff, Nicholas Grace's sheriff in Robin of Sherwood. 148 00:09:57.419 --> 00:09:59.279 He just can't believe. 149 00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:03.179 I kind of just at the back of his manner, just at the core of his, of his eye. 150 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:10.019 You see, this is a man who should be living in a world with penthouse suites and a Jacuzzi. 151 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:16.379 And an espresso machine and instead he's living in um, 11th century. 152 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:20.100 Whatever it is, 12th century Britain. 153 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:25.320 And I think Nicholas Christ puts that in the performance and I love that kind of character. 154 00:10:25.440 --> 00:10:32.639 Because so much of British 70s, science fiction fantasy relies on just doing cod medievalism. 155 00:10:32.700 --> 00:10:36.179 Uh, that you you get you get a lot of mileage at it. 156 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:38.820 But, um, I think of them as Rod, Jane and Freddie. 157 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:40.500 Rod and Freddie are not. 158 00:10:40.500 --> 00:10:46.500 And not inhabiting any other kind of nuanced space at all. 159 00:10:46.620 --> 00:10:49.799 All right, well, in that case, who is Bungle in this episode? 160 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:53.159 The cool or Blake? 161 00:10:53.220 --> 00:10:54.179 Just really do, mate. 162 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:54.899 I think it was Blake. 163 00:10:54.899 --> 00:10:55.980 You just gave Blake. 164 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:56.879 Yeah, I haven't mentioned it. 165 00:10:56.879 --> 00:10:58.860 Oh, yeah. 166 00:10:59.100 --> 00:11:09.899 Yeah, it's really interesting with Blake because I noticed in Gambit and in this, they're sidelining him into the B plot of the story. 167 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:29.159 He is really out of the action in both of those stories while everyone else gets to do the fun adventuring and do the smart stuff and he's just there in the background wandering around meeting the brother and meeting the king and that's about all he manages to achieve. 168 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:33.419 Jenna has done the bulk of the work to get the information that they need. 169 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:35.399 Yep, absolutely. 170 00:11:35.460 --> 00:11:43.440 And I don't know if that's, I know she really struggled, didn't she, Sally Nevette, to just try and get them. to give her some lines. 171 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:45.000 Yeah, yeah. 172 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:47.639 That's that's why she left pretty much, isn't it? 173 00:11:47.700 --> 00:11:48.899 Yeah, yeah. 174 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:50.399 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 175 00:11:50.460 --> 00:11:51.000 And she's great. 176 00:11:51.059 --> 00:11:52.320 You know, she's... 177 00:11:52.379 --> 00:11:52.980 Yeah. 178 00:11:52.980 --> 00:11:56.639 Yeah. and Jan Chappell as well, who's just fantastic. 179 00:11:56.700 --> 00:11:58.379 I mean, that gets, that does get better. 180 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:00.600 But ultimately that's why she goes, isn't she? 181 00:12:00.659 --> 00:12:04.980 You get, you just get sick of standing there going, um... 182 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:09.960 Yeah, I'll clear the neutron blasters for firing, but she's quite good in this one as well. 183 00:12:10.019 --> 00:12:15.240 They sort of mildly give her something to do. even if it's just quarrel with Avon. 184 00:12:15.299 --> 00:12:15.480 Yeah. 185 00:12:15.539 --> 00:12:23.879 Yeah, and even I like that little that little pocket bit that they get where they spot the spaceship going past with the, I don't know, number plate, TRAV 15 or something. 186 00:12:23.940 --> 00:12:24.840 That's him. 187 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:25.500 Let's go. 188 00:12:25.559 --> 00:12:28.980 No, we haven't even got time to send them a quick message that we're buggering off. 189 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:29.700 Let's just bugger off. 190 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:30.659 I'm sure they'll be fine. 191 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:32.279 And then they bug off to kill it. 192 00:12:32.340 --> 00:12:43.980 But the interplay between Avon and her in that section. is so nice because he's really got trying to persuade her if she, that he doesn't, he's not, he doesn't order it to do it or he doesn't act like he's the boss suddenly. 193 00:12:44.039 --> 00:12:47.580 The 2 of them have a proper conversation about whether or not they should do it and pressurise each other. 194 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:51.539 That sort of thing, which fills up 5 minutes, but it fills out very nicely. 195 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:52.139 It's good. 196 00:12:52.259 --> 00:12:52.379 Yeah. 197 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:57.299 What do we think Avon's real motivations are for going after Travis? 198 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:00.659 Is it that simple? 199 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:03.720 Um, I think it is that simple. 200 00:13:03.779 --> 00:13:12.000 I think they, don't they allude to something that he, that he did before that he, he, he, that he sells them in, sells them out in. 201 00:13:12.059 --> 00:13:13.080 Is it, which one is it? 202 00:13:13.139 --> 00:13:14.639 Horizon. isn't it? 203 00:13:14.700 --> 00:13:15.360 hostage. hostage. 204 00:13:15.419 --> 00:13:20.220 Thank you. where he pulls up Purbland to say, oh, Blake's on this planet and Travis is here. 205 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:21.840 You better get over here quick. 206 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:27.120 And I think he's trying to do something to sort of apologise to Blake. 207 00:13:27.419 --> 00:13:32.460 And of course, this being Ava, Ava lives in a cursed universe. 208 00:13:32.580 --> 00:13:34.440 So it goes wrong. 209 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:40.559 And then the one they don't go after, that would have been the one they roast. 210 00:13:40.620 --> 00:13:40.919 Right. 211 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:42.000 It's just the one. 212 00:13:42.059 --> 00:13:42.720 Yeah. 213 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:54.120 Well, we are left with the double bill of the tropes, liberator leaving orbit and bad guy getting the teleport bracelet tropes in one episode. 214 00:13:54.179 --> 00:13:56.519 That's for the bingo card, isn't it? 215 00:13:56.580 --> 00:13:57.960 It really is. 216 00:13:58.019 --> 00:13:59.279 We get full bingo on that one. 217 00:13:59.340 --> 00:14:04.080 So what would the what would the world be like if Avon controlled the Federation? 218 00:14:05.100 --> 00:14:07.919 Oh God, it would just be dreadful. 219 00:14:07.980 --> 00:14:11.100 Like I say, he's got this he's got this cursed touch. 220 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:22.559 It's a, it's a, it's a man living in a universe for, I don't know, I don't know how, um, well, you guys know Tolkien, but there's a, there's a character in the Silmarillion called Turin Turin Bar. 221 00:14:22.620 --> 00:14:24.779 And he's he's got a curse on him. 222 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:28.799 And literally everything he touches, like he'll pick up a tool to make something. 223 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:41.460 Uh, and it, the tool will snap and then the thing he's making will kind of break and everything he does just sort of is warped in some way because he's got this, this curse by the uh, the evil overlord on him. 224 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:44.519 And this is the universe that Avon inhabits. 225 00:14:44.580 --> 00:14:47.519 Everything he does just goes incredibly wrong. 226 00:14:47.580 --> 00:14:50.580 So, it's, it's not really anything he does. 227 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:54.240 It's just the it's just the way that the universe has walked around him. 228 00:14:54.299 --> 00:14:56.879 So, you know, the Federation would be. 229 00:14:56.940 --> 00:15:01.559 Well, I I mean, what would happen is he'd take office and a pandemic would hit. 230 00:15:01.620 --> 00:15:01.860 Yeah. 231 00:15:04.019 --> 00:15:05.700 Just thinking that. 232 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:08.159 Yeah, that's exactly what would happen. 233 00:15:08.220 --> 00:15:12.059 And then, you know, there'd be hyperinflation and then they'd, I don't know, an alien. 234 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:17.279 I don't know, the kind of volcano would go off or something, you know, it's just all goes badly wrong. 235 00:15:17.340 --> 00:15:21.000 There'll be these 20 mile queues to the teleport room. 236 00:15:24.059 --> 00:15:24.720 Exactly. 237 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:25.559 Nothing goes wrong. 238 00:15:25.620 --> 00:15:27.000 Nothing goes right for it, ever. 239 00:15:27.059 --> 00:15:30.779 And we're picking up, almost in the last act with Evan, are we? 240 00:15:30.779 --> 00:15:39.539 You know, the 1st time we meet him, his running off with his girlfriend with a 1000000000 credits in his pocket has all gone to crap because his girlfriend's shopped him in. 241 00:15:42.659 --> 00:15:44.879 So it's all just cursed, yeah. 242 00:15:45.059 --> 00:15:47.519 And that gets worse next year. 243 00:15:47.580 --> 00:15:48.720 Yeah. 244 00:15:48.779 --> 00:15:49.919 Yeah. 245 00:15:49.980 --> 00:15:54.299 There's a lovely little touch and it almost feels like the sort of thing that Darrow might have changed himself. 246 00:15:54.360 --> 00:16:02.759 I don't know. at the end of that reprise scene where they all very efficiently give us a summary of what's happened so far and where we're going. 247 00:16:02.820 --> 00:16:07.500 And then Avon and Villa have a little aside, and Villa says something about what they're all going to do. 248 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:10.320 And everyone's replies are, you don't have a chance. 249 00:16:10.379 --> 00:16:13.919 And he means you as in the 6 the others, not him. 250 00:16:13.980 --> 00:16:16.860 It's not, it's not, we don't, we wouldn't stand a chance. 251 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:22.919 It's you wouldn't stand a chance to them. unless it's one of those little touches about him being, I'm not part of your gang. 252 00:16:22.980 --> 00:16:24.120 I just happen to be here kind of thing. 253 00:16:24.179 --> 00:16:25.620 Yeah, yeah. 254 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:31.799 I mean, I've got nowhere else to go, and no friends other than you, but... 255 00:16:31.919 --> 00:16:40.620 Yeah, I mean, he's really just biding his time, isn't he, to get the liberator because he's sure he's going to get the liberator because Blake is going to do something so big. 256 00:16:40.679 --> 00:16:48.539 That means Blake is going to be out of the question, like leaves the series, get to the end of his contract and bugger off. 257 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:54.179 So, yeah, and he's just hoping against hope still that he gets that. 258 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:55.860 And then, of course, next week he does get it. 259 00:16:55.860 --> 00:16:59.039 And then has to fight a great big alien war. 260 00:16:59.220 --> 00:17:07.259 And then when he, well, we won't go to immediate spoilers, but then even his sort of taking over the liberator is all spoiled as well, isn't it? 261 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:11.400 So again, that coerced universe warps everything that he touches. 262 00:17:11.460 --> 00:17:16.319 So, um, well, you know, it's all right, I quite like seeing him suffer. 263 00:17:16.440 --> 00:17:20.220 Some kind of monkey's poor incident in his distant past, isn't there? 264 00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:22.680 There is, yeah. 265 00:17:30.059 --> 00:17:34.200 Yeah, is this our 1st mention after they've done their thing and blown up that ship? 266 00:17:34.259 --> 00:17:36.119 Callie says, take us back, standards by 12. 267 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:37.859 Is that our 1st 12? 268 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:48.000 Maybe I've not been paying attention, but it seems like suddenly standard by 12 seems like a big deal for getting back again, where previously they've rushed off to try and give people life-saving operations at standard by 6 or whatever. 269 00:17:48.059 --> 00:17:48.420 It's like. 270 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:51.720 Pete, don't try and make sense of it. 271 00:17:51.779 --> 00:17:54.539 Well, there was only, it was only Gan, wasn't it? 272 00:17:54.599 --> 00:17:56.460 So, you know, there's no particular haste. 273 00:17:56.579 --> 00:17:59.099 Cost of space petrol these days. 274 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:02.400 Can we can we stop off and get some chips on the road? 275 00:18:04.140 --> 00:18:16.920 Pete, if you think about this too much. you'll be in the same zone as like the master destroyed half the universe in Lagopolis and the other half, the other half got knackered in flux. but next week it's fine. 276 00:18:16.980 --> 00:18:17.579 You know. 277 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:23.819 You're quite touchingly looking for consistency across these scripts, which I think is an admirable thing. 278 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:29.940 I think they're really giving it. they're really giving it a stab, aren't they, with this stal one narrative? 279 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:32.099 They really are trying to do a kind of miniarch. 280 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:35.279 And for the 70s, I think they did. 281 00:18:35.339 --> 00:18:36.119 I think they do all right. 282 00:18:36.180 --> 00:18:37.680 Okay, it's not. 283 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:40.319 Yeah, it's key back a key to time or something, isn't it? 284 00:18:40.380 --> 00:18:43.259 And this does really feel like a key to time story to me. 285 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:47.460 It could so easily be that the king's. so why do they keep saying thong? 286 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:49.920 It upsets me at the start. 287 00:18:49.980 --> 00:18:50.880 It's on a thong. 288 00:18:50.940 --> 00:18:51.779 Don't call it that. 289 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:54.720 It's just particularly the Bruce bloody purchase. 290 00:18:54.960 --> 00:18:57.720 It's just not where my brain wants to go. 291 00:18:57.779 --> 00:18:59.640 But I know the word has other meanings. 292 00:18:59.700 --> 00:19:03.000 But um, it could just as easily be the key to time, couldn't it? 293 00:19:03.059 --> 00:19:04.619 And Jenna could be remana. 294 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:06.599 That would just be a really coast. 295 00:19:06.599 --> 00:19:12.299 You'd have to give the doctors something to do, some pad out to 4 episodes, bring it up to 4 episodes. 296 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:14.940 But, um, yeah, it's it's. 297 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:24.240 Do we think the king's, um, the child, I guess that's child Mangya shortened, is, um, his his skull was, has he been lobotomised? 298 00:19:24.299 --> 00:19:26.579 Is that why he's like he is? 299 00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:31.319 Was he always like that and he's just had a brain operation unrelatedly to save his life? 300 00:19:31.380 --> 00:19:38.940 I wasn't sure about that, whether we were meant to be taking that he'd actually been changed by his brain operation and that's why he's so. 301 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:40.259 Now he is. 302 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:42.480 Oh, I'd never thought of that. 303 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:44.339 I'd never thought of that. 304 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:51.240 Um, uh, you mean, um, You mean the Brian Purchase character? 305 00:19:51.299 --> 00:19:52.799 It's Freddie. 306 00:19:52.859 --> 00:19:53.099 Yeah. 307 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:54.960 Oh, yes. 308 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:58.799 That really does that wear. 309 00:19:58.859 --> 00:20:00.720 Frantically search. 310 00:20:00.779 --> 00:20:01.440 Oh, that's interesting. 311 00:20:01.500 --> 00:20:03.240 I'd never I'd never thought that. 312 00:20:03.299 --> 00:20:04.559 That scar is great, by the way. 313 00:20:04.619 --> 00:20:06.900 When you can finally see that on kind of ADM. 314 00:20:06.960 --> 00:20:08.220 Yeah, lovely crisscrossing. 315 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:12.720 Yeah, he does a very good way of revealing it, doesn't he? 316 00:20:12.779 --> 00:20:20.160 He sort of, like, plays with his hair and sort of does his posh voice a little bit and then moves it out of the way and he's sort of like, what is that? 317 00:20:20.220 --> 00:20:21.720 What's going on under all that yellow, you know? 318 00:20:21.779 --> 00:20:27.599 And then it's proper kind of Frankenstein or Morbius. really, it's really, it's really quite nasty. 319 00:20:27.660 --> 00:20:29.460 It's a little bit of goth. 320 00:20:29.460 --> 00:20:36.599 Gothic stuff there, but um, Yeah, I hadn't thought of that, but I, I mean, they, all they really need it. 321 00:20:36.660 --> 00:20:42.059 I mean, the, the, the, way that regime change seems to happen is just by punching someone, isn't it? 322 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:45.900 But then, but then Kara just... 323 00:20:45.900 --> 00:20:47.579 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 324 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:52.920 Kara just lets them all kill each other and then and then, you know, a sense of throne, which is by far the most sensible thing to do. 325 00:20:52.980 --> 00:20:55.440 Yeah, because she poisons Gola, doesn't she? 326 00:20:55.500 --> 00:21:06.660 Because he survives and then she gives him the wine with the poisoning, so she has done exactly what they did to their father, all, well almost, and deposed them both and got the power. 327 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:07.680 Yep. 328 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:10.559 And doesn't do much to get her father back on the throne. 329 00:21:10.980 --> 00:21:13.380 No, no, nothing at all. 330 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:18.359 She just, she wants her brother's dead. 331 00:21:18.420 --> 00:21:24.779 Her father dead and everybody, uh, all these uh, weirdo, um, aliens off the world. 332 00:21:24.839 --> 00:21:25.440 Thank you very much. 333 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:26.819 Happy with these tents. 334 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:30.359 I wonder if she has her full back. 335 00:21:30.420 --> 00:21:32.700 Yeah, she's quite fond of that fool isn't she? 336 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:34.380 So... 337 00:21:34.500 --> 00:21:39.420 Yeah, you'd see her reinstating him as like a prime minister under her under her rule. 338 00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:53.460 Because she, um, Frida Jackson, that was her name, and she's, uh, she's got a really, um, prestigious CV, like things like Henry, she's in the Olivier Henry V, uh, but also gets a real good sideline in doing witches around this time. 339 00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:54.660 She's in Clash of the Titans. 340 00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:57.599 And do you remember Valley of Grangi, is it? 341 00:21:57.599 --> 00:22:01.920 Or Grangi, the Dinosaur Valley movie with Ray Harryhausen dinosaurs from the 60s. 342 00:22:01.980 --> 00:22:02.940 She's a witch in that too. 343 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:05.039 So she's perfected that smoky cackle. 344 00:22:05.099 --> 00:22:07.859 She's really worked that up. great. 345 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:12.599 I bet if you look up her age, though, she's probably, this always happens with that. 346 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:16.079 She's probably something like, yeah, like 47 or something. 347 00:22:16.500 --> 00:22:18.539 Younger than me. 348 00:22:19.500 --> 00:22:21.960 The meetings with the agent now, can't you? 349 00:22:22.019 --> 00:22:23.579 So we've got these crone rolls coming up. 350 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:25.259 39. 351 00:22:26.819 --> 00:22:28.920 We'll give you a good week. 352 00:22:31.140 --> 00:22:34.500 Come on, free love, you got that cuckle jam, Pat. 353 00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:36.299 I can't put it to waste. 354 00:22:37.619 --> 00:22:59.339 The other thing I like about, I always like about watching 70s television, um, that was, it's something we touched on before, is about them taking the um, taking the liberator off, uh, station, uh, and doing that is, um, uh, I always feel like they haven't, they haven't had the benefit of watching uh, a 90s onward science fiction. 355 00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:00.359 So... 356 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:05.519 It's like they don't know how the plot of television science fiction works, yeah. 357 00:23:05.579 --> 00:23:10.920 Because obviously the writers and producers are still kind of working out what you can do. 358 00:23:10.980 --> 00:23:15.900 You see this particularly in the 60s, um, in Doctor Who, and it carries solid blokes 7. 359 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:22.200 We are going to, uh, we are going to take this capsule on board, fill 18 minutes of the episode. 360 00:23:22.259 --> 00:23:25.259 We're going to fly through a mortex. 361 00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:31.559 Literally something that would take, you know, you wouldn't even see it on something like the expense now. 362 00:23:31.619 --> 00:23:32.880 Yeah, you'd cut that. 363 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:34.500 Because we all know how that happens. 364 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:37.019 Um, but you don't. 365 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:38.400 They they don't. 366 00:23:38.460 --> 00:23:41.460 Like so, which is really touching. 367 00:23:41.579 --> 00:23:51.119 Um, so they've, they've not watched, uh, uh, Deep Space 9, uh, Babylon 5, um, BSG, the nooces, or the X-Fence. 368 00:23:51.180 --> 00:23:52.019 They have not watched any of that. 369 00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:54.960 They live in a very slow Analogue. 370 00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:56.819 Science fiction future. 371 00:23:56.940 --> 00:24:01.019 They're trying to reenact the actual moon landings. with every scene, you know. 372 00:24:01.079 --> 00:24:01.799 Yeah. 373 00:24:01.859 --> 00:24:04.380 Which is probably more true to life. 374 00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:06.720 I think what something like the expanse does really well. 375 00:24:06.779 --> 00:24:08.039 I'm quite obsessed with the expense. 376 00:24:08.099 --> 00:24:12.480 You do get the feeling of the boredom of space. but not as a viewer. 377 00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:22.259 Well, I mean, the expanse does just digression because I could talk about this for hours as well. 378 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:25.559 The expanse spends ages slowing ships down. 379 00:24:25.619 --> 00:24:30.779 They're coming towards planets the wrong way round and firing thrusters because they're slowing down. 380 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:32.880 Whereas the enterprise just goes, stop. 381 00:24:34.740 --> 00:24:36.779 Got really good breaks. 382 00:24:40.740 --> 00:25:03.119 Well, I mean, it's something, I guess, is something we picked up on before is um, why is there not someone permanently set, sat in the teleport bay waiting for them to get into danger, because every week they get into danger and need teleporting as an emergency, and even if they've gone off station, just have someone just, oh, Kelly, just pop over to the teleport. 383 00:25:03.180 --> 00:25:05.339 Yeah, get ready because they're probably in trouble. 384 00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:07.380 Why can't they just get a cable? 385 00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:09.240 But Aurac. 386 00:25:09.299 --> 00:25:09.900 Yes. 387 00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:10.799 Yeah. 388 00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:12.839 Because that's what they usually do, isn't it? 389 00:25:12.900 --> 00:25:15.839 They never quite think that out because you've got the teleport station nowhere near. 390 00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:18.359 Not, not, it's still quite clear, is it? 391 00:25:18.420 --> 00:25:22.980 And sometimes all rights operating it, and sometimes Auracs operating it from the flight deck. 392 00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:31.079 And sometimes I think some of them are operating it from the flight deck, it's all very shady, and then sometimes you've got filler sitting there on the spot. 393 00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:39.900 And the plot light in rumours, the plot hangs on him, not taking the uh, rival coordinates. 394 00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:42.059 You go, I've never heard of these in... 395 00:25:42.059 --> 00:25:46.440 2.5 years of meticulously over watching this show. 396 00:25:46.500 --> 00:25:47.700 Did that? 397 00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:49.680 When did that pop up? 398 00:25:49.740 --> 00:25:51.420 They love a bit of movement, don't they? 399 00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:55.859 when a call comes in when they're on the flight deck. 400 00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:57.359 I would not call it the console room. 401 00:25:57.420 --> 00:25:58.680 We're all on the flight deck. 402 00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:05.940 And when the beaver goes and someone's sending them a transmission, someone has to run from behind their big chairs at the back and run down the front to get it before the answer machine kicks in. 403 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:09.180 It's like, but it creates movement, doesn't it? 404 00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:10.140 And that's what they'd tell us. 405 00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:11.099 That's what they're producing. 406 00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:12.599 It's the same with the neutral masters. 407 00:26:12.660 --> 00:26:14.759 Everything is one of those cream sofas. 408 00:26:15.420 --> 00:26:22.799 Well, you want to be firing in a wall in comfort, don't you, on the sofa rather than the very uncomfortable liberated chairs. 409 00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:33.359 And the, what you try and do is when you, when you spend far too much imaginative space in these places, you try and wreck on it so it works like so the, all the slap and that kind of thing. 410 00:26:33.420 --> 00:26:42.059 Um, and you think, well, something happened that means that they're, uh, that their technology has kind of retrode in some way. 411 00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:43.680 Did, did something. 412 00:26:43.740 --> 00:26:45.119 Why have they got these giant? 413 00:26:45.180 --> 00:26:48.180 Oh, you know why they've got these giant 60s computers and no internet? 414 00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:49.079 Of course we know why. 415 00:26:49.140 --> 00:26:56.220 But is there a way that it's, people talk about the kind of, when you're explaining a problem in a text. 416 00:26:56.220 --> 00:27:01.619 You go for a doilist explanation, which goes, well, that's because X hadn't been invented. 417 00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:03.720 Yeah, because you're in the real universe. 418 00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:10.019 Or you go for a Watsonian explanation, which is where you try and explain it within the parameters of the universe. 419 00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:10.319 Yes. 420 00:27:10.380 --> 00:27:13.680 Doyle would explain it one way, but Watson is in frame. 421 00:27:13.740 --> 00:27:16.559 Um, so I try and think, well, what happened? 422 00:27:16.619 --> 00:27:19.740 whatever apocalypse, did it, did it wipe out? 423 00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:21.299 Did it wipe out? 424 00:27:21.299 --> 00:27:25.140 Every, was it like the burn or something and they couldn't? 425 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:28.019 They had to completely reinvent computing technology. 426 00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:31.319 Uh, and and they didn't have any digital stuff. 427 00:27:31.380 --> 00:27:31.799 I don't know. 428 00:27:31.859 --> 00:27:32.519 I don't know enough. 429 00:27:32.579 --> 00:27:34.200 You saw me trying to fix my headphones earlier. 430 00:27:34.259 --> 00:27:34.740 I don't know. 431 00:27:35.339 --> 00:27:39.900 But you try and you try and re- why have they gone back to valves, basically? 432 00:27:40.019 --> 00:27:44.220 A really big chunky car phones in the case of Travis. 433 00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:47.279 I mean, Chloe's underground, but that phone is amazing. 434 00:27:47.339 --> 00:27:50.279 It's something from Calhoun Warehouse, 1979, isn't it? 435 00:27:50.339 --> 00:27:56.220 But of course, but anyone watching at the time would see it as like a World War 2 field radio, really, isn't it? 436 00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:57.900 Yeah, exactly that. 437 00:27:58.019 --> 00:27:59.940 So, yeah. 438 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:03.720 Battlestar Galactica do that in real time, don't they? 439 00:28:03.779 --> 00:28:11.160 But in the reboot by having it in the plot that we can't use radio communications or none of our computers can be networked. 440 00:28:11.220 --> 00:28:19.140 So that means you've got shots of people clutching phones, talking to people at the other end of the ship on the big chunky ship phone, a bit like Travis's. 441 00:28:19.380 --> 00:28:27.480 It will be really interesting to see how when and how quickly and in what way something like the expanse dates, actually. 442 00:28:27.539 --> 00:28:32.039 Uh, Will we go, whoa, that's so 2021. 443 00:28:33.180 --> 00:28:34.559 Exactly. 444 00:28:34.619 --> 00:28:46.500 If you look at if you look at some of the 1st season episodes where they had a little bit less money, it's like, oh, that is a green screen, you know, or something, but, uh, well, we still, you know, could they could still do the last 3 books. never know. 445 00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:54.779 But particularly, I'm thinking of the, because I really love them, like they've got, they've got things like tablets, something between a mobile phone and a tablet, haven't they? 446 00:28:54.779 --> 00:28:59.039 They're beautiful and see-through, and they're really, I think they, and they look fantastic now. 447 00:28:59.099 --> 00:29:02.279 But 5 years, what they're going to look like. 448 00:29:02.339 --> 00:29:08.640 And it's always those little personal devices like the pads in DS9 that they've got a great big stack of them. 449 00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:12.359 It's like one book is on every single thing or one report. 450 00:29:12.420 --> 00:29:13.740 Here are my reports. 451 00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:15.779 Yeah, exactly. 452 00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:19.319 No, because it is 1995. 453 00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:28.079 Where's the expanse of, as you say, have gone, well, let's make these screens that sort of pop out and project into air. 454 00:29:28.140 --> 00:29:36.539 So that when that is invented, it looked like we did invent, like all this stuff's popping out of the rice and stuff like that. 455 00:29:36.779 --> 00:29:42.599 Whereas, as you say, you've got Travis with a giant phone he shouts into. 456 00:29:42.660 --> 00:29:49.019 Um, uh, yeah, I'm not sure about some of the delivery of his lines in this episode either. 457 00:29:49.380 --> 00:29:51.720 He feels a little bit worn out. 458 00:29:51.779 --> 00:29:53.940 It's like he's trying something different every week. 459 00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:58.799 This week he's sort of trying to be more Jacqueline Piercy almost. but shoutier. 460 00:29:58.980 --> 00:30:12.240 I don't know where he can, he can go with it because there's a bit where he, in his 1st scene, he walks up to the king and he literally says, ha, ha, ha, like just saying the word, the word ha. 461 00:30:12.299 --> 00:30:14.940 And it's like, did the script say he laughs? 462 00:30:14.940 --> 00:30:23.519 But Jacqueline Pierce has got that vamp energy, which, bless him, he just doesn't really have in his DNA because I think that's something that very few of his really got. 463 00:30:23.579 --> 00:30:30.539 He's criminally underdirected, isn't he, in his 1st Yeah, doesn't doesn't he and the director have got a real beef against each other. 464 00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:33.420 So he's, he's criminally underdirected in stuff. 465 00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:35.339 I think the director is pretty much ignoring him, wasn't he? 466 00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:37.319 in his in his 1st appearance. 467 00:30:37.380 --> 00:30:43.259 So it's a bit of a rocky, a rocky starts for Brian because he's great in other stuff. 468 00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:44.640 I seen him in other stuff and he's brilliant. 469 00:30:44.700 --> 00:30:46.740 He pops up in Andy Robinson's memoir. 470 00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:47.880 Uh, you know. 471 00:30:47.940 --> 00:30:49.140 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 472 00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.079 Mates at Lambda in the in the 60s. 473 00:30:52.140 --> 00:30:53.579 So there you go. 474 00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:55.019 I bring everything back to you. 475 00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:55.980 Very good. 476 00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:57.420 There you go. 477 00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:03.539 Um, Well, I assume it's a, a, a, you know, I assume it's the same Brian Croucher. 478 00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:06.119 So, it's a common name. 479 00:31:06.180 --> 00:31:07.559 We should ask next time, you know? 480 00:31:07.619 --> 00:31:08.759 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 481 00:31:08.819 --> 00:31:09.599 But he's some... 482 00:31:09.660 --> 00:31:22.980 Yeah, so I think it's because because Stephen Griff has got this sort of um, Feline, uh, energy, hasn't he, sort of, um, sort of, uh, he's, he's sort of coldly, um, silkily amoral. 483 00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:25.380 Um, and poor O'Brien. 484 00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:26.640 I think has to come in and shout. 485 00:31:26.700 --> 00:31:29.519 I mean, it's ridiculous making it the same character. 486 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:30.779 Yeah. for one thing. 487 00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:32.880 It's just, it's just, I don't know what they were thinking. 488 00:31:32.940 --> 00:31:38.039 Um, And then I think he never, uh, uh, I mean, I really love his speech and trial. 489 00:31:38.099 --> 00:31:41.339 I think it's, you know, Yeah. 490 00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:43.319 Yeah, that's his finest moment, really, isn't it? 491 00:31:43.380 --> 00:31:46.740 Yeah, and he's got that kind of shouting lunacy. 492 00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:49.680 You've got burning, heck, this, you wouldn't put this guy. 493 00:31:49.980 --> 00:31:53.220 Anywhere near weapons, would you? 494 00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:54.420 There's going to be a massacre. 495 00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:57.240 Um, I think he's really great in that, see. 496 00:31:57.299 --> 00:31:58.140 I love that. love that speech. 497 00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:00.539 But he never quite finds it, does he? 498 00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:06.839 It sort of hovers between that sort of dangerous, quiet voice and the big shouting scream. 499 00:32:06.900 --> 00:32:10.200 Well, there is the other voice from voices from the past. 500 00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:16.559 God, why do we watch this program? 501 00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:25.319 No, you just said that with the exact tone that Jacqueline Pierce has a couple of her lines in this episode. 502 00:32:25.380 --> 00:32:32.579 And it exactly resonates with what you were saying earlier about there being a character who has that modern mentality of, oh my god, why am I putting up with all this? 503 00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:35.039 And that is very much where Servesland is. 504 00:32:35.099 --> 00:32:37.559 So I guess he can't, Travis can't do that too. 505 00:32:37.619 --> 00:32:38.940 So what can, yeah. 506 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:45.059 Yeah, he's trying to move around it and find a way to lock into it that doesn't, then there just isn't anything to do because she's just owning it so much. 507 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:52.200 Because, well, I've always, so going back, so for me, this rewatch has been the, I don't know seasons one or 2 very well at all. 508 00:32:52.259 --> 00:32:53.220 I didn't see them when I was a kid. 509 00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:57.960 I saw them once in the 90s, and so this is me revisiting them properly, quite freshly. 510 00:32:58.019 --> 00:33:05.099 And seeing how Servoland develops from this steely politician to, by this point, she knows she's the star of this show. 511 00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:08.579 She knows she's in it because everyone wants Servoland to be in this episode. 512 00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:10.380 Soverland doesn't really have much to do in this episode. 513 00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:12.599 Um, and and at the end. 514 00:33:12.660 --> 00:33:14.039 Where is she? 515 00:33:14.099 --> 00:33:15.900 She's just still there, isn't she? 516 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:23.819 She just has a, she has that final scene with Jenna, about 10 minutes before the end, telling her that she, she doesn't think Travis will betray her, although she doesn't care if she does. 517 00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:26.819 She's still in that tent waiting for Gola to show up. 518 00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:31.740 So I'm sure that'll all be a drink next week. 519 00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:33.839 Yeah, yeah, where's my ship? 520 00:33:33.900 --> 00:33:36.240 Where are my grapes, Sonny, more grapes. 521 00:33:36.299 --> 00:33:36.900 Yeah. 522 00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:38.220 Yeah, me too. 523 00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:41.400 I mean, she's, we know where she is at the start of the next episode, don't we? 524 00:33:41.460 --> 00:33:45.000 She's, uh, maybe it's like at the adventure game. 525 00:33:45.059 --> 00:33:46.380 She's waiting for the bus. 526 00:33:50.579 --> 00:33:53.579 The space bus to take her home. 527 00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:56.160 Like the cat bus in tottero or something. 528 00:33:56.279 --> 00:34:01.380 A little huge Blowfell's white cat kind of rocks up and takes several, I know. 529 00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:02.819 I can picture her face. 530 00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:04.140 Exactly. 531 00:34:06.180 --> 00:34:10.800 We do need to do a podcast on Paul Darrow's adventure game episode. 532 00:34:10.860 --> 00:34:11.760 Yes. 533 00:34:11.820 --> 00:34:13.440 Yes, that is trippy as far. 534 00:34:13.500 --> 00:34:15.239 He's really sweet in it. 535 00:34:15.300 --> 00:34:17.579 Does he do a real A on turn at one point? 536 00:34:17.579 --> 00:34:22.019 He's very sweet in it. 537 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:23.579 I love that show. 538 00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:25.199 It stands out surprisingly well actually. 539 00:34:25.260 --> 00:34:28.860 We watched summer a couple months ago and it popped up on Britbox, didn't it? 540 00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:29.579 Yes. 541 00:34:29.579 --> 00:34:30.360 Yeah. 542 00:34:30.420 --> 00:34:40.440 And it's, uh, it's, it's, I, I think it probably went incredibly dated and now it's kind of, they're quite good puzzles and they're, they're really good fun. 543 00:34:41.820 --> 00:34:44.219 Yeah, you need to watch that after school. 544 00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:45.480 Take me back. 545 00:34:45.539 --> 00:34:47.400 But it took me a while. 546 00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:55.500 I watched a couple when they came up on when they on BritBox. and um, they uh, it took me a while to realise that one of the contestants each week is just a member of the public. 547 00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:59.460 I was like looking these people up on IMDb and being like, well, who is this person? 548 00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:04.619 Why is she there with a blue Peter presenter and just write this random woman or man? 549 00:35:04.739 --> 00:35:06.719 It's just some random, yeah. 550 00:35:07.980 --> 00:35:19.980 So I was reading, I think it was Neil Perman and Sue Perman's book, um, and Sue Perman's idea that, um, Could Avon be the new Travis and team up with Servilan? 551 00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:23.820 I thought that was a nice, what would that, an interesting twist, even for a while. 552 00:35:23.940 --> 00:35:24.900 We get it. 553 00:35:25.139 --> 00:35:30.420 We get it teased, don't we, in a couple of episodes when they're on Sarin, don't we? 554 00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:34.500 Um, so we get that, we get the 1st of a series of clinches. 555 00:35:34.619 --> 00:35:36.659 Imagination my only limit, yeah. 556 00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:45.119 Um, I think they've got a real, um, there's a, there's a wonderful picture, photograph of um, Paul and Jackie when they're a little bit older. 557 00:35:45.179 --> 00:35:52.260 I think they're both in their, um, They're both in the early 50s, I think, and they're doing a servilan and even clinch. 558 00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:58.500 Um, And they've got, I think they've got a real Anthony and Cleopatra energy. 559 00:35:58.559 --> 00:35:58.860 Yeah. 560 00:35:58.920 --> 00:35:59.400 Right. 561 00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:11.039 That's a real, you know, if you're making Blake 7 now, you'd maybe, you'd maybe play it like that with, um, Blake as, you know, Octavius or something, you'd probably go for something like that. 562 00:36:11.099 --> 00:36:13.619 But I think they could have. 563 00:36:13.980 --> 00:36:16.079 It's a wonderful photograph if I've got it somewhere. 564 00:36:16.139 --> 00:36:21.239 Um, but uh, they're just a little bit older, but they're still really glamorous. yeah? 565 00:36:21.300 --> 00:36:24.539 Um, But they're not Hollywood glamorous. 566 00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:27.900 Yeah, you can kind of see lines and age. 567 00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:32.219 It's a, it's a bit sort of um, Richard Burton and Elizabeth Cain. 568 00:36:32.219 --> 00:36:32.760 Yeah. 569 00:36:32.820 --> 00:36:33.780 Burton. 570 00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:38.159 Someone else, I think, was saying, Rich, like he does play it as Richard Burton. 571 00:36:38.219 --> 00:36:47.159 And so every time I watch where Eagles Dare, I'm just expecting, you know, Richard Burton to sort of do the thing with the gun that Avon does. teleport now, you know? 572 00:36:47.219 --> 00:36:48.420 Yeah. 573 00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:51.239 Um, so I would have, I would have been up for that. 574 00:36:51.300 --> 00:36:54.599 But of course, they weren't really writing like 7 like that, were they? 575 00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:56.579 They weren't they weren't writing these long arcs. 576 00:36:56.639 --> 00:37:10.320 Holy cow, we've got a gap where tearing us together these scripts and Chris is already written 15 and he's not allowed to do that because we're not supposed to do that on BBC because of union rules. 577 00:37:10.380 --> 00:37:13.739 So got a quick ring up Alan Pryor, see what he can do next week. 578 00:37:13.860 --> 00:37:16.559 Cliff and Jane Baker must have been the next choice. 579 00:37:16.619 --> 00:37:19.440 They were they were plan eggs. 580 00:37:19.500 --> 00:37:27.659 I mean, it's amazing really that we get so much character work as it is, which is quite rare for series in the 70s. 581 00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:44.039 The characters do change and develop and that Chris, you do feel Chris Boucher is keeping an eye on where they all are and what's happened to them all. even in a sort of vague way and the actors are obviously playing on this as well because there is continuity between them and their relationships. 582 00:37:44.099 --> 00:37:51.420 So that's always something I feel lifts Blake 7 up above the other shows of the time, really. 583 00:37:51.539 --> 00:37:54.900 That's the theatre training they've all got, isn't it? 584 00:37:54.960 --> 00:38:00.059 that they're all, that they, what they've been trained to do is to be part of a company. 585 00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:04.139 Um, and to work this together in rehearsal. 586 00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:11.280 So, um, which must have been so frustrating for people like John Chappell and and selling Ivette to not really. 587 00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:23.159 You, you, there's, there's some, there, uh, if the lines aren't there, there's really nothing you can do, and both of them get so much out of, uh, reaction shots, you know, they're, they're really putting the work in. 588 00:38:23.219 --> 00:38:25.380 Uh, to have some presence there. 589 00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:31.139 But I think that theatre training and that reaction, um, that kind of another rehearsal time is very brief. 590 00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:34.320 But that must be really what's putting that energy on screen, I think. 591 00:38:34.380 --> 00:38:40.739 Um, and can we just have a shout out for Michael Keating, who I think is like a criminally underrated accent. 592 00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:42.960 It's just amazing. 593 00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:44.519 He's always great. 594 00:38:44.579 --> 00:38:48.179 He's always great and they give him some real, you know, rubbish sometimes. 595 00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:51.599 But he always brings it, but there's always brilliant. 596 00:38:52.019 --> 00:38:58.739 They're definitely darning up a bit more of the humour as well, which is good to see, even with the magic tricks and stuff. 597 00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:10.320 And you've just reminded me of one of one bit where the court jester perfectly imitates his voice and I was like, wait, is he an, is he an Android of Tara? 598 00:39:10.380 --> 00:39:12.360 Or, you know, it was that was like... 599 00:39:13.260 --> 00:39:14.460 No, but it's cool. yeah you're right. 600 00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:15.539 And they work together really well. 601 00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:19.199 Villa and the guy playing the fool really have worked things out together. 602 00:39:19.260 --> 00:39:21.539 Like there's the bit where and where they both get carried away. 603 00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:26.519 I mean, it's done very over the top, but where they carried away and taken down below. 604 00:39:26.579 --> 00:39:29.340 Uh, and that they both shout, oh, I did nothing wrong. 605 00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:32.880 I did nothing wrong in exactly the same tone of voice as the other one does. 606 00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:35.219 Just, yeah. 607 00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:46.500 Yeah, and I like, I, I liked the sort of little attention to detail that Villa's magic tricks call back to Space Fall, and then I pull forward again, when, when we get to sarcophagus. 608 00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:48.900 That's his big skill is the conjuring tricks. 609 00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:54.300 So it's all that just that tiny little thing that they're just playing on that he does have this skill. 610 00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:57.420 So actually he would work well as the fall here. 611 00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:05.159 So yeah, it's probably inadvertently done and you just making connections that weren't made at the time, but it's all there. 612 00:40:05.340 --> 00:40:06.719 Yep. 613 00:40:06.780 --> 00:40:09.719 And or Alan Pryor remembers something, wasn't he? 614 00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:12.420 Oh, isn't there something in a script? 615 00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:13.500 there's a script somewhere. 616 00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:21.059 There's a draft of a script somewhere, which is, or did it, did it get to the, um, The syndeton experiment or something that Villa's constantly eating? 617 00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:23.519 Somebody's, somebody's latched onto that as a. 618 00:40:23.579 --> 00:40:26.940 Yeah, that's a big thing in the radio plays, isn't it? 619 00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:27.780 Yeah, yeah. 620 00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:28.440 Somebody's kind of. 621 00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:30.539 Someone's misremembered. 622 00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:31.739 Yeah, it's not, it's not eating. 623 00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:33.780 It's drinking. 624 00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:47.280 It's Midori in the 1st few seasons and then it's like rosé wine from series D. He gets that Villa gets that lovely bit of the interplay between Villa and Jenner is really good, isn't it? 625 00:40:47.340 --> 00:40:52.920 Because they know that the 2 of them are stranded here and they're not and they're separated and she will do everything to get him back. 626 00:40:52.980 --> 00:40:58.559 So she's got an ally and sets up the, you know, pretend fakes being poisoned so that the real the fool will be taken away. 627 00:40:58.619 --> 00:41:05.699 And then he gets that lovely bit of line about the ring, the ring being liberated, with a break below and a Blake, a Blake below, right? 628 00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:07.079 Blake below. 629 00:41:07.139 --> 00:41:08.099 She didn't know. 630 00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:09.300 Yeah, doesn't it's not subtle? 631 00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:10.139 It's not subtle. 632 00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:11.039 What? 633 00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:12.780 Villa, what are you saying? 634 00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:18.599 You've been on the new key brown again, Villa. 635 00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:37.619 And there's a lovely bit that I noticed this time that I hadn't noticed before of when, when, um, Gola is asking for more wine, and Villa's holding out his goblet, and then he's passed over both times the wine goes backwards and forwards, and he just looks so, so crestfallen at that. 636 00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:41.219 And I put a 1000 quid on that not being scripted. 637 00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:42.960 That's something they've worked up in rehearsal. 638 00:41:43.019 --> 00:41:43.320 Yes. 639 00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:43.619 Yep. 640 00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:44.340 Yeah, yeah. 641 00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:45.960 And the direct's gone. 642 00:41:46.019 --> 00:41:46.199 Great. 643 00:41:46.260 --> 00:41:52.199 Yeah, we'll shoot that because, you know, I didn't know how I was going to shoot this other than to make it a really rubbish and static. 644 00:41:54.900 --> 00:41:56.880 I really want a drink now. 645 00:41:59.940 --> 00:42:02.159 Adrenaline is so bad. 646 00:42:02.219 --> 00:42:03.300 That's only after midday. 647 00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:03.599 Yeah. 648 00:42:03.659 --> 00:42:04.139 Yeah. 649 00:42:05.699 --> 00:42:08.280 Well, we're all in the UK on this episode. 650 00:42:08.340 --> 00:42:14.280 It's very unfair when we're recording with half of us in Australia because for them it's like midnight and they're having a lovely evening. 651 00:42:14.340 --> 00:42:17.699 We're sad. at 9 AM on a Saturday. 652 00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:21.000 Yeah, yeah, but their evening will be over first. 653 00:42:21.059 --> 00:42:22.559 You've still got... 654 00:42:22.619 --> 00:42:23.340 Yeah, exactly. 655 00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:24.780 The day is young for us. 656 00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:31.260 I only, I, for the 1st time, I googled Alan Pryor because I didn't know much about him at all before doing this. 657 00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:38.460 And I did not know at all what a what a complete stalwart of TV schedules he was from like the 50s, right through to the 80s. 658 00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:41.340 Over a 100 episodes of Zed cars written. 659 00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:45.179 And, um, uh, and co-creator of Howard's Way. 660 00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:45.539 Yeah. 661 00:42:45.539 --> 00:42:46.199 Yeah. 662 00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:49.440 Now, he's absolutely solid BBC. 663 00:42:49.500 --> 00:42:52.139 There'll be loads of stuff like softly softly as well, won't there? 664 00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:53.039 But, yeah. 665 00:42:53.099 --> 00:43:04.559 I went to, so the BBC have a written archive in Caversham, which is the kind of mecca for A certain type of television, afficionado. 666 00:43:04.619 --> 00:43:12.900 And it's it's one of the nicest places in the world. and it's where they keep all the, all the bureaucracy. 667 00:43:13.019 --> 00:43:28.320 All the files, all the requests for, you know, um, uh, All the contracts, yeah, uh, all the, all the requests for small pieces of um, prop and that kind of thing. all the receipts for all the sandwiches that they ate while they were filming the garlic master plan. 668 00:43:28.380 --> 00:43:30.239 Pretty much, yeah. 669 00:43:30.300 --> 00:43:32.099 But none of the Darlic must have done. 670 00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:32.579 Yeah, yeah. 671 00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:33.179 Exactly that. 672 00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:36.599 We kept all the paperwork. because we'll need that. not the actual content. 673 00:43:36.659 --> 00:43:43.260 And you can request it by show and there are sort of, I think there are sort of maybe 3 or 4 Blake 7 files. 674 00:43:43.380 --> 00:43:51.719 Um, and then Alan Pryors is a is a massive start because there's all the stuff about the contracts and and it's just absolutely huge. 675 00:43:51.780 --> 00:43:58.199 And my, my favourite treasures are um, There's the sheet music for Dana's song. 676 00:43:58.260 --> 00:43:59.280 Oh, wow. 677 00:43:59.340 --> 00:44:04.019 Yeah, which is I nearly cried when I saw that. 678 00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:07.860 This is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. 679 00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:10.380 I think it presumably it's written titanically. 680 00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:23.099 Um, And then the absolute joy of Ben Steed's uh, file, which is a series of very, very, very, good god, they coach that man so hard. 681 00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:28.860 Uh, it, it's sort of letters explaining why, why his stuff is really quite bad. 682 00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:33.539 But in a way that will encourage him. 683 00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:38.280 I taught creative writing for a long time and I recognised exactly that kind of response. 684 00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:43.380 I've written that to a very, very, very nice. 685 00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:48.780 Young person whom I've not wanted to discourage or upset. 686 00:44:49.019 --> 00:44:54.239 But I've really wanted to kind of say you need to think very differently about how you're approaching this. 687 00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:57.960 And bless them. you know, he gets some scripts on screen, doesn't he? 688 00:44:58.500 --> 00:45:00.300 Miraculously. 689 00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:07.440 Um, but Alan Pryors, yeah, like you say, it's, it's, it's just a, uh, an absolute stock, he'd be absolutely solid. 690 00:45:07.500 --> 00:45:13.679 Um, he would be the person that you would drink up and say, Christ, Alan, I'm absolutely stuffed. 691 00:45:13.739 --> 00:45:15.539 Um, can you do something? 692 00:45:15.659 --> 00:45:28.619 And it will have, you know, um, It will have an opening fight scene of, you know, uh, cod mediaeval people, uh, running around and hitting people with clubs, and it will have some waha ha-has. 693 00:45:28.739 --> 00:45:39.360 Um, But, but actually, like I, like I say, you kind of dig a bit with a keeper and um, there's, there's loads of fun stuff and and the main thing is the actors bringing it. 694 00:45:39.420 --> 00:45:40.019 Yep. 695 00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:45.000 I think it's missing just Ken Masters showing up in a mini metro to beat people up. 696 00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:54.300 And you have now established BBC Caversham as Star One and Nadine Doris as Blake. 697 00:45:54.360 --> 00:46:14.639 Oh my god, I would, I mean, there are many things I would march for, but touching the written archive at Caversham, I think there's a, there's a sort of, um, there's a subset of very quiet, very, very gentle TV researchers, who I think would come out. to protect the retinal archive at Carrisham. 698 00:46:14.699 --> 00:46:16.380 It's the most incredible place. 699 00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:18.420 I'm swinging a job. 700 00:46:18.420 --> 00:46:19.320 I didn't get. 701 00:46:19.380 --> 00:46:22.679 Oh no. would have been in heaven. 702 00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:25.199 Just up the road really, isn't it? 703 00:46:25.260 --> 00:46:26.579 It is just up the road. 704 00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:28.860 It's the most peaceful place. 705 00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:33.360 They've got rid of the so it's these these little sort of 40s huts, isn't it? 706 00:46:33.420 --> 00:46:33.599 Yeah. 707 00:46:33.659 --> 00:46:38.099 And then they used to have that huge hall as well, but I think the BBC have got rid of that. 708 00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:50.219 When I went the 1st time, you kind of, you get a little piece of paper that was your permission to go into the, um, the cafe, at the big hall up the road, which was, um, I don't had BBC Reading or whatever it was, I don't know, but BBC something. 709 00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:52.199 But they've got rid of that place now haven't they? 710 00:46:52.260 --> 00:46:54.420 The BBC had had that for ages. 711 00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:55.980 They'd had it all through the 40s, I think. 712 00:46:56.039 --> 00:46:57.360 Old stately home. 713 00:46:57.420 --> 00:47:00.179 Um, But it's it's an amazing place. 714 00:47:00.780 --> 00:47:03.000 Use it or lose it. 715 00:47:04.139 --> 00:47:13.019 I've just Googled it and it says something like BBC sells Caversham after 4 years on the market or something like that. 716 00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:15.420 So, yeah, Captain Park. 717 00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:19.440 That's the big old stately house, but the written archive. 718 00:47:19.500 --> 00:47:21.900 So that would, that was a, that was a sort of broadcasting. 719 00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:27.360 I think they did broadcaster and that. such a shame because it, yeah, they'd had it forever. 720 00:47:27.420 --> 00:47:37.260 It's that, you know, um, but the written archive is set a little bit off and it's these sort of little huts, uh, and and they've got all the all the stuff stuff there. 721 00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:40.500 I mean, it's a major um British archive. 722 00:47:40.619 --> 00:47:42.059 It's, like I say, it's all the paperwork. 723 00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:45.659 It's not it's not any of the sort of visual or audio stuff. 724 00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:47.760 Like you say, they've torched all that. 725 00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:51.960 But it's, you plenty a day out. 726 00:47:52.019 --> 00:47:52.559 Yeah. 727 00:47:52.619 --> 00:48:01.559 Yeah, you have to, you sort of have to, um, yeah, you've got, you've got to, you've got to write and get permission to visit and, um, sort of, have a credible reason to go. 728 00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:02.519 Okay. 729 00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:04.980 They're very... podcast, damn it. 730 00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:09.059 We're, we're researching Blake 7, you could, we've got to try that. 731 00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:09.900 That's what I tried. 732 00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:16.019 When I emailed, there was, well, I was at university at the time, so it was, I was trying to do a book up like something, didn't come together. 733 00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:21.239 Um, uh, they were, uh, I think the person who answered my email was a massive blake, 7 pound. 734 00:48:21.300 --> 00:48:22.079 She said I'll get you in. 735 00:48:22.980 --> 00:48:25.500 Send you a teleport bracelet. 736 00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:26.760 Yeah, pretty much you could. 737 00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:27.900 Just just seat your... 738 00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:29.880 Well, we could definitely fit you in on that Tuesday. 739 00:48:29.940 --> 00:48:35.519 She wants to go and get the files, have a good sniff through them, so they were brilliant, yeah. 740 00:48:35.579 --> 00:48:38.400 It's my 1st visit to an archive like that. 741 00:48:38.460 --> 00:48:39.360 You really get the bug. 742 00:48:39.420 --> 00:48:41.159 So, um, that's sheet music. 743 00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:42.840 Bless. 744 00:48:44.099 --> 00:48:56.940 There's a little bit of a sort of mystery plot, you know, it's a, I think, if you're, if you're 7 year old, 7 years old, Monday night or whatever it was, you're in your pyjamas, you've got, got permission to stay for watch bike 7. 745 00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:00.000 Completely You know, this would deliver. 746 00:49:00.059 --> 00:49:02.820 You'd have enjoyed that week's Blake 7. 747 00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:06.179 And the week before you'd been the best thing you'd ever seen. 748 00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:09.480 And then you've got Star one, you know, you're going to be happy, aren't you? 749 00:49:09.539 --> 00:49:11.460 And it's got that lovely final shot. 750 00:49:11.820 --> 00:49:18.119 But lovely final shot of when they're on the bridge, the camera just sort of zooms up and dips down. 751 00:49:18.179 --> 00:49:22.980 I can't quite describe it. a quick camera movement, but it just gives the impression of the liberators zooming off. 752 00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:24.840 I don't think they're done. 753 00:49:24.900 --> 00:49:26.579 They all tilts, don't they? 754 00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:28.440 They'll revert to move in. 755 00:49:28.500 --> 00:49:30.059 Who is the director of this one? 756 00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:33.420 It's Derek Martinez from... 757 00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:34.079 Oh, he's sorry. 758 00:49:34.139 --> 00:49:36.420 Yeah, he's been around about 1000000 years, hasn't he? 759 00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:39.059 Yeah, and he'd done trial earlier in the season. 760 00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:41.880 So, yeah, he's done pretty good. 761 00:49:43.019 --> 00:49:46.500 Safe pair of hands kind of is what you need, isn't it? 762 00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:47.699 Yeah, exactly. 763 00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:50.519 We need 51 minutes of television, please. 764 00:49:50.579 --> 00:49:52.199 Everybody help. 765 00:49:53.340 --> 00:49:58.380 We're all out of tinsel, but we've got a bit of nihilism left over, so that will... 766 00:49:59.699 --> 00:50:02.699 It's always a bit of nihilism in the can. 767 00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:07.199 Got to have your ultimate Vake 7 quote on an episode with you on, you know. 768 00:50:07.500 --> 00:50:15.179 Yeah, I think I think a, it's a, it's a riff on, um, uh, it's a rice called Lois, that's Bujold. 769 00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:30.480 I really like, and she talks about the, uh, the glittering, um, tinsel of space fascism or something, and then a friend of mine, um, a very old friend of mine and I kind of, we're giggling about this and sort of riff that one up together and, uh, yeah, uh, tinsel and nihilism. 770 00:50:30.539 --> 00:50:31.980 It is what it is, isn't it? 771 00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:35.699 That's that's not Doctor Who. 772 00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:38.519 You wouldn't think of Doctor Who's to... 773 00:50:38.579 --> 00:50:41.219 I mean, literally in sarcophagus. 774 00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:41.519 Yeah. 775 00:50:41.579 --> 00:50:43.800 Yeah, and Gambit, yeah. 776 00:50:44.340 --> 00:50:50.940 They don't and they don't give 2 hoots about the repercussions on these people on Goth at the end, do they? 777 00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:53.099 Blake, they get the information and they just bugger off. 778 00:50:53.460 --> 00:50:55.260 I mean, yeah. 779 00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:56.400 I mean, they don't like them anyway. 780 00:50:56.639 --> 00:51:00.539 The jester guy sort of looks up and goes, oh, excuse me. 781 00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:02.760 I was the main character in this story. 782 00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:05.579 I'm glad you have to save the universe. 783 00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:08.460 There's no prime directive operating here. 784 00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:09.300 It's in and out. 785 00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:10.619 Destroy them. 786 00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:11.099 Get out. 787 00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:11.579 Yep. 788 00:51:12.300 --> 00:51:14.820 And on with luck to Star one. 789 00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:16.260 That's a great line. 790 00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:17.760 That's cracker, isn't it? 791 00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:20.639 And it's Jenna who gets it again. 792 00:51:20.699 --> 00:51:21.840 It really is Jenna week, isn't it? 793 00:51:21.900 --> 00:51:22.139 Yeah. 794 00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:24.239 It's just last. 795 00:51:24.300 --> 00:51:31.139 Yeah, long overdue. and she's in her fantastic Susie Quattro leathers, which just are just the most kickass and fantastic question. 796 00:51:31.139 --> 00:51:31.920 You had the whole thing. 797 00:51:31.980 --> 00:51:33.000 Yeah. 798 00:51:33.059 --> 00:51:35.460 Yeah, it is her best costume by far. 799 00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:42.119 I quite, I quite like the, the, the, quilted one, the pastels one that she has right at the start. 800 00:51:42.179 --> 00:51:44.639 She's got some suede trousers with that one as well, isn't she? 801 00:51:44.699 --> 00:51:45.179 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 802 00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:47.519 Some great, yeah, but that's her best outfit by far. 803 00:51:47.579 --> 00:51:51.300 I think I saw, I think I saw that go up for auction. 804 00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:59.820 They auctioned a load of stuff off in the mid 90s and I loaded like 7 costumes, um, came under the hammer at Bonham's and um, that was one of them. 805 00:51:59.880 --> 00:52:04.860 But I'm sure it's, it's been a, it must have turned up a convention or something, I'm sure. 806 00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:05.699 Yeah. 807 00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:07.739 Um, they're all in safe hands. 808 00:52:15.539 --> 00:52:22.440 So, thank you very much for listening, everyone, and we'll be back next week with Star One. 809 00:52:22.500 --> 00:52:24.539 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 810 00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:26.219 Okay, bye. 811 00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:27.179 Bye bye. 812 00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:28.139 Bye. 813 00:52:37.260 --> 00:52:38.280 Switching to manual. 814 00:52:38.340 --> 00:52:40.559 Maximum power on all drives. 815 00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:45.300 Maximal power.