WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 21:52:58 1 00:00:04.679 --> 00:00:07.379 Maximum power. 2 00:00:12.720 --> 00:00:26.879 Welcome back to Maximum Power, the Blake 7 podcast, which hopes that none of the beta class technicians at the Federation Weapons development base comes up with a gun that just kills your enemies as soon as you shoot them. 3 00:00:26.940 --> 00:00:29.039 Let's introduce ourselves. 4 00:00:29.100 --> 00:00:29.820 I'm Nathan. 5 00:00:29.879 --> 00:00:31.260 I'm Brendan. 6 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:31.920 I'm James. 7 00:00:31.980 --> 00:00:32.939 And I'm Adam. 8 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:38.759 So this week we're talking about series two... 9 00:00:38.820 --> 00:00:43.020 Okay. series. 10 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:44.340 Sorry, Simon's not here. 11 00:00:45.539 --> 00:00:50.159 Series B, episode three, which is called Weapon. 12 00:00:50.219 --> 00:00:52.679 It's written by Chris Boucher, is it? 13 00:00:52.740 --> 00:00:55.079 Chris Boucher's 1st writing credit on the show. 14 00:00:55.140 --> 00:00:55.859 It is, yes. 15 00:00:55.920 --> 00:00:56.579 Yeah. 16 00:00:56.579 --> 00:00:56.880 Yeah. 17 00:00:56.939 --> 00:01:01.920 And directed by the reliably terrible George Spencer Foster. 18 00:01:02.939 --> 00:01:05.640 No one got bit on the lip for this one. 19 00:01:06.780 --> 00:01:09.719 That's his story and he's sticking to it. 20 00:01:10.379 --> 00:01:18.359 So let's just go round the kind of panel and give our sort of initial assessment of how we felt. 21 00:01:18.420 --> 00:01:19.920 The episode went generally. 22 00:01:19.980 --> 00:01:23.280 Is it a solid 7.5 , Brendan? 23 00:01:23.340 --> 00:01:25.799 Um, yeah, I think that's, I think that's a fair score. 24 00:01:25.920 --> 00:01:27.239 It's a it's a good script. 25 00:01:27.299 --> 00:01:28.379 It got some good concepts. 26 00:01:28.500 --> 00:01:35.640 It has some good performances and one surprisingly terrible one. more on that story later. 27 00:01:35.879 --> 00:01:47.579 But look, I've said, well, we were recording series A, that series B is actually one that I had only seen, I think, like redemption and shadow previously. 28 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:50.879 So this is a whole new episode to me and I really enjoyed it. 29 00:01:50.939 --> 00:01:51.959 Oh, yay. 30 00:01:52.019 --> 00:01:52.319 Yeah. 31 00:01:52.379 --> 00:01:53.579 What about you, Adam? 32 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:58.079 Look, I love anytime June Hudson is allowed to run riots. 33 00:01:58.140 --> 00:01:59.099 Oh, my God. 34 00:01:59.099 --> 00:02:04.920 With a length of wire. 35 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:07.200 And all the fabric in the world. 36 00:02:07.260 --> 00:02:09.599 It is a costuming. 37 00:02:10.020 --> 00:02:10.979 It's amazing. 38 00:02:10.979 --> 00:02:11.639 It is amazing. 39 00:02:11.699 --> 00:02:18.479 Like, it looks incredible, and I love that it's contrasted with the most the dirtiest place you've ever been in the world. 40 00:02:19.500 --> 00:02:23.879 Like future workplace that oh, yeah, we don't work here anymore. 41 00:02:23.939 --> 00:02:25.560 We won't clean up after ourselves. 42 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:28.620 Yeah, it's glorious to look at. 43 00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:31.860 And so much like the archest dialogue. 44 00:02:31.919 --> 00:02:40.860 Like, it feels like from the 1st series, you know, it's there's a bit of kind of wry, you know, observations, but this one, it's just ramped up to like 20. 45 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:42.300 It's like, oh. 46 00:02:42.300 --> 00:02:46.740 This is what happens when Boucher script edits himself. 47 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:47.639 Yes. 48 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:54.300 I still would die just for Jenna's delivery of the line. 49 00:02:54.360 --> 00:02:55.860 That's very keen of you. 50 00:02:57.900 --> 00:03:00.300 It's all so funny. 51 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:02.460 It is, it's really terrific. 52 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:10.979 And Boucher obviously has kind of sexed up Terry Nation scripts for series A, and who did we have last week? 53 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:12.960 We had what, Alan Pryor. 54 00:03:13.020 --> 00:03:17.280 So we've had Terry Nation, Alan Pryor, and now Chris Boucher gets his sort of 1st credit. 55 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:23.280 And he will go and ride like quite a few tent pole episodes as things go on. 56 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:32.039 Peter, who sometimes appears on the podcast, thinks that Chris Boucher is single-handedly responsible for the death of Doctor Who in the 1980s. 57 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:41.280 Because he went and script edited Blake 7 instead of script editing Doctor Who and he would have been spectacular on it, I think. 58 00:03:41.340 --> 00:03:47.039 I think he would, but I think it's like, you know, given what happened to Doctor Who at that period. 59 00:03:47.099 --> 00:03:48.780 I think it, yeah. 60 00:03:48.840 --> 00:03:51.060 You think there was no saving it? 61 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:59.340 Well, I think it was like, you know, Chris Boucher can be hilarious when he wants to be, and I think it would have gone down that road regardless. 62 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:00.120 Yeah. 63 00:04:00.180 --> 00:04:02.280 More so that did anyway. 64 00:04:02.340 --> 00:04:05.039 I mean, you know, Douglas Adams is, you know, insane. 65 00:04:05.699 --> 00:04:10.680 But yeah, I think Doctor Who was going to go there because that was that was a production thing. 66 00:04:10.740 --> 00:04:12.300 That was that was gonna happen. 67 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:13.319 Yeah. 68 00:04:13.379 --> 00:04:20.339 Well, I think David Maloney then is the other person that he blamed. for going to plate 7 instead of running Doctor Who. 69 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:24.360 Most of the production team of Doctor Who ends up on Blake 7, doesn't it? 70 00:04:24.420 --> 00:04:45.300 I had a theory like when the Sarah Jane Adventures was on that that it was fulfilling the same remit that Doctor Who was fulfilling in the 70s in that you get the half hour show with your cliffhangers and that allows the hour-long show to be a bit more grown up and a bit more, you know, arch and fun and yeah. 71 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:48.360 So yeah, I feel like this is the same thing. 72 00:04:48.420 --> 00:04:52.560 Like this hour-long show gets to do all the things Doctor Who couldn't do because it was meant to be for kids. 73 00:04:52.620 --> 00:04:57.240 And it's like, so all of the talented people, of course, were funnelled into that one. 74 00:04:57.300 --> 00:04:59.819 It's like yeah, this is a playground. 75 00:04:59.879 --> 00:05:05.699 We can do grown-up stuff as opposed to the half hour one where it's just, you know, there's a robot dog now. 76 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:11.339 Oh, dear. 77 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:13.319 I mean, I really quite like this one. 78 00:05:13.379 --> 00:05:21.660 I do think it is sort of glacially paced. and there's a fair amount of talking, but I guess that's, you know, TV at the time. 79 00:05:21.779 --> 00:05:26.160 But I do think it is sort of, it is pretty great. 80 00:05:26.220 --> 00:05:27.959 And it is Chris Boucher, isn't it? 81 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:35.519 And did Chris Boucher write a weapon called Imipak because he just had the idea of John Bennett just going, Immit back. 82 00:05:36.060 --> 00:05:38.160 Which camera, darling? 83 00:05:38.220 --> 00:05:42.600 In my pack. love that so much. 84 00:05:44.459 --> 00:05:46.680 So that's in the back. 85 00:05:49.740 --> 00:05:52.259 Just something about the word that it's just hilarious. 86 00:05:53.100 --> 00:05:56.220 For years, I thought it was an acronym. 87 00:05:56.279 --> 00:06:00.000 And then watching it and going, when do they explain what impact is short? 88 00:06:00.060 --> 00:06:00.959 Oh, no, it's not. 89 00:06:01.019 --> 00:06:02.279 They do, they do. 90 00:06:02.339 --> 00:06:05.220 Yeah, it's like a... 91 00:06:05.220 --> 00:06:08.939 Instant molecular, something, something and key. 92 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:13.139 And he holds up the box to say, and key. pointing it over. 93 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:14.699 So this is IMIP. 94 00:06:14.759 --> 00:06:16.500 It goes in it. 95 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:17.939 This is... 96 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:24.899 I just think he wouldn't have sounded as good saying emipab. 97 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:34.500 I think that we will look at each sort of plot thread in turn. 98 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:37.439 And so let's start with Kosa and Rochelle. 99 00:06:37.500 --> 00:06:48.600 And Adam's already mentioned June Hudson, and I do want to say that Rochelle has a bustle and you can actually see it in the location shooting. 100 00:06:48.660 --> 00:06:51.240 She literally has a bustle on that dress. 101 00:06:51.300 --> 00:06:56.040 It's unbelievable Like, what was June Hudson doing the week before that she's gone? 102 00:06:56.160 --> 00:06:57.240 Oh, yeah. 103 00:06:57.300 --> 00:07:00.000 Some of these leftovers can work in space, sure. 104 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:01.920 Speed? 105 00:07:02.579 --> 00:07:07.259 It's like she's a bond slave and she has a bustle. 106 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:12.240 And he's a beta grade technician and he's got his chest hair out. 107 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:16.740 Yeah, a sort of time-lord-esque collar. giant collar. 108 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:17.879 Oh, great. 109 00:07:17.939 --> 00:07:20.339 He always dresses the occasion. 110 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:24.480 At the moment on Apple TV, I'm watching Foundation. 111 00:07:24.540 --> 00:07:26.459 Oh, I'm sorry. 112 00:07:28.259 --> 00:07:33.540 I'm enjoying it, but yeah, it is a very, it is a very, it is a slow burn. 113 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:36.180 It's like 1st season Game of Thrones, but with money. 114 00:07:37.019 --> 00:07:42.959 But there is an Android character in it who is a lot like Rochelle in this. 115 00:07:43.019 --> 00:07:43.560 Yeah. 116 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:46.680 Um, you know, but she also has a bustle. 117 00:07:46.740 --> 00:07:48.839 She also, yes, yeah, she yeah. 118 00:07:48.899 --> 00:07:49.439 Yes. 119 00:07:49.500 --> 00:07:59.459 She has a bustle and this fabulous collar and frock and things, yeah. and has a couple of wonderful scenes with 14th Dr. Tenia Miller as well. 120 00:07:59.819 --> 00:08:03.240 Yeah, she's better, bloody well be the doctor now. 121 00:08:03.300 --> 00:08:10.259 I am super keen to watch it simply for her because I think she's spectacular and she'll do such a great job as doctor. 122 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:10.740 Yeah. 123 00:08:10.740 --> 00:08:13.500 It's already, it's a feta complete. 124 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:14.939 It's been decided. 125 00:08:15.060 --> 00:08:15.839 Hello, Russell. 126 00:08:15.899 --> 00:08:18.180 It's either her or Daisy Haggard. decided. 127 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:24.420 Yeah, so you have an issue with one of these performers, Brendan, I think. 128 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:27.779 Why is John Bennett terrible in this? 129 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:30.600 He's... 130 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:37.620 He's, it feels like he's, he thinks he's doing a theatrical performance or his microphone was broken. 131 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:39.000 It's like, just project everything. 132 00:08:39.059 --> 00:08:41.279 I'm not ever back. 133 00:08:44.340 --> 00:08:47.460 Don't make me the beef stock soup now, Rochelle. 134 00:08:49.139 --> 00:08:55.559 I was watching the making of, you know, the like the documentaries they never finished. 135 00:08:55.620 --> 00:08:57.539 Yes. making a Blake 7. 136 00:08:57.600 --> 00:09:07.259 The other the other day and it's actually, I think, a response to June Hudson's costume. from the interviews. 137 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:10.320 Like, he was like, oh, there's a fabulous, do it bigger, darling. 138 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:16.860 Like, she made him this costume and he just kind of filled the costume. 139 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:20.399 I think for me as well. 140 00:09:20.460 --> 00:09:24.720 It's just that he can hit sinister very easily. 141 00:09:24.779 --> 00:09:31.200 Like even Invasion of the Dinosaurs, before you know that he's abandoned. he's very sinister. 142 00:09:31.259 --> 00:09:45.480 So when he's barking at Rochelle, it's really quite upsetting, where I feel they almost needed a weaker actor, you know, they needed an actor who was a bit more cowardly and snivelling, sort of beta class, you know, like, yeah. 143 00:09:45.539 --> 00:09:46.139 Yeah. 144 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:52.080 You know, someone like, is it Carl Howard last week who is the brother in shadow? 145 00:09:52.139 --> 00:09:52.919 Oh, yeah, yeah. 146 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:54.120 Carl Howard? 147 00:09:54.179 --> 00:09:55.080 From bred. 148 00:09:55.139 --> 00:09:56.279 From bread. yeah. 149 00:09:56.340 --> 00:09:58.679 Like, I think he could have played this role really. 150 00:09:58.740 --> 00:10:00.659 And he was brilliant last week, too. 151 00:10:01.860 --> 00:10:08.220 But yeah, I yeah, I just feel like he's miscast and he's actually too grumpy. 152 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:15.779 There are lines lampshading that in the script about him, you know, going mad. 153 00:10:15.840 --> 00:10:16.740 Yeah. 154 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:30.240 But I think I think the fact that he's like a, you know, in Planet of Planet of the Spiders, where Lupton has this sort of terrible sort of story about being in middle management and having people promoted over you and stuff. 155 00:10:30.299 --> 00:10:31.620 He's kind of like that. 156 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:39.120 He's sort of a pathetic sort of Jobsworth guy, you know, who has just hit upon this thing. 157 00:10:39.179 --> 00:10:42.600 And so making him so big and kind of over the top. 158 00:10:42.659 --> 00:10:44.220 I think he's entertaining to watch. 159 00:10:44.279 --> 00:10:45.179 Oh yeah. 160 00:10:45.179 --> 00:10:46.919 I don't care that he wrecks this story. 161 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:53.820 To be fair, if that's to complain about Blake 7. 162 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:55.740 You're watching the wrong show. 163 00:10:57.000 --> 00:11:01.860 The costumes are too silly and everyone thinks they're in sort of theatre. 164 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:08.879 It's almost like... like Crouch's performance as a Travis is more aimed at this character. 165 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:13.440 This is his 1st episode as Travis as well. 166 00:11:13.500 --> 00:11:17.700 Yeah, so we will get to that, but anything else? 167 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:22.019 I mean, we've talked about the horrible set and just how super grimy it is. 168 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:25.559 Really, like, obviously someone's had to come in and throw dirt on everything. 169 00:11:25.620 --> 00:11:26.820 It says it's in a studio. 170 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:29.519 Where do they find the macro claw lying around? 171 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:31.860 of the macrates. 172 00:11:31.860 --> 00:11:33.059 Really bad. 173 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:38.159 It's astonishingly bad I think. 174 00:11:38.220 --> 00:11:43.080 Yeah, and it, you know, it's just this set piece to show you what Emmett Pack can do, yeah. 175 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:47.639 I think I think you can get pills to that. 176 00:11:47.700 --> 00:11:50.159 Give it back, not a brand of pills. 177 00:11:53.220 --> 00:11:54.779 Copyright, Chris Boucher. 178 00:11:55.559 --> 00:11:57.779 That was his side hustle. 179 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:08.279 Yeah, it just continues that the tradition of like blakes have been going, we need to do non-humanoid monsters, but they need to be a bit crap. 180 00:12:08.340 --> 00:12:12.000 So, you know, we've had the phibians and we've had the decimas. 181 00:12:12.059 --> 00:12:12.840 Yeah, yeah. 182 00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:14.639 Now we've got this big ass claw. 183 00:12:14.700 --> 00:12:15.659 Crantia. 184 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:18.840 From 7 Keys to Doomsday, yeah. 185 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:22.799 Yeah, it's pretty rough. 186 00:12:23.039 --> 00:12:25.019 He's pretty rough. 187 00:12:25.080 --> 00:12:36.539 I think that you're right, though, that watching him with Rochelle is a bit unpleasant because, you know, she's a young woman and it's nice when she eventually stands up to him. 188 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:41.159 But until then, like he's a bit like an abusive husband and it's just a little bit... 189 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:47.340 I mean, it is weird that he goes, oh, I've rescued you from being a slave and now I'm going to treat you like one anyway. 190 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:48.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 191 00:12:48.659 --> 00:12:49.620 It's like, know your place. 192 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:52.320 Yeah, he's super horrible to her. 193 00:12:52.379 --> 00:12:53.940 Yeah, it's like, you're not a slave anymore. 194 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:55.740 You not a slave anymore, but don't touch that. 195 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:56.279 Don't move that. 196 00:12:56.340 --> 00:12:56.940 Make dinner. 197 00:12:57.000 --> 00:12:58.320 Don't talk back to me. 198 00:12:58.379 --> 00:12:59.340 Don't talk back to me. 199 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:00.419 Yes, it's just... 200 00:13:00.419 --> 00:13:01.620 Yeah. 201 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:08.100 And, you know, like he tells her off for talking like a sleigh, you know, calling him sir or all of that sort of thing. 202 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:09.960 It is very strange. 203 00:13:10.019 --> 00:13:13.080 And it is a sort of strange feature of Blake 7. 204 00:13:13.139 --> 00:13:16.980 We don't have that much slavery elsewhere in Blake 7, but it seems to be a thing. 205 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:31.320 And she even gives us the sort of unpleasant, you know, the unpleasant idea that a misbehaving slave can be modified, which means, you know, fitted with a big polystyrene helmet and turned into a vampire, I imagine. 206 00:13:31.379 --> 00:13:35.759 They also talk about modifying Travis in this episode as well. 207 00:13:35.820 --> 00:13:37.139 We'll get there. 208 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:38.279 We will get there. 209 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:40.679 To explain why he's contact. 210 00:13:41.220 --> 00:13:44.519 Well, I think that that's a segue. do you think? 211 00:13:47.580 --> 00:13:53.700 So we start with this very, very strange scene. 212 00:13:54.960 --> 00:13:57.360 What is going on with the clone masters? 213 00:13:57.419 --> 00:13:59.460 Well, they love drama. 214 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:03.179 And smoke machines. 215 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:06.360 I love a smoke machine, billowy fabric. 216 00:14:06.600 --> 00:14:08.639 Diaphanous gown. 217 00:14:09.179 --> 00:14:12.720 Their only natural predator is stairs. 218 00:14:13.740 --> 00:14:16.019 Which they're surrounded by. 219 00:14:17.100 --> 00:14:20.940 I was super worried by her coming downstairs. 220 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:25.080 Because that is a really kind of low ham on that frog. 221 00:14:25.139 --> 00:14:28.259 And she's looking down and we're not coming away. 222 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:33.360 He's like cut away. just someone carry her down. 223 00:14:33.419 --> 00:14:40.200 But that's why she's got her arms lifted up to get the frock off the ground so she won't trip herself over. 224 00:14:40.379 --> 00:14:43.860 Just going, bloody June, Hudson. 225 00:14:43.860 --> 00:14:45.000 That's going to kill me. 226 00:14:45.059 --> 00:14:47.460 Stole a man back in 64. 227 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:52.620 It's it's so weird. 228 00:14:52.679 --> 00:15:01.200 Like, they never come up again because it's the usual Blake 7 thing of introducing an entire new aspect to the Federation every week, which never comes up again. 229 00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:03.120 Finnish can use in 40 years. 230 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:06.059 And aren't they doing like a whole series of Clone Masters? 231 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:06.960 Oh, man. 232 00:15:07.019 --> 00:15:07.379 Yeah. 233 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:16.620 And the thing is, I saw that and I kind of went, okay, I understand, with Gareth gone and Paul gone, you need to find other ways to keep paying these wonderful actors. 234 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:19.259 But I'm like, Clone Masters, really? 235 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:24.120 And then I watched this episode and I'm just looking at her going, no, I want 12 episodes. 236 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:26.100 Is she still alive? 237 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:27.419 No, no, no, no. 238 00:15:27.480 --> 00:15:28.139 Spoiler alert. 239 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:29.100 She's Olivia Pullett. 240 00:15:29.159 --> 00:15:37.200 Toilet alert, we get a reference to the untimely demise of the clone masters, I think, in children of our on next year. 241 00:15:37.259 --> 00:15:42.000 So they get blowed up by the aliens, presumably at the end of series 2. 242 00:15:42.659 --> 00:15:48.000 So, like, but they're introduced as if there's something important. 243 00:15:48.059 --> 00:15:48.720 Yes. 244 00:15:48.779 --> 00:15:52.259 And it's just like, why? 245 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:54.000 Why are we spending this much time on them? 246 00:15:54.059 --> 00:15:54.840 What going on? 247 00:15:54.899 --> 00:15:59.700 I feel like this is the exact same question I had at the end of Star Wars Attack of the Clones. 248 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:03.000 Well, are these clone people? 249 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:05.340 They're gone now. 250 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:07.980 That didn't stick. 251 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:13.080 It's the same plot. 252 00:16:13.139 --> 00:16:17.879 It's the same things like, we can make people that look exactly the same, but we'll never do it again. 253 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:22.799 And we had like robot Avalon last year. 254 00:16:22.860 --> 00:16:28.500 I mean, it's not like they weren't and and I think Travis even says, you know, we can just make clones, don't you? 255 00:16:30.779 --> 00:16:36.480 We just do that, you know, so it is, it's very odd. 256 00:16:36.539 --> 00:16:47.039 Maybe Dudley Simpson wanted to choir and ask Chris to write some pointless scenes that he could have people singing over. 257 00:16:47.100 --> 00:16:47.639 I don't know. 258 00:16:47.700 --> 00:16:48.779 It just seems very strange. 259 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:55.799 Be very disappointed if that's not referenced in the soundtrack for the big finish audio series. 260 00:16:55.860 --> 00:16:57.779 That'd be awesome. 261 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:02.100 Howard Carter going mad on a harpsichord. big finish. 262 00:17:02.460 --> 00:17:04.079 Oh dear. 263 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:04.859 Yeah. 264 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:07.140 So I don't know why we have that. 265 00:17:07.740 --> 00:17:10.740 And we introduced the new Travis. 266 00:17:10.740 --> 00:17:18.480 And we presumably watching this, don't know it's him until he gets addressed as Travis by the clone. 267 00:17:18.539 --> 00:17:20.400 He's got the funny eye and the shooty hand. 268 00:17:20.460 --> 00:17:22.380 But yeah, he does have the shooting hand. 269 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:25.500 We do establish the shooting hand. fabulous hair. 270 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:27.480 Yeah, he loses that hair. 271 00:17:27.539 --> 00:17:35.460 I was watching Gambit the other day and he has slightly more restrained hair. in the 2nd half of the series. 272 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:38.700 He tones it down a bit, but it is pretty fabulous here. 273 00:17:38.759 --> 00:17:42.539 It's a very, very strange choice. 274 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:45.000 So they decide to recast. 275 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:49.440 Um, Like Stephen, how do we say his last name? 276 00:17:49.500 --> 00:17:50.880 Right, right. 277 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:55.619 Stephen Griff looked like he'd had like half his head blown away, didn't he? 278 00:17:55.680 --> 00:18:01.380 And like it was a whole sort of side of his head and and now it's a tasteful little eye patch. 279 00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:03.059 Yeah, like he sort of turned it down. 280 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:05.819 Yeah, it does look like it's sort of grafted onto the skin. 281 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:11.940 Yeah, serious A. It's quite upsetting looking, I think. you know, it's like and there's lines, isn't it? 282 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:21.000 Like it was a field medic patched him up in battle and, you know, he's confident that he's fairly pretty anyway, so he never gets it fixed. 283 00:18:21.059 --> 00:18:26.400 And so, and we get Brian Croucher, who is just not very good. 284 00:18:26.460 --> 00:18:27.900 Is that is that fair? 285 00:18:28.019 --> 00:18:30.839 Oh, he's terrible, but he's kind of hot. 286 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:34.859 In a way the previous Travis was not. 287 00:18:35.579 --> 00:18:43.079 You say that in a similar way to the way that Jacqueline Pierce. has said that in interviews. 288 00:18:43.140 --> 00:18:45.420 He wasn't bad to look at. 289 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:49.019 Sometimes she wanted to have sex with him. 290 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:49.440 That was fine. 291 00:18:50.819 --> 00:18:56.880 It makes more sense of Servoland kind of keeping him around even though he's wildly incompetent. 292 00:18:56.940 --> 00:18:58.680 And why she's always stroking him. 293 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:06.059 I think I think Greif could kind of fill out a pair of leather trousers. 294 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:10.680 And, you know, there were some, there were some pretty satisfying butt shots. 295 00:19:10.740 --> 00:19:14.460 Oh, actually, I think that was the body double because he'd broken his collar. 296 00:19:14.460 --> 00:19:16.859 Yeah, yeah, he couldn't be in the set. 297 00:19:16.980 --> 00:19:31.259 Now, as I've said, this is my 1st time watching series B. And, you know, so I've had years of hearing that Brian Crouch is awful and watching the series beat trailer on the series ADVD, and he's pretty awful in that. 298 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:35.519 I have to say in this episode, we'll see how it is when I go on. 299 00:19:35.579 --> 00:19:38.339 But in this episode, I quite liked his performance. 300 00:19:38.819 --> 00:19:54.720 And what I kind of thought was, here is Brian Croucher going, I am a TV Madman, Madman. whereas Stephen Griff was, and this predates it, but Stephen Griff was, I am Jason Voorhees. 301 00:19:54.779 --> 00:19:57.839 I am an unstoppable in human force. 302 00:19:57.900 --> 00:20:01.980 Whereas Brian Croucher is a panto villain. 303 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:02.519 Yeah. 304 00:20:02.579 --> 00:20:11.039 But I'm kind of watching it going, he plays that well and there are the moments of sudden anger where there's a bit of menace there. 305 00:20:11.099 --> 00:20:14.700 Now, I'm sure there is fan opinion on him for a reason. 306 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:16.440 So I'm sure as the series goes on. 307 00:20:16.500 --> 00:20:18.420 I'll go, oh, okay, no, that was it. 308 00:20:18.539 --> 00:20:21.240 That was the one time. 309 00:20:21.359 --> 00:20:23.700 There is the thing. 310 00:20:23.819 --> 00:20:24.599 There is this thing. 311 00:20:24.660 --> 00:20:31.079 I think there's one line reading that he just fucks up completely and it is the I'm not sure whether there's anything left to me now. 312 00:20:31.140 --> 00:20:37.200 And like Jackie seems like she doesn't quite get what's happening in that exchange either. 313 00:20:37.259 --> 00:20:39.240 It's very, it is very odd. 314 00:20:39.299 --> 00:20:41.400 Um, yeah. 315 00:20:41.579 --> 00:20:50.400 I mean, Greif was so sort of posh and and sort of psychopathic and calm. 316 00:20:50.460 --> 00:20:56.220 And he didn't seem incompetent. returning villains have to be incompetent, right? 317 00:20:56.279 --> 00:20:58.200 Otherwise, why have they turned up again? 318 00:20:58.259 --> 00:20:59.819 That's it. 319 00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:00.180 Yeah. 320 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:01.380 They didn't win last time. 321 00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:02.039 Here they are again. 322 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:03.119 They're not going to win. 323 00:21:03.180 --> 00:21:09.119 And so it's kind of an occupational hazard. that they will eventually look incompetent. 324 00:21:09.180 --> 00:21:22.920 But Travis didn't seem particularly incompetent and they're re- kind of rebooting his character as someone who has, I think, Servoland blames him for Aurac or whatever happened at the end of series. one. 325 00:21:22.980 --> 00:21:25.500 He's been with what's happened to him? 326 00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:31.140 He's been with his, uh, he's been with the psycho, some people. 327 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:31.859 Yeah, something. 328 00:21:31.859 --> 00:21:34.980 And he's had his head kind of adjusted and now... 329 00:21:34.980 --> 00:21:38.400 Space psychosessions or just... 330 00:21:38.460 --> 00:21:39.900 I think space psycho, certainly. 331 00:21:39.960 --> 00:21:42.180 Do we have a space count for this episode? 332 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:44.220 There was nothing space in me. 333 00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:44.940 No, there wasn't. 334 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:46.920 No. super disappointing. 335 00:21:46.980 --> 00:21:54.599 I feel like maybe that was the only contribution Terry Nation made or the 1st series was putting the word space in front of everyone's jaw. 336 00:21:55.079 --> 00:21:57.180 No, in front of everything. 337 00:21:57.240 --> 00:21:58.920 We had space crises. 338 00:21:59.279 --> 00:22:02.400 Imagine if it'd been called space in Epac. 339 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:05.940 Cimapax. 340 00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:09.779 Because it wasn't even a space weapons facility. 341 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:12.599 There was a distinct lack of space. 342 00:22:12.660 --> 00:22:14.039 Wow, that's super disappointing. 343 00:22:15.299 --> 00:22:18.539 A clone, a space clone. 344 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:20.160 Clonemaker. 345 00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:30.960 Normally I download the transcript and actually search for space before doing one of these and it's super like just super disappointing. 346 00:22:34.019 --> 00:22:41.880 So, is Servoland's outfit, in this Romana's outfit from Rybos operation? 347 00:22:41.940 --> 00:22:48.000 She does get the, I'm waving my hand around my head, which is wonderful for audio. 348 00:22:48.059 --> 00:22:51.180 She does get the cloak at the end of the feather cowl. 349 00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:52.319 The feathered cow is amazing. 350 00:22:52.380 --> 00:22:55.019 Also, the fact she's wearing a midriff. 351 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:57.720 Well, everyone else is completely covered up. 352 00:22:57.779 --> 00:22:59.640 It's like, no, I don't feel the cold. 353 00:23:01.259 --> 00:23:03.480 My evil keeps me warm. 354 00:23:03.539 --> 00:23:05.279 I'm supreme commander. 355 00:23:05.339 --> 00:23:08.519 She seems to be wearing like barbed wire or something around her neck. 356 00:23:08.579 --> 00:23:12.240 I don't know what's going on. just absolutely crazy. 357 00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:14.519 It's one of her most mental output.fits I think. 358 00:23:14.579 --> 00:23:15.059 It's amazing. 359 00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:16.559 Well, they needed to keep the cowl up. 360 00:23:16.859 --> 00:23:28.200 It's so good The other person who is in the sort of Servland Travis plot is Scott Fredericks, who we've had on Doctor Who, haven't we? 361 00:23:28.259 --> 00:23:30.180 Yes, in Image of the Fendal. 362 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:31.440 And Dave the Daleks. 363 00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:32.279 And Dave of the Daleks. 364 00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:33.240 Day of the Dalek. 365 00:23:33.299 --> 00:23:36.720 He's very pretty and he plays a character called Carnal. 366 00:23:36.779 --> 00:23:39.660 Who is not a space psychiatrist. 367 00:23:39.720 --> 00:23:40.319 No. 368 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:43.319 Space Psycho strategist. 369 00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:45.480 Yeah, yeah. 370 00:23:45.539 --> 00:23:54.420 And it's funny, he's in 3 scenes, and that character has gone on to just have a sort of life after this, hasn't he? 371 00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:58.380 Like he ends up in in other things that Boucher rides. 372 00:23:58.500 --> 00:24:08.400 Yeah, the Caldor City audio series, which also features Vox and Commander Uvanov. 373 00:24:08.460 --> 00:24:09.180 Oh wow. 374 00:24:09.180 --> 00:24:09.599 Yeah. 375 00:24:09.660 --> 00:24:10.380 Yeah. 376 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:14.400 So he escapes from Blake's 7 into sort of Doctor Who spinoff things. 377 00:24:14.460 --> 00:24:16.920 He's really amazingly good. 378 00:24:16.980 --> 00:24:22.799 And the fact that Jackie and him kind of play it, they're amused by one another. 379 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:23.400 Yeah. 380 00:24:24.059 --> 00:24:31.319 Also, I love the fact that they're kind of circling each other like, you know, that either of them could kill the other one at any minute. 381 00:24:31.380 --> 00:24:33.599 Yeah, but I wouldn't because that's beneath you. 382 00:24:35.099 --> 00:24:36.960 Yeah, yeah. 383 00:24:37.019 --> 00:24:44.700 Some kind of penetration's going to happen. possibly one up to the other. seen in Oz. 384 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:54.119 That is the best way to deal with that awkward morning conversation. 385 00:24:56.819 --> 00:25:13.740 I kind of, I read it as, you know, he was her gay best friend as well rather than, like, he does sort of come back on the on the viewscreen and say that she's the sexiest commanding officer that he's ever met or something and she's quite thrilled by that. 386 00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:18.720 I think she stares into a flower, smiling at the at the baby. plastic flower. 387 00:25:18.779 --> 00:25:19.319 Yeah, yeah. 388 00:25:19.380 --> 00:25:20.400 Space flower. 389 00:25:20.460 --> 00:25:22.619 That flower does have a long life. 390 00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:26.400 It will be back in Gambit. lasted longer than his character. 391 00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:31.559 I'm actually really disappointed that he leaves at the end. 392 00:25:31.619 --> 00:25:36.119 And it does come back to that thing of, you know, how incompetent Travis is. 393 00:25:36.180 --> 00:25:50.160 Like if they'd just gone after series one, you know, Travis died on the way back to his home plan and Carnel and Servolan in the office constantly and just had a different space commander each week because they keep screwing up and they get killed. 394 00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:52.920 They're all called Travis. 395 00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:55.559 It's a code. 396 00:25:55.619 --> 00:25:57.180 My name's Paul Mupp. 397 00:25:57.240 --> 00:25:58.079 You are Travis. 398 00:26:04.980 --> 00:26:06.000 So good. 399 00:26:06.059 --> 00:26:07.500 Oh my god. 400 00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:10.140 Has someone spoken to Chris Boucher? 401 00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:13.019 Let's travel back in time. 402 00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:14.460 What are you thinking? 403 00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:16.140 Not Terry Nation. 404 00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:21.900 Because then everyone, he would be a space psycho strategist. 405 00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:24.180 I think, like, you know what I love? 406 00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:25.799 Like, I know you brought up Foundation before. 407 00:26:25.859 --> 00:26:34.200 And I love that his kind of whole thing is like, you know, that psychohistory that, you know, oh, I would have got all this right. 408 00:26:34.259 --> 00:26:35.640 I didn't realise the slave was there. 409 00:26:35.700 --> 00:26:36.539 Yeah. 410 00:26:36.539 --> 00:26:40.619 Like, I kind of love that he's sort of like an arch Harry Zelda. 411 00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:41.700 Yes, yes. 412 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:46.079 I think it is very deliberately kind of lifted from that isn't it? 413 00:26:46.140 --> 00:26:55.079 And I love the scene where the soldier brings him the bad news that means that basically he has to go into self-imposed exile. 414 00:26:55.140 --> 00:27:04.619 And he's so charming and polite to the soldier, who is wearing a dress, let me just say, because Jean Hudson has done her evil work to you. 415 00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:14.460 So, you know, that that soldier was the hitchhiker, the hiker in Image of the Pendar. 416 00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:18.900 Got more lines in this one. 417 00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:22.740 So for one, Scott Fredericks is not responsible for his death. 418 00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:26.640 I don't know. 419 00:27:26.700 --> 00:27:29.220 We all know Servlin loves to shoot a messenger. 420 00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:29.940 That's true. 421 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:32.460 You told him and then he left? 422 00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:34.140 That was an offscreen, then. 423 00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:38.339 I wanted to stab him. 424 00:27:39.180 --> 00:27:43.619 So because I'm a very, very professional podcaster. 425 00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:45.240 I have done some research. 426 00:27:45.299 --> 00:27:46.319 What? 427 00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:51.359 And the chess challenger thing. 428 00:27:51.420 --> 00:27:54.539 The most advanced chess program. 429 00:27:54.599 --> 00:27:55.140 Very expensive. 430 00:27:55.200 --> 00:28:02.160 Yeah, very expensive was actually the 1st kind of commercially released chess computer game. 431 00:28:02.220 --> 00:28:06.359 And it came out in 1978 and there've been other sort of versions of it. 432 00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:09.000 The budget of the whole season on it. 433 00:28:09.059 --> 00:28:11.220 And so it's real. 434 00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:18.779 And the great thing about it is the chessboard is completely inert, it cannot tell where the pieces are. 435 00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:30.779 You have to enter, you know, like E6 to G6 on a little, one of those horrible membrane TVs. and then move your piece. 436 00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:39.299 Yeah, and then it would tell you by, you know, giving you the grid reference of its move on a sort of red LED number thing. 437 00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:40.680 And you had to move for it. 438 00:28:40.740 --> 00:28:41.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 439 00:28:41.940 --> 00:28:44.640 It's unbelievably crap. 440 00:28:46.500 --> 00:28:52.200 But, you know, that's a thing. it's pretty incredible So there you go. 441 00:28:58.980 --> 00:29:00.599 Do you know what? 442 00:29:00.660 --> 00:29:09.779 I think the reason I kind of liked Brian Croucher in this is because everyone is a toff, except he's very working class. 443 00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:15.960 And he, like, he, he isn't trying to do an RP accent and he's just like, yeah, yeah, I'm a space villain, mate. 444 00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:17.880 I'll kill people. 445 00:29:18.779 --> 00:29:23.880 And the thing is, for years, I assumed it was, they hired Brian Croucher. 446 00:29:23.940 --> 00:29:27.779 That was Brian Crouch's voice and he said to them, do you want me to do Stephen Griff? 447 00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:29.819 And they're like, no, no, no, we hired you, do you? 448 00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:32.519 But actually, Brian Croucher is a lot more posh. 449 00:29:32.579 --> 00:29:33.660 Oh, is he? 450 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:33.960 Yeah. 451 00:29:34.019 --> 00:29:40.619 Like, um, he does the big finish series, B, set audios where he plays Travis again. 452 00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:44.460 And it was hearing the interviews and I'm like, well, who's that? 453 00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:48.599 Why, why, why, why the South London accent? 454 00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:51.059 He had been reprogrammed. 455 00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:57.599 I think also that's how, you know, at the time, I think that's how bad people were played. 456 00:29:57.660 --> 00:30:01.740 It's like later on, they became Scottish, all bad people were had Scott's accents. 457 00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:03.779 Like it just became a thing. 458 00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:06.599 It's like, this is a shortcut to being a bad guy. 459 00:30:06.660 --> 00:30:13.259 It's like watching really early Avengers and you've got all these posh actors who've learned RP, but they have to play the gangster this week. 460 00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:14.579 Right, right. 461 00:30:14.700 --> 00:30:19.140 So like Murray Melvin as a gangster. 462 00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:22.019 Yeah. 463 00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:24.720 Crouch, I think was in EastEnders for a while. 464 00:30:24.779 --> 00:30:25.920 Yeah, if it was someone's dad. 465 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:30.599 Yeah, I mean, he's gone on to have a reasonable career, hasn't he? 466 00:30:30.660 --> 00:30:31.440 Oh yeah, totally. 467 00:30:31.500 --> 00:30:32.279 Yeah, yeah. 468 00:30:35.339 --> 00:30:42.240 All right, let's go to our much less interesting characters, the series regulars. 469 00:30:43.259 --> 00:30:45.119 I'm not there to talk about that. 470 00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:48.599 Their collection of sleeves. 471 00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:52.380 I even is wearing his lobster outfit. 472 00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:53.160 I love it. 473 00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:57.119 It's so unflattering. 474 00:30:57.180 --> 00:30:59.880 It's the worst. really, really bad. 475 00:31:01.259 --> 00:31:07.980 In my in my head, Avon is a leather queen. stalks the galaxy looking for Travis. 476 00:31:09.420 --> 00:31:12.059 So they can go to the pub together. 477 00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:14.759 So it's weird to see him in his red leather. 478 00:31:14.819 --> 00:31:16.500 Yeah, it's really bad. 479 00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:21.299 It's really quite, because it makes him look skinny or something or makes his head look big. 480 00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:24.180 It's like absolutely horrifically unflattering. 481 00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:26.099 He looks like a fucking cylinder on it. 482 00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:29.819 Super bad. 483 00:31:30.059 --> 00:31:33.660 It's a subconscious impression that he's going to end up in hot water. 484 00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:36.299 There you go. 485 00:31:36.299 --> 00:31:37.140 Oh, go. 486 00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:40.440 June Hudson's playing the long game. 487 00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:49.140 So this is a sort of plot that doesn't really go anywhere very much because it is just them finding out what's going to happen. 488 00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:57.720 And so they, they're kind of spinning their wheels until, um, until they arrive on unnamed planet from... 489 00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:02.279 Unnamed planet of strange administrative centre that no one uses anymore. 490 00:32:02.339 --> 00:32:03.299 Yeah, yeah. 491 00:32:03.299 --> 00:32:05.880 And child lobsters. 492 00:32:05.940 --> 00:32:12.000 And the and the lights from the desks on Space 1999 ambition control. 493 00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:20.519 I will say those scenes on the Liberator, George Benton Foster, the director, I think, is kind of aware that this is sort of nothing. 494 00:32:20.579 --> 00:32:23.700 So he does try to inject a bit of interest in it in that. 495 00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:28.319 I think it's 2 or 3 minutes before we get a wide shot. 496 00:32:28.380 --> 00:32:30.180 Just everyone is in close up. 497 00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:39.720 And it's so you are entirely focussed on whoever's speaking, like, and occasionally there'll be a close-up and then you're focus pull to a person in the background. 498 00:32:39.779 --> 00:32:40.380 Right. 499 00:32:40.380 --> 00:32:46.920 So, I think that is probably an attempt to spice up the material a bit. 500 00:32:46.980 --> 00:32:55.920 Something else I'm also enjoying that's carried on from last week is that, you know, after David Jackson has obviously said, I have nothing to do. 501 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:02.880 They've sort of made him the voice of practicality and conscience. 502 00:33:02.940 --> 00:33:09.180 Like, you know, Villa will say that any mission is a bad idea because it involves him leaving the ship and the bar. 503 00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:13.619 But Gan will actually point out, well, this is a bad idea because this is dangerous and this is dangerous. 504 00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:16.259 And actually, do we even want this kind of weapon? 505 00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:18.900 I don't think it's, you know, it's not very us. 506 00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:22.019 And David Jackson plays that moral sense really well. 507 00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:26.039 I mean, to be fair, he gets what, 2 lines or something. 508 00:33:26.099 --> 00:33:27.660 Like, is that all he gets to do? 509 00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:29.339 He doesn't do anything. 510 00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:30.720 Oh, no, he doesn't do anything. 511 00:33:30.779 --> 00:33:31.859 He beams down to the planet. 512 00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:33.539 He gets to go on a trip for one. 513 00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:34.200 Yes. 514 00:33:34.259 --> 00:33:34.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 515 00:33:34.980 --> 00:33:35.700 Yeah. 516 00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:42.299 Yeah, he had a lot more to do last week in Shadow, but at least they're carrying on that new characterisation for him here. 517 00:33:42.660 --> 00:33:47.220 I've always found Can to be like a pantomime dame. 518 00:33:48.420 --> 00:33:52.559 All of his lines are done a little bit too excited. 519 00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:56.400 He has a great sort of rich voice. 520 00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:58.980 I'm listening to it. 521 00:33:58.980 --> 00:34:00.119 Fruity. 522 00:34:00.180 --> 00:34:05.039 He also, he defined his character as being working class. 523 00:34:05.099 --> 00:34:05.940 They played with that way. 524 00:34:06.299 --> 00:34:07.920 So weird. 525 00:34:08.340 --> 00:34:11.159 I'm working class, don't you know? 526 00:34:13.739 --> 00:34:16.440 I wear a large puffy slew. 527 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:21.360 It's like he's been rejected from Frankenfurt. 528 00:34:24.420 --> 00:34:29.400 And it's also just this last couple of weeks that June Hudson's figured out, maybe don't put him in a dress. 529 00:34:29.460 --> 00:34:33.719 Maybe put him in something that actually accentuates his upper body. 530 00:34:33.780 --> 00:34:45.420 And his outfit this week is fabulous with those big shoulders, but it comes down and sort of narrows his waist instead of like, God, 2 weeks ago in aftermath. 531 00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:46.860 You look like Demis Rusos. 532 00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:52.079 He's going to do a costume reveal that Eurovision. 533 00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:57.659 This is why I thought he was a pantomime. frequently, he was in drag. 534 00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:13.380 I mean, this is nothing material, but it is funny, and there are really kind of funny lines, and the sort of conflict between the different characters, you know, do we want to go down to the weapons development base? 535 00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:17.400 again, sort of doesn't go anywhere because they end up doing something else instead. 536 00:35:17.460 --> 00:35:23.820 But there's banter and and that's what you kind of want Chris Boucher for. 537 00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:29.159 And they like the scenes on, I could have watched the whole episode of them just bitching about whether or not they're going anywhere. 538 00:35:29.219 --> 00:35:30.599 Like, that was fun. 539 00:35:30.659 --> 00:35:32.699 And then you're like, oh, that's right. 540 00:35:32.699 --> 00:35:34.199 Actually, we have to have a story at some point. 541 00:35:34.260 --> 00:35:47.039 It's that line, that incredible line from Avon, which is I don't know how they do things on our on Cali, but on earth, it's considered ill-mannered to kill your friends while committing suicide. 542 00:35:48.780 --> 00:35:50.579 So great. 543 00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:51.719 So funny. 544 00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.840 Absolutely one of the best lines of the entire series. 545 00:35:55.500 --> 00:35:59.760 Like, and the thing is, that's how you know that Avon likes Cali. 546 00:36:00.300 --> 00:36:03.119 Because, yeah, it is a putdown. 547 00:36:03.179 --> 00:36:08.159 But it's not, oh, you're a drunk idiot, which is what he says to Villa all the time. 548 00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:13.980 With Callie, it's just, I'm going to point out that what you just said was stupid in a very baroque way. 549 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:33.420 I think the next best line in the entire episode is the line from Carnell about our military intelligence, the officer call will forgive anything it can understand, which makes intelligence about the only sin. yeah It is really great, isn't it? 550 00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:34.260 Yeah. 551 00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:36.840 Yeah, all of the dialogue is great fun. 552 00:36:36.900 --> 00:36:42.960 And I think that's probably the tragedy of Brian Crouch is that he doesn't get that. 553 00:36:45.059 --> 00:36:47.340 It gets it at him. 554 00:36:47.460 --> 00:36:49.139 Yeah, but not to other people. 555 00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:54.360 And I think maybe that just over time was just like, yeah, don't give him anything too complicated. 556 00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:58.079 Give all the good stuff to Paul Darrow. 557 00:36:58.139 --> 00:36:59.340 He's making a meal. 558 00:36:59.579 --> 00:37:03.300 A bit between him and Surferland. 559 00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:05.400 Yeah, it's actually... 560 00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:08.039 Yeah, like he grabs her by the throat. 561 00:37:08.099 --> 00:37:11.880 Yeah, but then she gets to, you know, the prime line. 562 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:13.739 With the prime line, yes. 563 00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:18.360 I'll see you rotted a slave bit on a surprise. so good. 564 00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:30.360 It says contempt, and she says, all respect, a man might see it as respect, you would have once. 565 00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:34.559 Yeah, he's he's got quite pathetic. 566 00:37:34.619 --> 00:37:43.320 And I think, don't we cut from her calling him pathetic and then maybe it's Coza calling Rochelle pathetic. 567 00:37:43.380 --> 00:37:47.519 I mean, it like it gets emphasised, yeah, in dialogue. 568 00:37:47.820 --> 00:37:55.980 I was wondering with that thing about you, you know, you would have once, when you're a man, like, does that imply it wasn't on his eye that went rest? 569 00:37:57.420 --> 00:37:59.639 That field surgeon. 570 00:37:59.699 --> 00:38:04.199 And that's why she keeps him around because it's like, well, I can't jump on it. 571 00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:07.019 There's nothing there. 572 00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:09.360 You refuse to get it fixed. 573 00:38:12.300 --> 00:38:22.440 Well, I mean, the Federation is kind of space feudalism and noble nobility during feudalism would have eunuchs. 574 00:38:22.500 --> 00:38:23.039 Yeah. 575 00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:26.639 So, and it would explain why he's so angry all the time. 576 00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:27.960 And very little reason. 577 00:38:28.019 --> 00:38:31.739 And it's also, I mean, from the dialogue, he has been reprogrammed. 578 00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:36.119 He's kind of been psychologically turned into a eunuch in a way. 579 00:38:36.179 --> 00:38:36.719 Yeah, yeah. 580 00:38:43.860 --> 00:38:48.659 With um, Servoland and Travis, we also have um, Clone Blake. 581 00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:49.440 Yes. 582 00:38:49.739 --> 00:38:53.579 Clay, Clay, who comes down to the planet. 583 00:38:53.639 --> 00:39:03.300 So all of these 3 threads all kind of meet on this unnamed planet, but the 1st person to arrive is clone Blake, and we know it's clone Blake straight away, don't we? 584 00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:04.559 Yeah, because he can't act. 585 00:39:04.619 --> 00:39:05.460 Yeah. 586 00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.280 And he does his shirt up as well before going in. 587 00:39:08.340 --> 00:39:10.199 I'm not quite sure what's happening there. 588 00:39:10.260 --> 00:39:12.179 So, yeah, he's... 589 00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:15.480 Well, part of the cloning process is you don't have a belly button, but you do have a 3rd nipple. 590 00:39:15.539 --> 00:39:16.500 Okay. 591 00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:17.639 Yeah, fair enough. 592 00:39:17.699 --> 00:39:26.159 And so he arrives and we think he's on his own and then suddenly, you know, we've got Servoland and ImiPak. 593 00:39:26.219 --> 00:39:30.300 And Servlane is having a great time putting those dots on people. 594 00:39:30.300 --> 00:39:34.199 A whale of a time. 595 00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:42.900 I kind of wish this was the actual plot of the James Bond film, No Time to Die, which is a similar plot. 596 00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:47.460 We're going to put dots on people and then press a button later and kill them. 597 00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:53.820 But I wish Remy Mulloch was having that much fun going, whee. 598 00:39:54.420 --> 00:39:57.360 She's really, it's so great. 599 00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:00.420 Just the look on her face after she does it to Travis. 600 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:03.960 And she's about to trick him into blowing himself up. 601 00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:06.119 Yeah. 602 00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:09.360 It's the button. 603 00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:11.460 You know you want? 604 00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:17.639 But Michelle has already dotted her and we haven't, we didn't actually see that happen, I think. 605 00:40:17.699 --> 00:40:28.800 There's a great moment which Spenton Foster just completely louses up where I think Travis is behind some barrels and the 3 characters who beam down. 606 00:40:28.860 --> 00:40:31.559 Just, like is it, Blake Avon and Gan? 607 00:40:31.619 --> 00:40:38.519 And they stop in the same spot and look around so that Travis can dot them with her thing. 608 00:40:38.579 --> 00:40:39.119 It's so bad. 609 00:40:39.179 --> 00:40:41.219 Yeah, yeah, yeah. and it's so overdone. 610 00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:46.500 Like, it's like, I'm going to stand here for about 4 minutes looking around casually. 611 00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:47.639 Where's the camera? 612 00:40:47.699 --> 00:40:48.539 Where's the camera? 613 00:40:49.139 --> 00:40:56.579 Can you come and stand in this one spot so we can get the bling, bling, bling. really shocking. 614 00:40:57.659 --> 00:41:09.719 Something I love just before that is like sort of Blake and Avon, a bit like, okay, you know, we've got to sneak in, we've got to sneak in and Gan sees a garden, just like, right, I'm going to punch you in the face. 615 00:41:10.260 --> 00:41:12.000 There's only one. 616 00:41:12.059 --> 00:41:13.980 I'm gonna punch him in the face again. there's one behind. 617 00:41:14.099 --> 00:41:15.059 Okay, we'll shoot him. 618 00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:17.940 Come on, scrappy doo. 619 00:41:19.019 --> 00:41:22.019 Yeah, he did get to do something, did he? 620 00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:22.920 I'd forgotten that. 621 00:41:22.980 --> 00:41:25.559 He does get to punch that one guy in the face. 622 00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:31.920 And it's like every, it's just like every time they're like, let's give Gan an interesting characteristic. 623 00:41:31.980 --> 00:41:34.199 The following week, they're like, no, let's not do that. 624 00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:42.480 Because I would totally love if Gan's whole thing was, everyone's like, now we need to have a plan. and Gan's already over there. 625 00:41:42.539 --> 00:41:43.019 Okay. 626 00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:47.280 It's just a loose cannon. 627 00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:49.019 All right. 628 00:41:50.219 --> 00:42:02.039 You know what I find frustrating is like the show feels like it's a serial, like it desperately wants to be a serial, but it's kind of trapped in series architecture. 629 00:42:02.099 --> 00:42:06.719 It's like, oh, I want this all to be setting something up for paying off later. 630 00:42:06.780 --> 00:42:08.219 Then none of it gets paid off. 631 00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:08.880 No. 632 00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:16.980 I mean, we actually do get our 1st mention of central control here, I think. and that's going to become an arc, but it's so loose. 633 00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:18.900 I mean, it's really not. 634 00:42:19.019 --> 00:42:24.239 Yeah, I mean, it's entirely possible that that is just when they're then doing the central control arc. 635 00:42:24.300 --> 00:42:26.280 They went, oh, well, we mentioned something like this before. 636 00:42:26.340 --> 00:42:28.860 Let's give it the same name and make it look like we planned it. 637 00:42:28.980 --> 00:42:30.119 That's possible. 638 00:42:30.179 --> 00:42:38.400 But I, isn't, like, I understand that Blake and Rochelle just start boning and producing sort of half Blake children. isn't that what's happening? 639 00:42:38.460 --> 00:42:43.920 Yeah, they're doing some, you know, the hideous science fiction trope of, oh, it's an Adam and Eve thing. 640 00:42:44.219 --> 00:42:46.320 We're going to repopulate this. 641 00:42:46.380 --> 00:42:47.940 Yeah, this clone is a player. 642 00:42:48.780 --> 00:43:00.119 Yeah, I just find it so odd that Gareth Thomas seems to interpret, like, the character note of, you know, innocent as on Kualudes. 643 00:43:00.179 --> 00:43:01.440 Yeah, super weird. 644 00:43:02.099 --> 00:43:04.679 All life is sacred. 645 00:43:05.460 --> 00:43:09.179 Yeah, and that's what I've been told to say. 646 00:43:09.420 --> 00:43:11.639 By my clone masters. 647 00:43:11.699 --> 00:43:12.900 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 648 00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.719 Some life is more sacred than others. 649 00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:21.539 So, I mean, that is kind of super upsetting. 650 00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:31.260 I mean, especially seeing as the 1st clone blake who gets killed is fully capable of emoting and saying, no, please don't shoot me in a believable manner. 651 00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:33.360 And the 2nd Blake is just like, oh. 652 00:43:33.420 --> 00:43:35.159 Yes, I am alive. 653 00:43:35.219 --> 00:43:40.739 I will now be silent for 4 minutes. before my next speech. 654 00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:43.320 Yeah, he's he's terrible. 655 00:43:43.380 --> 00:43:49.019 Maybe Gareth was angry at having to play 2 parts or something, having to memorise more. 656 00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:49.860 On one fee, yes. 657 00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:50.699 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 658 00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:51.960 Yeah, that's right. 659 00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:53.639 I have to play 3 characters this week. 660 00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:57.179 Peter Tottenham was getting 2 fees. 661 00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:02.099 But enough about Jody and last episode of Floods. 662 00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:06.300 The episode was originally called The Armourer. 663 00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:07.320 The armour. 664 00:44:07.380 --> 00:44:08.219 Oh, that's super boring. 665 00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:11.460 That's terrible. 666 00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:14.280 We're just lucky John Nathan Turner wasn't the producer. 667 00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:15.719 It would have been called Imitpack. 668 00:44:15.780 --> 00:44:17.880 Excellation mark. 669 00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:20.099 So great. 670 00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:21.539 So good. 671 00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:25.320 If Bit Need have written it, it would have been unnamed weapons facility planet. 672 00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:31.739 I can't wait for someone to tag him, it sounds like him off again. 673 00:44:32.099 --> 00:44:35.400 Even though it wasn't me last time, Nathan. 674 00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:42.599 They should have hired Christopher Hamilton Bidmead's ex-girlfriend Helen Mirren, TM as Doctor Who. 675 00:44:42.659 --> 00:44:43.139 Yeah. 676 00:44:43.139 --> 00:44:48.300 Although, frankly, if you dated Helen Mirren, I think you should drop that into conversation. 677 00:44:48.360 --> 00:44:49.739 Every much is humanly possible. 678 00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:50.460 And he does. 679 00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:02.820 So, does anyone have any final statements? 680 00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:06.300 This is an absolute surefire way to completely kill the conversation. 681 00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:10.500 I'm sorry, Chris. 682 00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:11.099 We love you. 683 00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:13.800 Boucher, Bidmead? 684 00:45:13.860 --> 00:45:14.460 Who I talking about? 685 00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:16.199 I'm full of secrets. 686 00:45:16.260 --> 00:45:18.659 Like Gretchen Wiener's hair. 687 00:45:19.380 --> 00:45:30.360 So I think this is solidly entertaining, but perhaps not very good in places and Chris Boucher's dialogue is, you know, a good deed in a naughty world. 688 00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:38.039 I think somehow, John Bennett's character is less offensive than talents of Wing Chiang. 689 00:45:38.099 --> 00:45:38.760 Yeah that's true. 690 00:45:38.820 --> 00:45:41.039 Oh, yeah, I, I, look, I'd agree with that. 691 00:45:41.099 --> 00:45:41.400 Yes. 692 00:45:41.460 --> 00:45:42.719 Well, like, yes. 693 00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:44.340 He's not wearing sticky tape. 694 00:45:45.780 --> 00:45:47.820 And yellowed up. 695 00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:49.679 Super upsetting. 696 00:45:49.739 --> 00:45:51.539 Just stick it up on his nipples to deal with them. 697 00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:54.179 Yeah, the scene. on the other hand. 698 00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:59.699 It is acting with a capital A. Acting. 699 00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:01.019 So good. 700 00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:05.639 But I totally get now, like, yeah, that he would have seen the costume and gone, oh, I have to play it like this. 701 00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:09.300 This lowly B grave weapons finish. 702 00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:12.900 See, maybe that is the genius of Blake 7. 703 00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:19.380 You know, the idea originally was that Survland would be a man and then that she would wear like a boiler suit or something like that. 704 00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:30.900 And if Coza had sort of dressed like someone from Warriors of the Deep or something, you know, the show would have been more sensible and realistic and boring. 705 00:46:38.460 --> 00:46:41.639 Uh, That's all we have time for this week. 706 00:46:41.699 --> 00:46:50.519 We will be back next week for a visit to the very outskirts of the Federation in series B, episode 4 Horizon. 707 00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:53.340 So until then, good night. 708 00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:54.300 Good night. 709 00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:55.260 Ta ta. 710 00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:55.800 Bye. 711 00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:01.980 Switching to manual. 712 00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:03.960 Maximum power on all drives. 713 00:47:07.019 --> 00:47:09.000 Maximal power. 714 00:47:21.420 --> 00:47:24.539 I think Travis is behind some barrels. 715 00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:24.960 Yes. 716 00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:25.260 Yes. 717 00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:30.119 And the 3 characters who beam down, just, like is it, Blake, Travis, and Gan? 718 00:47:30.179 --> 00:47:31.980 They all stop in the one place. 719 00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:32.940 Avon. 720 00:47:32.940 --> 00:47:33.599 Avon. 721 00:47:33.659 --> 00:47:34.920 Like Avon... 722 00:47:34.980 --> 00:47:35.699 Ava God's sake. 723 00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:36.719 What side is he on? 724 00:47:36.780 --> 00:47:37.320 Trevon. 725 00:47:37.380 --> 00:47:40.320 And Blake Avon and Gan. 726 00:47:40.380 --> 00:47:43.679 Maybe they let it that in. made me seem like less of an idiot. 727 00:47:44.940 --> 00:47:51.420 And so, you know, you've got Servolan in heels and a cocktail frock, you know, striding through a quarry. 728 00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:52.619 Always on her way. 729 00:47:52.619 --> 00:47:56.039 With a giant silver, silver butterfly. 730 00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:58.619 I don't know, with a giant silver dragonfly. 731 00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:01.619 Lizard crawling up her tits. 732 00:48:01.739 --> 00:48:04.079 Yeah, yeah. 733 00:48:04.139 --> 00:48:06.179 So that's right. 734 00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:07.679 The giant silver tit lizard. 735 00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:10.860 What's my nickname in high school? 736 00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:18.539 I think that's an hour. 737 00:48:18.539 --> 00:48:24.420 That's an app. 738 00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:27.480 Simon's gonna hate it. 739 00:48:27.539 --> 00:48:30.780 Oh, and also, you get the title. 740 00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:32.460 This is his 1st episode. 741 00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:34.260 Oh, is that the rule you have that rule? 742 00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:34.920 I think, yeah. 743 00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:36.360 Okay, good. 744 00:48:36.420 --> 00:48:37.440 I have to tell the boys. 745 00:48:37.500 --> 00:48:39.539 So the title will be... 746 00:48:39.539 --> 00:48:44.159 Something you said. something I said. last week, giant silver titlers last week. 747 00:48:44.219 --> 00:48:46.440 It was from another episode. me. 748 00:48:49.380 --> 00:48:56.340 So that's how it got to be Alfie last week because Jack said it several times and Jack and Joe have been on it together. 749 00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:58.500 Joe got the 1st one, so Jack had to get this one. 750 00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:00.179 Jack is very pretty. 751 00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:02.460 Yeah, he is pretty. very sweet. 752 00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:03.239 They're both pretty. 753 00:49:03.300 --> 00:49:03.780 All right. 754 00:49:04.380 --> 00:49:06.900 Okay, let's do an out. 755 00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:07.860 You have to say that. 756 00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:09.000 Your internet married to what? 757 00:49:09.179 --> 00:49:09.780 Yeah, yeah. 758 00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:11.159 Yeah. 759 00:49:11.159 --> 00:49:14.219 Not big in the efforts on the internet. 760 00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:15.719 It's a rule. 761 00:49:16.619 --> 00:49:18.719 Grinder wouldn't survive. 762 00:49:22.019 --> 00:49:25.320 So that's all we have time for this week. 763 00:49:26.219 --> 00:49:27.780 I'm sorry. 764 00:49:27.780 --> 00:49:31.860 See you, Chuckle. 765 00:49:31.860 --> 00:49:34.500 You should leave that in. 766 00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:36.000 I'll do it again. 767 00:49:36.059 --> 00:49:38.400 We'll get a clean take and he can use either one. 768 00:49:41.460 --> 00:49:42.059 Good. 769 00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:43.019 Okay, that's all right. 770 00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:45.239 So I'll give him separate tracks. 771 00:49:45.300 --> 00:49:47.219 Like... 772 00:49:47.219 --> 00:49:47.460 Yeah. 773 00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:48.000 Bye. 774 00:49:48.119 --> 00:49:49.679 Hi, Si. love you. 775 00:49:49.739 --> 00:49:50.340 Sorry. 776 00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:52.320 Or the laughing. 777 00:49:52.380 --> 00:49:54.300 Or possibly my Pete.