WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 21:52:14 1 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:15.359 Hello, everyone, and welcome back to maximum power. 2 00:00:15.419 --> 00:00:16.140 I'm Colin. 3 00:00:16.260 --> 00:00:17.339 I'm James. 4 00:00:17.399 --> 00:00:19.079 I'm Mark. 5 00:00:19.140 --> 00:00:20.339 I'm Peter. 6 00:00:20.339 --> 00:00:21.539 And I'm Cy. 7 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:23.579 First of all, I want to thank you. 8 00:00:23.640 --> 00:00:30.239 We would all like to thank you, the listener, for all your support and feedback during our 1st season, season A. It's really good to be back with you all. 9 00:00:30.300 --> 00:00:40.619 So here we are all clad in blue neoprene bodysuits, and the space saxophone is playing as we take our seats around the exposition table that has conveniently appeared on the bridge. 10 00:00:40.679 --> 00:00:49.799 Welcome to Redemption, the 1st episode of Blake 7 series beat by Terrenation himself, which is halfway through the Gareth Thomas era. 11 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:53.219 So let's start with some general impressions. 12 00:00:53.280 --> 00:00:54.719 Why don't we start with you, Peter? 13 00:00:54.780 --> 00:00:58.259 Well, I think this is such an important episode for Blake 7. 14 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:09.000 The series had a pretty successful 1st season, but it's fully formed here, I think, for the 1st time with that bleak 7 aesthetic that was maybe missing from some of series 8. 15 00:01:09.120 --> 00:01:12.060 It's kind of what I have in my mind's eye when I picture the show. 16 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:19.260 So why series A had very individually successful episodes like The Way Back, Seek Locate, Destroy, Project Avalon. 17 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:22.500 They tended to be more straightforward space adventure, maybe quite serious. 18 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:25.200 This is space opera redemption. 19 00:01:25.260 --> 00:01:29.099 We had hints of it in episodes like the web and bounty, which I think are really great. 20 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:36.060 So this story has a bunch of ideas. and some clever plotting and some good character moments all in together. 21 00:01:36.120 --> 00:01:37.319 It's fast moving. 22 00:01:37.379 --> 00:01:39.599 It's serious, but with flashes of camp. 23 00:01:39.659 --> 00:01:41.939 Um and this is my oblique seven. 24 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:43.379 This is the series that I cherish. 25 00:01:43.439 --> 00:01:44.280 Good stuff. 26 00:01:44.340 --> 00:01:45.359 James, what about you? 27 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:49.200 Yeah, look, I totally agree with Peter on this. 28 00:01:49.260 --> 00:01:56.640 I think it's much more the show that you'd remember growing up with. 29 00:01:56.700 --> 00:02:09.240 I think redemption is really where I fell in love with Blake 7 because of the, I think the camp aesthetic really ticked my box as a five-year-old child. 30 00:02:09.479 --> 00:02:16.439 And the just the fantastic script editing from Chris Boucher. 31 00:02:16.500 --> 00:02:21.000 Okay, um, Mark, what about you as the 1st time viewer of Blake 7? 32 00:02:21.060 --> 00:02:22.740 Yeah, it's the 1st time viewer. 33 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:34.259 I was really excited as soon as I saw the pursuit ships, because one of the things that really hooked me from the 1st series was the origins of the Liberator, I thought that was a really good mystery. 34 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:36.300 I really hoped it would be revisited. 35 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:46.620 I thought maybe that would be how the series ended, that the original owners might, you know, might turn up and that, and that might be, um, be something that they would end the series on. 36 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:50.699 I wasn't expecting it, I suppose, this soon in the overall story. 37 00:02:50.759 --> 00:03:01.139 But as soon as I saw the pursuit chips, and you can tell that the design is, it's of a similar nature to the liberator with the sort of the, uh, the bulbust kind of engine bit at the back and the, the pointer front. 38 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:02.099 I thought, oh, brilliant. 39 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:04.439 This is the original owners who've come back to get it. 40 00:03:04.500 --> 00:03:07.439 So that immediately piqued my interest early on. 41 00:03:07.500 --> 00:03:11.099 So I was really hooked with that from an early point in the episode. 42 00:03:11.219 --> 00:03:20.280 It's a really interesting idea to open the series with that because you kind of expect them logically to jump back into the Federation plot with Serverland and Travis, but they do this plot instead. 43 00:03:20.340 --> 00:03:25.560 Yeah, no, it's a really, I think it's a really good choice to to hold that back for a little bit longer. 44 00:03:25.620 --> 00:03:27.060 Sorry, what about you? 45 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:28.620 Oh, God, I love it. 46 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:31.680 It's just so much fun. this episode. 47 00:03:31.740 --> 00:03:45.360 And after series A, which has been very serious and rather dour in places and it's just so much more colourful and bright from the set design to the costuming. 48 00:03:45.419 --> 00:03:49.199 Everything just seems to have had a really big uplift for the start of this year. 49 00:03:49.259 --> 00:03:54.360 Like Peter and James have said, this is the Blake 7 that I love. 50 00:03:54.419 --> 00:03:56.159 It's floaty costumes. 51 00:03:56.219 --> 00:03:57.599 It's lots of leather. 52 00:03:57.719 --> 00:03:58.800 It's lots of colour. 53 00:03:58.860 --> 00:04:05.699 And the energy that they've got here compared to Aurak is immense. 54 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:09.599 They've come back re-energized and they're, they know what they're doing. 55 00:04:09.659 --> 00:04:13.500 They've got a bit more money, a bit more time, and it all pays off. 56 00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:16.259 And giant flappy sleeves. absolutely. 57 00:04:16.319 --> 00:04:18.660 Oh, God, I love that costume. 58 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:21.420 There is no other costume in the world. like that. 59 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:23.040 They put... 60 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:24.120 Gotta love June Hudson. 61 00:04:24.180 --> 00:04:27.420 Oh, how could you not love Jude Hudson? 62 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:31.500 My notes say, June Hudson, be praised for this. 63 00:04:31.920 --> 00:04:35.579 I think that's going to be the next 6 episodes, really. 64 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:43.620 And it's funny because June Hudson does the 1st half of series B, but there never does another episode of Blake 7 after that. 65 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:49.560 And while her costuming is, you know, it's slightly operatic and over the top in places. 66 00:04:49.620 --> 00:04:54.060 It really sets this kind of style for the series that everybody else follows. 67 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:57.839 I mean, they tone it down slightly, which might be a good thing later on. 68 00:04:57.899 --> 00:05:05.279 Um, but it really, she puts her stamp on the series and it, as you say, the aesthetic is something that it will carry through right to the end. 69 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:08.220 I just assume she done all of it from here on out. 70 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:10.920 So I didn't realise, so you reckon, yeah, I agree. 71 00:05:10.980 --> 00:05:14.040 Quite often they just reused their costumes as well, didn't they? 72 00:05:14.100 --> 00:05:15.060 Yes, that's true. 73 00:05:15.180 --> 00:05:16.379 So what about you, Colin? 74 00:05:16.439 --> 00:05:18.060 How did you feel about this episode? 75 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:19.199 I like it. 76 00:05:19.259 --> 00:05:23.279 I liked it more than I because I think it's an interesting choice for a season opener. 77 00:05:23.339 --> 00:05:31.500 It has this way of resolving the cliffhanger in a way you just didn't think was going to happen, you know, and we can talk about that a bit later. 78 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:47.220 I think it is a good refresh, like, you know, Callie and Jenner have been to British home stores and uh, Laura Ashley and, you know, Avon, uh, Avon's got a new costume that Mark has a good analogy for, um, we can talk about. 79 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:50.879 But I think, yeah, I'd written down what the fuck is Blake wearing, frankly? 80 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:55.620 Space Google. 81 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:57.480 Space Google, that's it. 82 00:05:57.540 --> 00:05:59.519 Well, they are an actual space world. 83 00:05:59.579 --> 00:06:03.240 You know, we get Space World and next week we get Space City. 84 00:06:03.300 --> 00:06:04.379 What else is that? 85 00:06:04.379 --> 00:06:05.819 Space building. 86 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:13.620 Well, I mean, all credit to June Hudson there, Colin, because I think she's she's thinking about the costuming for the characters. 87 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:15.959 And so Blake is in Robin Hood colours. 88 00:06:16.019 --> 00:06:21.540 He's greens and sort of earthy colours were sort of the big, the big flappy sleeves. 89 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:24.660 And so I think she's actually bringing some text to her costume designs. 90 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:25.860 I haven't thought of that. 91 00:06:25.980 --> 00:06:28.439 Mark, what did you call Blake's uniform? 92 00:06:28.500 --> 00:06:29.699 Oh, Avon. 93 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:32.699 Yeah, I thought, yeah, I was in there, Davros called. 94 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:33.959 He wants his leather tunic back. 95 00:06:36.060 --> 00:06:42.420 And it is very similar, I think, to it's got some similarities with Destiny, the Daleks, I think. 96 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:49.139 I think that the system people are very Movellan, like, they're kind of protein developed. 97 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:55.680 Or they're slightly darky as well in the way they talk, but I guess the mevellans are quite sort of similar speaking as well. 98 00:06:55.740 --> 00:07:00.360 So it's, again, it's a, it's a, it's another remix of the, of similar things they had before. 99 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:04.199 Robotic type beings that still like a comfy sofa, aren't they? 100 00:07:04.379 --> 00:07:06.000 That's true. 101 00:07:06.060 --> 00:07:09.420 And of course, June Hudson did Destiny of the Daleks. 102 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:10.740 So there's going to be some overlap. 103 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:22.259 So let's talk a little bit more about this episode in detail, and I want to talk about, you know, how effective we think this is as a season opener. 104 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:25.500 Does it resolve the cliffhanger in the right way? 105 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:26.160 James, what are you? 106 00:07:26.339 --> 00:07:27.180 To find the right way. 107 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:30.240 No, no, there's no right. 108 00:07:30.300 --> 00:07:46.319 Well, I mean, I, I, I like how it resolves the cliffhanger, even if it is literally a DSX smashner, it's a godlike machine, deciding to make something happen to make his prediction come true. 109 00:07:46.620 --> 00:08:03.660 And and the fact that that doesn't, you don't get that until the very last moment, like, where, where, yeah, they, they think they're going to be destroyed, the other ship appears, and then or actors get, oh, yeah, no, I scrambled its system, so my prediction would come true. 110 00:08:03.779 --> 00:08:04.860 It's fantastic. 111 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:06.600 That is fantastic. 112 00:08:06.660 --> 00:08:07.199 I agree. 113 00:08:07.259 --> 00:08:12.959 Aurak is so kind of arrogant, that he's just like, oh, fuck it. this ship up because I've made this prediction. 114 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:16.920 And if I'm wrong, that's really going to be embarrassing, so I'll just blow it up. 115 00:08:18.420 --> 00:08:22.980 And would lead to his own destruction as well, if he hadn't done that. 116 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:26.160 I think it's nice that Aurak doesn't actually play a big role in the episode. 117 00:08:26.220 --> 00:08:29.519 We only come to Orac in one or 2 scenes throughout the episode. 118 00:08:29.579 --> 00:08:35.820 So you've got one early on where Blake, Avon, and Jenna are trying to get some answers out of Warak, he's not being very helpful. 119 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:44.879 Then you've got the bit where they leave the bridge and he just makes that strange little turning off noise and space cassier goes over and just eyes him up and thinks, what are you? 120 00:08:44.940 --> 00:08:50.340 Then there's a mention of him when the system's going wrong, and then he sort of pops up at the end to save things. 121 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:51.000 I really like that. 122 00:08:51.059 --> 00:08:53.159 I like that he's not overused in the plot. 123 00:08:53.220 --> 00:08:54.480 Yeah, that's really good. 124 00:08:54.539 --> 00:08:58.139 What I really like about sort of the resolution of the cliffhanger. 125 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:02.820 Obviously, at the start of the episode, you've got the recap of what's happened in Aorak. 126 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:09.179 So you get to see that same footage played at full speed, half speed, quarter speed, whatever. 127 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:13.799 But which is fine, because you've got to remind people what's going on. 128 00:09:13.860 --> 00:09:18.720 But there's a really good exchange between, we spent £5 on the explosive. 129 00:09:19.259 --> 00:09:21.659 Well, yeah, make the most of it. 130 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:31.440 But you get that great seat between Blake and Avon, where Avon has worked it out, but it's going to make Blake work to get the answer out of him. 131 00:09:31.500 --> 00:09:44.399 And it's really great character dynamic stuff, again, from Terry Nation and Chris Boucher, where Avon just is so superior is showing up Blake for not spotting the obvious things. 132 00:09:44.460 --> 00:09:49.740 Yeah, that scene, I think, is a series defining scene at the start of the season. 133 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:51.360 That scene between Blake and Avon. 134 00:09:51.419 --> 00:09:52.200 It's just tremendous. 135 00:09:52.259 --> 00:09:53.519 It's adversarial. 136 00:09:53.580 --> 00:10:01.980 It's a sort of a restatement of their relationship and a more overt positioning of Avon as Blake's antagonist than I think that we've had in the past. 137 00:10:02.039 --> 00:10:06.779 And Avon's just logical and clever, and they both play it immaculately. 138 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:09.059 You couldn't ask for a better character scene to start the season. 139 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:10.620 Where was it, Yvonne? 140 00:10:10.740 --> 00:10:11.700 that Blake couldn't see him. 141 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:12.480 That's what I didn't get. 142 00:10:12.539 --> 00:10:14.820 He was hiding underneath the gun cupboard. 143 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:21.539 But there's so many great lines in that scene. 144 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:28.379 That whole thing where Avon says you looked as though you were planning something you didn't want the rest of us to know. is just peak Avon. 145 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:43.259 And then that little interchange where they're discussing the nature of prediction, which is really clever and focussed dialogue, and I could be wrong, and it might be Chris Belcher, but that dialogue feels like Terry Nation bringing his A game to it. 146 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:50.159 And so that whole interchange, whereas let's imagine you're standing on the edge of a cliff, and Blake just fires back at him as long as you're not standing behind me. 147 00:10:50.220 --> 00:10:51.299 That's just gold. 148 00:10:51.600 --> 00:10:53.519 Fantastic, isn't it? 149 00:10:53.580 --> 00:10:59.039 And it really is setting up what will be one of the big sort of themes of series B, isn't it? 150 00:10:59.100 --> 00:11:05.820 The Blake and Avon antagonism and who's going to get the liberator and who's going to come out on top by the end of the year? 151 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:20.340 And they revisit it throughout episodes, and including at the end of this episode where, if you know, the last scene, the last moment of the episode, is Blake and Avon standing off again, and Blake reasserting his dominance as kind of the leader. 152 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:23.820 Yeah, but like, get back to your position. 153 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:26.159 Yeah, which Avon then does. 154 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:26.580 Yeah. 155 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:35.580 There was another scene before this, where Blake is barking a bunch of orders, and Avon sort of goes, what should I do with my other hand or something like that? 156 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:42.779 But then as he's leaving, Blake kind of sort of gently taps him on the elbow or something like this. 157 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:46.620 Now, is that affectionate or is like, I'm just delivering orders. 158 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:47.820 I don't mean to be a bastard. 159 00:11:47.879 --> 00:11:52.799 I'm, look, just take it, get on with it, just like as a bit of a sort of confirmation. 160 00:11:52.860 --> 00:11:54.960 Or is it a PowerPlay thing? 161 00:11:55.019 --> 00:12:05.460 I almost took it as an improvised thing between the actors just because maybe they, you know, they liked each other and it was just like, it was so, it's like this very gentle kind of tap on the elbow. 162 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:06.899 Con visual fraternity. 163 00:12:10.139 --> 00:12:12.120 With a knife in the other hand. 164 00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:31.139 But again, you get it, don't you, after the root attack with the wire coming at Avon and the explosive going off and Avon shooting out of the room and there's a moment between Blake and Avon there as well, where they sort of exchange looks and there's sort of an understanding between them that's really good. 165 00:12:31.259 --> 00:12:42.360 And as well, when there's the 1st attack from the little liberators and they fall to the ground, Avon has his hand over Blake to kind of almost like shield him from the explosion. 166 00:12:42.419 --> 00:12:43.500 It's really interesting playing. 167 00:12:43.559 --> 00:12:46.620 I think everyone's such a more interesting character as well. 168 00:12:46.679 --> 00:13:13.379 There's something very attractive about the way he's, he's so sharp and perceptive, and it made me kind of think, you know, when did the sort of stereotype of a computer nerd come about because this is way before computers were everywhere, and maybe if you wrote that character now who's such a computer expert, you would write him very differently and not so, so confident and aggressive and confrontational, but, you know, computers be in their infancy, they, they can make somebody who's an expert in them. you know, a much more interesting character like that. 169 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:16.620 Yeah, you look at all of the kind of science characters on Star Trek. 170 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:21.720 Um, uh, it was sort of in the 90s, the next generation Deep Space 9 Voyager kind of era. 171 00:13:21.779 --> 00:13:24.960 They do tend to be nerdier, the science here, they are. 172 00:13:25.019 --> 00:13:26.460 So yeah, it's interesting, isn't it? 173 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:30.299 Yeah, it hadn't quite set yet, had it, that stereotype? 174 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:33.659 Well, because that's because he was using a private computer. 175 00:13:36.720 --> 00:13:37.679 Clever Prime. 176 00:13:38.820 --> 00:13:43.080 It's that thing where you've, you know, you've had an argument with someone at work. 177 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:50.399 And then like 2 hours later, you remember, you come up with the ideal thing to say, everyone does that all the time. 178 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:52.320 Instantly. 179 00:13:52.500 --> 00:13:54.779 Except it's not 2 hours later. 180 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:57.539 No, he's there straight away, isn't he? 181 00:13:57.600 --> 00:14:14.820 And again, you could see Paul Darrow absolutely seizing all of this, this episode, almost making the show in his own image as we know he ultimately will, but he is becoming the almost the lead character, the one that you want to watch. 182 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:21.840 And so, yeah, whenever he's there, he does really interesting things sort of all the way through. 183 00:14:21.899 --> 00:14:33.419 I always think of the scene between him and Jenna where they're in the cell and he's pacing up and down and then he suddenly stops and spins round and looks at the stars and works out that they're in the right place. 184 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:44.100 It's just a masterclass in making what could be, they could just be sat in that cell doing nothing, just talking, but he is pacing up and down. 185 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:45.299 He's tense. 186 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:51.960 He's not happy. but he's also aware of everything around him and he's taking it all in all the time. 187 00:14:52.019 --> 00:14:56.700 Paul Darrow really doesn't get enough love, I think, for his acting. 188 00:14:56.759 --> 00:15:01.559 He's always the Darrowisms, but he's, yeah, he's a really great actor. 189 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:03.779 He's a star isn't he? 190 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:06.600 He dominates every scene that he's in. 191 00:15:06.659 --> 00:15:11.759 And like you said, side, not by overplaying it, a lot of his best work is understated. 192 00:15:11.820 --> 00:15:18.299 And I sort of, I noticed throughout this episode that he's always doing something, even when he doesn't have dialogue. 193 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:23.220 So there's a really nice moment when the little liberators appear on the screen that are pursuing them. 194 00:15:23.340 --> 00:15:33.480 Um, and there's a very, very long shot of Avon starting to put it all together immediately, just by looking at the screen and seeing them, but not saying anything. 195 00:15:33.539 --> 00:15:36.120 And he just, he shines in moments like that. 196 00:15:36.179 --> 00:15:37.139 This is his episode. 197 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:43.139 Avon is written as clever and incisive throughout, and I think Paul Darrow just runs with it. 198 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:44.580 And he's got black. 199 00:15:44.580 --> 00:15:46.620 I think where Akon's recognising the stars. 200 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:52.620 At the start of the episode, we go, oh, look at the star configuration, it's on the other side of the galaxy. 201 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:57.659 And then they sort of, you know, go stand by 12 for like 2 minutes. 202 00:15:57.659 --> 00:16:00.480 And then they're on the other side of the galaxy. 203 00:16:01.139 --> 00:16:03.659 Well, that's interesting. 204 00:16:03.779 --> 00:16:09.720 I did wonder to myself if there were no stars and it was just a reflection of Avon studs in the studio monitor. 205 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:15.480 That's more text by June Hudson. 206 00:16:15.539 --> 00:16:17.639 She took one look at Paul down and said, stud. 207 00:16:17.700 --> 00:16:18.659 Let's put him in studs. 208 00:16:21.779 --> 00:16:24.779 What do you guys think about the model work here? 209 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:27.360 Like the little liberators and space world? 210 00:16:27.419 --> 00:16:28.379 Mark, what about you? 211 00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:31.200 Yeah, I thought they looked absolutely terrific. 212 00:16:31.259 --> 00:16:45.179 The space station looked absolutely brilliant, and probably quite bald as well to make it black against a Black Starfield, but that just made it look more sinister and interesting. 213 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:47.700 And I was pleased that it wasn't completely destroyed at the end as well. 214 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:57.360 I mean, so I don't know if they do come back as a recurring threat, but I, but I like the idea that they may come back and make another attempt to reclaim the liberator further on in the series. 215 00:16:57.480 --> 00:16:58.500 Or maybe they will. 216 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:02.100 They're not going to tell you. 217 00:17:03.419 --> 00:17:06.839 But yeah, the model work is really, really fantastic. 218 00:17:06.900 --> 00:17:19.380 So we've lost Ian Scones this year who did series A's models, and we've gained Matt Irvin, who comes in with lots of ideas, but again, the battle scenes are really good. 219 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:26.460 Matt brings in a sense of the speed that the ships are travelling at for the really the 1st time. 220 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:34.799 We've had lots of shots of the liberator, but because in series A, they'd filmed everything almost as stock shots that you could paste in. 221 00:17:34.859 --> 00:17:44.579 You don't always get things moving at speed, but he's got the fast background that's revolving so that it looks like the ships are travelling at fast speed. 222 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:52.500 He's worked out how you film sort of planets in the background so that it looks a bit more realistic, so to speak. 223 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:58.200 As we said before, the design of those little gunships is absolutely fantastic. 224 00:17:58.259 --> 00:17:59.640 It's really really good. 225 00:17:59.700 --> 00:18:04.079 And when you've got the 2 of them chasing the liberator and you know that they're evenly matched. 226 00:18:04.140 --> 00:18:05.759 It's yeah, it's brilliant stuff. 227 00:18:05.819 --> 00:18:07.920 They're quite tense, those attack scenes. 228 00:18:07.980 --> 00:18:18.420 There's kind of amped up performances on the set, quite urgent, and the model work, and also one of Dudley Simpson's most distinctive scores for the series, I think, really helped along. 229 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:25.980 They do, they do definitely do the Flintstones approach to generating speed with everything zooming behind them. 230 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:27.960 Yeah, it just feels like that's what they've done. 231 00:18:28.019 --> 00:18:29.339 But I was confused. 232 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:47.700 I was really confused for a while because I thought there was a dark gray liberator, follow it, following them, because normally the ship is white with a green, with green, um, engine at the back, but this was kind of a gold engine at the back and all black, and I thought, oh, okay, there's 2 little ones and one big one, so I just, I didn't realise for a while. 233 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:49.799 Colin, there are many liberators. 234 00:18:49.859 --> 00:18:51.000 There's a silver liberator. 235 00:18:51.059 --> 00:18:52.200 There's a white liberator. 236 00:18:52.259 --> 00:18:56.819 They're sort of a greyish liberator, and let's not forget the yellow liberator from the opening credits. 237 00:18:56.940 --> 00:19:01.319 It's the comedian. to the cardboard cutout, isn't it? 238 00:19:01.380 --> 00:19:04.799 They're run by Alta 3456. 239 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:15.900 But no, even little, little things that could have gone wrong, like the little, liberator going into space world works really well. 240 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:20.279 That could have been an absolute... 241 00:19:20.339 --> 00:19:26.339 Yeah, they do that really clever thing of attaching the camera to the little object that's going into the big object. 242 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:28.019 So you've almost like point of view with it. 243 00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:29.220 It's great Yeah. 244 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:39.420 So do you think that when they found the Liberator, it had just been abandoned by these beings or had somebody else had it in between? 245 00:19:39.420 --> 00:19:46.079 Because just remember in the early series, they found lots of like jewels and then obviously there's all the fancy costumes and things like that. 246 00:19:46.140 --> 00:20:10.019 And I didn't know if this purely logical race would necessarily bother with that, unless it was to, a bit like, whether the TARDIS has got all the wardrobes and things to blend in with if they were going to observe other races or whether somebody else had got hold of it 1st and they'd been looting and plundering before the space battle, which led to it falling into Blake's hands. 247 00:20:10.140 --> 00:20:12.119 There's a prequel series for you. 248 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:13.319 Yeah. 249 00:20:13.319 --> 00:20:30.359 Yeah, all we know, really, is that the Liberator had been involved in a space battle somewhere that, um, they'd picked up on the London and they'd picked up the shopquaves of possibly a ship being destroyed and Liberator was just sat there. 250 00:20:30.420 --> 00:20:34.980 So we don't know how it got to be there and what those circumstances were. 251 00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:40.920 There's talking this episode about war between the planets that created Spaceworld. 252 00:20:40.980 --> 00:20:42.119 So maybe it was a civil war. 253 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:43.680 Ah, could be. 254 00:20:43.799 --> 00:20:45.359 Good point. 255 00:20:46.019 --> 00:20:57.599 Do we think this was the inspiration for Doctor Who series 6, seeing the doctor killed at the start and the liberator destroyed at the start and then it actually being a double at the end that we see destroyed? 256 00:20:57.660 --> 00:20:58.500 It's kind of... 257 00:20:58.619 --> 00:20:59.579 That's clever. 258 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:10.019 Maybe because I've been listening to Flight Through Entirety, talking about series 6, movies, movies on my mind, but it was one of the things that popped in my head when I was watching it, that it's a similar template, isn't it? 259 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:12.420 I think it is a similar template. 260 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:17.460 The idea I had in my mind is, it feels like the, it's resolved too quickly. 261 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:26.640 You could have you could have saved that for 2 years and done it with another episode, which you haven't seen yet, Mark, so I'm not going to say. where something happens. 262 00:21:26.700 --> 00:21:34.980 You know, you could have saved it for a while and sort of had, oh, that, you know, the prediction happened in this way, but it's, it still works, if they kind of like get it out of the way quickly. 263 00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:38.339 It's a good way out and it also adds to Aurac's character. 264 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:43.740 I think the costume changes and things do make it feel like some time has passed. 265 00:21:43.859 --> 00:21:45.000 Absolutely. 266 00:21:45.059 --> 00:21:48.839 And Callie's had her hair done in between the series as well. 267 00:21:48.900 --> 00:21:49.500 So. 268 00:21:50.640 --> 00:21:52.140 So they can't have been that worried about the prediction. 269 00:21:52.500 --> 00:21:55.559 Is there a cell on in the liberator? 270 00:21:57.119 --> 00:21:59.099 There must be somewhere. 271 00:21:59.220 --> 00:22:02.160 It's next to the wardrobe room. 272 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:07.500 Kelly just goes and sticks her head in the green orb at the end and then suddenly it comes out perb. 273 00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:14.339 Yeah, so I was going to have one little gripe with this episode. 274 00:22:14.400 --> 00:22:15.420 It is only a little one. 275 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:18.240 I think there could have been a little bit more balance in the storytelling. 276 00:22:18.299 --> 00:22:20.039 I would have liked to have explored the system. 277 00:22:20.099 --> 00:22:21.960 More and Spaceworld. 278 00:22:22.019 --> 00:22:27.960 Maybe with a little bit less of the lead up with Blake and the live cable, but, you know, they're good scenes, so I don't mind. 279 00:22:28.019 --> 00:22:33.960 It just uh, it feels like it's a very strong setup, which isn't 100% interrogated. 280 00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:36.119 I've got about a two-parter. 281 00:22:36.180 --> 00:22:36.900 Yeah. 282 00:22:36.900 --> 00:22:42.059 Yeah, there's there's a lot there you could unpack around system control. 283 00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:58.619 You know, you could, you could put them in a, well, they are in cells, but you could have them in cells for longer and have them being interrogated and sort of get to what the point of those 2 characters are because they're, they're mainly just there to have stun level, stun level 2 and stun level 4. 284 00:22:58.740 --> 00:23:02.460 Oh, and by the way, everyone gets sent to elimination chamber four. 285 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:09.779 Apart from you, Blake, you can go to elimination chamber 2. with big sleeves go to elimination and chamber 2. 286 00:23:10.019 --> 00:23:12.900 Needs more room for the big leaves. 287 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:16.380 I mean, space Betan and Space Cassia there are really good. 288 00:23:16.440 --> 00:23:21.960 That scene where they come in and take control of the bridge is really quite striking. 289 00:23:22.019 --> 00:23:30.960 And it's nice to see female villains who aren't Servolan or Z and Barr or Piri will come up to period a few seasons time. 290 00:23:31.019 --> 00:23:40.079 They do look slightly 70s glam, like we were saying, like the Mavellans, but it works, and the good performances just make them happen. 291 00:23:40.140 --> 00:23:43.500 But I think there's a nice balance between the 2 actresses. 292 00:23:43.559 --> 00:23:44.700 They're doing the same thing. 293 00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:45.720 They're on the same page. 294 00:23:45.779 --> 00:23:48.720 So they feel like they're part of a whole. 295 00:23:48.779 --> 00:23:54.720 Zen changes the lighting to green when they come into the flight deck as well, to make them more sinister, doesn't he? 296 00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:57.539 He's got a sense of the dramatic. 297 00:23:58.920 --> 00:24:03.420 One of them walks in and they're just sort of staring at the bridge. 298 00:24:03.420 --> 00:24:12.059 And I think there's like a little sound from Aurak, and she, ever so slightly changes her aspect, and I thought that was really well done. 299 00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:12.900 I was like what is this? 300 00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:21.180 Well, you should have paid attention because he was responsible for your downfall. kind of one machine responding to the other, isn't it? 301 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:22.140 Yeah. 302 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:32.640 Speaking of downfall, my favourite bit of this episode is where the 2 guards that are probably more incompetent federation guards, get their grenades. 303 00:24:32.700 --> 00:24:39.180 Open them up. get Cali beams them back and then they sort of go, oh, shit, what do I do? 304 00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:44.940 throws them at the main character at the main system. 305 00:24:45.299 --> 00:24:49.200 They explode and doesn't seem to damage anything. 306 00:24:50.400 --> 00:24:52.019 It's great. 307 00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:53.220 I love that. 308 00:24:53.339 --> 00:24:57.059 That lovely bit of teleport jeopardy straight back. 309 00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:05.700 And off they go and they're using their means against them and just lots and lots of panic and yeah, it's really exciting stuff. 310 00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:08.099 I like how they kind of do a double take. 311 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:11.819 And see they're back on Space World and then throw them anyway. 312 00:25:13.019 --> 00:25:15.480 Well, they had to throw it away. 313 00:25:15.539 --> 00:25:17.759 If they kept holding them, they would have been blown up much better. 314 00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:18.119 Well, true. 315 00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:19.440 Cassia gets blown up. 316 00:25:20.220 --> 00:25:34.980 I think that scene actually wouldn't have happened in series A, and it's indicative of where the series is gone and why it's now the series that I love, because series A was, with the best will in the world, a little bit too pothace to have a scene like that. 317 00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:39.240 Whereas Terry Nation, the writer, has clearly thought it through. 318 00:25:39.299 --> 00:25:41.220 He thought, okay, they're leaving Space World. 319 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:42.720 They're going to try and teleport aboard. 320 00:25:42.779 --> 00:25:44.099 And so he's put all that in. it works. 321 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:47.160 But six-year-old me, who was watching that scene. 322 00:25:47.220 --> 00:25:51.660 With the guards teleporting aboard and Gan and Kelly running in to teleport them back. 323 00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:53.039 I loved it. 324 00:25:53.099 --> 00:25:56.940 It was the most exciting thing in the world at the end of the episode. 325 00:25:57.000 --> 00:25:58.619 And it's kind of, it's fun. 326 00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:03.660 And it's exciting and it's good thinking from the crew and the whole thing just worked. 327 00:26:03.779 --> 00:26:07.140 Peter, I've just realised who you mean by space Cassia. 328 00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:14.640 Uh, keeper of track into uh, redemption. 329 00:26:14.700 --> 00:26:15.779 Yeah, sorry. 330 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:17.339 L to one and L to 2. 331 00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:18.900 SpaceCas here in SpaceCas. 332 00:26:19.019 --> 00:26:19.859 Space Better. 333 00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:25.200 And then, of course, there's space, the minor from the Green Death as well. 334 00:26:25.259 --> 00:26:34.259 Oh, yeah, our exposition slave who is just there to tell you the history of Space World and then die, basically. 335 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:38.880 I'll stay behind to die. 336 00:26:41.940 --> 00:26:43.859 Let me close this door and die. 337 00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:55.920 I mean, it sort of worked because Roy Evans is really good and he looks so tired and worn down and unwell by the work he's doing. 338 00:26:55.980 --> 00:27:07.440 So it's a lovely performance, but he doesn't really get a great deal to do other than tell Blake what he needs to know about Spaceworld and fill in a little bit of backstory. 339 00:27:07.500 --> 00:27:15.000 What about that scene where they're escaping and Blake grabs the the painstick. 340 00:27:15.059 --> 00:27:23.160 He just turns it up to Max and kills the guard. and then just calmly kills some space better as well. 341 00:27:23.220 --> 00:27:25.500 It's just cold blooded killing. 342 00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:36.599 Well, we talked about this last series with Missions Destiny, where he puts that charge on the airlock and blows up an entire ship and all its occupants and looks really pleased with himself when he does. 343 00:27:36.660 --> 00:27:37.680 He's a psychopath. 344 00:27:40.740 --> 00:27:43.440 It would be nicer to see more of that, actually. 345 00:27:43.500 --> 00:27:45.299 It would have made the character more engaging. 346 00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:54.900 That's a really interesting point because you kind of feel that Avon is the psychopath just because he has the quick dialogue and the wit and all this stuff. 347 00:27:54.960 --> 00:28:02.160 But it feels like with Blake, it's almost a mistake that they're doing it. or they're just not picking about it. 348 00:28:02.220 --> 00:28:06.779 It's like, because they don't make enough of it. being a thing. 349 00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:09.240 It's like Blake. that's what I mean. 350 00:28:09.299 --> 00:28:10.619 Yeah. 351 00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:21.839 Si, when we caught up the other day, we were talking about Chernobyl. 352 00:28:21.900 --> 00:28:28.980 We were, you had an interesting story to talk to around the location work for this episode. 353 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:29.579 Yes. 354 00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:51.900 We're back at Oldbury Power Station, last scene in everyone's favourite series, A, episode Time Squad, and I think we can all agree that Vier Lorimer perhaps gets a better use and more dynamic shots out of the location than our lovely old friend Pennant Roberts did in Time Squad. 355 00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:56.460 I think it's a really good choice of location. 356 00:28:56.519 --> 00:29:03.420 They sort of add a bit of set dressing to make it look like it belongs to Spaceworld. 357 00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:28.680 So you've got lots of bits of the set, pasted around the walls, which looks brilliant, and lots and lots of explosions in a nuclear power plant. which led to Jan Chappell's sort of favour story of having a clause put into her contract after this episode saying, after this, I will not be filming in nuclear power plants again. 358 00:29:30.180 --> 00:29:32.160 You can understand it. 359 00:29:32.220 --> 00:29:41.880 They're letting off some big explosions, particularly with the big orange smoke, which is toxic anyway in a confined and dangerous condition. 360 00:29:41.940 --> 00:29:43.980 But I think it works really well. 361 00:29:44.039 --> 00:30:02.759 And because they've got such high areas, there's lots of levels and you get that fantastic stump fall with the guard tumbling off the top tier down to the ground when Blake's doing his little bit of fighting, that's one, again, a really dynamic and exciting scene. 362 00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:33.779 And also, I think one of my little favourite scenes, and it's a tiny, it's a sort of almost minute and a half scene, just of Blake, Avon, and Jenna walking with the altars and the guards with Dudley Simpsons Federation March playing in the background, but they're all looking around and they're all reacting differently, and it's, it's a really just a nice piece of direction from Via Lorimer, who I don't think we always give enough praise to. 363 00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:39.420 I think he adds some quite a dynamic episode, this one, and he keeps the pace going all the time. 364 00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:40.440 He's very good here. 365 00:30:40.500 --> 00:30:47.279 Yeah, I mean, he will direct some of the lesser episodes of the series, but he also directs some of the very best. 366 00:30:47.339 --> 00:30:50.400 The scale of the location makes it very epic, doesn't it? 367 00:30:50.460 --> 00:30:53.759 It's such a, that you're saying it's such a huge high thing. 368 00:30:53.819 --> 00:31:02.460 It reminded me of the pirate planet, the I don't know if it's the same location, but the scale of it, you know, just makes it seem really epic. 369 00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:07.980 And like you say, the bits where they're, they're running through it and the camera's moving as well and there's explosions going off around them. 370 00:31:08.099 --> 00:31:11.579 That look fantastic, like an action movie. really really good. 371 00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:13.859 And the fact that the whole cast is there as well. 372 00:31:13.980 --> 00:31:16.799 Yeah, that doesn't happen very often this year at all. 373 00:31:16.859 --> 00:31:23.160 Well, last year, it's attempted to take turns at going to the planet or being hijacked, didn't they? 374 00:31:23.220 --> 00:31:26.160 towards the end of the series, kind of notice that pattern, that's... 375 00:31:26.220 --> 00:31:28.019 It's your turn this week. 376 00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:30.240 Yeah, man, the teleport. 377 00:31:31.019 --> 00:31:33.480 Which button swipe breath? 378 00:31:33.539 --> 00:31:34.140 Oh, it doesn't matter. 379 00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:36.480 Because it's the 1st episode as well. 380 00:31:36.539 --> 00:31:40.859 It's really nice that everyone has got a good part to play in this episode. 381 00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:51.960 The focus really is on Blake Jenner and Avon as the big three, but Cali and Villa and Gan all get good moments as well, which is really good. 382 00:31:52.019 --> 00:32:01.920 So again, it's part of the continuing Terry Nation thing of giving everyone something to do, which we won't see a lot of this year. 383 00:32:01.980 --> 00:32:06.660 There's always a couple of characters who are sidelined while the others get on with things. 384 00:32:06.779 --> 00:32:09.660 So that's a really good thing for the start of the series. 385 00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:14.519 It's a much underrated aspect of Terry's writing, I think, especially for the series. 386 00:32:14.579 --> 00:32:24.059 In that he created all of these characters, and so he has an instinctive feel for how each character would react and what their contribution to a scene would be. 387 00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:27.480 So rarely in one of Terry's scripts does a character get left out. 388 00:32:27.539 --> 00:32:31.799 I do think that, you know, he fell a bit in love with the character of Avon. 389 00:32:31.859 --> 00:32:36.180 He saw Paul Darrow's portrayal of it and it really appealed to him, as, of course, it did to everybody else. 390 00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:40.019 And so he does focus in on Avon, but he doesn't forget the others. 391 00:32:40.019 --> 00:32:45.480 And he pairs up Avon and Jenner for the 1st time since, I'm thinking, Cygnus Alpha. 392 00:32:45.539 --> 00:32:51.720 Yeah, because they have a really fascinating dynamic between the 2 of them that he's picking back up on again. 393 00:32:51.779 --> 00:32:54.059 Yeah, and they work really well together. 394 00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:56.400 I think the actors spark off each other really well. 395 00:32:56.460 --> 00:33:02.460 So Jenna is the only character, I think, among the crew who, when it comes to Avon, gives as good as you get. 396 00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:10.259 Oh, without a doubt, the others kind of capitulates against him, but she will bite back at him and challenge him. 397 00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:14.160 She's always going to twinkle in her eye when she does it as well, which is fantastic. 398 00:33:14.220 --> 00:33:28.680 Yeah, I think it's like Nathan says, there's always that bit of, from Sally Nevette of the smile as she says something that's a bit catty or the not quite believing in all of this, but that works for Jenna. 399 00:33:28.740 --> 00:33:31.319 She's yeah, she's really, she's still really strong here. 400 00:33:31.380 --> 00:33:39.299 I think we do see in this episode the start maybe of a little bit of agency being taken away from Jenner and Callie in particular. 401 00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:40.680 We'll see it through this season. 402 00:33:40.740 --> 00:33:47.819 I mean, they're still great characters, and I think that the performances are still really strong and they suggest a lot through their performances. 403 00:33:47.880 --> 00:34:02.099 But I just noticed that in this episode, they're much more reactive than they were last season rather than being proactive, and so you get a lot of Jenna and Kelly asking questions of Blake and Avon rather than coming to the conclusions to themselves. 404 00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:07.799 And it's not particularly noticeable, but I did notice it a couple of times in this episode, and I think it's a shame. 405 00:34:07.859 --> 00:34:15.659 But like I said, they just, they absolutely elevate the characters with just their, their likeability and the competence of the performances. 406 00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:26.219 I did wonder with Callie, when she uses the Tannoi to try and raise Gan, could she not have just psychically called him and then she would have made me more idea what was going on with him? 407 00:34:26.340 --> 00:34:26.880 Definitely. 408 00:34:26.940 --> 00:34:28.739 I think sometimes they get. 409 00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:32.219 Sometimes they forget that the character has those powers. 410 00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:35.460 And sometimes, you know, they're not sure how the powers work. 411 00:34:37.019 --> 00:34:44.519 Maybe her new perm had dampened her powers. experience. 412 00:34:45.059 --> 00:34:48.239 And how do you pronounce inherent? 413 00:34:48.300 --> 00:34:50.519 Inherent, inherent. 414 00:34:50.579 --> 00:34:52.500 Avon says inherent, doesn't he? 415 00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:54.900 Well, he is ever so posh. 416 00:34:56.099 --> 00:34:59.940 Is that do you all pronounce it like that down south? 417 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:01.079 Is it me that's wrong? 418 00:35:01.139 --> 00:35:03.900 No, depends how south you're talking. 419 00:35:05.099 --> 00:35:07.139 Southern Hemisphere. 420 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:09.840 I can't do an Australian accents, I wouldn't know. 421 00:35:12.900 --> 00:35:17.039 Okay, folks, any other thoughts on redemption? 422 00:35:17.099 --> 00:35:26.940 In the future, why do people build such unhelpful computers that just give you pieces of information and clues and then refuse to elaborate or give you enough information to actually help you? 423 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:28.619 Well, computers can be awkward. 424 00:35:28.619 --> 00:35:36.840 That they actively withhold things that they know, just, just seems like a, maybe a bit of a design cul-de-sac for computers. 425 00:35:36.900 --> 00:35:38.280 Part of their evil plan. 426 00:35:40.260 --> 00:35:43.800 Computers are going to come out on top at the end of lake seven. 427 00:35:43.860 --> 00:35:44.460 That's my prediction. 428 00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:50.280 Space Betan and Space Cassia pointing the way. 429 00:35:51.300 --> 00:35:54.539 I just think this is this is a really great episode. 430 00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:58.559 It's a step up in every way from last season. 431 00:35:58.619 --> 00:36:04.380 I mean, last season, as I said, did have individually very good episodes, but everything just hits the mark here. 432 00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:06.840 It's well mounted, it's tense. 433 00:36:06.900 --> 00:36:13.199 It's sprinkled with good dialogue, that that bit, which closes in on Avon, where he's talking about the liberation rejecting them. 434 00:36:13.260 --> 00:36:14.880 And he says, we are the cause. 435 00:36:14.940 --> 00:36:16.079 It is rejecting us. 436 00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:19.860 It's just such a terribly dramatic moment in the story. 437 00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:21.900 It just totally works for me. 438 00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:24.659 Yeah, it's an assured start. 439 00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:27.840 It's confident and fun and colourful. 440 00:36:27.900 --> 00:36:30.719 They've worked out how to make the show. 441 00:36:30.780 --> 00:36:34.199 They've worked out how to make the show better, sort of between the seasons. 442 00:36:34.260 --> 00:36:44.880 I'm sure David Maloney in an interview somewhere said sort of looking after series A at series B. We wanted to put the money on the screen. 443 00:36:44.940 --> 00:36:51.900 So you give more money to costumes and to sets to make sure that you're showing what you're what you're paying for. 444 00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:56.639 And I think that really pays off in this episode and through a lot of this series. 445 00:36:56.699 --> 00:37:02.579 And of course, they've got a full rack of teleport bracelets now, which, you know, just makes my fanboy heart sing. 446 00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:07.980 Yeah, I think they were down to about 4 at the end of series A, weren't they? 447 00:37:08.099 --> 00:37:11.219 They got the cardboard of scissors out again. 448 00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:16.139 That seems to start where Jenna and Callia are sort of working in the teleport bay. 449 00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:20.400 Do you think we're meant to take from that, that they've just built these new teleport bracelets. 450 00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:22.920 Because Kelly's got her little probe and she's doing something to them. 451 00:37:22.980 --> 00:37:28.679 I think they'd seen the feature on blue pizza where you could make them our cardboard thing very quickly. 452 00:37:28.739 --> 00:37:32.099 So yeah, they just run a few up in between the series. 453 00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:41.159 Isn't there an anecdote about that that like the Blue Peter ones were better than the ones that were made for the series? 454 00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:50.400 Jan Chappel tells the story that she got a letter, I'm asking for a teleport bracelet prop, and so she asked one of the prop guys, and they said yes, and gave her one. 455 00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:52.980 And when she was filling out the return address. 456 00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:56.519 She noted that it was to someone who was in prison and appreciated the joke. 457 00:37:58.019 --> 00:38:00.000 That's brilliant. 458 00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:13.980 Great, well, that's it for this week's episode Redemption. 459 00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:16.380 Join us next time for Shadow. 460 00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:17.820 Thank you very much for listening and goodbye. 461 00:38:18.539 --> 00:38:19.980 Bye. 462 00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:22.079 Destruct, destruct. 463 00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:23.579 Destruct. 464 00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:35.579 Switching to manual. 465 00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:37.500 Maximum power on all drives. 466 00:38:40.619 --> 00:38:42.539 Maximum power.